#person a and b and c quotes

[write-it-motherfuckers]

Person A: “It is just me? Or do all the monsters we’ve faced so far, seem a little too weak for what we were warned we were originally going to have to fight against?”

Person B: “No I noticed it too, we should have faced creatures much stronger than these by this point. It’s almost like all the strongest ones just up and disappeared... You didn’t happen to tell anyone else where we were going by any chance, did you?”

Person A: “Just (Person C), it was the only way I could get them to let me go on a quest with just the two of us, given how overprotective they are.”

Person B: “...Nevermind, I’m pretty sure I understand what happened now.”

#write-it-motherfuckers #writing prompt #writing prompts #writing #prompt #story prompt #story prompts #story #prompts #my prompt #original #random #imagine #story time motherfucker #dialogue #dialogue prompt #person a and person b #incorrect quotes #incorrect quote #yes the implication is that C cleared out all the biggest threats long before A and B even arrived. so that they wouldn't get hurt #You all know my love for unhinged overprotective and overpowered characters. But as always the tags are only ever a suggestion #supernatural #magic #fantasy #monster #action #overprotective #protective #creepy #trope

[incorrectfatm]

isa: you fainted, do you remember anything?

rob: only the ambulance ride

isa: that wasn’t an ambulance, i drove you

rob: but i heard a siren?

isa: that was florence

flo: sorry i got nervous

#florence + the machine #fatm #florence and the machine #f+tm #florence welch #incorrect fatm #florence #isabella summers #incorrect #incorrect quotes #rob ackroyd #quotes #person a person b person c

[starlooove]

Perfecting character voices is so lost rn

#this is why y’all write Damian the way you do btw #and anyone btw #like y’all just #Idk how to explain it #vocal equivalent of tim is the smart one Dick is the funny one Jason is the mean one etc. #you cant actually get to know them so you overshoot in their characterizations and I’d say make caricatures of themselves but tbh you just #create new ppl that never existed #and that’s not right either bc it’s not creating smth new #these are incorrect quotes person a b c fanart tropes y’all slap onto the character instead of other way around #when you say “’eldest sister syndrome’ can sum up an entire character I think we’re lost #but yeah that’s the equivalent of like #sure Jason cusses and Damian is formal but they’re both using therapy speech top 10 vines and bad AAVE #like be so fr

[master-gatherer]

Oh good, the werewolf scientists are on the case.

#this is that same vampire magazine as yesterday #like... yall....... #i hate to say it and wish it werent so #but werewolves arent real 😢 #they can do whatever b/c we made them up #this specific article is like a werewolf vs vampire thing #but this is like taking 'who would win: superman or vegeta?' way too seriously and getting honest odds from vegas #the person quoted is a paranormal investigator #like..... at least ghosts maybe exist #but werewolves definitely dont #at least go hunt some bigfeets

[bang-bang-gang]

just wanted to say, if you're mildly interested in speedball mike bailey but don't really get what their Deal is: watch his BOSJ mini-vlogs! he's doing daily vlogs on youtube and all are under 15 minutes. his vlogging style is completely out of character, discussing his matches and what he liked about them, life as a wrestler in japan, and occasional cameos from other wrestlers!

#every day i think oh i WILL gif this quote i like b/c i know people are more willing to look at a gif than watch a vid #but between thesis writing and totk i don't have the spoons to open photoshop rip #mike bailey #speedball mike bailey #im personally not a fan of the match highlights they put in their normal vids and skip through those #but thankfully theyre brief in the mini vlogs and they only share what njpw is already posting on social media

[nellienelsonspring]

i love imogen but you guys gotta stop replacing tara with her in your fics

#when you see literal plotlines+ quotes from tara put into imogen's mouth... and its like why are yall so keen on this #it just smells mega funky #A. stop eliminating Tara's importance in the story. particularly nick's story and his friendships+coming out #B. just make imogen her own person? let her be an individual character with her own motivations and backstory? #C. also can we just validate that nick wasn't attracted to imogen? and thats not bc she's not gorgeous or kind etc? #its normal for bisexual people to not be attracted to literally everyone?? and its kinda incredibly biphobic to assume that we are #or that not being attracted to everyone makes us not bisexual #heartstopper

[e-b-reads]

...every conversation for the next three years was about how it must be a big change being in Oxford after working on the fells each day. I had a good evening talking to [a professor] and at the end he said, 'Oh well, I imagine you will miss it.' I told him that I hadn't stopped doing it, that I was going back. He seemed quite confused by this.

- The Shepherd's Life, James Rebanks

#the shepherd's life #james rebanks #this quote is a little more personal b/c tho my dichotomy is not as extreme as his #there is a general assumption when i'm in my phd classes that we are all going to eventually quit our day jobs and go into academia #and i want to finish my phd and then go open an outdoor school or something similar and work outside the rest of my life #which is not what ppl expect

[unproduciblesmackdown]

ppl will be explaining how a difference is a difference & not a Deviation from a Superior state, & people who are the ones considered Default Normal (superior) will be like "okay....to be polite....i Might say i consider Some aspects of Some people's existence mere 'difference' & not being less than me...." as like hey i'm a Benevolent god. i still actually get to consider you worse & don't have to "humor" anything that challenges my superiority. if you only want everything to fit into the norm then it will all come back to upholding the norm. thinking of people's analysis of their own realities as equally legimate as being like Obscure, Irrelevant, Superficial & then using that reasoning to justify dismissing them. same as worrying that the [Different Lessers (Others(tm))] as Everywhere = a manifestation of the awareness that, yeah, respecting them as equals Does threaten your norm which is smothering everything everywhere. ppl who need to lock in the idea of Borders around personhood like um Yes they're all delineated separate Identities outside any hierarchy & so i think it's relevant to for some reason push back against "ohh so now Everyone's queer" like why not. why couldn't they be. what if they were. what if queerness was everywhere b/c it's ideological not a cordoned off Alternative Identity that is accommodated by focusing on Love(tm) as the new border around whose existence we might begrudgingly accept at arm's length (i.e. being otherwise "normal"! just imagine swapping out the binary gender (or, deep breath, presumed Private Parts) of one partner in an exclusive romantic lifelong nuclear family marriage, & that is Gay / Trans Rights. still gross but maybe we can do it, as long as they don't talk about it or shove it in our faces or even exist for more than one encounter w/us in our lives b/c what are the odds). evergreen laughing at someone suggesting ableist logic might be embedded in language of past & present b/c it's just So little to ask for that it's irrelevant but it's also So much to ask for that of course i'm not gonna do anything more than pass it along like "this is why i don't take ableism seriously" like yeah it's the disabled randos like it's the individual cringe teens(tm) ruining [the cishets would take Gender seriously otherwise!!!] & that's why you won't think about it or do anything about it & continue being comfortable with the norm & resent that actually their Difference is Less & disability is something worse that ppl "excuse" & all these ways that people are & all these things that they do are funny & weird & inexplicable & etc & one can't possibly be cruising along perpetuating a hierarchy with a sense that you're reasonable, well meaning, kind, etc etc & thus Justified, systemic oppression definitely wants to maximize how uncomfortable & arduous it feels to everyone rather than push to make it more streamlined & rewarding to embrace, or at least accept, whatever superiority over others you're afforded

#circled around to lovelessness as a lens there. so long as one was loving. so long as one wasn't consciously malicious #really just mask off about keeping the same perspective of Superiority when conflating disability & ppl ''making excuses'' #same as like e.g. that ppl consider everything an autistic person does as being Bad / Wrong / Worse. (this includes ''unskilled''!!!) #(crushing the Social Skills(tm) framework in talking abt allistic difference in my fist) #such that they think sm1 saying Autistic!! is then something they might be unfairly Beholden to to Put Up With their Wrongness #at special times in special scenarios....rather than like in some contexts you are no more ''right'' than the other party #different groups & cultures whose Norms Standards & Expectations could render You presumed rude thoughtless pushy etc #obvious overlaps to consider re: the Norms of like english speaking as ''universal'' someone noticeably speaking it as nth language? #time to Presume their ideas & contributions are Less. if they had the good brain like you their fluency would render their linguistic #Wrongness in having a diff 1st language invisible thus irrelevant. like the ''ideal'' for disability! as the ''ideal'' for anyone Passing #in any way! queer ppl surely all want to be as proximate to cishet ideals (just as cishet ppl should!) nonwhite ppl to Ideal White #women's rights = Proving they're As Good As men. ladies you're using too many exclamation points!! be Confident be Pushier!! #but ofc nobody actually wants the Others(tm) to be Equal. they're just saying ''it's your innate Wrongness that means you Aren't'' #the ableism logic in everything. men just Are better at xyz. oh we Can abuse autists...into being as proximate to allistic as possible!! #just actually means ''oh we Can abuse autists.'' the ''correctness'' is your Difference ''intruding'' less into allistic existence #force you to be harmed & diminished all day then save your meltdowns for when you're alone & out of the way #ppl's tweets like ''when ppl say 'omg too sensitive ofc i wasn't talking abt disabled ppl!' like yeah no shit b/c you never think of #disabled ppl'' like yeah most people idk aren't making their life's agenda to stop everyone from saying Stupid #but like believe me people organically sense the Vintage R words when you get called Idiot in exactly the same spirit & purpose #i mean that's so rworded as in that's so gay!! cmon!! & it's fine if you don't say either to gay ppl or. or. [insert the office quote] #oh i don't call um 20th c disabled ppl morons it's bad taste!! but b/c i use it Figuratively in the present it's fine it's so Different #fr i can't remember like. an article w/1 matter of fact sentence from a doctor using a [now Just a childish insult!!] as Diagnostic Label #for someone's disability & it still registered like ice water in the face. presumably no ''especial'' Malice just matter of fact! #it wasn't ''idiot'' it may have been ''moron'' fr. the vintage ''factual'' r word is There plain as day #like yeah ofc the ableism gets channeled into alternate language. & then complaints abt that is like UGH CMON!!! #like idk shouldn't you be fine using the R word then too? not really sweating this issue thee most all thee time either but like #it's not sooo funny even if someone seems pressed extensively abt it. not that hard to in fact just not use all these words all the time #ppl will be throwing out their ableism w/o Any labels talking about how Weird Offputting Etc someone acts so you can Tell they're bad.... #and yeah you should think abt that. anytime. the [difference used to categorize ''other'' is Just difference] Is Everywhere All The Time #the idea it can & should be ''contained'' for especial limited specific occasions (when you're feeling Nice!) = upholding the status quo

[troublewithvampires]

@bxtsence said: ( humor )

(childhood memories - open)

humor - a joke from my muse's childhood

Salvatore grins, flashing his fangs. "You want a joke?" he drawls. "Well, I got one." He holds his hands up, clawed fingers gesturing for emphasis as he speaks.

"Ya' ever hear what the politician said when he had to make a decision?" A deliberate pause. "'I'll double-cross that bridge when I get to it!'" The joke has Salvatore snickering to himself, clearly delighted.

#❝ i'll talk your ear off‚ kid ❞ 「 answered 」 #❝ take it from old sally two shoes‚ kid ❞ 「 in character 」 #bxtsence #//trying my hand at icons with sal's just-for-fun faceclaim #//not sure how i feel about this tbh but y'know what! not the worst i suppose #//still not planning to use them regularly b/c for me personally using them doesn't add enough to the experience #//to justify the stress of making a bunch of em #//but. sometimes. just for fun. #//time to be a nerd real quick #//salvatore is misquoting a quote often attributed to oscar levant #//oscar levant being a famous musician; talk show host; actor; and comedian from salvatore's childhood #//sal's a bit too young to remember much from levant's heyday #//but here sal is referencing a quote from oscar levant's autobiography published in the 1960s #//love doing very brief history research just for sally

[sebnameyourcar]

sometimes i fear i have curated my online experience too much. i never have any idea what is happening

#that’s why i was so shocked that someone quote unquote important replied to me today i’m like o.O this is not my diary? #anyway. heard that some ‘fans’ were being genuinely horrible to other fans. grow tf up?? #if you need to vent a) don’t tag b) don’t make it personal and c) don’t insult innocent fans wtf? #anyway again. i am too tired / sunburnt / hungry to be coherent right now. can everyone calm down

[truly-quirkless]

"Am I male? Am I female?"

"It doesn't matter because everyone finds me hot and that makes everyone gay-"

#Can’t drag me under/Too long I’ve been on the run || Finley Well #//yes they realize only one (1) person finds them hot #//and even that they find odd b/c they'd think they aren't but- a'ighty #//and yes I do love this quote XD

[incorrectfatm]

rob: so flo, when did you get your driver’s license?

flo: my what?

isa: i need to get out of this car

#florence + the machine #fatm #florence and the machine #f+tm #florence welch #incorrect fatm #florence #incorrect #incorrect quotes #isabella summers #rob ackroyd #person a person b person c #isa machine

[vrmxlho]

ahh i feel the same!! my whole family comes from croatia and we often go down for holidays, but only during summer. until then i'm literally freezing my ass off 😭

hadhjhdj the way i get that- i've been procrastinating my skincare for some time, like i do it every second evening or smth and my skin is breaking out again LIKE- STOP BEING AN IDIOT

but i'm just being lazy and yeah :(

lmao i don't mind, i can tell you more about the drama in future, cuz we literally have a whole lore page and so many screenshots, it ain't normal. and i've known this person like,,, a bit over a year now?

and your former best friend sounds like a bitch, i'm so glad and proud that you cut her off. i know this is super hard, especially when you don't wanna upset the people around you (which isn't even the one who fucking has the drama with you)

yeah that's so true!! i'm doing so much better now that i've cut them off and only after i did that, i actually realized how bad they were for me and i'm just very glad the whole thing is behind me

and this is so true!! i love listening to drama but i don't wanna be involved LMAO

OMG CROATIA IS SO SO GORGEOUS i'm sure you've heard this before many times but i genuinely love croatia so so much. zagreb, pula, porec are like the only three places i've been to but they were so beautiful.

also so real with the skincare, i do not want to admit how many times i've skipped showering cuz i'm too lazy to take my fucking clothes off like girl you stink bffr 😭 i remember when i was younger my cousin convinced me to stop brushing my teeth w him cuz "animals don't brush their teeth" spoiler that was so fucking dumb

THE FUCKING LORE PAGES THAT'S SO FUNNY HELP 😭 my friend had a meme account on insta back when we were still friends w that bitch where we just made horrible memes of her and that was our way of coping.

i have so much drama from uni cuz i have friends in other unis who tell us everything since we don't go to the same uni as them and we can't like tell on them ig??? it's actually wild +++ also from high school cuz i went to school w these insanely rich kids (not saying i'm not as well) but they were like actual aristocrats/royalty and they were actually insane

#there's this stupid ass quote that goes "weak people discuss people #something like that #but thats so fucking stupid cuz a) nobody talks about the same things all the time #you can discuss multiple things/types of things #i can gossip now and then discuss the illusion of free will in 5 mins so that makes no sense #b) nobody can agree on who actually said it #so is it even a real quote or is some spiteful person just spewing bullshit to feel smarter than others? #c) our languages evolved from our nature to discuss other people i.e. gossip #so what i'm saying is #gossiping>>>>>>> #(<3) – anon

[me-writes-prompts]

-:“You’re so oblivious to my feelings and I can’t stand it anymore” Oblivious x Pining prompts:-

(OK BUT THE LAST ONE????????TAG MEEEEEE IF YOU WRITE IT FUCKKKKK)

By @me-writes-prompts

Dropping subtle hints such as lingering touches and a bit too long of an eye contact, but the one doesn't seem to notice it at all.

Person C asking Person A if they are in love with Person B, but Person A having to deny because they aren't ready to face their feelings for them just yet.

"What the hell was back there?" "What?" "Why were you glaring at my date like you wanted to murder them?" "No, I wasn't." "Do not try to deny it, you clearly were." "...I-" "Why?" "No reason."

"You like them, don't you?" "I-...no. Possibly. Maybe. Fine, yes." "Hmm, why don't you tell them?" "I can't, I don't want to ruin what we have for what I wish to have. They wouldn't. They could never like me back like that."

"I wish you knew just how much I liked you, you idiot." They think as they console their friend who has gone through yet another break up.

"I...I'm not worth of their admiration, their love. They don't like me back, [name]." "I'm sure someone out their loves you, admires you, and wants to be with you. You are worth everything and do not let anyone else tell you otherwise." "Do you really think there is a person out there who would like me for who I am?" "Yes. They could be anywhere and everywhere. They could be in front of you. You just have to see them. Feel their love and devotion."

Person A and B going out to an amusement with the same matching outfit, and people keep asking if they are a couple to which Person A denies and says they are "just friends". Person B can't it, and decide to leave them.

^^"Why did you leave me like that back there?" "Because." "Because, what?" "Because, your dumbass can't figure out how much it hurts me when you say that we're "just friends." "Why...why would you be hurting?" "Because I like you! I have feelings for you, and you won't stop stomping on them." "Oh, I..."

"What was that idiot doing back there? Flirting with you like the world was ending, tch." "Huh, and why would you care of all people? I mean, it's not like we're together, right? Because you said it, quote unquote that 'We would never be anything more than friends. We're just really close and make out sometimes as friends. Nothing more, of course." *TAKES DEEP BREATHS* (sad music from a broken radio suddenly plays in the background while they stare at each other)

#me-writes-prompts #writers on tumblr #prompt list #writeblr #imagine your otp #otp prompts #otp writing #writing prompts #otp #story prompt #dialogue prompts #otp meme #otp tropes #pining #creative writing #writing inspiration #romance prompts #love prompts #enemies to lovers #scenerios #friends to lovers #best friends to lovers #angst prompts #angst #writing ideas #strangers to lovers #fluff prompts #fluff #writing

[carriesthewind]

Good evening everyone! As I said in an answer to a previous ask, there wasn't a public call-in line to listen to the Show Cause Hearing in Mata v Avianca (the ChatGBT lawyer case) today.

However, while we are waiting for a transcript of the hearing (because there was a court reporter! yay!) and a written decision by the judge, we did get this absolutely anxiety-inducing live tweet of the hearing:

(Caveat: this thread was not an official transcript of the hearing and should not be taken as such. It is possible the actual events and statements made in the hearing differ significantly from this report - i.e., take this with a grain of salt and reserve final judgement for the actual transcript.)

I'll put the full thread with some (light) commentary below the cut.* But the overall impression I am left with is that the judge seems to feel this pair of attorneys are treating their duty of candor toward the tribunal with the same seriousness with which they are treating their duty of competence to their clients. (And in this case, that's a very bad thing.)

*The full thread except for a soon-to-follow part 2 because I ran out of space for images again.

(All of the following screenshots are from the above tweet thread by Inner City Press @ innercitypress on twitter, made on June 8, 2023.)

Normally I would overlook that "you, personally," but in this case, you really get the feeling that the judge is concerned that LoDuca might just start talking about what Schwartz did again.

Establishing LoDuca's base of knowledge - he should know how to look up cases and check if they are real; he should know what a real case looks like.

The March 1 submission was the plaintiff's opposition to the motion to dismiss, where they first cited the fake cases.

How bad this answer is depends, I think, on LoDuca's wording here. Best case scenario, his statement about Schwartz was a specific statement about what inquiry was reasonable for him to do under the circumstances (which - for that first filing - I think is actually a reasonable argument. You don't expect your colleague to just make up cases). Worst case, this reads like him trying to wiggle out of his obligations. I will withhold judgement until I see the official transcript.

Rule 11, by the way, refers to Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. Rule 11(b) states:

(If you remember the Order to Show Cause, we are dealing with a Rule 11(b)(2) issue here. Rule 11(c) allows the court to impose sanctions for violations of Rule 11(b))

Oh no, bad answer. (If anyone reading this is good at photoshop, I cannot express how badly I want a version of the "this sign can't stop me because I can't read" meme with the sign being the quote from defendant's reply where they say, "The undersigned has not been able to locate this case by caption or citation, nor any case bearing any resemblance to it.")

Oh that is not a good way of characterizing those orders. (Those were the orders, remember, where the Court said, "By April 18, 2022, Peter LoDuca, counsel of record for plaintiff, shall file an affidavit annexing copies of the following cases cited in his submission to this Court: as set forth herein. Failure to comply will result in dismissal of the action pursuant to Rule 41 (b), Fed. R. Civ. P.")

I would simply perish on the spot.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention in my original attempted summary of "Varghese" - the first paragraph states that it is a wrongful death suit by the widow of the passenger. Then the second paragraph states that the passenger was denied boarding on a flight due to overbooking and thus missed his connecting flight and therefore incurred additional expenses. The case was such nonsense that I legitimately forgot about that inconsistency by the time I got to the end.

Your honor I plead "2 stupid 2 sanction."

(I believe the "different fonts" is in reference to the April 25 affidavit, in which the case names - and some of the surrounding text - are in a different font from most of the text in the affidavit. It seems like this is because they may have been copied straight from ChatGPT. See e.g., #3 below. It's hard to tell just based on this twitter thread, though.)

A short and simple answer! You did it!

"I have all the answers I need" is not a good sentence in this context.

Very genuinely: shorter is better here. At least I don't think he hurt himself with that statement.

Judge Castel: How do you conduct legal research?

Schwartz: I research cases.

Judge Castel: Do you read them?

Schwartz: Well, I may have once upon a time, but after hearing you ask that question in this context, I have decided to retire from the practice of law forever and also possibly sink into the ground and die. Also, by answering "yes," here, I just realized that I'm either admitting that I read the cases I submitted and therefore must have known they were fake, or else I just possibly committed perjury. Oh shit oh fuck.

Oh god I'm cringing myself into a pretzel just reading this.

Hey, by the way? You can actually use google (esp. google scholar) to do legal research. (It's not a good tool and you will miss things, but it will do in a pinch.) But. Um. If you know that...why didn't you double check your cases at very least on google when you were told they seemed to be made up?

So, once again, I am going to withhold judgement until I see the actual transcript. That said, if Schwartz did say this, I would like to compare it briefly to a part of the chat transcript he provided to the court. Here is the first question asked about the Montreal Convention in the provided transcript:

"analysis"

Oh god. I can't even provide commentary on this one. I hope this is worse than the actual transcript will prove to be. I'm reading through my fingers like I'm watching a horror movie.

"Misperception" (or "misconception") doesn't work once you have evidence that should cause you to doubt - like not being able to find a case that was supposedly published in the Federal fucking Reporter.

This is overshooting "2 stupid 2 sanction" into "too stupid to function."* You either looked for "Varghese" or you didn't. If you looked for "Varghese," it is not credible that you continued to have a good faith assumption that ChatGPT couldn't lie. If you didn't look up "Varghese," you just lied to the Court under oath.

*Just to be clear: for an ordinary person, this would be a very understandable lack of knowledge issue. A lawyer has no excuse not to know this.

Judge Castel: Mr. Schwartz, I think you have the fucking audacity to try to lie to me to my face in my fucking courtroom.

Honestly at this point I'm surprised he could still talk. I think screaming, "I'm melting, I'm melting!" as he vanished into steam, leaving his crumpled suit behind, would be an appropriate response.

NO.

Oh no, oh honey.

Ok. Two options here (again, assuming he actually fucking said "They said they couldn't find them," in response to the Court asking, "When Avianca said you cited non existent cases?"):

Schwartz is once again trying to purposefully downplay what the defendant's reply brief actually said and dodge responsibility.

Schwartz honestly, truly believes that when the defendant filed a reply containing the line, "The undersigned has not been able to locate this case by caption or citation, nor any case bearing any resemblance to it," they were just asking for assistance with their legal research?!??!

I honestly don't know which is worse.

Oh no....

Oh man, I haven't gone over it here yet, but I think that "I looked up the judge" is a panicked attempt at bringing up a talking point the Professional Responsibility Lawyers raised in their memorandum of law. (Again, I'm giving this reading of his response with the caveat that it is based only on this thread, not the official transcript, which might read very differently and contain different/more info.) The Professional Responsibility attorneys noted in a footnote that two of the judges listed in the "opinion," including the "author," were actual 11th circuit judges, and the other is an actual 5th circuit judge. My read of this footnote was as an extra little detail tossed in by the Professional Responsibility attorneys to try to dress up their argument that the "opinions" had various "indicia of authenticity."

But here's the problem. If Schwartz is telling the truth - if he was reading carefully and critically enough that he bothered to look up the judge (why would you do that if you didn't think the case might be fake?!) there is no way he could have missed that the case was gibberish. Again, if this is really what he said at the hearing, he either lied in the hearing, or he must have know the "opinions" were bogus when he gave them to LoDuca to file.

"Did it cross your mind" - if the court actually said this, oh my god.

Hey, that's the point that I made in my original post(s)!

This whole thing about the "+h" to "th" with the notary date is from the recent affidavits filed on 6/6/23, you can read them about them if you want, I'll be honest, I don't really care as much about the notary stuff so I'm going to skip it for the moment.

....and I've run out of space for images again. Part II to follow shortly!

#ai bs #2 Stupid 2 Sanction

[sebsrainbowbicycle]

Whats your opinion on the whole Christian Horner thing?

Let me preface this by saying, I have intentionally stayed away from this subject for many reasons, but given there was an outcome of the investigation today, and some of the information I’ve seen here throughout the past weeks, now is as good a time as any to respond to this ask I got weeks ago. This is not, nor will I be offering in the future, my opinion on whether Horner is guilty of the accusations or not. I just want to maybe provide context, and information from my experience and career thus far, that might help people understand, and also my opinion on the reaction from people. Caveat - I am not a lawyer, nor will I go into specifics of my current or previous job, however I worked in the legal profession where I worked on legal cases, reviewed evidence, and made submissions and recommendations that went in front of Judges.

Okay my thoughts. My thoughts are that an internal investigation that should have remained private for all parties involved, especially the alleged victim(s), was leaked and used as clickbait and gossip by the media and people on here and other social media sites. I think people decided guilt without having any genuine information, without seeing the evidence and without any credible sources. I think were the person being accused a different member of the paddock that the reaction would have been different. I think people used this to virtue signal and cry out about what good people they are. I think people that constantly say that the media and journalists shouldn’t be trusted, fed into a feeding frenzy that led to the name of the alleged victim(s) being published, which will undoubtedly impact them for the rest of their lives.

Onto specific things I have seen that I’d like to offer my take on:

Christian allegedly offering the victim a sum of money - First of all, for anyone who has a certain amount of wealth, especially those in the public eye, this is a usual occurrence. You try to avoid an investigation by any means possible, whether you’re innocent or guilty, because a) it’s easier and usually cheaper in the long run, b) pr and public image are damaged by even unfounded accusations and these things can run on for an extremely long time, and c) trial by media is a thing, and innocent people get tarnished for the rest of their lives because of something they were accused of. Now, I’m not saying any of those are why the offer was allegedly made, but those are some of the reasons. Companies do the same thing, when someone has an accident at work and hurts themselves, even if the company do not believe themselves to be at fault they will make a settlement offer, to avoid any legal back and forth. Settlements are not an admission of guilt, but a way to make something go away quickly.

Said money being why the investigation “went away” - I saw a quote that said “the grievance has been dismissed”, that means there was a finding, not that it was withdrawn. even so, this was a red bull investigation carried out by an external barrister. Once the company were made aware of the allegations, their investigation is independent of either party involved, so even if the alleged victim(s) withdrew their grievance, the company would still have a duty of care to ensure that any inappropriate behaviour or actions were identified, investigated and addressed. Most importantly, red bull want to protect themselves legally, and following the procedures and carrying out a thorough investigation, which would identify if they were potentially exposed to risk, is how they do that.

How can they ignore 100’s of pieces of evidence - We don’t know that they did. It was reported, but never confirmed that there was over 100 pieces of evidence submitted, so this is absolute hearsay. Further, I would be extremely surprised if the investigation ignored any piece of evidence, given the ramifications of an incorrect or improper investigation. Also I think it’s really important to say that evidence does not equal guilt or that one party to the proceedings is correct. Allow me to provide you with a personal example. I worked on a case where there was over 5000 pages of evidence submitted into a legal bundle. Approximately 4000 of those were from the appellant who argued that the other party had acted incorrectly. (forgive my vagueness here I’m not about to doxx myself). 4000 pages of evidence, which I reviewed and made a decision that I did not support their argument. The judge agreed with me also. Evidence can be subjective, and sometimes it can be completely irrelevant. The presence, and submission of evidence is to support one sides view of things, the other side will have their own, and both are examined and balanced and decisions made on that and sometimes also on other independent investigation.

The investigation is private and cannot be shared - This is law. GDPR in fact because this is occurring within Europe. I’m literally spending this entire week on a GDPR course, and have an exam on Friday, so I really don’t want to go on about legal basis and restrictions for sharing personal data, but let me tell you it’s for good reason, especially with investigations like this. All parties involved in this have a legal right to privacy, covered by the human rights act, and unless there is a compelling legal reason why their data should be shared, then it can’t be without their explicit consent. Simple as. And that’s disregarding that there will be confidential company information within the investigation that also cannot be shared.

Horner committed a crime - given that we do not know the specifics of what occurred we simply don’t have enough information to know this, HOWEVER, from the information I have read, and by the fact that I have not seen an indication that the police have been involved with this, nor are they carrying out their own investigation, I am working under the assumption that no law has been broken.

tl;dr - These are real people’s lives, we are not involved and we have no right to know anything. This isn’t salacious gossip, and it’s not a fun thing to band around and use as a stick to beat people with to prove how good we are. Processes and investigations like this should be private, and basing things on hearsay and unscrupulous reporters does more damage to any alleged victims than good. Having seen how fans and social media have treated this investigation, do you think that makes any other alleged victims want to come forwards? I think not. But that’s just me.

#honestly I know some people are gonna think this is me publicly takkng a side but this is impartiality #because I don’t know the ins and outs of the case which is why I haven’t spoken on this before #people who know me know what side of the line I fall on #but this amount of misunderstanding wilful or not has been driving me insane #and how this has been treated like cheap gossip is frankly disgusting to me and some of you should be ashamed #ask #anon #Dee talks #Christian Horner