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sepublic · 5 months

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In lieu of my latest reblog about people taking compelling characters and projecting their writing onto some other (usually white) dude, I want to bring up a post I had drafted all the way back from April, but never posted because at the time I still had enough patience not to. But now is different. I do think this analysis is a bit outdated because it doesn’t consider the mediocre white dude angle of Belos that I find paramount, but it’s good enough for my repurposed point.

I find it funny when some people complain that the narrative was unfair to Belos despite his “trauma” and circumstances, like there aren’t multiple characters out there who parallel his issues, and get sympathy AND a redemption, in all but one case! Belos is narratively condemned not for what he has in common with others, but for what sets him apart, particularly his stubborn ego. Cases in point;

“Belos deserved to have sympathy for having an unhealthy attachment to his more confident sibling that was mixed with resentment over being abandoned for someone else, culminating in guilt over hurting them and regretting it!”

Lilith exists. She’s motivated by a massive inferiority complex with Eda, Gwen favors her. She’s clearly salty about Eda going off to have fun with Raine, and claims to Luz that she’s Eda’s ‘real’ family. She cursed her sister and felt enormous guilt over it… But in the end, Lilith IS given sympathy by the narrative, and the chance to redeem herself. And she takes just that.

A lot of the people claiming Belos deserved better theorize that stabbing Caleb was an accident, and you know what? So was the permanence of Eda’s curse, Lilith expected it to only last a day and certainly not transform her sister. But Lilith still owned up. And she learned to make other friends while respecting Eda’s boundaries.

“Belos was an orphan raised in a culture that encouraged genocide and a hatred of wild magic!”

Caleb exists, he went through the exact same childhood as Philip, but still chose to change. And while they weren’t orphans at the time, Hunter and the Collector were also raised on genocide, taught to find wild/Titan magic apprehensive. But they loved it instead.

“But Belos actually lost his brother, his loved one died!”

So did Hunter’s! And he was shown to be snappy and aggressive, pouring himself into a mission to cope! But he still owned up, apologized to Willow for rebuking her. He lost Flapjack, and instead of making replicas of his lost loved one to keep to himself, discarding anyone that wasn’t close enough, Hunter made a diverse array of palismen for other kids, to give them the loving relationship he lost! Even his own palisman was clearly carved to be different from Flapjack, reminiscent but still their own thing.

Then there’s Darius, who lost his mentor the previous Golden Guard; His own ‘Caleb’, so to speak! And he was also unpleasant about it, he took his grief out on Hunter, who had nothing to do with this! The canon audio diaries even confirm the apprehension has been going for a while… But Darius realized he was wrong to have projected onto Hunter, made up for this by practically adopting the kid and giving this kid the happy ending his mentor didn’t have; Passing the cycle of kindness the Golden Guard started. And his own grief is pointed out to the audience by Hunter himself.

“They should’ve shown how having a hero complex and a desire to live out a fantasy can corrupt anyone!”

Luz and the Collector. Luz herself makes these comparisons for Belos, and there were times where she hurt her friends trying to live out her fantasy, and/or planned to leave them under the impression she was doing the ‘right thing’. Luz makes a legitimate consideration that she could’ve been Belos, if she refused to listen to others and change. But Luz owned up! As did the Collector, whose escapism and wish to play the role of the ‘hero’, in this case Luz, causes them to do some pretty terrible things. But they still change after being called out, and are still given sympathy over the loneliness and trauma that fueled their escapism, as was Luz.

"Philip struggled with getting over a different type of fantasy, one that relied upon him conquering and hurting others!"

As did King! And King got over that, he quickly learned that other people would always be more important than his fantasies, even if the 'sacrifices' were a lot more minor. King started off the same, the difference is that he still grew up and that's why we judge his antics as so much more light-hearted.

“Well that’s not fair, Philip’s examples were more extreme!”

How about Eda’s curse? Belos never brings up his other sources of trauma as an excuse for his actions, but you know what he does invoke? His curse, claiming to Hunter and Luz that it forced him to act certain ways. But we see Eda, who got a rawer deal with her curse; She didn’t bring it upon herself, as Belos did. She legitimately loses control when it takes over. She scarred and disabled her father because of it, and you know what?

Eda never uses her curse as an excuse. She never lets that justify what she’s done to people, and she even befriends the creature at the source of her curse, the Owl Beast. The curse she deals with is objectively worse, objectively more unfair, than Belos’. But it’s only Belos who actually cites his curse as an excuse, and the palismen at the source of it? He kills them.

“Belos’ cursed form is treated as ugly and evil!”

The palismen amalgam in his mind looked almost exactly the same, to the point where Hunter, who had seen Belos’ cursed form in person before, thought they were identical. But in the end, the palismen amalgam, despite resembling Belos’ cursed form, is a sympathetic and tragic victim who is murdered. Luz and Hunter mistaking him for Belos is justified, but it’s also still regrettable that they are judged by appearances.

“It hurts people to sacrifice their morals for the greater good, you know!”

Raine did that, they felt compelled to drag Darius and Eberwolf (one of whom was a childhood friend) into a murder-suicide, because as far as they knew, they were already going to be caught and executed, so may as well take their oppressors down with them! And they aren’t called out for it, because they couldn’t have known about Darius’ actual intentions…

Because in the end, sometimes you have to punch a fascist, and sometimes you have to oppose a friend or loved one because they took the fascists’ side. It’s why Lilith is expected to change for Eda, not the other way around. Raine is not the aggressor here, it’s all from the principle of self-defense for themselves and the isles as a whole.

And in the end, it’s because Raine is approaching from a place of actual good intent and moral concern that there are lines they still refuse to cross; As soon as they learn about Luz and King, they sabotage their own plans because they refuse to orphan these kids they just found out about for the ‘greater good’. When one of those very kids, Luz, makes Raine promise to keep Eda safe, you can see the conflict between their morals and their obligations in their eyes as Eda accepts the Bard sigil, and ultimately Raine powers through the draining spell to save Eda’s life, simply because Luz asked them to.

I’ve talked since their debut of how Raine has some similarities to Belos, in particular how they both work their whole lives to infiltrate a group from within to topple it, even as they publicly support it as a celebrated leader. They both had to lie and work under the radar, and make effective rhetoric; They each wear their own masks. Raine has to constantly lie to and rebuke Eda about being brainwashed, and we can see the moral agony it gives them!

But Raine is opposed to a legitimate threat, whereas Belos is completely making one up; Raine has to work under the micro-management of tyrants with control over them, Philip has been free from his colony for centuries, and even after finding out Gravesfield gave up on its witch hunting mission in the present, still traps himself of his own will. Belos feels no guilt for any of his ‘necessary evil’.

Raine had actual morals unlike Belos that they did sacrifice, for an actual greater good, and they actually hurt over these choices. They dedicated their whole life to stop a dark and twisted parallel, which makes their inclusion in the finale as the only person outside of the core trio to help against Belos all the more deserved; They even help deliver the killing blows. And Raine is rewarded for all of their effort, allowed to see it come to fruition and rest happily afterwards, because they really were sincere, and actually did make sacrifices, something Belos preaches but never follows. Most importantly, Raine knew they couldn’t justify everything even for their morally-justified mission.

“Belos was still legitimately wronged by Caleb for nothing, he didn’t deserve to be abandoned!”

Even if we believe Caleb did ‘abandon’ Philip or whatever; The Collector was legitimately wronged by the Titan, imprisoned and isolated for millennia despite being innocent. But while he justifiably calls the Titan a bully, he never takes this out on King, or any other Titan for that matter, remembering the rest with love. Nor is the Collector expected to forgive the Titan; The Titan accepts she made the wrong call. After all, imprisoning the Collector left them in a vulnerable state to be exploited by Belos, and give him the draining spell…

The Titan and Caleb’s mistakes were very much that, but the Collector matured for others, without needing an apology from the dead person who wronged him. And based on what we see of Belos’ memories, Caleb probably DID get to deliver that apology when he was alive, and Philip still insisted on being bitter!

“His only childhood friend just ditched him for someone else!”

That’s what happened to Willow, and that’s how she understood it for most of her life; Amity leaving her behind because she was too weak, and kids like Boscha and Skara were more popular, stronger, etc. But not only does the show say her rage against Amity is totally warranted and that the onus is on Amity to apologize, even if she didn’t choose to leave Willow (keep in mind she still saw Willow as a weak person to protect without input, as we later see in Labyrinth Runners)…

Willow is still kind. She still opts to be compassionate to Gus, and to Luz, and in general a nurturing person despite her abandonment. And when Willow is given the chance to take revenge on Boscha by stealing her glory in Grudgby, she doesn’t kick the girl while she’s down to do so; But Willow is also allowed to still hold anger towards Boscha, as we see in Season 3. And assuming Caleb wasn’t malicious about leaving Philip behind, we clearly see how he welcomes his brother back and wants things to get better, just as Amity does; He had his own side of the story. And Willow doesn’t kill Amity despite being primed to very easily do so…

"But imagine finding out they CHOSE to leave you, when you thought they didn't!"

Camila?!?! In fact, Camila was THE precedent for this, and people went and applied her tragic scene to Philip to make HIM into some angsty sadboi! And last I checked, Camila didn't exactly murder Luz... Plus, Philip had infinitely more time to see Caleb and Evelyn interact, and thus figure out that Caleb wasn't being kidnapped or brainwashed; Compare that to Camila who is just dunked into that situation out of nowhere, and is barely even adjusting to Vee's existence on top of finding out Luz was someplace else the entire time, and dealing with Jacob.

"A lot of family members at least start off as well-intentioned when hurting loved ones, they could've shown that!"

Bold of you to assume that Belos' selfish entitlement towards Caleb is the same as Camila or Gwen's legitimate concerns for their daughters; They did unconditionally love and they were misguided. But when shown they were causing pain, they actually shifted gears instead of focusing on how they were fight because they knew better. And what they were doing WAS still harmful, even though they DID care.

“Belos was probably a weirdo himself, and suffered from internalized hatred for his deviancy!”

Lilith dyed her hair to fit in with the coven, and be taken seriously. Amity suppressed herself to be a stoic perfectionist, constantly trying to justify her own existence as she says; She had to work to be good at magic while others like Gus, Emira, and Edric were naturally talented, and was made to hate those who weren’t successful as witches. Hunter too loathed his own lack of bile magic!

Most tellingly, Camila herself was taught to hide her weirdness, grew up thinking she was successful for doing that, and even tried to impose the same on Luz because of that misconception! But Camila realized what was done to her was wrong, and the same applied to her daughter; Accepting Luz’s weirdness meant accepting her own.

“Even if he still chose to double down in villainy, Belos could’ve at least been given a moment where he was sympathetic, where his sadness was shown, before nevertheless deciding his fate!”

Kikimora had an entire episode where she agonized over her obligations to a mother that seemed low key abusive, given her threat to disown her. We see her hesitate, cry, and be legitimately disappointed when she’s rewarded for staying with Belos by ‘getting to live’, a reward that doesn’t even last by the Day of Unity! Even after Kikimora makes her choice to betray Luz and Amity, we still get a final scene of her looking uncertain and even regretful of her decision, before she commits. Kikimora isn’t redeemed but is still humanized, despite being less human than Belos, so to speak.

She’s even a dark parallel to Lilith, having jealousy towards the Golden Guard, an emotionally abusive mother, and an inferiority complex towards other members of the coven despite working directly with Belos! And she is given many chances to escape Belos, a few months where she is legitimately free from him, and chooses to remain in her ways because Kikimora’s difference with Lilith isn’t that life was more unfair to her, it’s that she refused to change.

Now this is a bit out there, but there’s also the other Coven Heads! Mason, Vitimir, Hettie, and Osran! The show was shortened, so who knows what they could’ve provided for the story… Mason, Hettie, and Osran especially, since they’re not included amongst the coven head loyalists who still cling to power, even after Belos’ death. The show could’ve easily set up sympathetic moments to indicate a possibility of change, paying off in the epilogue; But because of Disney, you can’t blame the writers for not delivering everything they could’ve.

“How about a character who was just… an asshole, no outside reason given?”

Boscha, who was popular and privileged. While she does allude to some pressures that motivate her, as far as we know, there wasn’t really anyone or anything that made her be so cruel towards those she perceives as lesser. But despite this, Willow doesn’t see any point in trying to take Boscha’s spotlight as a Grudgby captain, when offered by her teammates; She doesn’t kick Boscha when she’s down. And Boscha is ultimately still recognized as unhappy with the loss of her friends, so even if she does do egregious things during the Collector’s reign, Amity offers Boscha the chance to become better and improve, as she did. And she takes it!

“Well, none of these characters had to grapple with having done things nearly as bad as Belos!”

And why do you think that is? Why are Belos’ sins so monumental in comparison, how did they get so bad? Because he kept refusing to change, kept refusing each opportunity, and got worse because of that. His first confirmed murder was Caleb, who right beforehand embraced his brother during what appeared to be a manifestation of the curse. But Philip still chose to commit his first sin despite receiving such unconditional sympathy, because he wanted control, not happiness. He didn’t start off as a genocidal dictator, he worked his way up to that over centuries.

“They make it seem like Belos was born evil!”

Our earliest chronological appearances of Philip are as a happy, carefree child who plays games with the brother he loves and looks up to; That isn’t the portrayal of someone ‘born’ evil. This is the portrayal of someone who became that way, over time, because he refused to concede anything to anyone, and wore away what decency he had across centuries, until we see the Emperor that Belos is when the show starts.

An evil dictator who ravaged an entire world for hundreds of years came from an innocent little kid, and Luz becomes self-aware of how this can apply to her, even as she’s reminded that she also ISN’T like Belos because of this critical reflection and willingness to listen. Belos, on the other hand, consciously cultivated an echo chamber for centuries, killing any Grimwalker he felt disagreed with him, despite their unconditional love and support. He deliberately shut himself off from the isles and ignored the kindness of others.

Bump reminds Faust that it’s disingenuous to project malice onto children who often simply don’t know any better, and just need to be given a chance to be taught and educated. But kids also have to take initiative to mature when they get older, hence why we hold adults more responsible; The established logic is that Belos wasn’t an evil child, he was simply a child who never grew up and that’s where his evil came from, rather than being some pre-existing source.

To be honest, I think the narrative doesn’t bother showing sympathy to Belos over his trauma because he’s already HAD more than enough sympathy, across centuries, from his brother, the Grimwalkers, his followers, even Luz and the Collector! So the story doesn’t feel the need to waste tears on someone who already got them, and instead focuses sympathy to characters who haven’t received as much, if any; People like Lilith, Amity, Hunter, etc.

Belos is the culmination of other characters’ traumas (who prove you can still choose to be better and happier despite these things), and was practically coddled by the people in his life for it. But he still chose to be bitter, never opened up to accept help, and his rejection brought even more pain that he could only blame on himself. Belos’ only tragedy is his refusal to change for the better; Even the narrative has made it clear he had chances, tears wept for him by people he knew.

He is a mirror to so many characters, what could’ve happened if they looked at their own pain and used it as justification to continue lashing out, because clearly they are the underdog heroes who have been wronged and are fighting against an injustice, right? The hero of their own story, if you will. Hell, we still also get that with Kikimora, as I just said! What I’ve listed is not a double standard, but rather proof that Belos was not uniquely condemned by his circumstances, for he is alike many characters as I mentioned. And Belos does not need to be portrayed “sympathetically” in order for the audience to understand the relevance of these parallels; Namely, that Belos has no excuse to still be like this when those similar nevertheless choose not to be cruel, and will accept others’ compassion.

And besides, with how the show was shortened… Who’s to say the writers didn’t plan to throw Belos a sympathetic moment of genuine loneliness, before doubling down? Not that they really would’ve needed to. But if they planned it, the writers had to leave it out to prioritize the weirdos this show is actually about, due to the shortening.

#the owl house #emperor belos #philip wittebane #lilith clawthorne #caleb wittebane #the owl house hunter #darius deamonne #Luz Noceda #the owl house collector #king clawthorne #Eda clawthorne #edalyn clawthorne #raine whispers #camila noceda #the owl house boscha #fandom salt #white favoritism

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punkeropercyjackson · 1 month

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Man i just.Why do DC fans prioritize trans Jason over the actual representation in his story.Yes yes yes he has tons of transmasc swag so there's this he/they weird goth tboy so true but in CANON,almost all his important people are poc or women and every one of his love interests is BOTH and they're......completely erased in trans Jason headcanons,as if they can't perfectly co-exist

I've seen literally ZERO posts of Duke included in 'All Batboys are trans' in all my years as a Batman fan when he's Jason's favorite brother.No Talia helping out with adjusting to his Lazarus Pit testosterone and surgeries combo when HER FAMILY OWNS IT and when SHE WAS THERE WHEN HE GOT THROWN IN.T4T Jaytemis/Jayrose?Nonexistent and nobody even aknowledges they're a part of his lore while also complaining about lack of female characters because they refuse to seek them out so they can focus on their female coded binary white boy.Him and Stephanie being transmasc/transfem solidarity as found trans siblings?I may as well be dreaming if i ever see get to see it.I can't even enjoy the ones of him with Dick and Damian unless it's just them because it's genuinely so upsetting to see Tim too but no Duke.And i'm not gonna touch on the all loads of smut that claim to be representation but are actually fetishizing with ZERO respect or care for his transmasculinity other than i hope y'all get over that internalized trans*phobia soon and that fuckass transmisogyny with your minus zero inclusion of transfems,be it canon girls or egg headcanons

It literally dosen't matter if you make Jason trans if you erase everything THAT'S ALREADY THERE.As a black trans femme,i don't want your whitewashed bullshit.Jason is already rep-He's poor and mentally ill with ptsd and implied cluster b disorder(s)and with the add on of the afrolatino side of the DC fandom claiming him i'm good with those but y'all erase THAT too by making him rich by Bruce given nepotism baby status and a million other things you've made up because you just can't stomach the thought of some peasent being your fave,you woobify him by downplaying his symptoms so he can be your lil bad boy bf you can fix with your coquettish wiles or whatever the fuck and you don't see him as afrolatino because of a connection and relatability like we do but because you think it adds 'spice' to him or are a snowbunny or both.He's still him if he's cis but he's not himself if dosen't have those traits i said because they're actually fucking canon and believe it or not,canon IS better sometimes and you'd know that if you bothered to read and watch it

Jason's story is NOT a trans metaphor.Jason's story is about grief and poverty and trauma and the poc and women and woc he loves and cherishes and this is why so many of us irl love him.It's not Jason's story if there's no Talia or Dick or Damian or Rose or Artemis or Stephanie or DUKE,who IS a Batboy,who IS a Robin,who IS Jason's FAVORITE,NONE of who are options for him but the people he actively CHOOSES to have as parts of his life.Jason's story is NOT about YOU.Not everything is

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mcfuckity · 2 years

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literally saw fanart where Amity made Willow out of an abomination and tried to apologize to her and everyone made it about poor widdle Amity who was FORCED by her parents to stop being friends with Willow and no one mentioning how Amity always resorted to bullying Willow afterwards and someone literally said "canon, I know she was devastated when she had to end her friendship with Willow". but she wasn't even the one being bullied and ostracized? YES, POOR AMITY WHO BULLIED WILLOW FOR YEARS AND CALLED HER "HALF A WITCH". omfg. I hate how everyone woobifies the white love interest and focuses on her instead of her girls of color victims.

That’s the whole show fr. Poor Amity because she’s ALWAYS the victim somehow. I do like that post/fanart because it’s younger Amity who doesn’t understand the weight of her actions but once she’s a teen? She can choke on her “remorse” because why did it take a random human you liked to stop bullying someone who USED TO BE your friend and WHY IS EVERYONE ACTING LIKE ITS OK??

She bullied a girl of color for YEARS, but no, SHES the victim despite making everyone’s lives hell on her own free will. Boohoo for the rich yt girl with powerful parents but fuck the people she inflicted that same abuse on, apparently.

I remember why I love Willuz so much now, they were cut from the same cloth of being ostracized, bullied, avoided with the only difference being Willow having Augustus and we see that they met when Willow was hiding away. Willuz had all the chemistry and set up of a great ship but let’s stick with the skinny rich bully yt girl instead.

I bet Dana is glad that the white favoritism worked in lumity’s favor.💀💀

#the owl house #toh #white favoritism #dana terrace #toh thoughts #toh opinions #toh salt #toh criticism #toh critical #willow park #luz noceda #willuz #anti lumity #anti amity #amity blight #white tears #ask #I’ve decided this is a Willuz stan post

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the-lone-witch-and-secret-room · 2 years

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Thoughts on Alador and Odalia in Clouds on the Horizon

So I’ve been meaning to address this either way, but I’ve also been getting a bunch of asks re: my thoughts on how Alador’s been handled in the latest episodes.

Short answer: I did not like it.

Long answer: the gist of it is that I think he’s a good idea of a character that was not handled very well and made worse by how the show handled Odalia.

From the reactions I’ve seen in the fandom, this is going to be an unpopular take. But I feel like others might need to hear this, especially if they feel similarly to me and feel as alone with their thoughts in this fandom as I have since Clouds on the Horizon aired.

I’ll be going over the topic in depth under the cut, be aware that it’ll be long, and, for obvious reasons, abuse TW.

Reblogging is allowed and encouraged as long as you’re respectful about it.

I’m also well aware that this is a pretty resigned post in places, perhaps undeservedly so, but I’m just extremely frustrated and honestly exhausted.

But let’s get into it, shall we?

So from what I gather from Clouds on the Horizon, Alador Blight was supposed to be an actually caring if somewhat absent dad who is abused by his wife and only goes along with her because he’s scared for his kids.

I want to make it very clear here that it’s not the basic concept here I take issue with. I actually think this sounds great on paper, both in portraying that adult men can also be the victims of relationship abuse (physical or verbal) which is super important because that’s something society doesn’t take seriously at all and because it’s nice to see the dad take responsibility and be there for his kids for a change, seeing as even outside of scenarios like this that’s still something that usually falls to the mom.

As for how this was handled… well, that was actually worse than I feared it to be.

Clouds on the Horizon was the first Owl House episode that I was genuinely scared of watching and actually put off watching for hours because I had a feeling they were going to redeem at least one of the Blight parents, but holy shit, even knowing they had way too little time to pull this off no matter which way it went, this was awful.

I want to stress that I in general have massive caveats with abusive parent redemption arcs in media, for a variety of reasons—the main one being that they give false and outright dangerous hopes to actual abused kids that their parents, too, can and will change, and that that change will stick, just to get them crushed all over again. In real life, an abusive parent apologizing is far more likely to be a technique to get the victim back under their control—that’s actually called the “honeymoon phase/reconciliation period” and is one of the big phases in the cycle of abuse, meant to make sure the victim stays with their abuser because “it isn’t all bad”. So seeing an abuser promising betterment treated as something positive, especially if the piece of media doesn’t at least go the extra step to point out how it’s often not genuine, that’s actively dangerous and will hurt real abused kids watching.

Alador, in the narrative they went with, is a bit of a… special case, because as of Clouds, the writers just seem to have decided to pretend he was never an abusive parent in the first place. He paid too little attention to his kids, sure, but that’s just because he was “protecting” his kids and his actual demon of a wife didn’t allow him to take days off.

They really did just take any and all of his accountability away completely and pinned everything on Odalia.

Which sucks because, let me be very clear here, the fact that he’s abused does not give him an excuse to abuse his kids in turn. It sucks that that’s happening to him, sure, but he still hurt his kids, and that hurt doesn’t become forgivable just because he was struggling.

I don’t have an issue with the show writers choosing to portray Alador as an abuse victim, but I do have a huge issue with the show then saying this negates his role as an abuser.

Someone can be abused and abusive at the same time. Those aren’t mutually exclusive.

Abused people sometimes perpetuate their abuse onto others.

For example: one of my former bullies was dealing with pretty major issues herself and that sucks for her and I’m sorry she went through these things but it still didn’t make it okay for her to hurt me and it didn’t mean I forgave her when I found out.

I take a lot of issue with the fact that Alador never apologized, and like I said, he’s not really held accountable by the show in Clouds and beyond, which bothers me a ton.

You know who is held accountable far more than him? His kids.

Amity spent ages making things up to Willow because that she was being hurt wasn’t an excuse for her to be shitty to others. And you can argue here that she thought she was protecting Willow, and even “helping” her. But she still hurt her. And the show addresses that. And she’s reprimanded for that. And Willow gets the time and space to figure out to which extent she wants to forgive her. Which I think they did very well in Labyrinth Runners with Willow getting to tell Amity what she takes issue with.

Speaking of that episode: what was up with the amount of bashing that was going around the fandom for Amity having a trauma reaction and not wanting to lose Willow again? She spent so long making things up to her and is still struggling with that and is struggling to reconcile their relationship of kid Willow that needed protecting vs. older Willow that’s confident and can take care of herself, which, for the record, is normal. Amity wants to make up for not protecting her better as kids in that episode. She’s not maliciously mistreating her. Willow knows this. She’s fine with giving Amity time to get to know her again.

Yet all of Amity’s actually fleshed out redemption arc isn’t enough for y’all not to jump her for the slightest misstep, while Alador gets a pat on the back for the bare minimum?

The twins are held way more accountable than him too. They start out having an awful relationship with Amity and crossing a line with their plan of posting her diary all over school. But Luz calls them out on how shitty that is, and they spend the rest of the series making up for it. Amity says in Adventures in the Elements that they’ve been extra nice to her to make things up to her. And that they apologize a lot. And going forward they support her. (I’ve seen a lot more people suspicious of Ed and Em not being the devil incarnate after Adventures in the Elements than I’ve seen people critical of Alador’s redemption which is weird also.)

We get to see the Blight kids grow into better siblings for each other, to the point that in the end, Amity is even comfortable crying in front of them and venting to them when she’s frustrated. They even know how to make her feel better.

And this is coming out of a relationship where the kids have always been played out against each other. We see this again in CotH—Odalia literally held Amity accountable for the twins acting out when she wasn’t responsible for that at all.

So, toh has been relatively good when it comes to the narrative that being hurt doesn’t mean you get to hurt others with no consequences in regards to the Blight kids specifically. Which is great, and important, and something we need more of.

But how does it handle Alador, compared to his kids?

It pulls a “plot twist, it was the evil wife all along.” And “plot twist”, in this case, means “we’re just going to ignore all of his past behavior and the fact that this has absolutely zero buildup or hints in past episodes and throw this in completely out of nowhere”. Which is just not good writing.

It’d be great that they’re writing an abused husband breaking free from his wife, but… that’s not what’s happening. He’s not written to be an abused husband, or at least not well, and definitely not to be a blameless one. In all of the past episodes, he was a neglecting dad who had no issues standing up to his wife. But we’re just gonna ignore that now, because it was all secretly the evil woman and Alador obviously can’t be held accountable for his actions. He can’t need to apologize for neglecting his kids for years. Really, he was always such an incredible, wholesome dad being forced to be awful!

I don’t know if that’s just me but it very much felt like they just replaced Alador with a completely different character in Clouds on the Horizon. Let’s take a look at how he was written in past episodes, shall we?

In the past, we’ve seen him:

1) join Odalia in telling Amity to cut ties with her best friend (Understanding Willow) which is… a poor introduction if they were always planning to go down the abused dad that’s not actually responsible for what he does to his kids-route?

Also if anyone feels the need to call Amity an unreliable narrator reading this, I’ve been over this, but please just… don’t. Please trust abused kids to understand what’s happening and who is hurting them. You do not know better than Amity. We haven’t seen this scene outside of her memory. She’s the only one who has. You just want an extra excuse to take all responsibility away from someone who has very much been abusive to Amity and her siblings in the past.

2) mostly being too disinterested to intervene or even pay attention to what Odalia is putting Amity’s friends through (Escaping Expulsion) to the point that he told them they’d be executed rather than expelled at first. He was completely impassive in that scene and rather than intervening, he kept playing with Bump’s Palisman.

Again, poor choice if you were gonna go down the “it wasn’t actually his fault at all”-route. It would’ve been so easy to put in a scene where he wants to do something with the kids but is manipulated into staying in the lab for longer, rather than looking way too content when Odalia is around and just have zero hints whatsoever that that’s what’s really going on. Or a scene where he fights with himself on whether to confront her and tell her she's going too far.

3) Speaking of Odalia, the fact that he not only stood up to her no problem or hesitation in Escaping Expulsion once he finally deemed it necessary to intervene (which took way too long considering his wife was using his creations to beat up a friend of his daughter), but that he outright manipulated her, knowing exactly what he needed to say to get her to agree to what he wanted.

This doesn’t match up at all with how he’s portrayed later. Why not show him as fearful of his wife and hesitating because of that, rather than have him be impassive and distracted, when this is the story you want to tell?

Why have him seem manipulative and like he’s helping Amity for all the wrong reasons without as much as a single hint to his actual intentions?

Why make him look awful by making it seem like he could have intervened in his wife’s abuse years ago but just didn’t care enough, if it was always supposed to be the fear of his wife that kept him from intervening?

4) The way he’s acting in Reaching Out, especially at the beginning. Just… why. Why make him act like that if this is the context. Why make him not only actively ignore his child’s wishes when she’s telling him what she wants but try to force her to go to coven tryouts against her will? Why send an Abomiton with her to make sure she shows up? If it was always supposed to be just Odalia, why not at least have him say “I’m sorry, but your mother would never agree to letting you miss trials” or anything along those lines? Even just a minor hint that this isn’t what he wants?

Add to this the fact that he doesn’t interact with his kids to the point that he didn’t know Amity had been dating Luz for weeks. Which is neglecting. Which he’s been for years and which is absolutely not up for debate, or at least shouldn’t be.

Add the fact that other people have to point out to him that he’s been an awful dad, rather than having him realize it himself. Eda and his own kids have to tell him to do better. If he’s been hurting his kids to protect them, how the hell did he supposedly not realize he was hurting them?

Add the fact that he doesn’t even realize how much he’s hurt Amity, that after everything he did to hurt her and after she had to tell him he was doing a terrible job at parenting, he thinks it’s acceptable to just hug her at the first sign of being given a chance because he doesn’t grasp the severity of what he’s done.

He doesn’t hold himself accountable. He doesn’t apologize.

He kept assuming that joining the Emperor’s Coven was Amity’s dream and didn’t even realize that was just what his wife wanted. That’s how little attention he paid to her.

He says he likes Amity’s hair, and despite being supposedly so scared of his wife in the new episode, he says he’ll talk to her.

5) The fact that after Labyrinth Runners, Amity tells Luz her methods of communication were taken away and she was grounded, which leaves the options as either Alador is paying so little attention to his kids again that he’s conveniently unaware, or is aware of the punishment but doesn’t intervene, both right after he told Amity things would change.

This all combined very much paints a picture of a husband and father who has accountability, and who can intervene in his wife’s abuse, but repeatedly chooses not to.

And then Clouds on the Horizon happens, and decides to just ignore that completely.

Alador is not written as an abused father in a way that we as the viewers could pick up on, or that we could go back and see the older episodes in a new light, because this is never even vaguely hinted at. It just ends up coming across like his character is super inconsistent, like I said, I very much felt like I was watching an entirely different person all of a sudden.

Yes, you have probably seen theories about Alador being an excellent dad that’s secretly abused by his evil wife before this episode. Hell, I definitely have. But that’s not because there were any hints. People just ran with him being an “interesting character” meaning he’s a wholesome wonderful person regardless of what was happening in the show and love to vilify women in general.

And even if he was written as a realistic, good, perfect portrayal of a man that’s abused by his wife and him breaking free from her would feel earned and well done, I still would not be comfortable with the way they handled his accountability in comparison to Amity’s. I can’t stress this enough, but that he is abused does not mean his abuse towards his children is acceptable. It doesn’t mean the hurt he caused them isn’t real. It doesn’t mean his children owe him forgiveness. That there’s a reason for why someone acts the way they do doesn’t mean they aren’t to blame for the pain they cause others in the process. There’s no scenario in which I would’ve been content with how they handled that part.

Also, can we talk about how at the slightest sign of change, Alador is immediately forgiven by the fandom for years of abuse that Amity herself hasn’t even forgiven him for? And that people are now acting like he was always an incredible dad?

All while bashing the hell out of Camila who was never abusive and is repeatedly shown to love and support Luz and her creativity? She’s not perfect but the main issue she and Luz have is that they don’t talk to each other enough and aren’t similar enough to understand each other without that. Camila is trying, and we see her try, and we see her be a good parent to Luz and to Vee, but she continuously gets put down and called an awful parent.

I had someone tell me they think Willow’s and Gus’s parents should have been called out for… initially being mad at their kids for being expelled because of actions that they actually committed?

Not Alador. Alador gets to abuse his kids for years and then be patted on the back and widely congratulated for doing the absolute bare minimum.

Interesting double standards to have, considering Alador is a white man and he gets cut so much more slack than the flawed parents of color in the show.

Also @ certain parts of the fandom, reading Alador as autistic does not make this better. It actually makes it worse. Looking at an autistic adult and babying him because “he’s on the spectrum of course he’d struggle to be a decent parent to his kids to the point where he straight-up abuses them, you can’t blame him for that 🥺” is fucking ableist! He’s an adult, not a little kid! Treat autistic adults as adults, for fuck’s sake! Same goes for headcanoning him with adhd!

But I don’t want this reply to focus entirely on Alador because really, he’s not the only character whose writing I was upset about.

Odalia in Clouds on the Horizon was… uh… a choice.

I’m not sure if I can put into words properly how deeply uncomfortable her portrayal made me. She’s an abusive parent and an awful person, that is not in question and will never be, but Jesus fucking Christ. There’s a significant difference between a realistic abusive parental figure (and spouse), which she used to be and which is amazing to have in children’s media because of how rare it is, and her going full cartoon villain in Clouds.

She crosses the line from realistic portrayal to complete caricature. Real people don’t act like that. There’s a world between child abuse and not only attempted murder but being complicit in genocide.

I think that really takes away from the show’s portrayal of abuse in general because it makes it feel less real.

There was really no reason for them to have Odalia be this vicious evil. If they’d toned it down somewhat, had made her not know about the day of unity and just interrupt when they try to tell her because she doesn’t care what happens to their products post being bought, that would’ve changed a lot for me already without even changing much about the episode.

Even Belos is portrayed as more layered and sympathetic than she is, which really does say something. They couldn’t have leaned into the crazy evil woman trope any harder if they’d tried.

And all of this combined was immensely triggering and upsetting to me, as someone who’s suffered through years of verbal abuse from not only bullies but people I considered my friends. People that were controlling and laughed it off when I told them I was uncomfortable, that ditched me at the drop of a hat, that repeatedly put me down and gaslit me and never once apologized, some of them still pretending to be my friends during all this. Either not noticing how much they hurt me, or pretending not to notice while they really just didn’t care.

And they were kids at the time, not even adults like Alador is, who are really on a whole other level of accountability than minors are, especially when it comes to treating their own children who they hold so much power and responsibility over.

I sat there and cried after watching Clouds on the Horizon, and not for any of the reasons the show wanted me to cry.

It made me so deeply uncomfortable that I couldn’t enjoy the episode at all. I won’t be able to rewatch it. There’s so much about it that I love, so many wonderful character decisions it made, but I can’t enjoy it because it’s coupled with all this. I can’t even be happy about one of my favorite fictional couples kissing in a moment that’s actually historical for Disney because this episode made me feel so empty and drained. I can’t rewatch an episode with one of the most adorable kisses in TV history, and have to convince myself not to be too happy about the kiss because it’ll make me even more upset about never being able to rewatch the episode. I have to hope we’ll get another kiss in an episode that isn’t this triggering to me.

A part of me is frustrated with myself because I trusted this show to do better. What did I expect? Of course the woman is viciously evil. Of course you can’t have a healthy relationship where the woman is in charge. Of course a girl’s pain and trauma is less important than showcasing that the man who was partially responsible for said trauma was actually always a good person who can’t be held accountable at all. Of course an abused child had to work for forgiveness and atone for her actions for months and still isn’t fully forgiven, while her dad doesn’t have to even apologize.

I love this show. I think it does a lot of things right and a lot of things well and has made a lot of important steps in the right direction.

But Clouds on the Horizon really, really hurt me. And perhaps worst of all, I’m stuck feeling pretty much alone with this. I’m afraid of speaking up on it because I’m scared people will shoot me down, that they’ll tell me my pain is less important than the poor decisions a writing team made about a fictional abusive man.

It’s not like it’d be the first time members of this fandom put me down and minimize my experiences and my feelings and my pain over something like that. You can disagree with my opinion on this topic, and on any other, but that doesn’t mean you’re ever allowed to weaponize my trauma and use it against me.

I went back and forth a lot about whether to make a post on this, and whether to put it in the fandom tags if I do, because of the bad experiences I’ve had with this in the past. But I’ve decided in favor of both because I need to voice this, not just for me, but for other people who feel like this and who might be feeling as alone with it as I do in a fandom where no one seems to share their thoughts.

If anyone needs a safe space to vent about this, you have it here. You may use this blog in any way you’d like. If you feel most comfortable with that, use asks on anon and I won’t tag them anything except for triggers. My DMs and the comment section of this post are also open to anyone who needs to get something out of their system. Just please make sure to not share any real names or locations, and if you reblog this and add to it make sure to include trigger warnings in case any of your followers might need them.

Stay safe and take care of yourself. If the episode was too much for you, that’s okay. If you need time to recover, take that time. If you can’t take seeing all the posts praising Alador and joking about the whole thing, please remember that it’s okay to block tags, and it’s okay to take a break from social media for however long you need. It’s valid to feel that way. Please do what’s best for you.

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na-na-namine · 2 years

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Me: I want more Willow fan content.

*Willow is now relegated to being Hunter’s Arm Candy*

Willow has been my favorite character in the show since day one, but whereas before I could barely find any works of her, now nearly every piece with her comes with an angsty white boy attached. I don’t even hate Huntlow, but when that's the only way Willow sees any presence in fandom, (as opposed to her simply being her wonderful self, or her being with Luz, Gus, Amity, or anyone else who isn't just Hunter) I can't help but ponder for the upteenth time how deeply entrenched white favoritism is in the TOH fandom.

Oh, and if any of y’all think this is an overreaction, type “willow park” in the tags and see for yourself what the top posts are. See who the most popular post is about.

#willow park #toh hunter #luz noceda #gus porter #amity blight #huntlow #toh winter #willumity #willuz #amillow #toh #the owl house #the owl house fandom #white favoritism #fandom racism #random rambles

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sickness-stricken · 3 months

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No bestie your Nazi Punks Fuck Off patch is really cool it just kinda makes me nervous that you label all metalheads as racist and all hippies as cultural appropriators while supporting white punks who parade around in Nazi Symbolism/imagery and scream the N word in songs as a “political statement” and consistently shove aside the impact POC have on your culture but yes all of the other alt subcultures are big unenlightened meanies please continue to lecture me on how you’re so much better than everyone else because you have a button with a swastika crossed out on it

#punk #Nazi punks fuck off #white favoritism #metalhead #hippie #alternative #alt subculture #discourse

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agrebel18 · 2 years

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why don't you focus on amity as much as the others like willow gus luz?

*LONG SIGHS*

I like focusing on them three specifically because they're my favorite characters in the show AND due to the fandom's white favoritism (obviously no hate to Amity or Hunter) they get mischaracterized and ignored or hated on like CRAZY and I wanna love them and defend them no matter what, whether it comes to their actions or who they're shipped with!

I've already clarified that I do really like Amity, I just don't get much brainrot over her like i get over the OG hexsquad!

#anon submission #anon ask #the owl house #amity toh #willow park #gus porter #luz noceda #white favoritism

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waywardsunlight · 2 years

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I want to respond to some comments I’ve been getting and make my feelings clear about Hunter and overrepresentation. Hunter is one of my favorite characters and it’s consistent in my love of characters like Zuko and my own character Maou. I really like sad angry boys who get redemption arcs. I just do.

However I do feel that despite that, there is white favoritism in the fandom for Hunter and it’s becoming apparent, especially in the past few days. I’m not knocking the fact that people enjoy him because I do, I’m always making content for him. But I think we’ve got to analyze why the fandom as a whole appears to favor him over most characters and I think part of it is the sad boy archetype, and part of it is due to him being perceived as white. An adverse is that Hunter is *fantasy* disabled and is personally relatable to a lot of people including myself because of that. I do notice the erasure of it in AUs and sometimes that can be... weird. I don’t think the colorism is intentional, I’m not accusing people of being racist for focusing on Hunter because I also focus on him and I’m very aware of this. But the sheer amount of content about him cutting his hair, which I contributed to, was kind of wild given that literally all the other kids had design changes too and had a lot less content, especially Luz. I’ve seen almost no content about her dealing with having a scar now, or her arc, or her relationship with her mom, and she’s literally the main character.

As a fan artist, I get way less attention on posts that aren’t about Hunter or Belos, which is in part because of my audience. I make a lot of content for those characters so naturally I have a lot of followers that enjoy that content. But it’s so hard to sell people on art of Luz. Even if it’s the most thoughtful art I’ve put out in the week, people favor Hunter. And yes he’s a good character with an interesting story, and no, nobody is bad for liking him or having him be their favorite character. I just see this trend and I get a little worried about how our fandom likely favors white characters due to social and cultural history and tend to erase characters like Luz and even Eda who aren’t socially and culturally as accepted which sucks.

#long post #personal opinion #toh #toh fandom #toh discourse #white favoritism #tw colorism #tw racism

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crocadino · 2 years

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For fuck sakes I'm tired of seeing your white favoritism all up in my feed!!! I don't want to see the mc white brother or girlfriend, when look for Luz content in #Luz tag I should be seeing fucking Luz Noceda

Just because your show has a afro-latina as a main character and other well thought out characters who happen to also be minorities doesn't mean the fandom is exempt from criticisms.

Fandoms will anyways have shitty ppl, so we're allowed to bitch and moan about it.

#luz #luz and hunter are siblings #white favoritism #cartoon white privilege #More POC as MC #vent #TOH #the owl house #amity blight #hunter clawthorne #vent post #bitching #bitching and moaning

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strawberrychocopie · 1 year

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The owl house is not as progressive with race and ethnicity as people think it is like sections fandom is racist af and like a lot of show is obessed with showing us more white people #

#the owl house #white favoritism

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fandomshatepeopleofcolor · 1 year

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Tbf, this is me bullshitting, but just based off the terms I would say that white prioritization is a more broad concept that can apply to fandom but also applies to the media being made itself (characters of color being left out of toy lines, characters of color getting killed off first/being skipped over for backstories/having their characterization bastardized, studios being willing to whitewash characters but not being willing to cast actors of color as MCs), whereas white favoritism would be more specifically referring to fandom and the general fan reaction of latching onto white characters and only acknowledging characters of color if/when they can be used to make their white fave look better. (I've actually only ever seen white favoritism used and a google for white prioritization brings up about one link.)

ok so I'm so sorry to bail on you and my followers but I'm like super depressed rn and I'm just gonna post this and weigh in later (along with another rb with commentary that I'll rb right after this). thanks for stopping by!

mod ali

#white prioritization #white favoritism

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Furthermore, Belos is the type of colonizer who loathes a culture, but also feels entitled to it and is pissed off when it doesn’t bend over backwards to his demands. He wanted the glyphs of the Titan but he refused to respect her and her people, her body, her customs, and opted to take it by force; A method needlessly more complicated, difficult, and arduous than just humbling himself and learning on someone else’s terms.

So to see some people have the fucking gall to treat Belos’ seizure of what is essentially a native resource as some W over that mean and unsuccessful Titan, disparage Luz as ‘not working’ for the glyphs like he did (ignoring how this brown girl actually put in the work of adapting to another culture), and unironically praise his ‘protestant work ethic’ is just… racist! It’s racist!!!

It’s buying into the conservative strong man myth that Belos got where he did ‘by the grit of his own teeth’, when really he lied to and cheated people who actually put in effort and suffered the consequences for him; He stood on people’s shoulders without consent and attributed their sacrifices as his own like so many American Dream capitalists, instead of appreciating and reciprocating others’ help the way Luz did. It’s buying into the idea that Belos’ atrocities can be overlooked for the sake of admiring how he ‘got things done’, because that’s just the price of success!!! Like I dunno maybe we shouldn’t even jokingly praise a character for being a colonizing thief, a swindling capitalist in all but name.

This reminds me of that time I saw someone’s Road to El Dorado AU where Philip plays the role of one of the white Spanish dudes. Like are you fucking for real. You saw a genocidal white colonizer who impersonates a local religion he has no real understanding over to manipulate the natives for his own selfish ends and you actually said, “Okay but what if we treated it as a cute and good thing this time? What if we treated his blatant disinterest in everything that isn’t seizing the natives’ resources as a teehee trait???” I don’t care if Philip is chill and doesn’t murder people in this version of events. Y’all are just being lowkey, if not outright, racist.

Belos is an effective satire of right-wing conservatives and radicalized white supremacists, genocidal colonizers who bastardize and appropriate cultures, “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” success stories, entitled abusers with all their excuses, and Christian self-flagellation and savior complexes. Dana based him off of televangelists, cult leaders, and her own conservative relatives. And yet so many people willingly ignore the whole point of Belos’ narrative and themes to reduce him to just “Caleb’s moody brother” or some sadboi victim of religious trauma, as if Philip didn't willingly embrace Puritan ideology regardless of whatever drawbacks it may have had, because it ultimately promised superiority…

And with the AUs that strip Belos of everything that makes him Belos for the sake of some feel-good story that undermines the show’s themes and does his victims dirty, that isn’t even an alternate version that’s just a completely different, made-up guy with none of the depth. How’s he going to learn his lesson in a redemption fic if the first thing the writer does is undo the curse to restore Philip's White Man status that he so obsessively clung onto, and lost for that very reason? How is he going to learn his lesson if the writer can't seem to properly comprehend what exactly he did wrong and the actual reasons for it???

#the owl house #emperor belos #philip wittebane #fandom racism #white favoritism #vent #rant

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punkeropercyjackson · 2 months

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Frank has more trans guy-coding than Nico does but you didn't hear that from me

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mcfuckity · 2 years

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the fact that toh stans will routinely ignore/diminish the presence of poc characters to hype up their white faves...only to then turn around and violently insist their fandom doesnt have a white favoritism problem. the lack of self awareness is astonishing :/

Crazy asf innit? All the poc characters can only matter in relation to a yt one but GOD FORBID we call that shit out. It’s a special place in hell for all yall, especially Ms. Dana Terrace💀💀💀

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The Hunter discourse is a bit weird to explain, but basically it has to do with him overshadowing a lot of the other supporting characters, and him playing into some white favoritism in the show and fandom.

Ah. I’ve vaguely seen this mentioned in the form of a friend saying that now there’ll be people going into the show thinking Hunter is the main character rather than Luz because people talk about him so much, but nothing too in-depth.

I’m gonna admit that this is coming from someone who hasn’t seen much of the discourse myself, I haven’t been very active in social media fandom spaces a ton lately. (Also side note my personal opinion on Hunter is not important to this post whatsoever but this is not a character bash post, it is a fandom critique one.)

There’s one number I’d like to apply to this whole debate going into it, and that’s the number of character-focused fics. This number is not at all perfect because we don’t really have a reliable tag when it comes to who a story is focused on, but I’ve tried two things.

First of all: what happens if I exclude Luz as a character from Ao3 searches, since she’s the main character and fics that don’t feature her are more likely to actually be focused on the other characters (while especially Gus and Willow tend to just get tacked onto fics if they breathe in them once).

What ends up happening is, we have under 300 fics for Willow left, and Gus has even less than her. He doesn’t actually make the popular characters tag anymore. Hunter, on the other hand, has three times that amount, becoming second most popular character, right after Eda. (For some reason there’s also like 500 fics tagged Emperor Belos, but I feel like that’s probably him being tagged for appearing as a villain in a lot of cases? Though I can’t say for sure.)

The second thing I tried was just excluding Lumity, which painted a pretty similar picture: Hunter was, with almost 1800 fics, still the third most popular character after Luz and Eda, even beating Amity by 500 fics. He has twice the amount Willow and Gus have here.

I’m bringing this up because I’ve seen people say to stop whining because he’s “not as popular as Willow and Gus” because he’s not in as many fics, which may be true objectively, but if you look closer? Not so much. This is also reflected in how unbalanced fan spaces are when you look at Hunter fanart vs. Gus and Willow fanart (or even Edric and Emira fanart vs. Gus and Willow fanart, really).

The fandom as a whole definitely has had the issue for a while that the white characters overshadow the people of color in the cast—the “people who don’t know the show thinking Hunter is the main character”-thing was the same but with Amity a season ago, and there’s in general a lot of imbalance with the amount of attention the white characters get vs. the supporting cast of color, and depressingly at times even the main character of color. There’s so many people who’ve called Willow and Gus boring—and the show definitely isn’t great about it either, considering how much they get sidelined.

Even now that Willow is getting more attention from fans, a bunch of it is in the context of her properly being “shippable” which I have… mixed feelings about, because while I’m happy that that means more Willow content, she’s a super interesting character on her own (Gus too btw) and I wish people were able to appreciate that regardless of her having a potential romantic interest.

Adding to that is how white abusive parents are treated by the fandom compared to flawed parents of color, especially Camila compared to the Blight parents (but also even how Eda, who makes just as many mistakes as Camila and continuously puts Luz in danger especially at the beginning, is portrayed as this flawless perfect parent while Camila is somehow supposedly awful), but also the absurd fact that I’ve at one point gotten a person here that wanted a whole callout post on Willow’s and Gus’s parents after they got in trouble for being expelled, despite that being a very normal reaction from a parent… and the people who continuously call Luz “the Latina” under the guise of not repeating her name in fics while weirdly enough no one is referred to as “the white person”… it’s not good.

This isn’t my first time talking about a bunch of these things, so yeah that the fandom has a racism and white favoritism issue isn’t exactly news, and since Hunter has become super popular compared to other supporting characters that have been around far longer I very much get where that’s coming from and why people are so upset, especially with him being another white character gaining a ton of traction and in parts more than the main character. I was more active seeing this happen with Amity, but I’m not surprised this happening again has people upset.

There’s also the added fact that apparently some of the Hunter fans get incredibly upset at people for not liking him, resorting to actual slurs and hate messages, which, y’all, that’s not okay. It never is. It’s fine for people to dislike a character you like. That doesn’t mean you get to harass them! This shouldn’t even be a conversation we’re having!

I don’t feel comfortable resharing the link to the post I was sent since the OP is problematic in a variety of pretty major ways and I don’t want to add to her platform, but regardless, thank you anon for bringing it to my attention that it’s gotten that bad, I had no idea, Jesus Christ.

Idk if I should actually be that surprised though, considering my first hand experience with people deciding to be awful because I talked about my trauma and the issues I had with the way a character was being handled by the fandom due to this and got some people essentially telling me to get over myself 😬

If anyone following this blog thinks it’s okay to harass someone because they dislike a character you love please get off this blog. To people who are afraid of experiencing this, my advice would be to turn off anon asks because then even if you do get asks that make you uncomfortable at least you can block that person, and people in general tend to be more reluctant to be shitty if they have to put a name to it and can’t hide behind anonymity. I’m sorry to anyone who’s had to deal with that.

#asks #anon #racism tw #white favoritism #harassment tw #eleena rants #toh #the owl house #toh Hunter #Hunter #amity blight #Willow park

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