#he did so for the tva when he thought it was his life's purpose

[tsuyoiqueen]

i just had the saddest thought and i need to share it. what upsets me the most about the finale is not the fact that mobius and loki are separated and alone as of now, because given that they're the only two who didn't get any semblance of a happy ending that only proves how much they need each other and the logical conclusion is that no matter how long it takes, they will meet again. it doesn't matter that they're worlds apart; it's like the legend of the sun and the moon, they're only ever together during eclipses but they are.

no, what upsets me is the fact that they parted the way they did, with mobius feeling like loki perceives him as a second option, as he's left him behind to follow sylvie and even that big declaration of "i know what kind of god i need to be... for you" was ambiguous. it's the fact that mobius probably feels like he doesn't have a place in this world because the one person he chose to spend his existence with couldn't choose him, couldn't stay for him in the end. it's the fact that he loved loki exactly as he was and supported him through everything for god knows how long. he watched him on a screen, saw his entire life unfold over and over again and then got to be a part of it, got to fight for the freedom of the multiverse by his side and they won but at what cost? at the cost of having the chance to go back to his old life or staying at the job he dedicated eons to and knowing none of these places will ever feel like home again. because it's not about where, when or why. it's about who.

#someone has definitely talked about this before #mobius' post-loki depression is so real #but it's the fact that mobius doesn't know loki did this FOR HIM. that loki made the decision after talking to mobius in the past #that they had a tearful goodbye and loki couldn't bring himself to let go of his hand until he absolutely had to #like he doesn't know how much he means to loki!!! #it's the miscommunication part that kills me #if they had at least parted on good terms i wouldn't feel that sad about the finale #because really it's just a matter of time until they meet again #but will mobius search for loki now? knowing that it was loki's decision to leave him again #knowing that the person loki loves is living the life he's granted them and finding her place in this world #but how can mobius move on if he doesn't have anywhere to go? he's lost and he's hurt and he's confused #because mobius loves with his whole heart. he gives all of himself #he did so when it came to ravonna #he did so for the tva when he thought it was his life's purpose #and he absolutely did it for loki #it's the fact that he doesn't know it's mutual that's killing me!!! #anyways. that's today's heartbreak post. follow me for more pain #mobius m. mobius #loki laufeyson #loki #loki series #lokius #marvel #sad thoughts #aryspeaks

[art-ro-vert]

Was thinking about how Mobius does not know that Loki defended him in front of Sylvie, and in his eyes: they argued, Loki took Sylvie’s side and then left for good.

So head canon, that Mobius is sure that all of this was for Sylvie. That Loki wanted to give her a chance and a life she wanted, and that he cared only for her. That all Mobius was for Loki is a useful acquaintance in the TVA, not even a real friend.

And so he makes it his purpose to make sure that Sylvie is happy and fine, because that is what Loki wanted. And he neglects his own well-being fully, because surely it is not of importance anymore.

And he talks to Loki often hoping he could hear, but he only tells about Sylvie. Reassuring that she is happy and well and trying to explain all the little details about her life, so Loki would feel closer to her. And sometime he talks about b-15 and OB and Cassy. But never about himself…Because surely Loki does not care and even if he did, there is nothing to tell…

And then one day they fight agains Timely’s varient and he aims at Sylvie with a weird gun, and Mobius just jumps in front of her and takes a shot to his chest, because he cannot risk it. If Sylvie dies than Loki’s sacrifice would hold no meaning anymore.

They take Mobius to TVA med bay. He is hurt badly, holding on the verge but still alive.

And then the next day after the incident with Mobius still out, they see something weird happening to the timelines.

The one where they fought seems to be getting enormous amount of energy practically glowing with it, while a few others die.

And for the next week more branches die and all the construction seems to be trembling and falling little by little. And then it occurred to them that Loki does not know that Mobius is alive, because they took him out of Loki’s sight to TVA.

So Sylvie goes on the timeline and talks to Loki

“I am sorry we did not tell you earlier, but you should know that he is alive. Still out and we are not sure how much it will take for him to heal, but he should be okay. I know you got scared but you need to get a hold of it, the branches are dying.

He will be okay, I promise. I will put him on timeline for you to see once he is healed enough. Just please hold on, Loki…”

And then when Mobius finally wakes up, still weak and totally surprised that he is alive, Sylvie gives him a talk.

“Why would you do something so stupid! I am God, Mobius, I would have dodged it. Or even if I did not, I would heal in no time!”

“I did not want to take that chance. We did not know what kind of weapon that was”

“So you thought it’s okay to try that out on yourself? When you are just human?”

“My life is expendable… yours is of value”

“What the hell are you talking about?”

“Loki left because he loved you and wanted for you to live, his sacrifice should have a meaning. And I am ready protect this meaning with my life”

“And do you think he would not care if you are gone?”

“Why would he care? I did my part as a TVA agent for him, what else can my existence possible bring?”

“That does not matter Mobius! He does care, you dumb man! He almost killed the branches trying to heal you with his magic!”

“He did what…?”

“He tried to power the timeline where you got shot with the magic, a few others died in the process. It was all unstable for a week like he was loosing control, before I went on the timeline to let him know you are alive…

Mobius, he does it for you! He is out there holding the multiverse, so you could live as long as you are given, and you dare to say your life is expendable?

“He did it for you Sylvie… He loves you…”

“Yes, he did, and he did it for all of us in a sense. And he loves all of us of course, me included but like a friend and a part of himself. While he loves you so much more than that!

He told me... When we argued and he went after me. He told me you changed him like Jane changed Thor. You gave him hope, Mobius, you gave him acceptance and your kindness. You made him who he is and he loves you so much. And he really wants you to be happy and have a choice!

I thought you knew…”

And at that Mobius is crying, because that is all he ever wanted to be enough for Loki.

#so yeah #if anyone is up to write it #go ahead #i am too lazy to do it myself #lokius #loki series #loki season 2 #loki #mobius m mobius #mobius #lokius fanfic #lokius forever #character study #loki x mobius

[nightcolorz]

Unhinged Sybelle and Benji tangent (cw references to abuse csa trauma etc)

yeah so Marius’s turning of Benji and Sybelle isn’t about whether or not that was the right decision to make and isn’t made better by their contentment living as vampires in late canon. Benji and Sybelle’s relatively happy lives as vampires are irrelevant to me. The cruelty of how he did it is made worse by the hypocritical nature of turning a kid into a vampire after so firmly insisting that turning children is morally abhorrent and smth he should’ve never done, yeah, but that’s only a small part of it.

It was so awful and upsetting to me bcus of the deliberate stripping of Armand’s agency. See, we have a whole book where Armand tells the story of how throughout his entire life and childhood he was forced into the role of submissiveness and/or dependency. whether that be his childhood religious devotion that would eventually lead to his being buried alive for God or being sold into sexual slavery or Marius’s mentorship of him that ultimately intended to teach him to stay loyal and dependent on Marius’s authority to Marius’s relationship with him sexual and otherwise to the cult indoctrination, up until Lestat comes along and tilts his own view of submission and devotion as his only way to survive and function in the world onto its head.

He gives him a theater and then he gives him Louis. Armand floats around, tries to find purpose without devotion through using Louis and Daniel as tools to understanding the modern age. The modern age to Armand is possibility and independence, things he’s never had so much access to and doesn’t know exactly how to apply to himself until the devils minion chapter when he’s like ah ok I get it, life without devotion is something I’ve always been familiar with—it’s what Marius taught me! I Am The Master now with my excessive indulgence and my Boy and my sea side paradise.

But Armand is a Void™️ with no concept of self besides a collection of concepts and experiences and people he’s been exposed to throughout his existence, so rlly he’s kind of a fraud. Internally he’s still a saint who yearns for a God to follow, he’s no Marius, and this all comes to a head in Memnoch the devil when he throws himself into the sun for Jesus etc. and so TVA Armand is mixed the fuck up, he’s lost everything he’s been building for himself, he’s like an open wound, like red and gold sand art shaken around until it’s sludges of brown.

Armand believes himself to have no coherent narrative of a life, no coherent and consistent sense of self, just a collection of unrelated sequences that he draws from to occasionally preform personhood, and at the beginning of TVA he is very much just that. No thoughts only colors and pain. But he’s trying to rebuild himself as best he can, he has these young humans who he’s caring for, and through caring Armand finds meaning.

These humans are very much reflections of himself, or who he used to be, and seeing a personhood reflected back at him through these two gives him insight into his own value as an individual, as someone who is inherently worthy of having a life. So with Benji and Sybelle he tries to rebuild his own sense of personhood by giving them what he would want in there place. The conclusion he reaches at the end of his story to David is that after everything ultimately he is learning and rebuilding, gaining fulfillment and individuality he’s never had before through his empathy and care for these two people in his life. Benji and Sybelle are representative of Armand’s healing process!!! They mirror him bcus they are him!! He’s literally nurturing his inner child!! And with that there comes self care and self love etc etc. but then the book doesn’t end!!

Then after all that trauma and all that healing everything that Armand was tenderly attempting to build for his new life is stripped away ! When Marius turns Benji and Sybelle it doesn’t matttttter that they like being vampires. What matters is that when Armand finally gained agency and individuality Marius decided to take that from him! Marius decided that he actually knew better then Armand, and if Armand would just allow him to do what’s best for him then everything would be so much better and so much easier. And when Armand starts sobbing and screaming and fighting him that’s just justification to Marius that Armand isn’t capable of independence or self sufficiency, that he’s a child throwing a tantrum who can’t make his own decisions, that he should just be dependent on Marius like he used to be and trust that other people know what’s best for him.

That’s why it’s so tragic! That’s why it’s so frustrating and so sad. Armand was on the road to healing but then Marius stormed in like the symbolic representation of his past telling him that no matter what he does or the progress he makes he’s still Armand in the catacombs, Amadeo on the red sheets, Andrei waiting to be buried alive. So I don’t really give af if ultimately Benji and Sybelle are fine! It’s great that despite being a child vampire Benji is able to function independently and contently as an adult with minimal body dysmorphia and existential dread, but you know who’s not able to do that? Armand 😭😭

#tvc #the vampire chronicles #vampire chronicles #vc #armand #interview with the vampire #iwtv #the vampire armand #benji mahmoud #sybelle tvc #Tvc meta #iwtv meta #VC meta #armand le russe #armand iwtv #armand vc #This was meant to be like a paragraph of rambling wtf happened #Sorry if my tone comes off as condescending I’m just very excited about armand #And I don’t agree with the assertion that Benji and sybelle’s good lives as vampires diminish the impact of their turning

[cleabellanov]

LS2 episode 5 thoughts✨

The conversation Loki had with O.B. first concluded in Loki finding his "why" in order to control the time slipping. And, once he knew that and realized he needs everyone's temporal aura, where does he timeslip to? Back to Mobius. That's a sweet detail, and, similar to episode 1, reveals Loki's trust for this character. Even when Mobius doesn't remember him, Loki still believes in him. And in everything he was told back at the TVA, including the way he describe a jet-ski: "a beautiful union of form and function". Another detail that melted my fool heart was the way Loki laughed after Mobius's (or Don's, but I'm not calling him that) words: "Or did you follow me home?". They are precious.

"You saw something in me that I hadn't seen in myself". That says so much. It reminisces all those times in season 1 when Mobius was by Loki's side:

"A villain" "That's not how I see it".

"You can be whatever, whoever you wanna be. Even someone good. I mean just in case anyone ever told you different".

And we can see Loki learning how to trust, how to care. For his character, this is great development. He's not the same Loki that invaded New York blinded by pain and revenge. He's returning to himself and by doing so, he's returning to what truly matters to him. His friends, his found family. All those timelines he feels burdened to protect.

"It's not about when, where, or why. It's about who." EXACTLY. The other variables are unimportant if they're not in the hands of the right person. And, after the heartbreaking moments in which Loki is the only one left standing after everything falls apart in front of him, I think he understands that. To quote Tom Hiddleston himself: "He learns what heroicism really looks like." And this "who" goes both ways: who rewrites the story, and FOR WHO this is done.

"I can rewrite the story."

That line is epic! It shows the power he always had and can finally access. It puts the concept of free will in another light: it's THE story, not MY story. Also, how far back can this go? At the end of the episode, we see Loki back with O.B back when the Loom was stable. That's the point he chose, for everyone else, not only for himself. At this point, he could have gone back to Asgard, back to New York. Win it all, be king. But that's not his glorious purpose anymore. He's finally seeing what Mobius saw in him, even Thor, some time ago ("Loki, I thought the world of you."). And there was a lot of talk about stories, writing and rewriting them. That's sooo similar to the comic where Loki becomes the God of Stories!! Like, this is actually happening!

"They didn't get a choice in this".

I think this is an extremely interesting conversation he had with Sylvie, in which you can see both of their points, none entirely right. For Sylvie, free will is something left untouched. No intervention, ever, just moments and paths in a disarray only the one who takes them can know them truly. For Loki, it's more of a choice. Yes, we take our own path, but sometimes we're given a choice. There is no bad or right in this game, only choices. By giving everyone a glance at the TVA, Loki realises that. What if they want that life instead of the one they already have? They wouldn't know, if not given the choice.

"I want my friends back. I don't wanna be alone"

Okay, that hurt. In the time cell in episode 1, we remember Sif repeating the same thing over and over again to Loki "I hope you know that you are meant to be alone and you always will be." This says a lot about Loki's fears, and being alone is one of his biggest. But that's the thing, he found these people, he's not alone anymore! So of course it is extremely hard for him to just...give this up? It's not the first time he faces Casey and Mobius (Don?) not knowing him. His reaction "Not again" shows how scary this is, and we can obviously deduce that from the first episode. Not only everything is at risk of just disappearing into a void after the Loom explosion, when they are still there, still living, they don't remember him. Yet Loki finds a way to steady himself, and find everyone in all this mess.

But also, I don't think that wanting your friends back is something selfish, as Sylvie said. After going through different views over the same thing: "I want to stop He Who Remains" to "I want the TVA back" to finally Loki admiting that he wants his friends back, this is a matter that concerns many people, not just one. Besides, he did say that after all of it is done, they can return to their timelines as they never left. That doesn't sound really selfish to me. In fact, it reminds me of something Vision said to Wanda a whole ago: "What is grief, if not love persevering?". Then not wanting to be alone is a lack, a void persevering and waiting to be filled. And if that implies saving the Multiverse as well, then so be it (but that is definitely NOT the only reason Loki does all of this. He wants, and now can, rewrite the story for the better. For everyone, not only for himself.)

As of episode 5: Science/Fiction Loki is one of the most powerful beings in the entire MCU. Being able to travel back at any given point in time and space just by willing it into existence isn't a small thing. This, I believe, is something we deserve to see Loki in control of. Maybe it sounds a little too much to say that the whole fate of Marvel is in his hands now, but...it kinda is, isn't it? If not for Loki, we'd face the same disappearance as in Infinity War, only 100% now, not only 50.

I have been waiting and theorising for a long time that Loki will become the God of Stories. The fact that we might see it in less than a week is...something.

Also judging by the posters (which show different outfits from different times) there's a new suit we'll see him in on screen, and I can't wait!

Thanks for reading <3

#fangirling #loki #tom hiddleston #sylvie #mobius #god of stories #GOD OF STORIES!!! #agent of asgard #agent of asgard comic book #genderfluid loki #lokius

[lettingtimepass]

Lokius Nation we won, but at what costs? A quick breakdown of my thoughts on the Loki Finale!

Watch on the Clock App

Transcript below!

Let’s talk about the Loki Finale.

Spoilers incoming.

Sighs deeply

As Twitter user Han (@hansoeii) put it, Lokius Nation, we won, but at what cost?

Now you might be thinking, but we didn’t get a Lokius kiss or a love confession, how could we have won?!

Let me explain…

In episode 5, when Loki is talking to Slyvie at the bar, he talks about how he wants to give his friends - and Mobius - the chance to choose. To choose to stay at the TVA or to have a life on the branch if they want. Of course, he wants Mobius to choose to have a life with him - but after the time loops and talking with HWR, he realizes this isn’t possible because he’s the only person who can make the difficult choice - To give up his own life to give everyone else the chance to choose. To finally accept his Glorious Purpose, his burden, as Mobius puts it.

The other heartbreaking part is that Loki doesn’t talk to “his” Mobius before making his decision. Because if he did, Mobius wouldn’t have let him make that decision. He wouldn’t have let him go alone. That's why Loki can’t say anything before heading down those steps.

But after all this - Mobius realizes he doesn’t have a purpose at the TVA without Loki. So he goes down to the branch to see Don and his boys - the life he could have had.

Apologies I can’t find the post, but on Tumblr someone pointed out that Mobius might have left the TVA just so Loki could see him on branch. Since the TVA exists outside of time, Loki, and formerly HWR probably can’t see directly into it, which is probably partly why HWR created Miss Minutes to keep an eye on the TVA and report back.

So Mobius goes down to a branch and stands in the light. Sylvie joins him. When we cut between these two, we see this green and gold light around only Mobius. Green and gold? Do I have to spell it out?

Finally at the end it’s revealed that Loki is watching the conversation, but we specially hear Mobius’ words echo across time. Let time pass.

I absolutely adore this post from @makkarisbelova, “Mobius wanted to just stand there and let time pass simply to feel himself in a timeline sitting in the palm of Loki’s hand.”

Loki was watching, and Mobius knew.

The fact that Mobius and then Loki are the last shots of the show solidified that whether you consider them romantic partners or best friends, their friendship is the center - the heart - of the show.

Obviously this is extremely heartbreaking and feels like it’s perpetuating the trope where gay people are never allowed to be together. BUT I will give you one more breadcrumb.

Tumblr user @kcscribbler pointed out that Loki's magic includes duplication-casting, along with time manipulation. Theoretically, he could cast a duplicate of himself into any timeline, without leaving his new throne.

So I think at some point, whether it’s right after the screen cuts to black or perhaps sometime after when they’re both ready, Loki casts a projection down to Mobius’ branch and he’s able to talk to him and explain why he did what he did. Then Mobius can finally have closure, because remember, he has no idea that Loki went through thousands of time loops trying to fix the loom. Loki can finally have all the time in the world to explain everything to Mobius, including confessing his true feelings.

It’s still not a perfect, happy ending by any means, but all things considered, I think the writers and of course the actors understood how special and important this relationship is. So please don’t be discouraged that we didn’t get a happy ending. Please keep creating art, writing fic, posting your theories, and loving them. And since we now have an infinite multiverse… everything is possible 💚

#did i just essentially write an essay on Lokius just for fun? #Yes I did #I hope this was succinct enough! #interested to see how it does on tiktok #Loki #Loki Series #Loki Tik Tok #Loki Video Essay #Loki Season 2 #Loki Finale #Loki Show #Loki Spoilers #Lokius #Lokius Nation #Loki analysis #loki theories #Mobius #Mobius. M. Mobius

[mimisempai]

The time to live

Summary

Mobius, alone, settles into his new life, between routine visits to check on Don and his children and regular visits to his friends at the TVA. But as much as he tries not to think about the absence of the one whose name he is unable to pronounce, even in thought, the emptiness becomes impossible to ignore.

Notes

I couldn't let them be separated, so here is a continuation from season 2. First story of a new series where they will get together and finally learn to live. Canon compliant to S1 and S2. 

On Ao3

Rating G - 2250 words

An insistent beam of light that had managed to pass through the blinds forced Mobius to wake up.

He slowly opened his eyes to adjust to the light, then stretched before standing up after a few seconds. 

As he had done every morning for the past few weeks, he went to the bathroom, did his morning routine, and shaved before heading to his closet to decide what to wear today.

He still had a little trouble deciding what to wear after spending centuries in the same suit. 

It was the middle of summer and it was going to be another hot day, so he decided on a pair of denim Bermuda shorts and a khaki green linen shirt. He absolutely refused to consider the fact that green was the main color trend in his wardrobe.

Once dressed, he made his way to the living room and open kitchen to prepare his breakfast.  He glanced at the weekly schedule hanging on the refrigerator door to see what he had planned for today. 

Even though he wasn't working anymore, he'd kept some of the discipline he'd had at the TVA, and planning things, no matter how insignificant, gave him a sense of purpose now that he no longer had one.

He swallowed the lump that formed in his throat every time he thought about it and concentrated on the calendar in front of him.

Visit to Cleveland

Since he lived in another state to make sure he didn't run into Don and his kids, he went there once a week to check on them. To make sure they were okay and that life was going on as it should be for them.

He saw that the next day would be his weekly visit to TVA and looked forward to meeting his former colleagues and now friends. They tried to get him to come back each time, not always subtly, but Mobius refused each and every time.

He was far from ready.

If he ever would be.

Without... 

He couldn't even say his name in his mind. 

Without Him, his work no longer had much taste, and above all, there were far too many things that reminded Mobius of Him. Too many memories connected to Him.

Mobius sighed and said softly for himself, as he often did, "When will I be able to think of you again and not feel so empty?"

There were so many questions.

So many things to tell him that he hadn't been able to.

They hadn't even had a proper goodbye.

He shook his head. 

Once again, he refused to face the pain.

He knew that if he stopped even once to think about it, he wouldn't be able to get over it.

He had to keep going.

Mobius concentrated on preparing his breakfast, taking advantage of the fact that his terrace was still in the shade to eat it there while reading the newspaper of the day.

When he'd finished, he tidied up the kitchen, then, after checking the time, his old tempad in hand, he went down to his basement and conjured a time door, which he walked through.

He had found a discreet place to appear unnoticed and made his way to Don's house. Now that he had a rough idea of the family's schedule, he always arrived at the same time Don was taking the children to school.

He only had to wait a few minutes to see the man and his children rush out of the house before heading to the car. As always, they were bickering or laughing together, looking happy and healthy. 

Mobius smiled softly and followed the car with his eyes until it rounded the corner, before he returned to where he'd arrived with the Time Door and went home. In his basement.

He walked back into the living room and sighed, as always after checking on Don and the boys, he didn't feel like doing anything.

Although the TVA, now wisely run by B15 and Judge Gamble, had paid him handsomely for his loyal service, Mobius had chosen this medium-sized house in a modest neighborhood. There was a lot of work to be done inside and out, and he had begun renovating the exterior, taking advantage of the summer that occupied most of his time.

Which was ideal when you didn't want to think.

He picked up his current book from the arm of the sofa and, after grabbing a cold beer from the fridge, opened the sunshade before settling into one of the deck chairs on the terrace. It was one of the science fiction books that O.B. had recommended, and he read it with dedication, knowing that the next time they met, the scientist would ask him about his reading.

He took a break from his book in the early afternoon to prepare a small brunch, and when he was done, he took a short nap on the sofa in the freshness of the house before returning to the terrace to continue his reading.

Much later, as he closed the book he'd just finished, he noticed that the sun was now low over the ocean and went to prepare dinner, which he ate on the kitchen counter.

When he'd put everything away, he walked barefoot down the small path from his terrace to the beach. 

It was a little tradition he'd started since moving here.

A walk along the beach, which was mostly deserted. A moment he allowed himself to clear his mind and just walk aimlessly. Only aware of the smell of the sea air, the warm sand under his feet and the sound of the sea coming and going.

After an hour, as the sun met the ocean on the horizon, just before returning to his house, Mobius stopped to face it, and with his hands on his hips, he watched the sky.

Tonight, for the first time, he dared to utter the name that had refused to pass his lips for so many weeks.

He breathed, "Loki..."

Then, he exhaled deeply and repeated with a lump in his throat, "Loki...where are you?"

"I'm here."

Mobius gasped and froze.

It was probably the sound of the sea, or just him projecting his illusions, right? 

"Mobius..."

Wait... it couldn't be another illusion, could it?

He still didn't dare to turn around, the thought of encountering nothing but emptiness was too unbearable. He didn't dare to hope. Until suddenly a hand rested gently on his shoulder, forcing him to turn around.

Which Mobius did, slowly.

There he gasped again and fell to his knees on the sand in shock.

Over and over again he whispered, "It's impossible, it's impossible."

Closing his eyes, refusing to believe what he was seeing, he heard a faint laugh that sounded so familiar. A laugh he thought he'd never hear again.

Then two hands grabbed his shoulders and gently helped him to his feet as Loki's voice said softly, "Mobius, it's me. I'm here."

Loki let go of him and they stood face to face, staring at each other in silence, hesitant. Mobius still found it hard to believe and had to stop himself from reaching out to check if Loki was really there, in front of him.

He wanted to give in to joy and relief, but he could not. The fear that it was all an illusion was too real.

However, just as he had done that day in front of the Time Door in the Void, it was Loki who took the first step and wrapped his arms around Mobius to embrace him. 

As his arms tightened around Loki in response, Mobius exhaled for a long time, finally daring to believe that this was real.

Loki was there.

Against him.

He was in his arms.

Mobius couldn't help gripping Loki's shirt, afraid he would disappear before his eyes, and as if sensing Mobius' inner turmoil, Loki whispered into his hair as he tightened his embrace around him, "I'm here, Mobius. It's real. I'm really here. This is me."

After a few moments, Mobius reluctantly withdrew, unable to prevent the sense of loss he felt as soon as he left the warm embrace of Loki's arms.

But he had to know.

"Loki... How... What the..."

Confused, he paused, not even sure where to begin.

Loki smiled, amused, and replied, "It's a bit long to tell like that."

Mobius nodded and chuckled softly before saying, "I have plenty of time."

Loki shook his head and replied, "So do I, but time isn't the problem. I was thinking more of a comfortable place to chat and, I don't know about you, but I could use a drink as well."

Mobius nodded and, still smiling, replied, pointing to his house, "That's fine, I've got everything here, the comfy place and the drinks."

He motioned for Loki to follow him as he walked towards the house. They walked in silence until they were inside.

Mobius then motioned to the sofa and said to Loki, "You can sit here while I get some drinks." Then he added, "With alcohol or without?"

Loki shook his head and replied, "Best to keep a clear head, I think."

Mobius walked over to the open kitchen and, watching Loki out of the corner of his eye, prepared two glasses of lemonade. He still found it hard to believe, even more so when he saw Loki sitting like that in his living room, casually commenting on the decor and furnishings. He couldn't even concentrate on what the god was saying, so surreal did the situation seem.

Mobius joined Loki, placed the two glasses on the coffee table and sat down next to him. It suddenly seemed so domestic to Mobius at that moment that emotion overwhelmed him without warning and, resting his elbows on his knees, he buried his face in his hands.

As Loki's voice whispered his name in a worried tone, he felt his warm hand rest on his shoulder again.

The god asked softly, "Are you all right?"

Mobius took a deep breath and lifted his head, then turning to Loki, who still had his hand on his shoulder, he said with a voice he couldn't hide the emotion in, "I was beginning to resign myself to having lost you forever, to having to live in a world without Loki. So to see you there, like this, casually chatting about my TV furniture, it's... it's too much... I..."

He shook his head and closed his eyes, letting two tears escape. For the first time, he felt close to breaking down and wanted to turn away, but Loki wouldn't let him. He grabbed his shoulders and held him close, whispering in an equally emotional voice, "Oh, Mobius... I know...  I'm so sorry."

Mobius shook his head against Loki's chest and said in a hoarse voice, "No, please don't be sorry. Don't tarnish the greatness of your gesture with regret for me, I beg you. You did what you had to do. You sacrificed yourself for all of us. Don't add my pain to your burden."

Loki shook his head, remembering Mobius' words from the past, "There is no comfort in TVA."

But they weren't TVA anymore. It was time for Mobius to get the comfort he deserved. That he, Loki, get the comfort he deserved as well.

They deserved it. Both of them.

He murmured against Mobius' hair, "Let's not talk about burdens and sacrifices and responsibilities now. Let's just stay like this."

He felt Mobius nod against him and they remained embraced like that on the sofa for long minutes. Just reconnecting.

Enjoying the gesture they had been deprived of.

Before they met again at the TVA.

Before losing each other again.

And it felt good. 

So good.

Just to feel each other again.

A little later, when they let go of each other, Mobius, much calmer, asked, "I'd still like to know how and why."

Loki chuckled slightly and said fondly, "Always the analyst.

Mobius' hand rested between them on the sofa, and Loki moved his slightly hesitantly until they were almost touching. He looked at Mobius expectantly and the other man simply nodded.

Loki's hand slipped over Mobius', who turned it in response, and their fingers immediately intertwined.

Anchored by this contact, Loki replied gently, "The how is a bit long, but the why is very simple. You are the why. Life without you is the why."

Mobius protested, "Loki, you can't abandon your responsibility for m-"

Loki shook his head and put a finger to Mobius' lips before replying softly, "I promise you, Mobius, that's not the case. When I explain how I got here, you'll see there's no risk. I wouldn't have taken the risk if I wasn't completely sure. Don't you trust me?"

Mobius replied reproachfully, "Do you doubt it?"

Loki smiled at the spontaneous answer and replied, "No, of course not."

He looked at Mobius, who looked so eager to know how Loki had gotten here, Mobius who hadn't yet realized what Loki's words about the why implied. 

But it didn't matter. 

They had time.

Time to put into words what they felt.

Smiling softly, he reassured the other man once more about the fate of the universe and began to tell him about the events that had brought him here.

They had all the time in the world.

For once, there was no sword of Damocles preventing them from taking that time.

Taking the time to live.

Together.

_________

Still not beta'd

Still not my native language

Still hoping you'll enjoy this story 🥰

Still thanking you for bearing with me 😝

Timeless Growing love : here (After season 2)

Lokius masterlist : here

#lokius #lokius fics #loki #mobius m mobius #loki x mobius #wowki #moki #time husbands #timefrost #mobius x loki #loki series #loki season 2 #loki season 2 spoilers #loki mobius #mobius loki #post season 2

[sylkishagsuperiority]

It’s fascinating how two years after the show so many people still wholeheartedly believe the TVA propaganda of Loki and Sylvie being “the same person” and that Loki “fell in love with himself”.

Neither of those statements is true beyond the most surface-level interpretation, and while it works for the casual audience on some level (since most of them will look at it like “oh how funny, of course Loki would fall for himself”), it’s also been used to justify a hate campaign on a completely harmless ship.

Loki and Sylvie are only considered “the same person” because when HWR isolated the events of the Sacred Timeline (presumably the sequence of events that would lead to his birth and not any of his variants), he needed everything in every enslaved universe to happen the exact same way. That means every universe had to have the exact same people in it, making the exact same choices over and over again. But because every universe is its own reality, it wasn’t possible to make everything perfectly identical, and it only worked as long as the TVA was pruning branches 24/7. The universe wants to break free, after all. People want to make their own choices. But under HWR’s tyrannical rule, everyone was allowed only one singular path, a role to play.

That’s what “a Loki” is, at the end of the day. A role, an archetype, a catalyst to the Avengers. As long as the person assigned that role fulfilled their part, it didn’t matter if they were a white man, a Black man, a woman or an alligator. But at the end of the day, every person saddled with that role was their own individual. They’re not one person in multiple bodies. They’re not clones. They’re all completely separate, autonomous beings that exist independently of each other.

That’s where the accusations of Sylki being “transphobic” fall flat, because Loki and Sylvie are not, and have never been, the same person. Sylvie was never meant to be a fem Tom!Loki. She’s from a separate universe and never met him until they were both adults and probably well over a thousand years old. She led a completely different life and has entirely different memories, experiences and skill sets. People who purposely reduce her to a female version of someone else only do it so they have an “ethical” argument against the ship, but their misogynistic refusal to see Sylvie as her own separate person doesn’t change the fact that she’s exactly that and always has been. At no point in time did she ever exist as Tom!Loki, nor did he ever exist as her.

The TVA propaganda reduced variants to the same person because they only saw them as their assigned role on the Sacred Timeline and nothing else. And a lot of people bought it without giving it even a moment’s thought. But now that the Multiverse is free, the concept of variants doesn’t even exist anymore. Now there are bound to be universes where there is no Loki at all, or where the “God of Mischief” isn’t Asgardian, or where they don’t have powers, or a million different possibilities. And all of those people are only bound together by temporal aura - the only indicator the TVA used to identify variants, since DNA is useless (once again, Loki and Sylvie are not genetically related, which frankly should be obvious given we’ve seen an alligator variant and now also a Skrull Kang variant). Hell, for all we know, the temporal aura thing might not even work anymore either, given that the universe is free to do as it pleases instead of following a single predetermined path.

Tl;dr: Loki and Sylvie are not the same person, it was TVA propaganda meant to justify their 24/7 genocide of realities, and Loki didn’t fall in love with himself; Sylvie being as different from him as it gets is kind of the whole point.

#sylki #pro sylki #loki series #pro loki series #loki (marvel) #sylvie (marvel) #loki x sylvie

[lokiondisneyplus]

At long last, Loki finally has a throne. It just probably isn’t the throne he thought he’d be sitting on.

The second season of Marvel Studios’ Loki ends with Loki first breaking the Temporal Loom and setting all the timelines free, only to then immediately grab hold of them to keep them safe. He’s giving everyone a chance. It also, unfortunately, means that he’s got a big task on his hands keeping them like this.

Natalie Holt returns to compose the score for Season 2 of the series, and she knew all along Loki was destined for this greatness. While viewers are hearing a lot of the same tunes and melodies from Season 1, there’s a choir seemingly whispering in the music throughout — and they’re calling Loki to his glorious purpose.

With the final episode of Season 2 now streaming on Disney+, Marvel.com hopped on a video call with Holt to talk through all things Loki, and how she almost wrote a rock song for the finale. 

MARVEL: It's been two years with the Loki music just in the zeitgeist. What has it been like watching people respond to the music over the last few years?

NATALIE HOLT: It's just mad. Something that came out of my head is now being played in sports stadiums. To work on a franchise with a character that's so beloved by so many people, it's been just something unbelievable and a moment in my career that I didn't ever expect that I would have the privilege to do.

MARVEL:  We're hearing a lot of the same songs and melodies that we heard in Season 1. But how did you work to change the score for Season 2?

NATALIE HOLT: I think I darkened the score quite a lot. I had played around with a bit more atonality and was using a Geiger counter for the Loom disintegration. Adding to the ticking clocks was also this radiation. And then I was using voices a lot more in Season 2.

I found this poem — this old Edda, the Lokasenna — which is in very old Norse not spoken today. The closest language is Icelandic. I found this Icelandic specialist who helped us use the text in the choir and recorded with these singers in Iceland and then also a giant 40-piece choir in Vienna. I felt like these constant voices were whispering to Loki and calling him to his destiny, which we finally see in Episode 6. And it feels like this big symphonic choral work, which I'm just excited for people to hear.

MARVEL: Do you have a favorite piece or song from Season 2?

NATALIE HOLT: I think it's that ascension moment in Episode 6. It just felt like a culmination of two and a half years. It was a duet with a cello, and the theremin, and this explosion of voices. It's glorious purpose because it's what Loki's always wanted. But a tinge of sadness, because now he's removed from his life and his friends.

I feel like the music, I got to tell that story over the whole journey of working on these two seasons. The piece of music comes like the calm after the storm, when everyone's back in the TVA right at the very end.

Then we see Ravonna Renslayer in the Void with this strange purple thing happening above her. That piece felt very good to record as well. Just those two pieces together, I think those are my two favorite pieces.

MARVEL: I feel like there are a lot of moments of complete silence in Season 2. How did you work to balance that, going from these intense emotional moments right into a score?

NATALIE HOLT: The whole thing of this show is a very collaborative team of people. The three editors were all on Season 1, and these conversations that we're all having about the story and the emotions, even with Tom when I was on set, he was sharing with me this book of poetry that had inspired him for Season 2. He gave me this book, and he was telling me what he discovered in playing the role and wanted to share that with me to inform the music.

The editors have these ideas of what emotions they want in the scene and where they want silence. It feels like such a collaborative process. All the moments of score and silence are carved and created by everyone. Every Wednesday — I miss it, actually. For six months, we were meeting every Wednesday reviewing everything and watching it together. So, it just feels very crafted and thoughtful.

MARVEL: For Season 1, He Who Remains theme was hidden throughout the season as part of the TVA's overall theme. Were you doing any of that for Season 2- hiding music, hinting at what was going to happen?

NATALIE HOLT: Yeah, the Icelandic voices come together. They're calling him to his destiny. And then at the end of episode six, he's ascending to his throne. So, I was teasing that ascension all the way through, and teasing these whispering and voices for this big explosion of the crowning in episode six.

MARVEL: Was it like creating a score for a God?

NATALIE HOLT: It did feel quite something regal about it and something divine. I think we connect those choral works with a sort of religion. All those elements fed into that score, as well as the Icelandic Norse traditions that I've been trying to put those hardanger fiddle and nyckelharpa fiddles and give Loki a sense of heritage. So, it's all there.

MARVEL: I'd like to ask about my favorite music moment in Episode 6, which is going into the end credits. Suddenly there's a guitar riff we’ve never heard before, and it goes so hard. Can you talk about creating that Episode 6 moment?

NATALIE HOLT: I wanted to write a song [for Loki]. I'd been working in the studio with a songwriter, trying to come up with a song using the Loki theme. Kevin Feige just said, “I don't like having lyrics here. It feels too leading.”

But what is left is this sort of underneath of a song. It seemed to work better without lyric's help, because when you add lyrics into a song it does make it very specific. So yeah, it has the feel of a sort of rockier version of the theme though.

#natalie holt #soundtrack #loki

[delyth88]

My immediate I-just-finished-watching-Loki-episode-4 reaction post

There be spoilers ahead.  Oh damn there be spoilers!

Okay.  Firstly, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

Secondly, that was awesome!

Thirdly, so many things!  In no particular order…

Did they just create the Kang problem?  By spagettifying Timely near the Loom did they just somehow seed the multiverse with Kang variants who know more than they should?

“I don’t know”. Agh!  What does this mean! Why is this important to Loki?  What has he just realised? “What’d we do wrong?” “I don’t know”.

The time loop scene was just beautiful! I loved how they cut to Loki from the past and it took me a couple of seconds to realise that wasn’t our present Loki. (Not that I’m complaining, I could happily watch him running desperately through the TVA for a long time lol.) I’d had a feeling the show was going to tie back to the time slipping thing more strongly in this episode so had just rewatched episode 1, for which I am very glad. Made following things a little easier. But it was also great to be able to more closely compare the scene to the on in my memory from ep 1.  I totally thought it was going to be Loki on the phone too though, so that it was OB was almost a disappointment lol!  I’d thought perhaps it was going to be a future version of Loki making the call at that time to bring his past self to that location to be pruned. But unless things are even more convoluted than they appear it seems it wasn’t a call from anyone with that purpose in mind.

The music that starts playing as present Loki realises what’s going on and makes the decision to prune his past self – is that the beginnings of a heroic theme for him!?  Eeeee!  (I feel like it’s going to be my deathbed wish to see Loki straight up play the hero in something, lol!)  Even if not, the music here was great!  From tense and creepy to determined and uplifting!  I didn’t notice it on first viewing, it was just there unconsciously guiding how I felt, but clearly being very effective!

So. That ending eh? OMG! I was NOT expecting that!!!

I was genuinely shocked at the spaghettification.  And then how quickly the Loom went critical and that they actually showed us how everyone handled their last moments.  Mobius disbelieving, Sylvie and OB quietly resigned, B-15 terrified, and Loki, with tears in his eyes, facing death head on.  Lmao.O does that count as another death for Loki? *cackles madly* Also, so THAT’S what that shot from the trailer was from.  No wonder he looked so… much.

And then OMG!  The flickering lights! That was so well done!  Now you’re gonna laugh, but my TV and living room lights regularly flicker and the TV turns off. Something about the wifi and picking up signals from phones and alarms.  For instance it always turns off at 9pm when my alarm goes off.  So you can imagine why it took me watching the final scene three times before I was convinced it wasn’t a technical glitch at my end.  LOL! 

I love how it’s tied in with the flickering of the lights in the TVA itself. And I love how it works as a symbol for a glitch in time itself – which is what I assume these events have caused.  And the music over the end credits – good lord I still have shills! It’s all so very wrong! Like reality is disintegrating. Like a Dali painting. It’s sooo uncomfortable!  And so very, very, well done!  Such a fantastic blend of the show with reality!  Agh! I love it!  I also love that this is something new, something I’ve never experienced in film or TV before and it’s going to stick with me for life.

So did Timely sabotage things, or do something other than what OB was expecting? Or was he just bluffing with Renslayer? Did he volunteer for the reasons he said, or was he planning something? I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I’m just… not… sure.  Did he intend for that to happen to him?  Or did he miscalculate? Or was everything played straight?

I’m sympathetic towards Timely.  The trouble is we haven’t seen him for long enough to really know who he is. In the brief time we’ve been shown conflicting things – he’s a confidence trickster, but he seems harmless enough in the scheme of things. His wonder at all the things in the TVA (including the hot chocolate machine) are very endearing.  He seems genuinely scared of… well… pretty much everyone at some point (except OB), and the way Loki and Mobius show him trust and are kind to him is sweet. But then he hadn’t really been around the TVA long enough for us to see what sort of schemes he could think of to work to his advantage, so perhaps it’s just a matter of time.

So where to from here?  I can see why they showed the press up until this point, and I can see why some of the reviews talked about how episode 4 turned things on it’s head. 

I’m going to assume that episodes 5 and 6 are about Loki working out how to fix things. Or maybe not quite fix, but at least not completely destroy. I feel like things at the TVA won’t be the same by the end of the season.

Something makes it so that Loki starts timeslipping again, and into the branched timelines too.  Or is it perhaps just along his own timeline?? We’ve heard him asking how they could do things differently, so I assume that’s what he’ll be trying.  Maybe many different attempts.  Maybe all of those in the room are now unstably jumping about within their own timelines.  I don’t know, but there certainly look to be lots of super cool possibilities!  I half expect the start of the next episode is Loki opening his eyes to find himself in another place/time, and then working out wtf is happening. 

Also, we’ve been working on the premise that Timely is a variant, but what if he actually is He Who Remains? What if HWR is in a permanent time loop? (That is of course assuming that Timely somehow didn’t actually die. Or at least not permanently.)

I think I might have to stop thinking about it there or else I might go mad. *cackles*

Some other things:

OB learning everything from Timely!!!  OMG!  I didn’t expect that but I love it.  That was never fully explained, was it?  Does someone take Timely’s TVA book waaay back into the past? They were as cute as imagined in their meeting.  Part of me is still sad they never signed each other’s copy of the TVA book.  But if Timely’s book goes back to OB then it couldn’t be signed by OB I suppose.

Renslayer and Miss Minutes going outright evil.  Well at least I know what side of things she’s on now, I guess. I’m glad they never showed us the results of the machine, because the expressions of those watching was terrifying enough.

Dox defending B-15’s integrity was great. I should have known she wouldn’t live after that.

Nice to have the memory erasing confirmed.

Interesting convo between Sylvie and Mobius. I thought that was interesting and reflected their experiences and positions well.  I really feel for Mobius. I think I’d probably react similarly to him and just not want to know for fear of it being better than the life I knew.  So I have a lot of sympathy for him, but I can totally see Sylvie’s point.  But sometimes you have to narrow your scope of caring to survive.

Loki and Sylvie’s conversation in the Automat may actually be my favourite interaction between them so far.  Loki seemed to be more confident in himself.  He wasn’t trying to please her or desperate for her to do/not do something. It seemed a more mature conversation where he recognised there was no right answer, and was prepared to walk away rather than try to convince her, and equally, she didn’t just push him away or run herself. I might actually be starting to buy the fact that these tow have a history of some sort.

The fact that OB can reset the TVA’s system and enable magic to be used within the TVA – and Loki and Sylvie’s shouted response – Brilliant!!!  I feel like that’s going to be significant later on.  I mean it did allow Sylvie to enchant X-5, so maybe that’s the payoff already, but maybe it also allows Loki (or Sylvie) to do something bigger in that brief window if he’s jumping through time again. I wonder f also it’ll turn out that some other people in the TVA will turn out to be magic users? (I’m assuming not Mobius because of the 90’s and jetski thing, but maybe?)

So I had really quite low expectations for this season.  As I’ve said before I didn’t like several fundamental things about season 1, but we’re 4 episodes in and I am *almost* confident enough to say that most of those are absent from season 2. Or at least so far.  They key thing being Loki’s characterisation – it’s still not entirely consistent with OG Loki, but it’s no longer excruciating to watch him clown about. There are still a few moments this season that have been beyond my comfort zone, but 90% of the time he’s been more assured and has been treated seriously by the show.  He’s also been the driver of events and the eyes through which we see things more than in the first season. And I am so thankful for this.

The tone of this episode is more aligned with episode 1, but that makes sense because it’s both more similar in topic and by the same directing team.  And given Episode 1 was my favourite before this, I’m more than happy!

There’s still a couple of episodes to go, but 4 episodes in and I’ve gone from, ‘yeah, I’ll watch it but only out of curiosity and some weird lingering sense of obligation because I’m a Loki fan’, to ‘this is actually potentially great and I can’t wait to see what happens next’.  Which has been a bit of a shock.  Lol!  I’ve been a Loki fan for too long to have the confidence to call it yet, but I’m leaning more towards the optimistic end of ‘cautiously optimistic’.

Okay, my mutuals and anyone else who wants to discuss – what did you think?  :D

Tagging a few folk since I’m a day or so late.  But please let me know if you’d rather not be tagged (or would like to be added). @sparklegemstone @pinkpondofasgard @woodelf68 @galaxythreads @ladyofthestayingpower @scintillatingshortgirl19 @projectprotectloki

#loki #loki series #loki season 2 #loki s2 #loki spoilers #loki series spoilers #loki show #loki series review #loki review #loki reaction #loki s2 ep4

[thedrunkenreadersreviews]

A thought on the Loki series finale.

Oh, we are gonna need something strong for this one. Excuse me while I pass on the Scandinavian mead and just reach for my old pal Jack for this one.

*long sip*

One of my biggest regrets in life is not going to the theater to watch the first Thor film upon its release and, instead, waiting to eventually pirate the movie online. The reason for this is that Loki was my favorite Marvel character and I had no idea who the hell Tom Hiddleston was. So afraid was I that he would not portray Loki properly or that the writers would botch his story had me hesitant.

And then I saw it. And I was blown away by Tom's performance, as most people were.

*Sip, sip*

So I stuck around, enjoyed the MCU, watching it expand, following my favorite character around, and adored how the comics were realizing just how much of a tragic, triumphant story Loki could be and putting him through an incredible arc throughout the pages (Kieron Gillen & Al Ewing were exceptional Loki comic book writers!).

*Long sip, sip*

And then ... there was Infinity War.

*Long sip, sip*

I knew it was coming. That's what every writer does when they have a character they can take no further. Just kill them. Marvel was no different. They killed Loki, albeit, giving him a hero's death and that was that.

Like Thor, I mourned. I grieved, I cried, I sat in pain. I returned to the comics to feel comfort, to know that at least there he was still going and his story was getting better and better. It brought me peace.

And then I am informed of the Loki series and I celebrate. I had never been so excited for a TV show my entire life.

There is a chance, I thought, that he could come back! That he will return! After all, Loki is his most powerful in the comics. The God of Stories, can alter realities, step through the multiverse. He is incredible! He is also able to call on variants of himself, they being a part of him, like it is amazing and I was hoping they would give Loki a similar power in the MCU.

*Sip, sip*

And they did!

Loki became the God of Stories ... but at what price?

*Long sip, sip*

You see, for me, it is something much more heartbreaking than what happened in Infinity War. It is something far more tragic than that.

Sacred timeline Loki has the peace of death. He can walk to the gates of Valhalla, be reunited with his mother, his father, and one day even Thor. There is a comfort in that, knowing that yes, he is dead but he is at peace.

Variant Loki ... Variant Loki ...

*Downs the glass, pours another*

There is a finality in forever. There is, as Mobius says, no comfort in it. It is a burden. A glorious purpose, but a burden.

What hurts the most is this:

Since Thor 1, Loki has said that he never wanted a throne.

Only Mobius, B15 (Verity), OB, Casey, and Sylvie know. They know what he gave.

Since season 1, Loki has said that the thing that frightens him the most is him being alone.

Since Infinity War, Loki promised Thor that the sun would shine on them again.

What hurts the most is that Variant Loki, God of Stories Loki, is now burdened with a throne. That he made a sacrifice much larger than death. And only his friends know. That he is now entirely, truly, forever alone and does not even have the promise of death to give him comfort. There is no death for him. There is no peace, there is no end. It is eternity. It is forever and there is such a finality to forever.

And the sun shines down on Thor in every universe, it shines on other Lokis too. It shines on the people of Asgard, on Mobius, on New York, on everyone in every universe.

Loki kept his promise to Thor, and no one will know.

And while I know Mobius is mourning as we all are---feels like the TVA isn't home anymore, wanting to look because of what Loki did just so he could have the choice to look---I hope he takes the chance that Loki gave him and lives. I hope he buys the jet ski, rides it down the Hudson River. I hope that when he feels the wind in his hair, the water splashing his face, and the warmth of the sun shining down on him, when he is at his happiest and living, that in those moments, he thinks of Loki and smiles. Because I know that Loki would not want Mobius to take the chance he gave him to mourn Loki forever. I know that Loki will watch those moments of Mobius smiling and living, and he'll smile too, and in seeing Mobius taking the chance Loki gave him, making it mean something, that is the peace that Loki can receive. That is the comfort.

*Downs glass*

This ending ... it hurt so much more than Infinity War. I have never felt this way about a character's story. Am I happy with it? No.

Would I change it?

No.

This ending, this sense of grief unlike before, this mixture of elation and bereavement is drowning but incredible. It is the ending that Loki does not deserve but accepts, and that is why I wouldn't change it.

Loki finally became what he has been to me and to several fans of the MCU and Marvel as a whole. What he was always meant to be.

Loki finally became the heart of the MCU. And though we may never see him again---which now I find I oddly prefer---we will know that he is there, between the branches, watching, protecting, beating, and making sure that each and every story gets told.

#loki #loki season 2 #loki series #loki spoilers #mobius #mcu #marvel #god of mischief #god of stories #thor #infinity war #the avengers

[sserpente]

LOKI EPISODES 4 and 5, HOLY SHIT!

Let me tell you, this past week was insane! I did manage to watch Episode 4 last week but pretty much fell asleep straight after so I completely missed writing about Episode 4!

So let's talk about that one first before I lose my absolute shit at Episode 5!

As always, HEAVY SPOILERS BELOW THE CUT!

So then... it is finally revealed that Ravonna had something to do with Kang before. I can't say I'm too surprised. And of course she would just kill a bunch of people to get her way.

Quite interesting how she pretended Loki was the villain this whole time when it's actually her. And don't even get me started on Brad!

I have a feeling we're gonna have a big confrontation in the final episode... but I'm getting ahead of myself--I am way too hyped now after Episode 5.

Now, I have to say, Episode 4 didn't have an awful lot of Loki in it, haha! But hells, did Episode 5 make up for that... DAMN!

The cliffhanger was something else. Obviously, the suspense wasn't one of "oh no, they're doomed and everyone's dead now" but rather "oh shit, how are they going to fix THAT?!"

Good thing it wasn't Loki who went out there... so much for spaghettification. So with that... let's move on to Episode 5 so I can lose my absolute shit!

The very moment O.B. mentioned that Loki might be able to control time slipping I was like 👀. I had a feeling where this was going but... patience, patience, patience.

I swear my poor heartbroken God of Mischief... the fact the timelines were all just evaporating was honestly scary. I mean, imagine your reality is falling apart and there is NOTHING left. NOTHING. And there's nowhere for you to go.

I thought it was convenient that Loki would show up in his friends' timelines until I realised there was a reason for that. Speaking of which... B15 was a doctor, aw! And Mobius finally has his Jetskis! And two sons?! GODS! I hope that they'll be able to combine their TVA life and their timeline life. There's gotta be a way, right?

But to be fair... Casey didn't wanna go back to prison (did you hear him say "they're gonna gut us like fish" I was cackling), Mobius loves jetskis but doesn't seem to be 100% fulfilled with this job... O.B. is a writer who's trying to make it (I felt that) and I guess... you could say B15 has great purpose as a doctor but still! So... I'm still with Loki, they did have a purpose at the TVA and it should be their choice.

I totally love the conversation between Loki and Sylvie here and the fact that she admitted that she's selfish. Is Loki selfish too? Yes and no. Yes, he wants his friends back. But why? Because he CARES about them. And because he knows that most of them aren't actually as happy as they should be in their timelines. Also, naturally, if he doesn't fix this, then all of reality will evaporate so his argument is quite valid.

I swear when he said "where do I belong then"... I was SO DAMN CLOSE TO TEARS. I just wanted to HUG him so bad! Because it's true, isn't it? Loki has no timeline to go back to. He can't just show up in Asgard and pretend like nothing ever happened. But a life like the one Sylvie thinks she's happy with, working at McDonald's? That's not it for Loki, we all know that! I swear... by the end of Season 2 it will be official that he found his glorious purpose!

I mean... just the fact that he was willing to give it all up alone... to let Mobius and everyone else go back to their timelines... NO ONE DARE SAY HE IS A VILLAIN EVER AGAIN, OUR PRECIOUS BABY!

I know I said we don't need Loki to be a self-righteous hero and we don't but the character development in this episode, the reflection of what's been going on with him... SO DAMN GOOD! It's proof that Loki has a good heart, honestly! I mean... we knew that already, it's not the first time we saw it on display but still... awww!

So what's next? Loki, the lord of time... I mean, I'm sorry... did he just become the most powerful being in the MCU?! JUSTICE FOR LOKI AT LAST! I WAS SCREAMING LET ME TELL YOU!

I was hoping for something like that so bad and now here we are! With how things are working out right now, I have a feeling it won't be long until Loki is back in the main MCU timeline and the ultimate force in the final battle against Kang!

#loki #loki season 2 #loki spoilers #loki season 2 spoilers

[therese-lokidottir]

Just because it's not a "happy ending" doesn't mean it's not taking the easy way out.

What pisses me off is that the truth is that Loki absolutely takes the easy way out. It hides behind the brainwashed excuse. I will never stop saying everyone in the TVA presents way too much freedom of thought to say "Oh, they were brainwashed" and otherwise act like they were poor misled people. That's what it does when it shows everyone in the TVA normal happy people in their past lives. It would have been a million times more interesting if the past showed that Mobius was not a good person.

Agents of SHIELD really had so much better writing that MCU right now never could come close. That farmwork arc really gets me because hits with the fact how circumstances really shape someone. Fitz having the absolute existential breakdown over the person he could have been is heartbreaking. On the flipside Grant Ward, seeing that he could been a good person is almost tragic. It is a story that really live by the idea of good isn't a thing that you are it's a thing that you do. It does not take the easy way out and say these are good people tricked into fascism. No, it shows it is circumstances and someone own choices that shape them into the people they are.

AoS was so much more interesting that Grant wasn't an inherently bad person and Fitz wasn't an inherently good person. In the present life Fitz is a goodhearted hero and Grant planted his feet in the ground and continued down a path down cruelty and ego. It shows how life can shape people, good is not a thing you are. It's a thing you do. But Loki2021 does not do that in any kind of significant way. Fitz has a breakdown over learning the cruelty he's capable of and he didn't even hurt anyone real. Mobius tortures Loki in season, then is complicit in torture in season 2, and everyone in-universe and out talks about him like he is such a nice guy.

The sad thing is Loki2021 could been a deep statement on how "no one is immune to propaganda". If this show didn't hate Loki so much and decided the New York invasion was because Loki was angry at Daddy it could have made a parallel to how just like Loki, Mobius fell for an enigmatic figure promising him purpose and power. It could have been such a strong story about how people fall down the pipeline into fascism. But it doesn't because it takes the easy way with its characters. They thought the ends justified the means. They thought they were doing the right thing so they're not bad people. They were just following orders.

The show ends with the TVA still exciting. The people rebuilding "changing" it are the same people for hundreds of years did not think twice when wiping trillions of people from existence. People who did not think twice when putting collars around people's necks, stripping them, and having their "crimes" listed to them with no chance of being proved innocent or being let go. Don't worry now that they know the truth these people can be trusted to make the right decisions. Don't worry, now the TVA will only hurt the right people.

#anti tva #loki series criticism #it's still bad #mcu salt

[faverna]

Ok it's loki season 2 finale rant time bitches

!¡ SPOILERS and crying ¡!

Ok so first, omfg its a tree

With fruit! Or sparkly whatever things. Doesn't matter. I could be thinking too much (I am) but I think it's kinda of cute to think about how loki takes all these lives and choices and worlds and helps them grow into a beautiful living force of nature. One that creates life and great things all on its own. This contrasts the whole loom idea. The loom takes all these lives and choices and worlds, chooses the ones it wants, and weaves them into a single, artificial, "perfect" thread. It's like nature vs. industry kind of.

Second, AAAAAAAA LOKIUS

The way mobius' ending line echoed and it zoomed in on loki's face is my new roman empire. Also the way mobius turned New York alien invasion loki into self-sacrificing, god of stories loki is crazy. Ship them or not that's amazing. They are besties and also definitely in love (imo) your honor. Back to the original train of thought. I would assume loki can see/hear into timelines to a certain degree. Which means he could be watching mobius from afar which is enough to make the tears start. And does mobius know this? Is that why he waits there a little longer? I can see him sitting in a room alone talking to loki and just hoping loki can hear him. And maybe loki responds despite knowing no one can hear him 😭 cryimg. Maybe they don't even speak they just sit there knowing the other is thinking about them. It's so tragically cruel that just as loki realizes that what he really wants is his friends back and to not be alone, he loses his friends and becomes alone forever. He finally gets his throne. Which is another thing. I might be wrong but I think I remember loki talking about how he never wanted the throne of asgard he just wanted his father's love and stuff like that (idr what movie) which is even more painful. He chased a throne he didn't want his whole life in an attempt to gain other things. When he realizes he has what he wants he loses it. Similar to how in ragnarok thor tells him he was always loved, loki just didn't realize. And how thor says loki could've been more if he just let himself be more. And mobius told loki (who didn't get to ragnarok) he could be someone good. Loki finally finds the truth in these things, he can be good, but he loses everything he really wanted in return.

We arrive at three, mobius leaves the TVA

This scene hurts too. Mobius says he belongs at the TVA and he likes it there. And honestly, I (because as not him I am oh so qualified here (sarcastic)) agree. I can't see him living the life he has on the timeline. I can see him settling down but idk something feels off (it's not with loki /hj). After loki leaves he looks absolutely miserable at the TVA though. Mobius lost his purpose when loki found his </3 and now the only thing he can do is try to live some semblance of a life. Loki lost his best friend but so did mobius. And now he has to leave his life's work and try to live like a normal person who hasn't had their world ripped away from them. Me personally, I would feel hopeless.

Oh and fourth, where the fUck is he

It was probably said at some point but I don't remember, I'm too lazy to look, and I don't actually need an answer. But what kind of messed up outer space dimension are they in? Where is the TVA? Can't be in space because then someone would conquer them. And where did loki go? He ripped open space and now he has a chair somewhere. Speaking of which. My man has a chair. Just a chair. A rock chair. Barely a throne. Ignoring all the awful stuff I just spent ages typing that's a pretty awful way to spend the rest of time. Speaking of which part 2. Is loki immortal now? Because last I checked he had a lifespan of 5000 which is not "for the rest of time" sooo?

I'll probably think of more I wanted to say but hopefully I got most of it. Just needed that out of my brain it was and still will take up too much space.

#My friends arent marvel nerds :((( #loki series #loki spoilers #lokius #loki season 2 #mobius #thoughts #my roman empire #ramblings

[natendo-art]

Random, but a Marvel/MCU lore question. So. There's a rumor that Loki season 2 will feature a scene that's during the blip when the 50% is dusted. The question that I have is, do you think Loki knows that that happened? Like. Obviously the Loki that we have in the show is from 2012, so a near decade before the event. But do you think Thanos ever mentioned the purpose of Loki collecting the stones? Or just told him to do it and kept his plan to himself? We know that the only apocalypse document Loki looked at in the TVA that was in any way personal to him had to do with Ragnarok. But he still did look at 100s of apocalypse documents to find Sylvie, so is it possible he found out about it through that and we just never saw it? I would be kinda mad if so. That could've been a really emotional reaction from him, honestly, and just fascinating to see unfold from a psychological standpoint. Loki 100% would put some blame on himself despite the reality of what happened to him that lead to The Battle of New York. We know Loki knows he was killed by Thanos in the original timeline, but I think only THAT part was shown to him. I don't think he got full context. I just wonder how much he knows. I'm very curious about your take

Hmmm I hadn't really ever given it much thought before.

From everything I know about season 2 I'm not sure there will be a scene from the blip? Do you have more information about that?

As far as Thanos telling loki about his plans, I very much doubt it. Loki was under his control, and was motivated by a wish to rule. I don't think he was thinking of the bigger picture at that point. And aside from Gamora I don't think he was particularly forth coming about his plans for the infinity stones in the early days.

Poor loki was in bad shape 🥺

As far as seeing something to do with the blip through the files, I don't think that would have been the case.

All the files him and mobius were searching through were naturally occurring disasters that wipe out the full population. The blip only takes out 50% so there wouldn't be any scenarios were that would count as a full on apocalypse. Or a place sylvie could hide.

Not to mention they were working within a set time range because of the date for the kablooie too. The blip happened before roxxcart.

So I don't really belive that tva loki is aware of the blip, I don't think it really has any relevance to his current plot line or the tva. It's a really interesting line of thought though!

Also I agree that loki probably only seen his death at the hands of thanos rather than an extended story of future.

He was clearly skipping to specific points. And it's worth remembering he was watching his own reel, so it would all be from the perspective of his own life and experiences only.

💕

[hekateinhell]

Re 🖤+ a ship

I ask for…. post-IWTV Armand and Louis. I challenge you to fluffy prompts on an angsty ship. I know you’re up for the challenge.

you know that... I thought about it. I remembered the quote about their 'gentle intimacy' during those years; I remembered the mutual fondness and concern they displayed for each other even following their initial separation; I remembered Armand beginning to heal and Louis relearning happiness at Trinity Gate -- which whether you read it as platonic or romantic -- didn't happen out of thin air. So here's what I came up with for the angiest ship era in all of VC:

Who is the most affectionate?

Armand knows Louis isn't exactly the most affectionate person by any means, and he doesn't want to push him and have him retreat into himself even further -- but every once in a while, Armand will gather up what's left of his confidence (or he's that desperate) and tentatively but outwardly confidently touch Louis's elbow or lower back in a way that reinforces the message 'I'm here, I'll wait until you're ready for me.'

Who initiates the handholding?

Surprisingly, Louis. Armand lacks the presumptuous arrogance required to snatch up Louis's hand against his will and they both know this. It's not often but Louis gets used to Armand making an effort to engage him, suggesting this or that or the other. So when he doesn't and a few days go by, it gets his attention in a way most things don't.

Armand doesn't complain, he doesn't lash out or get violent. He simply retreats into himself (much like Louis) and he looks so sad and so old curled up like a gargoyle on the seat next to him that Louis can't resist taking his hand, pressing their palms together and interlacing their fingers, even if just to keep one of them alive.

Who worries more for the other?

Armand does. In a way, by virtue of his actions, he not only made himself Louis's companion but also his caretaker. He feels a certain responsibility; he needs Louis to come back to life but it's simply not happening and it's Armand's burden to bear.

Who is more likely to ask for help?

They're both awful at this during this time. I would have to say Armand though (remembering 'Help me!' at the end of IWTV).

Who is the one always losing the keys?

Who needs keys when you can scale walls like a lizard? (Louis, it's Louis; he forgets he's alive half the time).

Who leaves little love notes for the other?

During their warmer spells, Louis was inclined to gift Armand a favored novel with a brief yet loving inscription on the inside of the cover. Stories could convey more of Louis's emotions toward Armand more easily than spoken words, and Armand cherished this very purposeful invitation into Louis's thoughts.

Who can’t sleep unless the other is there?

Considering how Louis didn't even notice Armand had initially left him in IWTV, I would say Armand. But also because knows how physically weak Louis is in comparison to any other vampires that might want to hurt him, and it also triggers his deep-seated abandonment issues when Louis disappears for days on end. Even if Armand can track him easily and knows more or less exactly where he is, it still hurts in a very raw way (echo of Daniel later on, whoops).

Who is more likely to propose to the other?

For the sake of some needed levity, I'm going to refer back to my post about Armand occasionally cross-dressing during this time so they could blend in as husband and wife in certain places that they travelled to. Armand "proposed" but it was strictly a marriage of convenience.

Who introduced the other to their family first?

Well, that levity was short-lived (RIP). I'm going to steal @covenofthearticulate's answer... technically, Louis did, didn't he? :)

LMAO 😭

Who is more likely to play with the other’s hair?

Armand, but I would say it's less playing and more so grooming. Thinking back to him being in despair over Lestat being left 'dusty' and disheveled on the church floor in TVA... It's very important to Armand that those he loves appear well-put together and cared for, even if he has to do it for them himself. They will not be looking dusty, abandoned, and forgotten like Armand was in the catacombs for 300 years.

Who makes sure the other has meals/stays hydrated?

Armand again. Louis is his responsibility now; Armand saw to that. And it's bad enough that Louis refuses his blood and previously that of his own maker's for the protection it would offer, but a weak, hungry vampire is just too much.

Armand also finds the occasional rats somewhat triggering (Santino and his rats), and altogether very off-putting.

Who is more likely to stand up to anyone for the other?

Armand drives out any and all vampires that might pose a threat to them. Louis doesn't consider that anything could actually hurt Armand (physically).

Who is the most likely to prepare a surprise for the other?

Armand tries to surprise Louis with trips and outings, anything to incite an emotional response. Sometimes it works, sometimes he's rewarded with a gentlemanly kiss to his hand or an uncharacteristically sudden, tight, and trembling embrace.

Who makes the other pinky promise not to do certain things?

... Even my imagination can't indulge this one.

Who puts a blanket over the other when they fall asleep on the couch?

Armand usually thinks Louis looks cold and he's right, but he's hesitant to irritate him with too much fussing. Besides, it's not a physical coldness which is easily remedied.

Sometimes Armand tucks himself up into a reading chair and closes his eyes and remains completely still for the rest of the night--he's been so tired for so long. When Louis notices (and he occasionally does), he gathers a covering from near the fireplace that's warm and soft and arranges it over Armand's shoulders and around his chest. Armand looks incredibly innocent and childlike when he mimics a mortal in repose; it can't help but invoke Louis's long-buried caregiver instincts.

#it's cold and rainy here today perfect weather for brooding about them #i hope these are any good i HURT MYSELF to get them #vc #armand/louis #ship headcanons ask meme

[foolish-took]

Okay Loki thoughts on the season two finale specifically because I watched the season too spread out to remember enough details from the other episodes. And I need to get these thoughts out!!!

So my thoughts kind of go into two “categories” as we’ll call ‘em. The first is more about the actual plot and stuff of the episode, and the second is the cinematography (idk another word for it) aka just how the show was shot and like vague analysis from someone who doesn’t know all that much about this subject lol. But anyway, this season finale was absolutely fantastic. Having waited like a literal month or so to watch it I did get spoiled for the ending, BUT it was vague enough that I really had no idea what would happen or what it meant, so I wasn’t really sucked out of the viewing experience and was just as excited. Also as I’m writing this I’m just now realizing they started and ended this show with an episode titled “Glorious Purpose” holy shit. Mm. The way this show has depicted Loki’s character arc from someone who was certain he was destined for greatness that he had to force others to let him have to then becoming someone who really just wanted a simple office life surrounded by his friends, but ultimately chose to sacrifice his greatest want just for the overall greater good of everybody??? Ugh??? Anyway back to the episode itself. So, the section when Loki keeps time slipping back and back and back to try and get everything to work perfectly, the mounting desperation in his actions just becomes more and more apparent. I mean, he was pretty desperate when he started, but you have to be REALLY really desperate to spend 100 years learning complicated ass science and math. And then there’s also the fact that before the century of learning (which btw where did he even go???), he had to experience failure over and over again, countless times that we definitely didn’t see. And i know he’s experienced failure before but this is definitely different right? This isn’t failure for a purely selfish goal, this is failure of a goal to save everyone that also happens to be a bit selfish. AND Timely does over and over which cannot be nice to see/hear.

And then ya know as the episode goes on the desperate acts just continue as he goes to try to stop Sylvia from killing He Who Remains, and may I just say this scene was pretty fucking interesting actually?? Like not just the fact that Loki apparently learns to pause time but just the conversation that they have, the way that Loki here’s all these points of views, all these different things of people saying what should be done, what exactly is the bigger picture all that. And then he makes a conclusion of his own. He takes He Who Remains’s points about the inevitability of it all, Sylvie’s arguments that every timeline should get to exist and have a fighting chance, and also just the fact that he wants his friends to stay alive, he’s like okay well. If this is what’s wrong, and this is what I need to have done for everybody to be safe, then I need to do something that benefits everybody even if it means I don’t necessarily benefit. Which then leads me to his talk with Season 1 Mobius. And the fact that he literally becomes this essentially all powerful god that sits on a throne and literally is the fucking tree of life from Norse mythology. Don’t even look at me I need a minute.

And don’t even get me fucking started on Mobius in this episode oh my god. He’s getting his own paragraph. Like dude!!! My man was the only one to say something every time Loki would go back to rush the whole fixing the time loop scenario, and then when Loki is faced with this ultimatum of killing Sylvie or letting HWR dies and leading to the destruction of the TVA, what does he do? He fucking goes and talks to Mobius oh my god??? He asks Mobius for advice, and he completely takes that shit to heart. I actually have way more thoughts on this specific scene but that’ll be for another time this is already suuuper long. But anyway yeah like Mobius was just fucking wonderful this episode. Skipping to the end because honestly that’s where the heartbreak is, I a hundred percent agree with others about Mobius getting on the timeline so Loki can see him. He was so adamant about not seeing what his life could’ve been like I don’t think just because the branches were saved he would’ve been like “ya know what maybe I do wanna see it!” Like no I’m sorry. And also i dunno if this is necessarily how it works but he went to a timeline that already HAD a Mobius. So that wasn’t even his timeline. Or maybe it was I’m honestly not sure but ANYWAY. The way the rest of that scene plays out where there’s just so much space beside him, the close up of his face against this bright blue background like it MEANS something I know it does. It’s giving foreshadowing ya know? I might just be blowing smoke though. I just think it’s interesting that THIS is what Mobius decides to do. “Let time pass”, in a timeline where one of him already exists. There’s gotta be more to it right? Is he gonna try to get to Loki somehow? Is he just gonna hop around but stay where he knows Loki will be able to easily see him? God I hope so.

I think we’ll end it there if any of this made any sense then congrats and also I’m sorry 😭. If I post further thoughts I promise to make them more coherent and less rambly.

#sorry everyone this is not the most coherent thing I’ve ever written #this is why my essays never did that great in school lmao #if you read the whole thing tho I appreciate it very much <3 #loki spoilers #loki series #loki #mobius #long post #my bad #also I just wanna say this was written over the course of several days