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beheworthy · 9 months

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How Taika Waititi Ruined Thor

[This essay talks negatively about director Taika Waititi and his Thor films. Please don’t read if you happen to enjoy them.

Despite my best efforts, this post is 10,343 words long. Here is a table of contents for ease:

1. INTRODUCTION 2. CHARACTER – Personality – Funny nature – The way he talks – The way he operates – Power ups – Agency – Side note in ‘agency’: shirtless scenes 3. RELATIONSHIPS – His father – Odin – His love – Jane – Supporting characters – Weapons 4. HIS STORY – Character arc – His way forward – Torture p*rn 5. APPEARANCE – The ugly suit in Thor4 – Shabby AF casual clothes – Gouged out eye – Stripped fOr FuN 6. WEB OF LIES 7. CONCLUSION ]

Despite Thor: Ragnarok (2017) (Thor3) introducing a complete change of tone for the Thor franchise, the mainstream media has decided it was only ever received positively by 100% of the audience. Not a ‘divisive’ or even a ‘generally favored’, but a ‘unanimously loved’ tag was given to this movie and its director Taika Waititi for “saving Thor”.

You have to wonder who were those people who went to the theatres for the first two films if this film saved the franchise because they were both hits. But seeing as I’m the non-existent 0% of the population that doesn’t echo that sentiment of the media, I decided to shed light on how Taika Waititi didn’t save him, but actually ruined, destroyed, and annihilated Thor in every way possible.

CHARACTER

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: there is nothing wrong with Thor being funny, as long as it isn’t at the expense of his character. And now you know why I’m writing this thesis.

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#thor #thor odinson #chris hemsworth #anti taika waititi #anti thor ragnarok #thor love and thunder #jane foster #thor x jane #odin #marvel #meta #write up #analysis #text #i could tag every character and every movie tbh #this is just me putting all explanations in one place

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galaxythreads · 3 months

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oh and another thing! what was the point of having Loki develop friendships so that way he could "have a meaningful relationship for the first time in his life" when Thor was RIGHT THERE the whole time???

The movie saga:

The series, for some reason:

#anti loki series #i think i'm in a mood about the show this week lol #loki #and then they try to guilt trip loki about odin too #like my guy #odin doesn't get a prize about being his father because he raised him #he did the bare minimum #like what was legally required of him #parenting takes work and odin did 0% of that work

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musclesandhammering · 9 months

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Ok but the parallel of Gamora being a scared little girl on a planet that was crumbling and was being invaded by a cosmic fascist who killed half the people and kidnapped her from her family, raising her as his own and grooming her to be his weapon in his further fascist conquests

And Loki… being a scared little boy on a planet that was crumbling and was being invaded by a cosmic imperialist who killed half the people and kidnapped him from his family, raising him as his own and grooming him to be his weapon in his further imperial conquests.

Also: “Everything I hate about myself, you taught me.”

#I’m not saying it’s exactly the same thing but it sure as hell rhymes #I just wish loki was able to fully conceptualise his parental situation the way that gamora seemed to be able to #loki yeah he intellectually knows he was kidnapped from his home by the very man who was destroying it #and he knows he was meant to be a pawn his whole life #but the fact that he was younger than gamora when he was taken and didn’t have any memories of his actual family #combined with the fact that his family allegedly left him to die anyway #makes him sort of cling to Odin as a fatherly figure more than he would otherwise #just as a way to distance himself from his actual parents who he sees as even worse #does that make sense?#anyway #loki meta #loki #gamora meta #Gamora #lokimora #gamoraloki #not rly but tagging just in case #mcu #anti odin #something something something the majority of Loki’s ‘villainous’ character traits really did come from Odin

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watcherinwater · 4 months

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Alright, whoever the writer (s) on the MCU What If staff is who is willing to portray Odin as the villain he is, and sympathizes with his children/victims, I would very much like to buy them a drink! I seriously doubt this will ever happen in the main timeline, but it’s nice to see that it happened somewhere.

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mysillylittleseerblog · 1 year

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Valhalla is not heaven, and other reasons fascists are dumb dumbs.

The utterly, bewildering, so funny it's depressing thing about neo n@z1s and blanc enthusiasts being so fucking quick to appropriate Norse iconography as a symbol of their "proud heritage" is that they consistently demonstrate a grasp on Norse Mythology as deep as the Marvel Cinematic Universe does. Not a dig on the MCU, but, let's just say creative liberties is an understatement when it comes to representing Norse Mythology.

The primary point of interest boils down basically to the concept of the "exhalted warrior death." As fascism is the ideology of hero worship, on a surface level, this makes sense. Old Norse Culture was one largely defined by conflict and vikinging as a trade.

Many Norse beliefs are shaped by, designed to inspire and exhalt the warrior who fights without fear. Their society in part relied on "the hero warrior."

Couple things though:

1. Not all Norsemen were vikings, and you REALLY aren't one.

You think the Norse belief system was so heavily lazer focused on a single profession in what needed to be an entire functioning community everyone that wasn't a viking was poopooed to damnation and/or a dishonorable life? No bitch. "Hel" in Norse mythology is just where the dead ARE. It's a very morally neutral place to be. Hel be vibin'. Odin, Freya, and possibly Njord were collecting souls for a very specific reason. That being . . .

2. The souls of warriors were being brought to Valhalla (among other places) to train for a final battle THEY WERE DESTINED TO LOSE.

Y'all fucking forgot about Ragnorok didn't you? The souls in Valhalla are being conscripted to a suicide mission. It's a place of honor to be chosen, but it's not a reward.

The training is apparently honestly a bitch in a half in it of itself supposedly. I guess you get god mead, though. Sit next to Odin at the big boy table, maybe. An afterlife of pain and awaiting doom for beer and for daddy to notice you.

That's the thing, though. Valhalla isn't supposed to be Heaven. It aligns with many other Norse Myths in that it exhalts to bravery in the face of certain annihilation. Valhalla as a function of beleif designed to psychologically break past the human instinct to prioritize self-preservation. The quality in which it exhalts is not the hero's death, but embracing doom. THAT'S WHY Odin chose warriors who died WITH WEAPON IN HAND, as in, they already faced one destruction, they can face another.

The army of Valhalla weren't even the only deaths of honor Odin recognized one could achieve. The Volva were all very much in Hel once they died, and they are all distinguished as Odin's special little future-seeing squad in the mythos too. And that's JUST Odin, ignoring the other gods who chose souls for their armies.

Norse mythology, ironically to the point of head-exploading farce, spits in the face of the concept of the Hero's Death as defined by fascism. "Dying for the cause" is a Christian/Abrahamic value that they are retroactively interjecting into Norse belief because historical self-insert fanfiction that is the Arian Mythos. There's no fucking point in training and fighting in Ragnorok, everyone is destined to fail, everyone knows it, and that's the fucking point.

The concept of Ragnorok and Valhalla was not even universal among the Norsemen. The inevitability of death and rebirth is just kind of a given as a natural truth in most pagan beliefs. Everyone you know and love is going to die, and then something else will come from the ashes. Literally "chill bro it be like that sometimes."

And if that's not enough to convince you fascists don't actually know shit about Norse mythology, I can tell you all about how fucking gay it is.

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howfarethestars · 6 months

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Thor was shown all arrogant in the beginning of Thor 1 and people always talk about it but none of them mention how Thor humbled down the very moment and looked like a kicked puppy when Odin yelled at him that he has betrayed his loved ones.

Thor's arrogance was mostly bc of him trying to live up to all the expectations that was put upon him from the start, crown prince Thor, heir to the throne, protector of all the realms, big brother Thor. Thor can't be weak, Thor can't be nervous, Thor has to set an example before everyone.

I don't even think that Thor considered loki lesser than him, for him Loki was his equal.

Loki thought Thor was getting more attention from Odin when his brother was getting burdened with more responsibilities and duties while Loki either studies or engaged in mischief for most of the time. Sad

YES!!!! “kicked puppy” is how i always describe thor in that scene 😭 the thing about thor, even when he is being arrogant and impulsive, is that he never acts with any real malice. he was pissed at the jotuns for interrupting his coronation, and it was petty, yes, but like…enemies of the throne attacked their weapons vault in broad daylight? thor was not wrong in saying that it was an act of war. it was. and you’re RIGHT. as soon as odin starts yelling thor realizes that his actions were rash and fueled by anger and confusion and he literally starts crying when odin tells him that he had betrayed his loved ones and friends. “you cannot even protect your friends, how can you hope to protect a kingdom?”

and YEAH !!! every single time thor expresses any kind of ambition or rage, he immediately turns to odin for reassurance. “just as you did father” when he’s a kid to “just as they feared you” to “let‘s finish them together!!” right in the heat of battle. thor literally just wants odin’s approval

and no, thor definitely does not see loki as lesser than himself. loki is quite literally the only one who is ever actually able to talk sense into thor. thor seeks council from loki and loves him so fucking much

yeah :/ it’s kind of a classic miscommunication. loki wants what thor has (odin’s attention) and thor wants what loki has (odin’s lack of attention) and neither of them realize they’d be better off without their father anywhere near them

#thor meta #loki meta #anti odin #marvel #mcu #i have a lot of feelings

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bayzadas · 2 years

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sometimes i will think that i love mcu but then i’ll also remember that in the mcu they victim blame when it comes to child abuse. fuck why. why

#imagine saying the child is being ungrateful to their abuser #loki and tony deserved way better dude #anti odin #fuck odin actually #there’s nothing great about him #anti howard stark #you were my greatest creation my ass #he’s not your creation #he’s his own person #you can’t claim him asshole #tony stark #loki #loki deserves better #pro tony stark #tony stark deserves better #anti mcu

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impossible3girl · 1 year

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I kinda see a similarity between these two trios.

The father who thinks he is better than everyone and is a huge brat mistreating people who are different from him and what he values. Both die at some point in the story.

The son who looks a lot like the father and is a lot like him but only a bit of a brat. During the story he grows up and matures and is no longer a brat at all. He starts to really care about the black haired guy and understands his pain. He sometimes wears clothes with red and gold.

The black haired with a black/ green aesthetic who has a different background/origin from the father and always got treated bad by him (only diference James was not Snapes father figure) He also got neglected by his biological father. As a result he became cold and did some very bad things including working with the big bad villain of the whole series. He cares very deeply about the wife of the father and was completely devastated when she died and helped protect the one thing she died for. In the end he gets killed by the big bad villain protecting the son.

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We also have some similarities between Frigga and Lily. But I would say unlike Lily Frigga never stoped caring for and protecting the black haired guy despited all the bad things he did.

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sapphyreopal5 · 9 months

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Hey, from the divination work that you do, regarding Jensen, I will be honest with you, I get the feeling there's a lot of leeches around him, people who only want to use his fame and popularity for their own personal gain, I started to follow Jensen because of The Boys, and in such a short time, I'm feeling such creepy vibes from misha, is that just me being critical about him or he is a leech, an opportunist using Jensen?

Hello Anon, thank you for the ask. My guides don't talk about Misha all that much but they have mentioned him recently. Someone sent me a video of Misha and Jared almost getting into a fight backstage apparently after Misha kissed Jensen onstage. Not sure when that video was from (did end up finding one from 2014) but it is possible that Jensen simply played it cool and "acted" more happy onstage afterwards but was actually uncomfortable with it. Odin did say "Misha is a little p*ssy a** b*tch period" when I asked about that backstage video. My guides did tell me also that he is borderline as far as being redeemed versus condemned. I will say that his redemption is a very interesting one...

From what I know about Misha, he's lied about being poor growing up, tends to feed into the "heller" side of the fandom, etc. all for attention. He's had to come out straight at one point, and essentially seems to flip flop even his own so called sexuality to appease to whatever crowd he feels will get him the most time in the spotlight. Your instincts are correct that Misha is a leech and an opportunist, and also that there's many people surrounding Jensen who have ulterior motives. Jensen unfortunately has very few people he can count as true friends from what Odin and Hermes along with other deities have told me...

#anti misha #misha collins #jensen ackles #spn family #spn cast #supernatural #divination #hermes #deities #odin #hades #psychic #psychic messages #celebrity readings #jared padalecki #j2

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kcheel · 1 year

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"To crave answers is to be a slave to the mask"

#Atreus joined Odin's emo band (Atreus run)#i think the mask could drive its wearer crazy with prolonged interaction (hi to Nox and eliacube from Wakfu 👍)#God of War #GOW #Atreus #God of War Ragnarok #GOWR #Odin #also the slogan is a reworked anti-smoking propaganda #smt I'll pst smth

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trekkiehood · 4 months

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Thor is just the story of someone who spent their life abused, getting revenge on their abusers and honestly I have no sympathy for the house of Odin.

#thor #loki deserves better #loki laufeyson #anti thor #anti odin

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beheworthy · 2 years

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Thor: Love, Thunder, and Character Regression

[Disclaimer: This essay talks negatively about Thor: Ragnarok (2017) and its director. Please do not read if you like them.

Major SPOILERS for Thor: Love and Thunder (2022)

Word count - 4.5k words

I suppose I should give a Table of Contents, given that word count:

1. Introduction 2. Credit where it’s due 3. Things sneakily changed from Thor3 4. Thor’s character regression 5. The issue with the end of his arc 6. History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce 7. Thor & Jane 8. So where do we go from here?

Shout out to my partner in crime Rachel @notallthosewho-wanderarelost for providing information about everything Marvel as I personally don’t follow anything outside the hammer guy.

Without further ado, let’s go.]

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It’s something to see that Thor: Love and Thunder (Thor4) is getting praise for Natalie Portman’s portrayal of Dr. Jane Foster, Christian Bale’s turn as the villain Gorr The God Butcher, and Chris Hemsworth and Natalie’s chemistry. Because it’s getting criticism for director Waititi’s relentless comedy, tone, writing, direction, and writing of Thor as dumb and funny.

Which is interesting because Thor: Ragnarok (Thor3) had the exact same problem with even less of a plot as 80% of it was improv. Thor4 at least attempts to have a story and arc for Thor with themes and stuff, whereas Thor3 was just an orgy of anus jokes. But suddenly the comedy is a problem and the characters feel like caricatures to people. Now everyone wants serious Thor.

I, for one, am glad the world has finally caught on.

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galaxythreads · 1 year

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Do you have any theories as to why Thor describes himself and Loki as both being eight in that snake story? That line always takes me out. I can't make it make sense. Thanks.

I really only have the one: Loki and Thor were raised as twins.

And the WAY that Frigga and Odin got away with THAT is. Ha.

I've got two ideas, (both of which I want to explore in more detail in a fic at some point):

Jotuns age a little faster than Asgardians, so Loki being 1053 is the same as being 1500 as an Aesir. Odin then lied to Loki about his actual birth date until Thor 1 and raised them as twins, Loki being the younger, but it was fine because BIOLOCIALLY they were about the same age anyway so the discrepancy was fine.

If this is what happened, then the Jotun/Asgardian war was about 400 years long and Thor and Frigga were hidden that entire time so Frigga could BS her way through a "Yes it was twins" without too much trouble. Who's going to counter it? The servants attending Frigga were sworn to secrecy and Loki was hidden from the public until he and Thor looked enough of the same age that it was passable. They blamed Loki's lack of public appearance on sickness instead of literal house arrest.

Could potentially explain why Loki feels perpetually locked up, because even if Loki was young, being hidden away as a kid constantly would be something that would impact you as an adult. Also give him major trust issues about his memories.

OR.

(and this is the one that I find much worse personally), but Loki and Thor were raised as twins. Loki does not age differently than Aesir. He is the equivalent of about 17-20 in Thor 1 and Thor is 20-24. Loki is told he is 20-24 and assumes that this must be true because it's not like he remembers to dispute it. Loki does not know that he is significantly biologically younger than Thor.

Again, Loki is kept from the public until he looks old enough to pass as Thor's twin brother, if sickly, and Asgard accepts this as fact.

Thor 1 happens. Loki then learns that he's Laufey's son and does some rapid math. He is not Thor's twin brother. In fact, he is about 400 years younger than he was told. If Loki and Thor were raised as twins, it would make them competing for the throne make a little more sense and Frigga and Odin hiding this from him just that much worse.

Anyway, so the point is that Thor doesn't always remember that, oh yeah, we are, uh, not the same age because he grew up with that habit and just said that because for most of their life, Thor and Loki thought they were the same age anyway.

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That said, the ACTUAL reason this is in the movie is because:

link to article

But this age discrepancy actually isn't Chris Hemsworth's fault, amazingly. To my knowledge, Loki and Thor were not actually confirmed to have any gap between them throughout the Thor films. That was something we as an audience just inferred. In fact, I've seen people do 1 year and 2 and 3. I typically do 4, to match the centuries between them. So like, it's kind of an iffy thing to begin with.

INFINTY WAR is actually where the inconsistencies start. Thor says "you know, I'm 1500 years old..." and then the entire audience is scrambling for an explanation. This is also the first movie that Hela is said to be Thor's half-sister. (As far as Ragnarok is concerned, from what I can remember, it has been a minute, she and Thor are full-blood siblings.)

The infinity War writers apparently didn't double-check any of this against Ragnarok, which is vaguely funny to me given that Infinity War opens with the aftermath of Ragnarok.

So the story's ages actually work perfectly fine in Ragnarok. It's after you watch Infinity War that things start to backpedal. Which fun fact, I joined MCU in like June of 2017 or something, so by the time I actually got around to writing fic and thinking about this, Infinity War had already come out so I just assumed that the lack of an age gap was ignorance on Ragnarok's fault. But Loki and Thor being twins makes the most sense to me, not just with Ragnarok, but a lot of other things add up in that direction as well.

(but i cannot trust MCU to stick to basic facts like how old a character is. Wanda has had the same problem, where they bumped up her age by 5-6 years for WandaVision (and retconned her and Pietro's origin story ). And Natasha. and Steve. And Bucky and-- oh my gosh someone please just write this down for the writers)

#loki #thor #thor meta #loki meta #ragnarok meta #anti mcu ish #hela #ragnarok #snake story #odin's a+ parenting #loki and odin #loki and frigga #thor 1 #iw #loki and thor being twins #answered #anon

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musclesandhammering · 7 months

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A possibility we don’t talk about enough: Laufey loved Loki (& didn’t actually abandon him) and Odin (via centuries of grooming) tricked Loki into killing his own father for him.

#just like… imagine Loki’s heartbreak if he ever actually found that out #like Odin is a coloniser who stole home from his loving home #and then he brainwashed him into murdering the father he stole him from #I’m feral over this #anti odin #Laufey #loki laufeyson #Thor 2011 #loki meta

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thiswaycomessomethingwicked · 1 year

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the older I get, the more fiercely do I champion the spite filled approach of “you will rip my democratic civic rights and duty from my cold dead hands” and I think it’s a view the youth(tm) in the US and Canada need to take on board

#politics #just thinking about those 450+ anti queer laws in the offing of being passed in the US #it’s coming for canada too #mark my words here #us politics #Canadian politics #in 2-4 years canada will be following america #provided we don’t make active attempts to stop that from happening #Canada should not forget we are the originators of the proud boys #that things like the sons of Odin thrive in Hamilton and Halifax

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ellena-asg · 2 years

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#Marvel #MCU #Thor #Odin #Loki #Thor (2011)#The Avengers #Thor: The Dark World #TDW - the last Asgardian movie #Kenneth Branagh #Joss Whedon #Alan Taylor #anti thor ragnarok #anti post ragnarok era #Asgard 2011-2013 forever #Disney negativity #a good open ending is always better than a bad next part

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