#or really morally gray Obi-Wan

[david-talks-sw]

"Does it make sense?"

I think, ultimately, the thing that it comes down to for why I just can't see "the Jedi are intentionally written as dogmatic/dispassionate" or "Obi-Wan failed Anakin" or "the Jedi brought their own downfall" reads as valid anymore is because... it makes no sense that George Lucas - of all people - would write that.

Like, this is the guy who preaches the same lessons and philosophies that the Jedi do in the Prequels, every chance he gets (sometimes going all the way back to American Graffiti).

So ask yourself:

Does it make sense that he would intentionally make the characters to whom he gave his own values "dogmatic"?

He's a self-proclaimed "methodist-Buddhist". The Jedi are based on Buddhist monks.

Does it make sense that the buddhist would write a story about space-buddhists being "emotionless", "devoid of compassion" and "at fault for their own genocide"?

Lucas had an apprenticeship, that turned into a friendly/brotherly bond with his mentor Francis Ford Coppola. Their personalities were completely opposite (Coppola was more outgoing, George was more prudent) but they worked in sync, they completed each other.

Do you really think that this guy's intended narrative would be that "Qui-Gon would've been better-suited for Anakin as a teacher than Obi-Wan because the latter was prudent/strict and too different from the more passionate Anakin"?

George lays Anakin's downfall on Anakin's shoulders almost every time he talks about it. It's a corruption that was caused from within, he would be able to love without getting attached if he had joined the Jedi at an earlier age, but he didn't so his attachment and greed results in his turn to the Dark Side.

So does it make sense that Lucas' narrative would be that "the Jedi (aka EXTERNAL forces) pushed, denied and failed Anakin that they caused him to turn" instead of "it was Anakin's own fault because he wasn't able to let go"?

He has said multiple times that, aside from Anakin's downfall, the Prequels center on the Republic's downfall, never mentioned the Jedi once when describing what the Prequels are about.

If the Prequels were actually about "the fall of the Jedi and how they lost their way", wouldn't he have brought it up once? And would he really have focused so much on the Senate and politics rather than adding more development to characters like Mace and Yoda?

I think the answer to all of these is "no".

Here's one more: Lucas stated so many times that this was a fairy tale, that all six Star Wars movies are meant for kids. The situation of the Prequels is more complex than the one in the Original Trilogy, but before, during and after the Prequels Lucas confirmed that the Star Wars morality is binary, it is black and white, good vs bad.

Would he really intentionally make the Prequels this subversive story wherein "actually, if you stop and think about it, the good guys are really the bad guys"?

Or is it just that:

We live in a time where movie audiences expect the "good guy" to be individualistic, flawed and non-conformist, and the Jedi are a community of nigh-incorruptible champions of good who've already completed their character arcs.

So the adults (aka not the target audience) who watched the Prequels at the time were turned off by these characters who they perceived as "holier than thou", having been conditioned by the times they lived in to think that there are skeletons in "Mr. Perfect's" closet.

Thus, they retconned the films (via comics, books, games and episodes) so that they could enjoy the Prequels more, and did so by:

injecting more realistic "gray morality" themes into the films and

projecting an oppressive "boys don't cry" philosophy onto the Jedi.

For lack of a better metaphor, "they put a skeleton in Mr. Perfect's closet so that they could finally find his existence bearable, and keep bringing up that skeleton to this day."

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[marvelstars]

Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader: Redemption & Forgiveness

The matter of redemption in Star Wars has always been a matter of discussion in the fandom and I wanted to give my take on this.

"A redemption arc is a literary term for a type of character development in which a bad or morally gray character turns into a good person by the end of the story. They redeem their worst sins through their actions in the story's resolution"

From a literature pov Darth Vader had a text book redemption arc on ROTJ which Lucas talks about as him "stopping the horror" by learning and having compassion for his Son.

"It really has to do with learning. Children teach you compassion. They teach you to love unconditionally. Anakin can’t be redeemed for all the pain and suffering he’s caused. He doesn’t right the wrongs, but he stops the horror. The end of the Saga is simply Anakin saying, ‘I care about this person, regardless of what it means to me. I will throw away everything that I have, everything that I have grown to love - primarily the Emperor - and throw away my life, to save this person. And I’m doing this because he has faith in me, loves me despite all the horrible things I’ve done. I broke his mother’s heart, but he still cares about me, and I can’t let that die.’

Anakin is very different in the end. The thing of it: The prophecy was right. Anakin was the Chosen One, and he does bring balance to the Force. He takes the ounce of good still left in him and destroys the Emperor out of compassion for his son."

George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 221

But redemption can also have different meanings which also played a part in the way Lucas choose to represent the moment of Anakin/Vader´s redemption. Redemption:

(IN RELIGION):(especially in Christianity) an occasion when someone is saved from evil, suffering, etc. The state of being kept from evil or of improving morally. The act of paying back a loan

In many ways Redemption is also the act of paying back a moral debt owned by the evil or morally bad acts someone committed, this act on itself means the person in question improves their morality because they are turning back from evil to do good and make reparations.

In this way, thanks to the intervention of his Son, Anakin was saved from the suffering of the darkside and able to "turn back from evil" , improve morally by showing compassion once more in many long years and pay back his actions at the price of his blood.

This doesn´t mean it was the only way he could have paid his debts but it was the one way he was able to also stop the evil his master commited agaisnt the galaxy, this despite the fact Vader "loved" the Emperor, his love didn´t mean he didn´t recognize what they did was wrong and instead of washing himself of blame given he was initiatily manipulated into turning to the darkside by the Emperor, Vader took responsibility for them both, took the ounce of good left inside of him and "stopped the horror" in one self sacrificial action. Redemption is about the choice of the person who is seeking redemption.

Now when I see this creates confussion and even anger in the fandom, because is seen as unfair, is that many fans believe this means other characters HAD to forgive Anakin because Vader redeemed himself but this is not the case at all, forgiveness is another action all together, the fact Anakin redeemed himself in the end doesn´t mean Obi-Wan, Leia, Han, Luke, rebels and the Imperials, etc or any other person hurt by his actions HAD to forgive him, that is their prerrogative but at the same time, the fact they DIDN´T forgive him or the fact many didn´t even know Vader was the one who defeated the Emperor giving way to the New Republic rule(acording to the new canon), this doesn´t erase Anakin/Vader´s redemption.

Anakin/Vader was redeemed by his own actions, the act of being forgiven can only be made by the people hurt by his actions and no one else but even in the case they don´t forgive him doesn´t take away anything from Anakin´s sacrifice and the good that came from it.

Anakin lying dying and thinking of joining the force once more while being grateful to Luke for showing him how he could love again without knowing if his sacrifice was even going to be known or not was part of his redemption, he did what he could, at the price of his life, it didn´t matter what else happened after this. He was at peace.

Obi-Wan teaching Anakin how to become a force ghost was Obi-Wan´s choice, his way of showing Anakin that he forgave him but Anakin was already redeemed before he did this by Anakin´s own sacrifice.

Luke forgiving his father to give him a chance to turn from the darkside was Luke´s choice, no one else and Luke was at peace with his choice even when his father told him it was "too late for him"

Leia trying to forget everyting about Vader, not wanting to know about Anakin to get some peace but later remembering her mother and the good actions of her biological father, told by Luke, to stop herself from falling to the darkside by hating him when he was already dead, but not being able to forgive him either was her choice, it gave her peace, and the fact Anakin redeemed himself doesn´t mean she had to forgive him.

So in the end redemption and forgiveness is a matter of choice of the person seeking redemption and the person giving forgiveness. They are related but they aren not the same thing and just like Anakin choose to come back in the end, this possibility was open to any other imperial or rebel who did wrong at one point of their lives. It´s a personal decision, a personal choice.

"The boy was good, and the boy had come from him- so there must have been good in him, too. He smiled up again at his Son, and for the first time, loved him. And for the first time in many long years, loved himself again" (Anakin Skywalker - ROTJ)

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[kanansdume]

Okay, so I think I'm starting to get my mind around why I don't really vibe with the theory that Luthen is a Jedi.

This show is intentionally choosing to make its characters morally gray. To muddy the waters of things that were previously shown to be pure and good, like the Rebellion. We see it in Cassian, obviously, but we also very much see it in Luthen.

And that's just not a place the Jedi can live. The Jedi do not get to be gray. The Sith do not get to be gray. Luthen's position of actively fighting tyranny and knowing that he has to do the dirty work in order to help more people in the long term just doesn't fit in with the way that we have come to understand either the Jedi OR the Sith. The Jedi won't let themselves actively oppress people and cause extra suffering intentionally, even if it's for a good cause. The Jedi would not have made the choice to sacrifice 50 people in order to keep one spy's identity safe so they could continue to use him. But it doesn't fit the Sith either, because from what we've seen, the Sith either revel in their darkness like Palpatine or actively lie to themselves about how evil they are and the choices available to them like Dooku and Anakin. Luthen's awareness of the dark deeds he's done and his misery over it, his belief that he is CONDEMNED by it, doesn't fit the Sith.

I think one of the reasons this show feels so unique and new is due to its morally gray themes and characters. The entire point of the story right now is that sometimes rebelling means you have to do things you aren't proud of, things that aren't entirely purely good. Sometimes just SURVIVING asks that of you when in a world under the tyranny of something like the Empire.

Cassian kills people, quite often. And does so without a lot of regret or remorse in the show so far. And he's not shown to be wrong for doing so, sometimes we're actually actively rooting for him to do so like during the prison break. He's not necessarily going to be a HERO of the story, he lets that be other people like Kino or Vel and later Jyn, but he is a GOOD PERSON. He isn't marred or condemned by his choices, even though in a lot of other Star Wars stories, he would be. Characters like Ahsoka, Kanan, Ezra, Obi-Wan, all have to live in a particular system due to being Force Sensitive that Cassian just... doesn't have to deal with. Cassian can BE gray in a way that the Jedi and Sith really just can't based on the worldbuilding.

The Jedi do not fit in this show. Which isn't to say that Star Wars has too many Jedi, I would never ever say that, I fucking love the Jedi and would love more stories focused on them (that aren't about people who choose to LEAVE the Jedi or their genocide, please and thanks). But I think that in order for THIS PARTICULAR SHOW to live in the place that it does, where characters can act morally gray, can kill and betray and not be villains because of that, the Jedi just... can't be in it. It fundamentally changes the story you have to tell if there is a Jedi in the mix. The Jedi don't get to be morally gray without completely falling into darkness eventually.

So I don't want Luthen to be a Jedi. I don't think it would necessarily make sense with the Star Wars worldbuilding for him to be able to do the things he does AND be a Jedi.

#andor #andor show #andor series #sw andor #star wars andor #luthen rael #cassian andor #jedi

[jedimasterbailey]

Hello, friend. 🖤🤍📖💀 for the ask game, please. 🙏

Hello there friend 💙💚 Thank you for the ask and thank you for choosing some questions that really make me think 🤔 let’s do this!

Link to the original ask questions below if y’all wanna play along which please do because I love to snoop 👀

🖤- Which character is not as morally good as everyone seems to think?

Dooku and yes I know he’s a Sith Lord and not considered a hero by any means but since the Tales of the Jedi episodes (which I love btw don’t @ me there) but I feel that fandom kinda looks at him like they do with Anakin. That even though Dooku and Anakin have done HORRIBLE INEXCUSABLE crimes that killed so many people and betrayed their loved ones that just because they “had their reasons” then that makes them worthy of sympathy when in reality that shouldn’t be the case. Dooku didn’t do what he did for the greater good or to serve others; he did what he did to serve himself and what he wanted. Dooku knew what the Empire was going to be (I.e. an all human regime that oppress alien races) and yet still went along with it thinking he could rule that regime himself one day. I don’t care that he was hurt by losing Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan; he still hurt and betrayed them regardless. If you ever read the Master and Apprentice book by Claudia Gray, you would come to find out Qui-Gon was 1.) terrified of Dooku because of his very dark actions 2.) Overlooked him for his first Padawan (Aveross I think his name was?) and 3.) Fixated on his own interests over being a proper teacher for Qui-Gon. In short, Dooku is a pretentious self serving privileged man of status and power and that’s that. The moral compass he has is whatever benefits him.

🤍-Which character is not as morally bad as everyone else seems to think?

Mace. Windu. For fucks sake y’all he is NOT a bad man! Had it not been for Anakin’s choices, he would have ended the Clone Wars once and for all and brought peace to the galaxy avenging every single soul who have lost their lives or sacrificed so much in the war that never needed to happen. Anyone who has read the Legends Shatterpoint novel or pay attention to Mace’s actions/words in the Clone Wars show and in the movies can see that Mace is a very admirable Jedi that anyone should look up to. His fighting style is all about using the Dark Side against those who use it which means this man has had to master his own demons for sake of doing good. That is a very rare quality even amongst the Jedi. He stays true to himself and Jedi philosophy within reason despite others trying to sway him. He also raised Depa who we all know is a wonderful woman who went on to teach Kanan who was a great Jedi. So yes, Mace was more than deserving of his rank and if he was such a bad man who come no one in his lineage ever turned to the Dark Side or left the Order? Clearly he was doing something right. And don’t even go down the tone deaf “he was mean to Anakin” route because Mace was always understanding, trusting, and respectful of Anakin, he was just trying to save Anakin from himself. We love and respect Mace Windu in this house 💜

📖-If you had to remove one book from the series, which would you choose?

The Ahsoka book for sure, sorry to those who like it but it’s not for me and that’s okay since not all books are gonna be everyone’s taste. As a Barrissoka stan I can’t stand whatshernuts constantly being up Ahsoka’s ass and causing her problems. Ahsoka was doing just fine on her own trying to survive after very traumatic events, losing everything she knew, and learning to survive in a galaxy that wants you dead for who you are until of course the stupid ass village needed saving. The book could have had a much better plot. The only parts of the book I liked where when Ahsoka was alone in her thoughts processing and trying to decide her next move. We could have had a very healing story much like Obi-Wan did in his show but nope. Furthermore, I’ve got beef with E.K Johnson for many reasons, the major one being that she’s a very ignorant person that tries to be the “white savior” so… yeah not fond of her work, her views of these characters we love so much, or the story she made for Ahsoka.

💀-If you had to choose one major character to die, who would you choose?

Palpatine of course because without out him the entire galaxy would be spared from mass genocide, destruction, pain, suffering, and pure evil. All of our favorite characters would have a much happier ending 😭 we also wouldn’t have dickheads like Tarkin rising to any position of power.

Link to original unpopular opinion asks

#thanks for the ask! #unpopular opinion ask game #star wars

[smhalltheurlsaretaken]

I love the jedi but enjoy the sith, mostly vader,new republic sith and old republic sith, do yoi have a lost of your favorite star wars villains.

In order, Dooku, Thrawn, Palpatine, Vader, OT-era Tarkin, Maul - and TCW!Hondo right after Dooku if that counts.

Pretty vanilla lmao. I like the Son as a concept but he's really not hardcore enough to really embody what he's supposed to represent. (There's not enough of the slimy slithering madness and viciousness that makes the Sith do stuff like sacrifice Jedi on altars and do blood magic rituals, among other things.) He's too tame for something supposedly worse than the Sith, though he'd be horrifying if he'd been more Dark-Side-y.

So, Dooku, because he's a disaster and a mirror to Anakin's garbage and because there's a lot of genuinely interesting things about a character who was among the wisest and noblest and who knows what the darkness is and willing embraces it anyway. he's Star Wars' Saruman and I love Saruman. It certainly helped that he was played by Sir Christopher Lee. The man was just that good.

Thrawn, because of the smooth, calm demeanor - much like Dooku's. That scene where he slowly explains what a kalikori is without revealing right away who is Hera, toying with us with his incredible score in the background, gave me shivers the first 4-5 times I watched it. I love sophisticated and collected villains. Brutish villains feel too simplistic and not nearly as frightening. I also love Star Wars aliens.

Palpatine because he's a delight to hate. He has no redeeming qualities whatsoever - he's just absolute selfishness embodied and that makes if very fun. Also love the 'frail' old man whose power is in his insidiousness. I love how maniacally happy about his plans he always is and I love to think of how completely bored he must have been during the Empire days, before Luke showed up and gave him something to plot about. Sure I wish the Zillo beast could have flattened him to a Sheev pancake - or that Dooku would have just punted him into the sun before Naboo, but hey, at least he got thrown down a reactor and exploded twice and was never ever heard of again, right?

Vader because he's a powerhouse and that's always impressive. James Earl Jones' voice was always magnificent as well and there's something so expressive about faceless characters.

OT Tarkin because- smooth, calm and collected old villain. I really have a type ah ah. There's something so maddening about that complete confidence that they're right, that end-justify-the-means mentality they confuse for wisdom, that dismissive way they see the hot blooded righteous heroes as so beneath them...

Maul mostly for the times he goes completely crazy and either turns into a spider or a Temple-dwelling Sith cockroach and runs around painting Kenobi on the walls with his blood. I love his arc with Obi-Wan, I love what it says about the light and the Dark, the Jedi and the Sith, and the Florrum and Twin Suns duels are my favorite ever.

Finally, Hondo... Well, is Hondo. Much smarter, much more ruthless, and much saner than people give him credit for - just spectacularly greedy and ballsy. I wouldn't call him a villain so much as the true example of what a 'morally gray' character is. It's not good guys in impossible situations like Mace, it's not complex villains like Dooku, it's not the image people have of a tortured prince of darkness that deep down feels really sad about all the murder he's doing and it's not the selfless hero who angsts about quickly killing a monster that one time - it's Hondo.

I'm generally pretty indifferent to Ventress, Jango, Boba, bounty hunters like Cad Bane, the Hutts, villains of an episode, or more minor villains and/or reformed antagonists like Bo-Katan, Kallus, etc - as characters anyway. I might like them when they're onscreen or like their place in the story but they don't do much for me individually beyond that.

And a special mention goes to Miraj Scintel - the Zygerrian Queen and only Star Wars villain I truly and deeply loathe. I hate seeing her onscreen, I hate hearing her talk, I hate watching her move, I hate her aspirations, I just detest her. Everything about her is infuriating.

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[wantonwinnie]

I just read The Jedi Path by Daniel Wallace (2016 edition as part of the Secrets of the Galaxy box set, which are all in-universe guidebooks in the Legends continuity). It's not often that a Star Wars book leaves me with a terrible taste in my mouth and was generally not enjoyable, but that's how bad this one was (worst one Ive read so far, unfortunately). This is very ranty, so sorry in advance (and contains spoilers). I've read The Rebel Files, which I really enjoyed. I love the Jedi and was excited to read this book, which makes this one so much more disappointing. I'd give it a 5/10, which is honestly generous.

I'll get the few good things out of the way. It's chalked full of lore from legends about the Jedi (the book was originally published in 2010 and rereleased later). It covers many eras. I like learning details about the different lightsaber forms. The illustrations are nice, if not a little same-y.

However, the content is generally awful and sounds like fanon, even to the legends continuity. I'm not a legends buff but there's a part near the end where one of the in-universe writers disputes misconceptions people have about the Jedi, one of which is that they are kidnappers. The writer's response is that the Jedi can't be kidnappers because they have a legal right to take custody of any force-sensitive child, and part of their duty as a Seer is to take those children. If this was actually a part of the legends continuity, that's a terrible practice to attach to the Jedi, but I suspect this was fanon even in 2010.

Another tidbit is when the book straight up says the "Gray Jedi" are a not only a real in-universe term but a direct threat to Jedi progress. The provided definition of Gray Jedi is just someone who disagrees with the council and is not like the other girlies, and Obi-Wan's annotation says some Jedi considered Qui-Gon to be gray. Also completely fanon as far as I know- the gray jedi was a misinterpretation of a cosmetic option in KOTOR ("gray jedi robes", i.e., the color gray).

There are other wonky bits too. A part of the traditional Jedi trials is the Trial of the Flesh, in which padawans suffer immense pain to test their will. Even though it was relaxed in later eras, I think this is an odd lore at best for Jedi. It doesn't comport at all to teaching compassion or peace. Surely Jedi will face physical pain in active duty, and a religion's practices are going to change over time. But it seems a bit too removed from fundamental principles that it breaks the immersion.

There are also the Jedi Shadows, who straight up try to assassinate Sith lords. I think long ago during times of great conflict it is a bit more believable- but the way it's written makes it seem like they're still around. The Jedi writer also basically says the Shadows are willing to bend their morals to do what needs to be done in ways that other Jedi would find distasteful, which, yeah! Duh! What the fuck!

The general tone of the writing is way off. It comes off as a bit too self-righteous and indignant. The content itself is in that direction too. This entire book almost seems written with preconceived fanon notions in mind. This is why some of Legends is so bad- I like creative freedom for authors, but not to write things that break all immersion or make people have mixed feelings about the Jedi. It's one thing to show the Jedi evolving over time as circumstances or theories shift. But it's another to say "yeah, we take kids, so what?" and other things that just totally break down the intent of the wider story.

I haven't even gotten to the annotations, which honestly degraded the experience, not enhanced it. Most of the weird lore was closer to the end of the book, so I was having a meh time with the main content. But the annotations were at best, only somewhat interesting, and more often they were not worthwhile or downright antithetical to the characters writing them.

Here are a couple examples. When the book discusses the Jedi Code, Qui-Gon basically says that attachment = compassion and this part of the code is thus incorrect. This is not Qui-Gon's character at all from the movies. At least from what I remember, Qui-Gon wasn't questioning the fundamental precepts of Jedi thought about being too attached/obsessive. Also, at one point, Obi-Wan suggests in an annotation he doesn't like spending time with animals. Maybe this is earlier in this life, but it's strange to see this coming from Obi-Wan, who clearly loves animals in TCW and did in ROTS. I know they're extrapolating from his line in TPM about Jar Jar being a pathetic life form or whatever, but it seems counter to his broader character. At best, if this is actually reflective of his legends version, that version sucks! I like that he likes animals! Seems like the book would rather reference a line than actually focus on what the characters would say.

This problem is present with the general approach to annotations, which is that they went for using well-known characters instead of those who could actually make comments that add depth to the story. The annotators are Yoda, Thame Cerulian (Dooku's master), Dooku, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Ahsoka, Sidious, and Luke. The best you can say is that they wanted a wide variety of perspectives, but even that is poorly executed. Yoda and Luke's annotations are probably the best just because they cover different points in time, and Luke talks some about how he can apply past teachings to the new academy. But Thame, Qui-Gon, and Ahsoka have very little interesting to say other than to insult non-attachment, make a few references, and Ahsoka chiding Anakin. (Aside: why does Ahsoka even have this book? Half of her comments are "who cares, we are fighting a war!" Which, yeah, you wouldn't be reading this while fighting a war when you would be reading up on tactics, strategies, reports, and training). Dooku constantly complains that the Jedi tolerate inferiority, and Anakin complains about attachment, not using certain powers, etc. Ahsoka, Dooku, and Anakin's comments are all definitely on-brand, but they're more annoying than anything. Of course Sidious' comments are all just "haha Jedi suck, they died". In-character but not interesting or fun to read.

I'm sorry but I came to this book to read Jedi perspectives on Jedi teachings, not Sidious, Dooku, and Anakin. The latter two were Jedi, sure, but they clearly did not subscribe to the Jedi fundamentals even at the time. Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, and Ahsoka had little interesting to say- no depth of understanding. I loved The Rebel Files from 2017, partially because the annotations were limited to fewer characters and added much more depth to the content. This book, perhaps a product of its time, did not, and actively went against the characters. In all, I'm really sad this book did what it did. It advances false narratives about the Jedi for people to point to. I wouldn't blame fans who only read this book to be like "The Jedi do good things but they also take kids! They kinda suck!" because that's how this book is written. What the fuck.

#my disappointment is immeasurable #if you liked the book then #idk #the jedi path #jedi #star wars legends #star wars

[emotionlesshoe]

hello there! i was so happy to discover that we are now 300 on here! it really feels unreal, but i'm truly grateful for each and everyone of you ♡ to thank you, i created a prompt list on which you can pick up to 3 prompts and send it with the character you would like me to write for (there is a list as well of who i can write for) i'm used to writing one shot with a female reader but do not hesitate to mention if you would rather have a gender neutral or male reader! i can write fluff, angst and smut, however you have to be 18+ to ask for this last one! once again i really want to thank you all, for the love you guys send to the things i create, the likes, the reblogs, the comments, etc. hope you enjoy ♡

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“It’s not like I married him on purpose, you know?”

"You can't just come back into my life whenever you feel like it. It doesn't work that way."

"We shouldn't have done this... it was a mistake."

“If I told you, you’d hate me forever.” 

“Yeah, okay, so the car is totally crashed. But what are we gonna do about the goat?” 

"Please, just look at me."

“I know you don’t have any reason to trust me, but… you need to know something.”

"Oh, good, you’re here! Hold this."

"I said it first. It’s mine."

“Put the gun down, dearest. I have news!”

"What are you reading?"

"Would you still love me if I was a worm?"

"Congratulations! You’ll get to meet my highly dysfunctional family for Christmas."

"It’s scary to bring a child into this horrible, horrible world."

“I love you! No time to explain – gotta go.”

“Oh man, I’ve had the worst day ever.”

"Tell me it's not true. Please." "I did warn you not to trust me."

"You looked like you needed a hug."

"I really thought I could trust you, that you would be better than all of them... turns out you're even worse."

"Is there a particular reason why you are... naked?"

"The silent treatment? Really?"

“Forgive me if I’m misreading things, but do you want to make out?”

"I don't like this."

"I know how it looks, but it's not what you think!"

"I dare you!"

"You have something in your hair, umm... Do you want me to get it out?"

"Put some clothes on for the love of God." "Is that my shirt?"

"Why is Santa looking at us like that?"

"I can go anywhere I want... just not home."

"I swear if you go out of that door right now, you better never come back."

"Go ahead and leave then, just like everybody else did."

"Please come home."

"I think I'm in love with you and it's terrifying."

"Were you watching porn?"

"What would you say if I brought back home a duck?" "Y/N... what have you done?" "Meet Buffy... the Quacker Slayer."

"Put a baby in me."

"Why is it so hard to let you go?"

"Have we met before?"

"Do you have a picture of me as your lockscreen?"

"Let's run away."

#300 followers #celebration #prompt list #character list #harry potter #mcu fandom #peaky blinders #the walking dead #star wars #pedro pascal characters #stranger things #5sos #george weasley x reader #fred weasley x reader #theo nott x reader #sirius black x reader #remus lupin x reader #james potter x reader #bucky barnes x reader #matt murdock x reader #frank castle x reader #steven grant x reader #marc spector x reader #finn shelby x reader #obi wan kenobi x reader #din djarin x reader #frankie morales x reader #javier peña x reader #daryl dixon x reader #calum hood x reader

[what-a-burden]

Why Did the Clone Wars Change its Mind About Radicalness?

*disclaimer: any critiques or opinions expressed are not meant make anyone feel bad about media they enjoy. They are just the thoughts of some rando on the internet*

Something I have found myself routinely asking whenever I watch The Clone Wars show is: “Why did they change their mind about radicalness?” The “them” in question being Lucasfilm. Within the original trilogy we are introduced to a band of rebels radically attempting to overthrow a fascist empire in power. Luke at the beginning of a New Hope dislikes the Empire but is moderate about it. He feels as though it’s not effecting him that negatively and he can carry on with his life even though he would prefer not to have the Empire in power. He is then radicalized by his aunt and uncle being murdered by the Empire because they unknowingly bought droids who escaped from a raided rebel ship. Luke is recruited into the rebel alliance in this way. The proceeding story is a tale of a violent overthrow of the Empire by the rebel alliance . 

When the Clone Wars show aired, there are multiple episodes in the series touting centrism and moderation. Especially when it came to forcibly occupied Separatist planets or deep seated corruption within political structures. The people who suffered from these corruptions and forced occupations are expected, in the show, to take it and wait for the Republic to save them. The people who do fight back on their own are considered extremists and likened to terrorists. Most notably this is found when Ahsoka, Anakin, and Obi Wan help a group of rebels free and reinstate their overthrown king. They are often sited as verging on terrorism. This is odd to me because the Rebel Alliance did the same types of things, but were never called terrorists. In fact they were celebrated as heroes. The movies only painted them in a positive light. Yet when we move to the Clone Wars, people doing the same things but in a different time period are approached with ambivalence. As if they are hesitant to show these people positively. 

Perhaps this is simply a result of the show being aimed toward children, and the creators and writers didn’t want to have to handle parents being concerned with the messaging given to their children. “Yes kids, it’s ok to overthrow the government.” Or perhaps this is a result of the changing political climate from the 80s to the 2010s. Either way, it’s frustrating to me that people wanting to be free of and taking action against oppressive rule or occupation are painted as morally gray and verging on terrorists. Yet the U.S. itself was founded on a revolution. I am hearing, idolize the people who revolted from one country and created another, yet don’t take revolution and rebellion to far today, because that would be bad and you will be a terrorist. 

Not to sound too conspiracy theorist, but I do think that to an extent it really reflects the general attitude and reverence of centrism. The U.S. wants to maintain the illusion of exceptionalism and glorifying the American Revolution is one way, and discouraging rebellion of the current corrupt capitalist system is another. Now, do I think that the government is directly sticking it’s fingers into every show for children. No, but I do think they did a good job at convincing the generation who created the shows for the next generations to remain moderate and centrist and to not rock the boat too much, and we see this in our shows. 

#star wars #starwars #tcw #tcw anakin #tcw ahsoka #tcw obi wan #luke skywalker #rebel alliance #r2d2 and c3po #count dooku #the 501st #star wars anakin #obi wan and anakin #obi wan kenobi #ahsoka

[mwolf0epsilon]

After the close call in Anchorhead when he came down with Gray Rot, Cody is much more cautious with his health and how it may affect his size-shifting. It wouldn't do well to slip up again, and he really doesn't want to cause any unnecessary destruction just because he threw caution to the wind again.

The experience did show him that he can trust Abuela however, something which he's very grateful for. Obi-wan, Alpha-17 and Luke have been a great support system (Luke brightens his day by just being his joyful and occasionally snippy self, which is still a very important thing since it boosts morale), they can't always cover for him. Abuela being in the know at least gives him someone who knows about his condition while he's away from home.

The only con is that he's back to thinking about his brothers who are still under the hold of the Empire, and how much he wishes he could help them. Maybe it's about time he started thinking about more than trying to make a life for himself. Maybe he should start thinking about freeing the brothers working in Imperial outposts on Tatooine...

#star wars #the clone wars #kenobi #Tatooine Odd Encounters AU #g/t #commander cody #it's been a hot minute since I posted for this AU but I felt inspired today :)

[arafinweanappreciation]

Alright, I have to ask, what makes you like the Children of Finarfin the most, when it seems to me that most people gravitate more towards the Feanorians?

This is... an excellent question. I'm not sure I really have a definite answer??? I just know that I've always gravitated very strongly towards characters who try their very best to be GOOD. Especially the ones that have to fight for it. The ones who have to constantly fight the darkness and despair in their lives to stay that way. That could be morally upright characters that maintain that stance all through their character arcs (like Obi-Wan Kenobi or Steve Rogers), ones that get beautifully written and executed redemption arcs (like Zuko in Avatar the Last Airbender) or even the ones that do their best to maintain an outward appearance of apathy or evil but are actually decent people deep down. I also connect really deeply with characters who display loyalty as a main motivation/personality trait, which Finrod definitely does, imo. And, like, I recognize that the Arafinweans have their flaws and failings just like everyone else, and so do all the other characters I mentioned above. I also know that a lot of other people connect better with more morally gray characters or villains because they feel like they're allowed to make more mistakes and be more human, but that has actually never resonated with me as strongly. And I don't know why I gravitate towards them vs, like, the Nolofinweans, who tend more towards being the classic Heroes. It's one of those things that I've been trying to figure out for a long time, but I've never come to a truly satisfactory conclusion.

#might also be because i vibe extemely hard with the idea of basing teleri dress/culture off of the ancient celts??? who are my ancestors?? #but that's kind of a chicken and the egg kind of deal #not sure if the positive bias stems from that or if i had the idea because of the positive bias #i'm just lawful good deep down and this is how it manifests i guess

[david-talks-sw]

Welcome to my blog, folks! Here's some posts to check out!

Did Obi-Wan really fail Anakin?

George Lucas' involvement in the EU.

The difference between George Lucas & Dave Filoni's discourse on the Jedi Order.

What if the Jedi's task was "carrying a couch"?

About Luke, the Jedi and “attachment”.

META ABOUT THE JEDI ORDER (in-universe analyses)

The Jedi Code is like an itch (analysis of Obi-Wan Kenobi).

"Balance" when talking about a Jedi.

Why the "Gray Jedi" concept doesn't work.

The Jedi's only REAL flaws.

About the Jedi and slavery in the galaxy far, far away.

The Jedi feel more emotions than the Sith do.

About the Jedi's "arrogance" in the Prequels.

META ABOUT THE JEDI ORDER (out-of-universe analyses)

Does Dave Filoni's take on Qui-Gon Jinn and "Duel of the Fates" align with George Lucas' intended narrative?

Why do some fans not like the Prequel Jedi?

What Yoda means when he's talking about the Jedi's arrogance.

Luminara Unduli and the role of the mentor in TCW.

Lucas and Coppola, the inspiration for Obi-Wan's dynamic with Qui-Gon and Anakin?

What Hidden Fortress tells us about the status of the Prequel Jedi

What Inside Man tells us about the public perception of the Jedi

META ABOUT OTHER STAR WARS STUFF

The meaning of "Balance" when talking about the Force.

The symbolisms of the Mortis arc in The Clone Wars.

The characterizations in Book of Boba Fett.

Grey morality in Star Wars.

I experienced Star Wars in a strange order...

ANAKIN SKYWALKER

Anakin knows what he's doing is wrong.

Anakin's relationship with Padmé.

Anakin's overall relationship with the Council.

Anakin's rationalizations.

What Anakin really means when he talks about "the principles of the Republic" and where his loyalties lie.

Anakin and the "Obi-Wan Undercover" arc

Anakin's indecision in "Cargo of Doom"

The layers of Darth Vader's mind.

OBI-WAN KENOBI

Obi-Wan will do what he must.

Obi-Wan's flaws in each film.

Obi-Wan's character arc in Episode I.

Obi-Wan can't bring himself to kill Vader!

COUNT DOOKU

Dooku is what Anakin will be.

Dooku is an unreliable narrator.

Dooku holds the sympathies of most Jedi.

QUI-GON JINN

Qui-Gon is what Anakin could be.

Qui-Gon was not as rebellious as fandom makes him out to be.

MACE WINDU

Mace Windu has a point.

Why do people dislike Mace Windu?

LUKE SKYWALKER

Luke Skywalker in 'The Last Jedi' (1/2)

Luke Skywalker in 'The Last Jedi' (2/2)

ATTACK OF THE CLONES tidbits

The deleted scene that sums up Obi-Wan and Anakin's arcs in AOTC.

Sparse thoughts: the theme of Duty vs Love, Dooku's betrayal & the deleted C-3PO scene.

Anakin understands the theory of the "no attachment" rule.

Jocasta Nu is a goddamn badass.

Extra tidbits from the AOTC screenplay!

Padmé's reaction to Anakin killing the Tusken.

REVENGE OF THE SITH tidbits

The deleted Padmé & Bail subplot.

Obi-Wan and Palpatine: a good father and a bad father.

Anakin, Padmé & Jealousy.

That time Palpatine made an idiotic suggestion.

Analyzing the scene where Anakin asks Yoda for advice.

George Lucas’ Sequel Trilogy.

George Lucas on the Jedi's involvement in the Clone War.

George Lucas on the Jedi's role in the Republic.

George Lucas on what the Prequels are about.

All the times George Lucas spoke on the Jedi's rules regarding emotions, attachment and love.

George Lucas on how Anakin became a Force Spirit.

All the times George said Star Wars was primarily made for kids.

George Lucas talks about how Jedi keep their inner balance.

George Lucas' original vision for the Prequels.

The difference between Lucas and Karen Traviss' discourse on the Jedi and Star Wars.

George Lucas on the Jedi joining the Clone War.

Paralleling between how Lucas talks about Leia and Padmé.

George Lucas on the parallel between Dooku and Anakin.

Synching Obi-Wan Kenobi themes to George Lucas' words #1.

Synching Obi-Wan Kenobi themes to George Lucas' words #2.

[marvelstars]

Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader: Redemption & Forgiveness

The matter of redemption in Star Wars has always been a matter of discussion in the fandom and I wanted to take on this.

"A redemption arc is a literary term for a type of character development in which a bad or morally gray character turns into a good person by the end of the story. They redeem their worst sins through their actions in the story's resolution"

From a literature pov Darth Vader had a text book redemption arc on ROTJ which Lucas talks about as him "stopping the horror" by learning and having compassion for his Son.

"It really has to do with learning. Children teach you compassion. They teach you to love unconditionally. Anakin can’t be redeemed for all the pain and suffering he’s caused. He doesn’t right the wrongs, but he stops the horror. The end of the Saga is simply Anakin saying, ‘I care about this person, regardless of what it means to me. I will throw away everything that I have, everything that I have grown to love - primarily the Emperor - and throw away my life, to save this person. And I’m doing this because he has faith in me, loves me despite all the horrible things I’ve done. I broke his mother’s heart, but he still cares about me, and I can’t let that die.’

Anakin is very different in the end. The thing of it: The prophecy was right. Anakin was the Chosen One, and he does bring balance to the Force. He takes the ounce of good still left in him and destroys the Emperor out of compassion for his son."

George Lucas, The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 221

But redemption can also have different meanings which also played a part in the way Lucas choose to represent the moment of Anakin/Vader´s redemption.

Redemption:

(IN RELIGION):(especially in Christianity) an occasion when someone is saved from evil, suffering, etc.

The state of being kept from evil or of improving morally.

The act of paying back a loan

In many ways Redemption is also the act of paying back a moral debt owned by the evil or morally bad acts someone committed, this act on itself means the person in question improves their morality because they are turning back from evil to do good and make reparations.

In this way, thanks to the intervention of his Son, Anakin was saved from the suffering of the darkside and able to "turn back from evil" , improve morally by showing compassion once more in many long years and pay back his actions at the price of his blood.

This doesn´t mean it was the only way he could have paid his debts but it was the one way he was able to also stop the evil his master commited agaisnt the galaxy, this despite the fact Vader "loved" the Emperor, his love didn´t mean he didn´t recognize what they did was wrong and instead of washing himself of blame given he was initiatily manipulated into turning to the darkside by the Emperor, Vader took responsibility for them both, took the ounce of good left inside of him and "stopped the horror" in one self sacrificial action. Redemption is about the choice of the person who is seeking redemption.

Now when I see this creates confussion and even anger in the fandom, because is seen as unfair, is that many fans believe this means other characters HAD to forgive Anakin because Vader redeemed himself but this is not the case at all, forgiveness is another action all together, the fact Anakin redeemed himself in the end doesn´t mean Obi-Wan, Leia, Han, Luke, the Imperials, etc or any other person hurt by his actions HAD to forgive him, that is their prerrogative but at the same time, the fact they DIDN´T forgive him or the fact many didn´t even know Vader was the one who defeated the Emperor giving way to the New Republic rule(acording to the new canon), doesn´t erase Vader´s redemption.

Anakin/Vader was redeemed by his own actions, the act of being forgiven can only be made by the people hurt by his actions and no one else but even in the case they don´t forgive him doesn´t take away anything from Anakin´s sacrifice and the good that came from it.

Anakin lying dying and thinking of joining the force once more while being grateful to Luke for showing him how he could love again without knowing if his sacrifice was even going to be known or not was part of his redemption, he did what he could, at the price of his life, it didn´t matter what else happened after this. He was at peace.

Obi-Wan teaching Anakin how to become a force ghost was Obi-Wan´s choice, his way of showing Anakin that he forgave him but Anakin was already redeemed before he did this by Anakin´s own sacrifice.

Luke forgiving his father to give him a chance to turn from the darkside was Luke´s choice, no one else and Luke was at peace with his choice even when his father told him it was "too late for him"

Leia trying to forget everyting about Vader, not wanting to destroy herself by hating him when he was dead but not being able to forgive him either was her choice and the fact Anakin redeemed himself doesn´t mean she had to forgive him.

So in the end redemption and forgiveness is a matter of choice of the person seeking redemption and the person giving forgiveness. They are related but they aren not the same thing and just like Anakin choose to come back in the end, this possibility was open to any other imperial or rebel who did wrong at one point of their lives. It´s a personal decision, a personal choice.

Return of the Jedi by James Kahn

#anakin skywalker #darth vader #luke skywalker #Emperor Palpatine #star wars #obi-wan kenobi #leia organa #han solo #returno of the jedi #old trilogy

[kanansdume]

Now that Andor has finished, I'm starting to see more of an influx of negative opinions on it and while I don't share their opinion and absolutely loved the show, it's interesting to see that Andor ended up such a polarizing show. People either really related to it and adored it and felt like it was one of the best things Star Wars has ever produced, or it just fell completely flat because of how different its style and structure was.

"It didn't feel like Star Wars," "it was too slow," "none of the characters were interesting/likable" seem to be the biggest frustrations people had with this show, while "It's so new and refreshing," "it's an excellent slowburn that's taking its time to tell a good story," and "all of the characters are morally gray and it's an interesting use of ensemble" are things I've seen people ENJOY about the show. They're the exact same things, but for some people they work, and for others, they... don't.

I get why the slower structure would have bothered people, even as the structure worked really well for me in giving me those mini arcs for Cassian while still remaining entirely serialized and giving impact to past events as the story moves forward.

I get why having the ensemble structure would be frustrating in its refusal to truly focus in on one character's journey above the others, even as it totally worked for me in highlighting what the writers felt was meaningful about Cassian's arc by paralleling and foiling him in the others, partially because Cassian as a character doesn't always make things obvious and partially to just build the world up a little.

And I get why the more serious adult take on Star Wars could have put people off, that this just simply isn't what they enjoy Star Wars FOR and if they wanted edgy serious adult drama they would go watch something else. I get that, even as I deeply enjoyed having piece of Star Wars media that felt aimed at someone my age rather than having to enjoy something that is intentionally written towards a pre-teen demographic even if it's written well. As someone who doesn't tend to do a lot of reading of the novels and comics that have been allowed to be more adult, it's felt like a breath of fresh air in some ways. I like Star Wars a lot and really enjoy some of the more subtle things happening in shows like Obi-Wan Kenobi or Rebels or even Clone Wars and the main films. But I don't think Andor is a show that had a pre-teen audience in mind, I'm not even sure a lot of pre-teens would enjoy it all that much. And I think there can be room to explore an element of Star Wars that CAN be aimed at adults, but that's not going to be something that appeals to all of Star Wars' myriad fans.

I don't go see a rom-com because I'm looking for a political side story. I'm there to see a stupid formulaic nauseatingly sweet storyline that doesn't ask me to think all that hard. There's going to be people who come to Star Wars with very specific things in mind that they want out of it because it's why Star Wars brings them joy, it's what Star Wars MEANS to them, and Andor just isn't going to fulfill that.

Andor did have to grow on me a little and I was someone who already considered Rogue One my favorite Star Wars film and enjoyed Cassian as a character, Diego Luna as an actor, and was genuinely hopeful and excited for the show. And of course the show isn't perfect, it stumbles in places, it can do better with some of its writing choices perhaps. But I respect it a LOT for choosing to really stick to its vision, to do its own thing. I'm someone who's always going to have a lot more respect for someone trying and failing than someone who is just sticking to the proven status quo. Andor had a very particular message in mind that it wanted to tell and a particular way it decided to tell it. For some people, that message worked, for others it didn't, but they took the road less travelled and I can respect the bravery and dedication that took.

#andor #andor show #andor series #sw andor #star wars andor #star wars #cassian andor #not every star war is for everyone

[clonewarswritings]

Hm... I dunno how well you know Obi-Wan's character, but what do you think it would take for him to be willing to break the code?

Luckily, we've seen a couple of canonical/legends examples of him actively considering such a thing, so there's quite a lot we can extrapolate from those scenes.

But first, lets consider Obi-Wan as a character. Though we often see him as a very proud proponent for the Jedi Order and it's corresponding code, he is far from the most traditional and quite often tries to combine what the code says and what it means to follow the intent. His master had been Qui-Gon Jinn after all, and Qui-Gon tried to pass on his view of the Jedi as being more fluid and flexible rather than rigid and immovable to his then-padawan--and I think that influence shaped how Obi-Wan would later view the order and its code himself (whether he realizes it or not).

For example, here is a wonderful quote from Qui-Gon Jinn from the canonical novel ‘Master & Apprentice’ by Claudia Gray:

“Not every disagreement with Jedi orthodoxy turns you into a Sith lord overnight.”

Especially as an adult (and probably due to the fact that there's a lot of resources, canon and legends, about Obi-Wan now), it's easier to see that Obi-Wan is far from the cool, collected, and cold individual that one might think a stereotypical Jedi would be. He is still very much attuned to his emotions and clearly has experience in dealing with them, and there are several very great examples of where these emotions come at odds with his wavering loyalty and belief in the Jedi code.

First, in the Clone Wars animated series (S2E13), in regards to Duchess Satine, he says,

"Had you said the word, I would have left the Jedi Order."

This is a wonderful quote that, even if only a fraction of which is true, shows that he is not without the ability to fall in love and feel a sense of devotion to someone. A lot of people agree that it seems Obi-Wan seems to be speaking this line from the heart, which really showcases that he's a far more complex individual than one may perceive him at a surface level.

At the end of Charles Soule's Obi-Wan & Anakin comic series, when confronted with a choice for his loyalty to the Jedi Order or to training Anakin Skywalker (and keeping his promise to Qui-Gon), he says,

"If Anakin leaves the Order...then I must leave it as well."

Obi-Wan's relationships, in this quote, are shown to have a higher loyalty than the Jedi Order. This is not inherently a bad thing especially in this case, since it shows that, when he believes the Jedi Order are pushing him in a direction that is wrong, he will instead choose what he believes is right. In this case, it's for his old master and new padawan.

I wonder even if this is a point where Obi-Wan actively considered the strange dichotomy of what current Jedi Code had become: Anakin can leave the order, but he will succumb to the dark side, and nobody is allowed to teach skills of the force outside the Jedi Order, so Obi-Wan cannot help Anakin. This rigid sense of code seems to be a breaking point for Obi-Wan, which really helps us get a solid look at where his personal lines fall in terms of loyalty and sense of moral code overall.

In the end, what seems to push Obi-Wan into the most odds with the code and trying to follow it generally come down to his sense of love and loyalty--both romantic as much as platonic. This makes an incredible amount of sense, given most Jedi only tend to form very close bonds with others in the Order. In turn, those who form bonds outside the Order, especially during the prequel era where the Code has become very rigid and convoluted, would have the most issue with following them, such as Obi-Wan and his relationships to Qui-Gon, Satine, and even Anakin.

So in turn for any reader-insert content, there would be so much glorious emotional tension.

You would much less force him to leave the Jedi Order as to convince him that he doesn't believe in it enough to continue following it.

#star wars #obi-wan #obi wan #i actually enjoy dissecting characters in star wars! #especially when there's a lot of legends and canon content to consider #helps to build a strong overall sense of character #character analysis #writing #meta #meta writing #sfw #sfw writing

[inquisitorius-sin-bin]

My bad english won’t let this make sense but oh well

I feel imma get hell for this…But my unpopular opinion is that I don’t think Qui-Gon Jinn is as great as everyone else makes him out to be. Kinda feel he basically tossed Obi-Wan aside for Anakin. In novels like Master and Apprentice he was basically trying to “rid of Obi” etc I could write a whole essay about how Qui-Gon ain’t shit 😂 but sadly my english is terrible 😂

Your english is fine I understand perfectly what you mean!

I honestly just don't even know enough about Qui-Gon Jinn to have a real opinion on him tbh, and I honestly-

Ohh boy if we want to get really unpopular

I just don't care that much about Obi Wan either, not that I dislike him. He's neat, he's fine, he's just not that interesting to me. I'm not saying he's a bad character. Different strokes for different folks. I just find stories about more morally gray characters to be more compelling to me personally. It's good to have a mix and I definitely see why other people find him so likeable and are interested in his story. That just isn't me.

Dooku is DEFINITELY the most interesting to me out of that whole lineage. Ugh I love his character so much. And I understand why others don't, that's fine. But that part of me was really satisfied this morning.

[sleepymarmot]

For some critics, this difference between the original trilogy’s classical heroism and the prequels’ flawed and compromised characters was an indication of some sort of failure on Lucas’ part. As if he had somehow not realized what he was doing. As if he inadvertently made his heroes complicit in the Empire’s rise to power. The magic trick here is taking the perceived ultimate good of the original trilogy, as epitomized by the Jedi, and revealing that Obi-Wan’s “certain point of view” happens to be filtered through rose-tinted glasses as well. Similarly, the bad guys of the Clone Wars era? Well, they weren’t really THAT bad.

Lucas clearly intended to tell a different story. If the OT was a romanticized vision of World War II heroics and villainy, the PT is the morally dubious conflicts of World War I and the fallout events that caused its “sequel.” Lucas decided to take his morally pure galaxy and interject a couple of revolutionary questions: What if the enemies weren’t so obvious? What if the good guys sometimes made the wrong decisions? [...]

It is a telling moment that shows us Yoda knows what he has done was wrong, but that he sees no other path forward. Three years later, the Jedi are still complicit in this conflict, still using clone troopers to fight a war that is an elaborate sham. These are not uncompromising heroes with entirely righteous and moral motivations; rather they are flawed individuals, propping up their ancient belief system but compromising those values at every turn.

Compare the Jedi Order with the Rebel Alliance of the original trilogy and you’ll see even more clearly the difference between the straight-forward heroism of the OT and the flawed Jedi of the prequels. The Rebels are a scrappy, scruffy looking gang, but they are immediately inclusive of new members like Luke and Han. They express sympathy to one another when hearing of a tragic loss or a death mark, they band together and exchange handshakes and backslaps when one of their own succeeds. They are exuberant and friendly and risk their lives to come to each other’s aid in battle. [...]

Similarly, compare the Empire with the ostensibly evil army of the prequels: the Separatists. They may be bankrolled by a bunch of greedy mega-corporations like the Trade Federation and the Banking Clan, but their intention isn’t to take over the galaxy. They merely wish to secede. Even the Trade Federation in The Phantom Menace has no long-term plans to subjugate Naboo; they merely want the Queen to sign a treaty so they can resume trade. A lot of folks have trouble understanding the political machinations of these institutions, especially in The Phantom Menace. Taxation of trade routes, yadda yadda yadda. But the point is that an organization like the Federation has motivations beyond being purely evil for evil’s sake, and they are being similarly misled (like the Jedi and the Republic) by Darth Sidious.

The fact that Nute Gunray recognizes when things are “getting out of hand” and expresses anxiety about the Sith Lord’s violent strategy to invade Naboo and force Amidala to sign the treaty suggests that Gunray and the other Separatist leaders aren’t completely evil. They may be spineless and greedy and perpetrate atrocities anyway, but their hesitation suggests that they at least know right from wrong. No Imperial is ever shown stuttering in disbelief or getting a case of the shakes when told to activate the Death Star’s superlaser cannon.

As I mentioned before, there is still good and evil in the prequel trilogy, even if there are oh-so-many flavors of moral ambiguity gray, from the aforementioned Jedi and Separatists to institutions like the Galactic Senate and the Kaminoan cloners and even individuals like Zam Wessel and Jango Fett. The epitome of pure evil is represented by Darth Sidious. There is seemingly nothing redeemable about him, nothing even remotely empathetic or endearing. He doesn’t think of himself as evil—“Evil is a point of view,” he tells Anakin—and the certainty and righteousness he demonstrates in his plans for revenge and “unlimited power” are the clearest, purest motivations of any character in the prequel trilogy. He knows what he is doing while everyone else stumbles around in the dark, hesitating and uncertain, losing sight of a confident path forward.

And so he serves a crucial—perhaps the MOST crucial—element of the prequel trilogy’s moral contemplations. His ultimate evil finally being exposed creates the classical heroes of the OT to counter it and combat it. Without a clear enemy, the Jedi Order, the Galactic Senate, the whole of the Star Wars galaxy bickers and backstabs and slides around the moral scales. But there is one benefit to Palpatine’s pure evil crashing down upon the galaxy; against its oppressive darkness, only the purest light can shine through.

— Michael O’Connor, Beyond Good & Evil in the Prequels

#star wars