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frodo-with-glasses · 1 year

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Discord Highlights: Hobbit Babies

This discussion got very chaotic very quickly lol but I've done my best to sort it all by category. Enjoy!

Topic One: Sam's Kids

InvisibleWashboard:

If I’m allowing myself the privilege of indulging in AU where Frodo doesn’t leave, I often imagine Elanor calls him [Fro]. But she is the only one who is allowed to.

meg is me:

"Fwo" Frodo, lifting a cup in his hand: "throw?" "No! Fwo!"

novelmonger:

I've been imagining Elanor calling him "Unca Fodo."

And then there's "Unca Mewwy" and "Pip-Pip." (Pippin tries to get her to call him Uncle too, but it doesn't work. He's not Unc-y enough 😂)

InvisibleWashboard:

Stop it I’m dying from cuteness.

meg is me:

Can you imagine when elanor was born and sam was like all tender and amazed and he was like "lets call him frodo" and rosie was like. She's a girl, Sam And Sam was like..... so excited to name his son frodo that he forgot it might not be a son XD

Me:

I love that he canonically didn’t even consider that she MIGHT be a girl until she came out as one 🤣🤣 “We were all set to name him Frodo! But, well, ah. He’s a she. :-C”

meg is me:

I love sam Bless sam

I desperately hope that Sam's son Bilbo was 10x worthy of the name 😂

Me:

Bilbo Gamgee was an utter gremlin

Writing Valkyrie:

He just recites poetry to get out of punishment. Sometimes it works.

meg is me:

"First he's robbing the pantry. Next he'll be robbing dragons- THAT'S MY WEDDING RING"

Me:

Bilbo Jr. tells his friends about how he, too, won his ring in a game of wits against a nasty, ugly creature while Sam is over there waiting for him to give his wedding band back like >:-C

meg is me:

Better yet His older siblings And they half believe him because quote "Daddy is rather ugly" and Elanor gets SO offended on dear old Sam's behalf

Elanor could be overheard hugging her dad and saying "don't worry you're very handsome" Sam just laughs

Me:

“Well your mother thinks I’m handsome, and that’s all that matters ;-)” Cue the chorus of “EWWW”

Windmill to the Stars:

100% something my dad would say XD

meg is me:

It's split between ewwww and awwww Bby frodo ships his dad and mom so hard and is ecstatic to learn that they have in fact gotten married to each other

Me:

“So you’ll be together?? FOREVER??” “Indeed we will, lad!” “8-D”

Frodo Jr. ships his mom and dad almost as hard as his namesake did

InvisibleWashboard:

So Frodo-lad is not the little boy who is disappointed when he learns he can’t marry Rosie when he grows up, but was baby Elanor initially devastated when Rosie had to tell her, “You can’t marry Sam-dad love, he’s already married to me.”??

Me:

Oh my word I love that ahaha Elanor is 100% a daddy's girl

Windmill to the Stars:

In the epilogue she calls him "Sam-dad"

InvisibleWashboard:

Sam-dad and Rose-mum just absolutely freaking melts my heart every time I think about it. I don’t know why.

meg is me:

He loves his family so so much

Me:

See I know it says in the epilogue that Frodo Jr. is the spitting image of Sam, but part of me can’t help imagining that he looks like Elijah Wood’s Frodo… Brown curly hair and all that

meg is me:

Speaking of facts disproved by the appendices but true in my bones Merry and Pippin Gamgee are twins

Me:

oh my word I love that

InvisibleWashboard:

I like that this is true in your bones and not in your heart. Because the heart is fickle and can be changed by things like canon. Bones are more stubborn. Sometimes not even canon can break them.

meg is me:

I adore that they aren't named Meriadoc and Peregrin but rather Merry and Pippin Sam took his dad's advice to heart- if you give them a short name you don't need to worry about nicknames Guess old Gaffer learned from needing to shorten his son's names to Ham, Sam, etc

Me:

“I’m not giving my boys those fru-fru gentlehobbit names, they’ll have short names like sensible folk”

meg is me:

Pippin casually mentions to Sam if it's a boy maybe we'll name him Aragorn Strider Elessar, Gorn for short And sam is an inch away from taking custody of Pippin's unborn child

Me:

HAHAHA PIPPIN NO

Topic Two: Merry's Kids

InvisibleWashboard:

I head canon Merry being that way with his kids only he desperately wants a girl so he can name her Eowyn.

meg is me:

Merry has Boromir, Eomer, and like 3 other sons before baby Eowyn comes into the world

Me:

Would Merry even feel worthy of naming a son Theoden?? I feel like he’d want to, but…

meg is me:

Ok but bby Theo With his little curls

InvisibleWashboard:

Theodoc.

meg is me:

Theodocuments

Me:

THEODOC I LOVE IT NO LISTEN I AM 100% ADOPTING THEODOC INTO MY BELIEF SYSTEM ‘CAUSE IT JUST F I T S

Windmill to the Stars:

Part of me wants Merry to half-jokingly ship his daughter Eowyn with Faramir Took. Partially just so he and Pip can share grandkids

Me:

There’s no canon evidence that to disprove that some OTHER pair of their children ended up getting married! X-D

Topic Three: Pippin's Kids

meg is me:

I wrote a fic where Pip had a daughter named Sable because my best friend at the time was named Sable and the only place the word sable was found in lotr was in regards to Pip's tower guard uniform

Me:

That's so sweet oh my word

meg is me:

Pippin in many ways will never mature and I love him for it I'm still stuck on him and diamond naming their kids the most obscure things after Merry stole all the Friend Names besides Faramir The tooks already sound Outlandish

Pippin and diamond would be that couple who wants to choose Unique baby names but their friends keep reining them in "Let's name him TREEBEARD" "hmm and Enta for a girl" Sam: do you HEAR YOURSELVES

Windmill to the Stars:

What nickname would Pippin give to his son Faramir?

Kasey Gondor:

Furry

Me:

Progressively shortened more and more until it’s just “Ra”

InvisibleWashboard:

Faramir refuses any and all nicknames anyone attempts to give him ever.

Windmill to the Stars:

Faramir is "Me, an Intellectual" from an early age XD

meg is me:

He started "courting" lil Goldilocks at age 7 and Sam wants to be mad but it reminds him so much of him and Rosie that he lets Faramir Took pick the flowers from his garden to give to his daughter

Goldilocks: daddy fair-meer picked MY flowers! 😄 Sam: ....we planted those together, sweetheart Sam: beyond pleased for you, lass

Me:

Sam sitting down with little Faramir Took and having a Very Serious Talk that if he intends to court sweet little Goldilocks he’ll have to be very kind and good and generous to her and always look out for her good above his own even if it’s hard and it hurts

Faramir was like 9, and all Sam was concerned about was Faramir pushing her and pulling her hair and stealing the berries out of her picnic basket, but it stuck

Years later, after the wedding, Faramir tells Sam that he’s never forgotten that talk and it absolutely changed his life and Sam is like “wot” cuz he’d forgotten all about it

InvisibleWashboard:

NO STOP IT THAT IS TOO CUTE

Windmill to the Stars (re: nicknames):

Ferry to rhyme with Merry, and lil Faramir HATES it

meg is me:

THIS IS CANON TO ME STARTING NOW

InvisibleWashboard:

That is so good I adore it!

meg is me:

Pippin: "hop in the cart fam we're going to Buckland" everyone looks at faramir Faramir: "don't" Pippin: "We're gonna go on the FERRY"

Me:

EYYYYYY

Merry, meanwhile, calls him Master Faramir, and this is why Merry is his favorite uncle

meg is me:

perfection

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warrioreowynofrohan · 8 months

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Favourite Female Tolkien Character Poll - Round 2, Match 23

The last match of Round 3!

Rosie Cotton

Marries Sam, and they move into Bag End.

A quote from the unpublished Epilogue (in HoME Vol. 9, Sauron Defeated):

Master Samwise stood at the door and looked away eastward. He drew Mistress Rose to him, amd set his arm about her.

“March the twenty-fifth!” he said. “This day seventeen years ago, Rose wife, I didn’t think I should ever see thee again. But I kept on hoping.”

“I never hoped at all, Sam,” she said, “not until that very day; and then suddenly I did. About noon it was, and I felt so glad that I began singing. And mother said: ‘Quiet, lass! There’s ruffians about.’ And I said: ‘Let them come! Their time will soon be over. Sam’s coming back.’ And you came.”

“I did,” said Sam. “To the most belovedest place in all the world. To my Rose and my garden.”

Rose in Elvish is Beril. If you wanted to know

Goldilocks Gamgee

One of Sam’s daughters, marries Pippin’s son Faramir. Her name translates in Elvish to Glorfinniel, but as Sam only slightly knew Glorfindel, I like the headcanon that Sam wanted to name her Galadriel and this was Sam and Rosie’s compromise of a more reasonable hobbit-name.

#favourite female tolkien character poll #rosie cotton #goldilocks gamgee #sam gamgee #the lord of the rings #history of middle earth #tolkien

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the-ephemeral-ethereal · 4 months

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The Fourth Age: Samwise Gamgee

A.K.A. Samwise the Brave, Master Samwise, Mayor of The Shire (7 times over, serving until he's 96 years old)

Wed Rosie Cotton

Father of Elanor the Fair, who becomes Maid of Honour to Queen Arwen, and marries Fastred Fairbairn of Greenholm, Warden of Westmarch

Father of Goldilocks Gamgee, who marries Faramir Took, son of Peregrin Took & Diamond of Long Cleeve

Grandfather of Elfstan Fairbairn, son of Elanor & Fastred

After the death of Rosie, passes over the Sea, to go to the Grey Havens

#j.r.r. tolkien #jrr tolkien #tolkien #the lord of the rings #the return of the king #middle earth #the fourth age #samwise gamgee #samwise the brave #rosie cotton #elanor gamgee #elanor the fair #mayor of the shire #the shire #master samwise #goldilocks gamgee #faramir took

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velvet4510 · 2 months

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I think it’s so fun to imagine what Sam and Rosie’s children were like.

We know a lot about Elanor. We know Goldilocks married Faramir Took. We know Frodo, as the eldest son, inherited Bag End. But the rest is really up to us.

Sam definitely taught them all to read and write, in Westron and maybe even in Sindarin too. And they all grew up with the stories from the Red Book.

Talk to me in the notes! What are YOUR personal headcanons about the Gardner children???

I’ll list my own headcanons of their occupations:

Elanor was a poet who wrote in both Westron and Sindarin, as well as a historian on the cultures of all the Free peoples but especially Elves; she also became fluent in Sindarin.

Frodo was elected Mayor after Sam retired and was just as talented a gardener as his dad.

Rose was an artist whose paintings were hung around Bag End, given away as mathoms, and sold as gifts; she also was dedicated to finding the Entwives, and one day, on a stroll through the woods with her future husband, she finally found one.

Merry took over the mills formerly owned by the Sandymans.

Pippin became a carpenter.

Goldilocks was a homebody as the Thain’s wife, and a passionate cook who always helped the servants in the kitchen.

Hamfast worked in forestry because he was so inspired by the tale of the Ents. He co-founded a business with Rose’s husband.

Daisy was a talented minstrel, always composing and singing her own tunes.

Primrose was a tomboy and became a roper alongside her husband.

Bilbo worked for the Quick Post and also owned a bakery with his wife.

Ruby was a midwife.

Robin was a Shirriff like his namesake.

Tom was a merchant, constantly traveling between Gondor and the Shire.

#lotr #jrr tolkien #lotr books #lord of the rings #samwise gamgee #rosie cotton #elanor gardner #frodo gardner #goldilocks gardner #faramir took #lotr theories #lotr headcanons #samfro

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isablooo · 2 years

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SAM NAMED HIS DAUGHTER GOLDILOCKS????

#reading the appendices rn and im aware that this is tolkiens 'translation/anglicisation' of what the name would acc be in Westron #but its still really funny to me that goldilocks is a canon lotr character #i feel like when frodo said call your daughter goldilocks it was a joke but sam took it 100% seriously #i love that tolkien was like nah the hobbits names youve got so used to are not their actual names i translated them for your convience #girl why are you telling us at the END????? 😭 after like 900 pages of getting used to these names #i joke but i love how tolkien meticulously thought out every detail. it really makes feel like hes translating a real history #the level of detail is mind blowing #but also #the way tolkien writes about mixed race charas has always been insidious (the way he idolises 'pure blood' is so yikes)#but reading the part in the appendices about the half-elven being made to choose between being elven or man made me so sad #he doesn't even scratch the surface of how alienating that would be being made to renounce half of your identity like that #this is fuelling my fire to explore mixed race identities in a more nuanced manner in my own fantasy work!! drawing from my own experience #cuz tolkien was a dude from the early 20th century his takes on stuff like this are... lacking to say the least #text post #lotr #lord of the rings #samwise gamgee

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tolkien-feels · 1 year

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Okay wait a minute.

All of Sam and Rosie’s children are either 1) named after someone that they know or 2) named after a flower, all except for Ruby and (allegedly) Goldilocks.

But Ruby is an easy name to explain. It feels very Hobbit-like of a name and could easily be the name of a much beloved relative. And even if that’s not the case, gem names are of the same genre as flower names.

But Goldilocks does not feel at all like a Hobbit name. That’s just not the kind of name they seem to go for, and is not a flower name or of a similar genre.

So I submit that she WAS named after someone very important that Sam felt he owed a debt to after his efforts in saving Frodo post Weathertop.

Goldilocks Gardner is named after Glorfindel!!!

Anon

Anon!!!!!

What does it feel like to have the biggest brain in the universe? Would you platonically marry me so that I can gaze into your all wise eyes forever and contemplate the person who has singlehandedly changed my Gamgee family fan life?

#anon you are so clever oh god

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glitteringaglarond · 11 months

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In case the end of the LOTR Newsletter wasn't enough of a tear-jerker, I wanted to direct all of you to the un-published epilogue to the story, featuring Samwise and his family. Text transcribed by @godkingreiss here.

And one evening in March, 1436, Master Samwise Gamgee was taking his ease by a fire in his study, and the children were all gathered about him, as was not at all unusual, though it was always supposed to be a special treat.

He had been reading aloud (as was usual) from a big Red Book on a stand, and on a stool beside him sat Elanor, and she was a beautiful child more fair-skinned than most hobbit-maids and more slender, and she was now running up into her ‘teens; and there was Frodo-lad on the hearthrug, in spite of his name as good a copy of Sam as you could wish, and Rose, and Merry, and Pippin were sitting in chairs much too big for them. Goldilocks had gone to bed, for in this Frodo’s foretelling had made a slight error and she came after Pippin, and was still only five and the Red Book rather too much for her yet. But she was not the last of the line, for Sam and Rose seemed likely to rival the old Gerontius Took in the number of their children as successfully as Bilbo had passed his age. There was little Ham, and there was Daisie in her cradle.

'Well dear,’ said Sam, 'it grew there once, because I saw it with my own eyes.’

'Does it grow there still, daddy?’

'I don’t see why it wouldn’t, Ellie. I’ve never been on my travels again, as you know, having all you young folk to mind - regular ragtag and bobtail old Saruman would have called it. But Mr. Merry and Mr. Pippin, they’ve been south more than once, for they sort of belong there too now.’

'And haven’t they grown big?’ said Merry. 'I wish I could grow big like Mr. Meriadoc of Buckland. He’s the biggest hobbit that ever was: bigger than Bandobras.’

'Not bigger than Mr. Peregrin of Tuckborough,’ said Pippin, 'and he’s got hair that’s almost golden. Is he Prince Peregrin away down in the Stone City, dad?’

'Well, he’s never said so,’ said Sam, 'but he’s highly thought of, that I know. But now where were we getting to?’

'Nowhere,’ said Frodo-lad, 'I want to hear about the Spider again. I like the parts best where you come in, dad.’

'But dad, you were talking about Lórien,’ said Elanor, 'and whether my flower still grows there.’

'I expect it does, Ellie dear. For as I was saying, Mr. Merry, he says that though the Lady has gone the Elves still live there.’

'When can I go and see? I want to see Elves, dad, and I want to see my own flower.’

'If you look through a glass you’ll see one that is sweeter,’ said Sam, 'though I should not be telling you, for you’ll find it out soon enough for yourself.’

'But that isn’t the same. I want to see the green hill and the white flowers and the golden and hear the Elves sing.’

'Then maybe you will one day,’ said Sam. 'I said the same when I was your age, and long after, an there didn’t seem no hope, and yet it came true.’

'But the Elves are sailing away still, aren’t they, and soon there’ll be none, will there, dad?’ said Rose; 'and then all will be just places, and very nice, but, but …’

'But what, Rosie-lass?’

'But not like in stories.’

'Well, it would be so if they all was to sail,’ said Sam. 'But I am told they aren’t sailing any more. The Ring has left the Havens, and those that made up their mind to stay when Master Elrond left are staying. And so there’ll be Elves still for many and many a day.’

'Still, I think it was very sad when Master Elrond left Rivendell and the Lady left Lórien,’ said Elanor. 'What happened to Celeborn? Is he very sad?’

'I expect so, dear. Elves are sad; and that’s what makes them so beautiful, and why we can’t see much of them. He lives in his own and as he always has done,’ said Sam. 'Lórien is his land, and he loves trees.’

'No one else in the world hasn’t got a Mallorn like we have, have they?’ said Merry. 'Only us and Lord Celeborn.’

'So I believe,’ said Sam. Secretly it was one of the greatest prides of his life. 'Well, Celeborn lives among the trees, and he is happy in his Elvish way, I don’t doubt. They can afford to wait, Elves can. His time is not come yet. The Lady came to his land and now she is gone; and he has the land still. When he tires of it he can leave it. So with Legolas, he came with his people and they live in the land across the river, Ithilien if you can say that, and they’ve made it very lovely, according to Mr. Pippin. But he’ll go to Sea one day, I don’t doubt. But not while Gimli’s still alive.’

'What happened to Gimli?’ said Frodo-lad. 'I liked him. Please can I have an axe soon, dad? Are there any orcs left?’

'I daresay there are if you know where to look,’ said Sam. 'But not in the Shire, and you won’t have an axe for chopping off heads, Frodo-lad. We don’t make them. But Gimli, he came down to work for the King in the City, and he and his folk worked so long they got used to it and proud of their work, and in the end they settled up in the mountains up away west behind the City, and there they are still. And Gimli goes once every other year to see the Glittering Caves.’

'And does Legolas go to see Treebeard?’ asked Elanor.

'I can’t say, dear,’ said Sam. 'I’ve never heard of anyone as has ever seen an Ent since those days. If Mr. Merry or Mr. Pippin have they keep it secret. Very close are Ents.’

'And have they never found the Entwives?’

'Well, we’ve seen none here, have we?’ said Sam.

'No,’ said Rosie-lass; 'but I look for them when I go in a wood. I would like the Entwives to be found.’

'So would I,’ said Sam, 'but I am afraid that is an old trouble, too old and too deep for folks like us to mend, my dear. But now no more questions for tonight, at least not till after supper.’

'But that won’t be fair,’ said both Merry and Pippin, who were not in their teens. 'We shall have to go directly to bed.’

'Don’t talk like that to me,’ said Sam sternly. 'If it ain’t fair for Ellie and Fro to sit up after supper it ain’t fair for them to be born sooner, and it ain’t fair that I’m your dad and you’re not mine. So no more of that, take your turn and what’s due in your time, or I’ll tell the King.’

They had heard this threat before, but something in Sam’s voice made it sound more serious on this occasion. 'When will you see the King?’ said Frodo-lad.

'Sooner that you think,’ said Sam. 'Well now, let’s be fair. I’ll tell you all, stay-uppers and go-to-bedders, a big secret. But don’t you go whispering and waking up the youngsters. Keep it till tomorrow.’

A dead hush of expectancy fell on all the children: they watched him as hobbit-children of other times had watched the wizard Gandalf.

'The King’s coming here,’ said Sam solemnly.

'Coming to Bag End!’ cried the children.

'No,’ said Sam. 'But he’s coming north. He won’t come into the Shire because he has given orders that no Big Folk are to enter this land again after those Ruffians; and he will not come himself just to show he means it. But he will come to the Bridge. And - ’ Sam paused. 'He has issued a very special invitation to every one of you. Yes, by name!’

Sam went to a drawer and took out a large scroll. It was black and written in letters of silver.

'When did that come, daddy?’ said Merry.

'It came with the Southfarthing post three days ago on Wednesday,’ said Elanor. 'I saw it. It was wrapped in silk and sealed with big seals.’

'Quite right, my bright eyes,’ said Sam. 'Now look.’ He unrolled it. 'It is written in Elvish and in Plain Language,’ said Sam. 'And it says: Elessar Aragorn Arathornsson the Elfstone King of Gondor and Lord of the Westlands will approach the Bridge of Baranduin on the first day of Spring, or in the Shire-reckoning the twenty-fifth day of March next, and desires to greet all his friends. In especial he desires to see Master Samwise Mayor of he Shire, and Rose his wife, and Elanor, Rose, Goldilocks and Daisie his daughters, and Frodo, Merry, and Pippin and Hamfast his sons. There you are, there are all your names.’

'But they aren’t the same in both lists,’ said Elanor, who could read.

'Ah,’ said Sam 'that’s because the first list is Elvish. You’re the same, Ellie, in both, because your name is Elvish; but Frodo is Iorhail, and Rose is Beril, and Merry is Gelir, and Pippin is Cordof, and Goldilocks is Glorfinniel, and Hamfast is Marthanc, and Daisie is Arien. So now you know.’

'Well that’s splendid,’ said Frodo, 'now we all have Elvish names, but what is yours, dad?’

'Well, that’s rather peculiar,’ said Sam, 'for in the Elvish part, if you must know, what the King says is Master Perhail who should rather be called Lanhail, and that means, I believe, “Samwise or Halfwise who should rather be called Plain-wise”. So now you know what the King thinks of your dad you’ll maybe give more heed to what he says.’

'And ask him lots more questions,’ said Frodo.

'When is March the 25th?’ said Pippin, to whom days were still the longest measures of time that could really be grasped. 'Is it soon?’

'It’s a week today,’ said Elanor. 'When shall we start?’

'And what shall we wear?’ said Rose.

'Ah,’ said Sam. 'Mistress Rose will have a say in that. But you’ll be surprised, by dears. We have had warning of this a long time and we’ve prepared for the day. You’re going in the most lovely clothes you’ve ever seen, and we’re riding in a coach. And if you’re all very good and look as lovely as you do now I shouldn’t be at all surprised if the King does not ask us to go with him to his house up by the Lake. And the Queen will be there.’

'And shall we stay up to supper?’ said Rose, to whom the nearness of promotion made this an ever-present concern.

'We shall stay for weeks, until the hay-harvest at least,’ said Sam. 'And we shall do what the King says. But as for staying up to supper, no doubt the Queen will have a word. And now if you haven’t enough to whisper about for hours, and to dram about till the sun rises, then I don’t know what more I can tell you.’

The stars were shining in a clear sky: it was the first day of the clear bright spell that came every year to the Shire at the end of March, and was every year welcomed and praised as something surprising for the first time every year.

All the children were in bed. Lights were glimmering still in Hobbiton and in many houses dotted abut the darkening countryside. Sam stood at the door and looked away eastward. He drew Mistress Rose to him and held her close to his side. 'March 18th’, he said. 'This time seventeen years ago, Rose wife, I did not think I should ever see thee again. But I kept on hoping.’

'And I never hoped at all, Sam,’ she said, 'until that very day; and then suddenly I did. In the middle of the morning I began singing, and father said “Quiet, lass, or the Ruffians will come,” and I said “Let them come. Their time will soon be over. My Sam’s coming back.” and he came.’

'I did,’ said Sam; 'to the most belovedest place in all the world. I was torn in two then, lass, but now I am whole. And all that I have, and all that I have had I still have.’

They went in and shut the door. But even as he did so Sam heard suddenly the sigh and murmur of the sea on the shores of Middle-earth.

#lotr newsletter #newsletter may 25 #i made it un-rebloggable because i want y'all to reblog from op who put in all the work to transcribe it #but also it deserves to show up in the tag #hence my copy paste/don't reblog attempt #my op

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timeladyjamie · 2 years

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Tolkien’s Legendarium Ladies - (4/∞): Rose “Rosie” Gamgee (nee Cotton)

Rosie was born in TA 2984, the second child and first daughter of Tolman Cotton and Lily Brown. The Cotton family lived in a farm on the South Lane, which was fairly close to Bywater. Not much of her youth is known, except that she and her brothers - Young Tom, Jolly, Nick and Nibs - frequently swam in the Bywater Pool with the children of the Gamgee family, to which the Cottons were close.

Rosie was still fond of Sam when both grew to adulthood, and when he announced he'd be going with Frodo Baggins to Crickhollow, she did not like it. Even though everyone had given up hope of seeing Sam - or any of the other Hobbits - back, she waited patiently. Since the Spring of T.A. 3019, she had expected Sam to return. Rosie was relieved to find Sam on the doorstep on November 2.

Rosie and her mother tended to Sam, Frodo and several others that night, as they prepared to drive out the Ruffians. With shining eyes and a smile on her face she heard Frodo tell of Sam's adventure and fame abroad. Sam and Frodo lived with the Cottons until Bagshot Row and Bag End were restored, the following Spring. Sam later joined Frodo in Bag End, but was torn in two - he wanted to stay loyal to Frodo, as well as marry Rosie. Frodo solved this problem by telling Sam that he and Rosie would both be welcome to live with him at Bag End after the wedding. Sam and Rosie married on May 1, T.A. 3020, and moved into Bag End. There, they lived happily, and begot Elanor, their first daughter, who was born on the anniversary of the Downfall of Sauron.

Rose bore a record thirteen children; Frodo was born in Fo.A. 2, Rose-lass in Fo.A. 4, Merry in Fo.A. 6, Pippin in Fo.A. 8, Goldilocks in Fo.A. 10, Hamfast in Fo.A. 11, Daisy in Fo.A. 12, Primrose in Fo.A. 14, Bilbo in Fo.A. 15, Ruby in Fo.A. 17, Robin in Fo.A. 19, and their last child, Tom, in Fo.A. 21. That year, 21, marked the only major undertaking of Mistress Rose. She and Sam travelled to Gondor, and stayed with King Elessar for well over a year. In the meantime, Rose's brother Tom took over Sam's tasks as Mayor. After their return, Rose would continue to live by her husband's side, until her passing at the age of 98 at Mid-year's Day of Fo.A. 61.

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yves-and-scessernee · 2 years

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You ever lie awake at 6:44 AM and think about how Samwise Gamgee had thirteen kids with Rosie Cotton and one of them was named Goldilocks.

#lotr #she married Pippin’s son Faramir and now I’m thinking about families blending and becoming one #like when you see Pippin and Sam together?#idk if Goldilocks and Faramir Took ever had kids but if they did and these boys knew about it by prophecy I bet they’d just kick back #with the good tobacco #and say Grandfathers! together

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Tolkien's Abandoned Epilogue

“And [Sam] went on, and there was yellow light, and fire within; and the evening meal was ready, and he was expected. And Rose drew him in, and set him in his chair, and put little Elanor upon his lap. He drew a deep breath. ‘Well, I’m back,’ he said.” - The Return of the King, Book 6, Chapter 9: “The Grey Havens”

These are the famous final words in the story of The Lord of the Rings. Sam, the ever true hero returns home to his family at Bag End after bidding farewell to his best friend at the Grey Havens. From here, Tolkien’s book goes on to its appendices, consisting of high level histories of famous realms, family trees, scraps of stories throughout history, notes on language, and more. But this was not always Tolkien’s intent, for he envisioned the story to continue, briefly giving us a glimpse into Sam’s life many years later.

The tale picks up in the 15th year of the Fourth Age - that is, 15 years after Frodo sails into the West.

“And one evening in March, Master Samwise Gamgee was taking his ease by a fire in his study, and the children were all gathered about him, as was not at all unusual, though it was always supposed to be a special treat.

Tolkien goes on to list more of Sam and Rosie’s children: Goldilocks, Hamfast, and Daisy. Pointing out that like Bilbo passed the Old Took in age, Sam is on track to pass him in number of children - which of course he would with his 13th, Tom, born six years after this epilogue.

The epilogue launches into a dialogue primarily between Sam and Elanor, his firstborn. She is questioning him about her namesake - the Elanor flowers of Lórien and whether they grow there still. Sam says he doesn’t see why they shouldn’t, and after sharing that old Saruman would have called the plant ragtag and bobtail, he notes that Merry and Pippin have traveled outside the Shire more than once since the end of the war - for they now also sort of belong to the south. Then, Sam’s children named after Meriadoc and Peregrin chime in.

“‘And haven’t they grown big?’ said Merry. ‘I wish I could grow big like Mr. Meriadoc of Buckland. He’s the biggest hobbit that ever was: bigger than Bandobras.’

‘Not bigger than Mr. Peregrin of Tuckborough,’ said Pippin, ‘and he’s got hair that’s almost golden. Is he Prince Peregrin away down in the Stone City, dad?’

‘Well, he’s never said so,’ said Sam, ‘but he’s highly thought of, that I know. But now where were we getting to?’

‘Nowhere,’ said Frodo-lad. ‘I want to hear about the Spider again. I like the parts best where you come in, dad.’

‘But dad, you were talking about Lórien,’ said Elanor, ‘and whether my flower still grows there.’

‘I expect it does, Ellie dear. For as I was saying, Mr. Merry, he says that though the Lady has gone the Elves still live there.’

‘When can I go and see? I want to see Elves, dad, and I want to see my own flower.’

‘If you look in a glass you’ll see one that is sweeter,’ said Sam, ‘though I should not be telling you, for you’ll find it out soon enough for yourself.’” Sauron Defeated, Part One, Chapter XI: “The Epilogue”

Sam goes on to talk with his children about the Elves sailing west. Elanor specifically asks about Galadriel’s husband Celeborn - asking if he is sad, given his wife, Elrond, and others have sailed away some 15 years ago and in the years since. Sam says that he expects Celeborn is sad, as all Elves at this time are to a degree. We know that the time of the Elves and the dominion of the Three Rings is over, and the world is left to decay as they linger. Sam goes on to say that Celeborn lives among the trees and is also happy in his Elvish way, for they can afford to wait and his time is not yet come to sail west and rejoin Galadriel.

After Sam mentions Legolas, his son Frodo brings up Gimli. And in true child-fashion gives the uninterrupted thoughts of: “What’s happened to Gimli? I liked him. Please can I have an axe soon, dad? Are there any orcs left?”

Sam patiently answers saying there likely are Orcs left if you know where to look. He tells of how at this time, Gimli and his folk have helped the King of Minas Tirith, has settled in the mountains west behind the city, and visits the Glittering Caves every other year. This of course is a notable difference to what Tolkien eventually settled on, where Gimli founds the realm of the Glittering Caves rather than just the occasional visit. Sam of course also tells Frodo-lad that there are no Orcs in the Shire - and he will have no need for an axe for chopping off heads.

Elanor goes on to ask if Legolas continues to go visit Treebeard and if the Ents ever found the Entwives - a question many fans can appreciate. For his part, Sam says he can’t say whether Legolas, or Merry and Pippin for that matter, have seen the Ents since. And after Elanor admits to looking for Entwives whenever she is in the woods, Sam says that the missing Entwives are likely a trouble too old and deep for Hobbit-folk to mend.

Sam cuts off the questioning and his kids protest, to which he threatens to tell the King about their misbehavior. He then shares a secret with his children concerned with putting off bedtime - the King will be visiting on the 25th of March - one week from today - and all of them have been invited by name. Sam pulls out a large scroll that had arrived in the mail three days before. Written in both Elvish and Common Tongue it reads:

“Elessar Aragorn Arathornsson the Elfstone King of Gondor and Lord of the Westlands will approach the Bridge of Baranduin on the first day of Spring, or in the Shire-reckoning the twenty-fifth day of March next, and desires there to greet all his friends. In especial he desires to see Master Samwise Mayor of the Shire, and Rose his wife, and Elanor, Rose, Goldilocks and Daisy his daughters, and Frodo, Merry, and Pippin and Hamfast his sons.”

Elanor, who could read, notes that their names are different between the lists. Sam reveals to each their Elvish translations, Elanor’s being the same as it is as Elvish word. Frodo is Iorhail. Rose is Beril. Merry is Riben. Pippen is Cordof. Goldilocks is Glorfinniel. Hamfast is Marthanc. And Daisy is Arien.

Sam goes on to talk about their meeting with the King and that the Queen will also be there. He expects they will likely be invited up to the King’s house by the Lake. This of course is referencing Lake Evendim north of the Shire - an important location for not only Aragorn’s ancestors, but Galadriel and Celeborn as well.

What I find so delightful about this epilogue is the glimpse it gives us into Hobbit-children. I can only imagine Tolkien drawing from his own experience as a father being peppered with questions from Christopher about the color of Bilbo’s door helping to shape these interactions. Tolkien even brings up Hobbit-children in Letter 144 to Naomi Mitchison:

“Hobbit-children were delightful, but I am afraid that the only glimpses of them in this book are found at the beginning of vol. I. An epilogue giving a further glimpse (though of a rather exceptional family) has been so universally condemned that I shall not insert it. One must stop somewhere.”

This is yet another reference, where we find that delightful as Hobbit-children are, Tolkien decided one must stop somewhere, leading The Lord of the Rings to end where it does. Fortunately, Tolkien wasn’t quite done trying this out after the first go-round, and Christopher would give us the multiple versions of the epilogue in the History of Middle-earth volume “Sauron Defeated.”

In the second full version of the epilogue, we find that the focus shifts from a scene of Sam with a handful of his kids to a more intimate scene between Sam and Elanor. Here, Sam is sitting at the well-worn desk in his study at Bag End, making notes for what would be the foundations of his contribution to the Red Book started by Bilbo and continued by Frodo.

Elanor is described as beautiful and seems to have been gifted a memory of Elven-grace. She finds her Sam-dad with a page of Questions and Answers. He is merely making notes, answering the questions from Rose and their children. He notes that the last pages were left to him by Frodo, and he dare not write in them yet - he is still just making notes.

Some additional notes we find in this version include: Sam hasn’t heard whether Moria had been resettled, saying the prophecy of Durin may not be for their time - alluding to the later actions of Durin VII many years later. He also notes that there is still a lot of clearing up to be done in dark places. He notes that Legolas went south with Gimli, bringing many of his own people from Greenwood, settling in Faramir’s lands of Ithilien.

His son Merry had inquired about horses, and Sam notes that Shadowfax went on the White Ship with Gandalf. And that Meriadoc Brandybuck says that in Rohan there are now more horses than ever - for they are no longer stolen by evil forces. Meriadoc also plans to bring a pony back from his present visit to Rohan for Sam’s son Merry.

In an interesting tweak, on the topic of the Entwives, Sam says he would also like them to be found, and adds that perhaps the Entwives don’t want to be found and the Ents are tired of looking.

As in the first version, Sam and Elanor have a conversation about her flower that still grows in Lórien, and Celeborn who still lives there. They talk about the fading light of the Elves, and that there are still those who will remain for the days to come. Elanor says how Celeborn must have known his granddaughter Arwen would stay, but that Galadriel would leave - noting that it must have been sad for him. Then Elanor says how Frodo leaving must have been sad for her dad. Sam goes on to confide in Elanor a secret - before he left, Frodo said the time may come when Sam would take the same journey.

“‘I think maybe we haven’t said farewell for good. But I can wait. I have learned that much from the Elves at any rate. They are not so troubled about time. And so I think Celeborn is still happy among his trees, in an Elvish way. His time hasn’t come, and he isn’t tired of his land yet. When he is tired he can go.’

‘And when you’re tired, you will go, Sam-dad. You will go to the Havens with the Elves. Then I shall go with you. I shall not part with you, like Arwen did with Elrond.’

‘Maybe, maybe,’ said Sam kissing her gently. ‘And maybe not. The choice of Lúthien and Arwen comes to many, Elanorellë, or something like it; and it isn’t wise to choose before the time.

And now, my dearest, I think it’s time even a lass of the fifteen spring-times should go to her bed. And I have words to say to Mother Rose.’” - Sauron Defeated, Part One, Chapter XI: “The Epilogue”

It is here, before she goes to bed, that Elanor asks about the letter from the King, which brings Sam to remark that her spying is repayment for the spying he once did on Frodo as Frodo attempted to leave the Shire. He shares the letter with her, which notes now that they are to meet in one week, on April 2nd - meaning this all now takes place on March 25, the anniversary of the destruction of the One Ring. They discuss the proper decorum with the King and Queen, and Sam once again references Lake Evendim, this time adding that Elladan and Elrohir - Arwen’s brothers - will also be there. Elanor will indeed get her wish to see Elves. With that, Sam bids Elanor good night and, in both versions of the epilogue, Tolkien ends the story with Sam and Rose.

Before sharing that part of the tale, it’s worth noting just how important Tolkien saw the story of both Sam and Rosie, and Sam and Elanor. In Letter 131 to Milton Waldman, Tolkien says:

“I think the simple ‘rustic’ love of Sam and his Rosie (nowhere elaborated) is absolutely essential to the study of his (the chief hero’s) character, and to the theme of the relation of ordinary life (breathing, eating, working, begetting) and quests, sacrifice, causes, and the ‘longing for Elves’, and sheer beauty.”

Tolkien later would say to Katharine Farrer, in Letter 173:

“I still feel the picture incomplete without something on Samwise and Elanor, but I could not devise anything that would not have destroyed the ending, more than the hints (possibly sufficient) in the appendices.”

Finally, we conclude the epilogue with Sam and his Rosie outside Bag End…

“The stars were shining in a clear dark sky. It was the second day of the bright and cloudless spell that came every year to the Shire towards the end of March, and was every year welcomed and praised as something surprising for the season. All the children were now in bed. It was late, but here and there lights were still glimmering in Hobbiton, and in houses dotted about the night-folded countryside.

Master Samwise stood at the door and looked away eastward. He drew Mistress Rose to him, and set his arm about her.

‘March the twenty-fifth!’ he said. ‘This day seventeen years ago, Rose wife, I didn’t think I should ever see thee again. But I kept on hoping.’

‘I never hoped at all, Sam,’ she said, ‘not until that very day; and then suddenly I did. About noon it was, and I felt so glad that I began singing. And mother said: “Quiet, lass! There’s ruffians about.” And I said: “Let them come! Their time will soon be over. Sam’s coming back.” And you came.’

‘I did,’ said Sam. ‘To the most belovedest place in all the world. To my Rose and my garden.’

They went in, and Sam shut the door. But even as he did so, he heard suddenly, deep and unstilled, the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.” - Sauron Defeated, Part One, Chapter XI: “The Epilogue”

Personally, I love this glimpse into Sam’s life years after returning from the Grey Havens. The life of one who may be struggling to finish writing the Red Book, but one whose life is one and whole, full of things to enjoy and to be, and to do.

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Discord Highlights: Headcanon Marathon

Meg suggested I write this all as a bullet point list instead of copying the chat this time; which is probably a good idea considering the workload here LOL

On the night of 5/4/23, we here at the Fig Tree Discord Server got together and headcanoned:

Primrose Gamgee is a redhead like her mother

Prim was born deaf

Prim and her brother Bilbo are thick as thieves

Signing doesn't come naturally to Bilbo, but he tries his hardest, and Prim understands him anyway

Goldilocks may or may not be named the way she is because Sam wanted to name a daughter Galadriel but Rosie wanted the hobbit version so they compromised

For the first like four years of her life Goldi thought she was named after a flower like her big sisters and was very confused why her parents laughed when she asked to plant goldilocks in the garden

Frodo later comforts her like "it's okay they can't plant Frodo either" and that got her giggling like crazy

She decides dandelions are goldilockses and is delighted when they show up in the yard

Sam is not

Actually Sam is just fine with this because hobbit lawns encourage natural biodiversity and also dandelions are good in salads

The Gamgee family is a big loud singing household

The Sound of Music, but it's Bag End

Fatty Bolger has three daughters and no other kids

One is Athelas, nicknamed Addie

Addie got sick when she was young and lost most of her hearing

Addie is best friends with Prim Gamgee

Addie and Prim hang out all the time and, in addition to being fluent in SSL (Shire Sign Language), they also constantly make up their own nonsense signs so that no one else can understand them

Another Bolger daughter is Azalea, nicknamed Azzie

Azzie and Addie are very close in age

(Not sure if we reached a consensus on who's older, but I feel like Azzie is older)

Azzie is a natural storyteller; she gets it from her dad

Since she tells her stories with both her voice and her hands it's somehow more spellbinding

She discovered puppet shows at the age of 3 and a half and was instantly hooked

When she's older, she makes her own puppets

Puts on puppet shows for her family

They don't have any talking, just Action, and Addie loves the action best

She used to put on shows for Baby Heather before she was ambulatory and got quite offended once Heather was old enough to crawl away

The youngest Bolger daughter is Heather

Heather is a good deal younger than her sisters and is spoiled rotten but she's the sweetest thing

Heather is constantly hungry and always eating, and yet she stays Very Short

She's perfectly healthy and round, just Smol

Mental image: Four girl hobbits (Prim, Addie, Azzie, and Heather) in a blanket tent, signing rapidly to each other, and no words can be heard but an unending stream of giggles

They're having a sleepover and Fatty has to keep coming in to tell them to be quiet. Heather and Azzie promise they'll hush, but Prim and Addie don't realize how loud they're being and it just sets the other two off all over again.

Azzie hears the story of Beren and Luthien from Prim's dad (very important he is, he's the mayor, you know!), and she sews her own puppets and puts on a show of it

The Beren puppet has a hand that's held on by a button

Once (don't ask me how) Aragorn and Arwen get to watch Azzie's Beren and Luthien show

They have nothing but positive reviews

(Even if Baby Heather tried to eat the wolf puppet halfway through)

Arwen is delighted and wants to help Azzie make some beautiful blinged out elvish puppets with gems sewn into them

Azzie never uses them but they are kept in a glass box and TreasuredTM

Fatty likes to wrestle with his friends' sons, since he has no boys of his own

Addie, however, is a tomboy and WILL go at it with her father if given the chance

Addie and Frodo Gamgee got in a fight once. For fun. She's four years younger than Frodo, and bby Frodo had to suffer a lecture from his no-nonsense dad, but Addie got off easy and Frodo still holds a bit of a grudge lol

He still thinks she's cool tho

(To which I suggested: "ship??" and got at least one eyes emoji, so there's that)

Prim is neither the best friend who's always talking Addie down, nor the best friend who's constantly hyping her up, but the best friend who hangs back like "I won't stop you but you should NOT"

Secretly Prim likes tending wounds

She has a makeshift vet office in the backyard

Bby Bilbo brings her his dragon (it's a lizard named Smaug)

(I suggested the lizard actually be a skink but the jury's still out on that one)

The Gamgees do not have pets, as a rule, but many animals and pet bugs are either smuggled or wander in

Rosie like "where's my best pot??" too bad now it's the home of Pippin's grasshopper

The Tooks, on the other hand, have lots of pets and very absurd ones too

Real conversation between Goldilocks and Rosie: "But Ma, why can't I play with the snake?" "Because it's poisonous. If it bites you, you will die." "But Faramir has a pet snake." "Faramir has a what now"

When they're older, Faramir and Goldie end up being that super weird couple with exotic pets and no kids for a very long time

"Ma when we get married we'll have snakes" "No Goldi" "Ma Faramir said so" "SAM call off the marriage" "They're seven, love—" "Call it off"

Mental Image: Estella is a fantastic baker. She's in the kitchen at Crickhollow or Brandyhall with a mess of little girls—her nieces and daughter(s)—all around her, talking and signing instructions, and no one is listening to her, and there's flour EVERYWHERE, and she's getting exasperated but simultaneously loving it

Elanor, being the oldest of a TON of younger cousins/relatives, is sort of the de facto leader on play dates

Get all the Gamgees, Brandybucks, Tooks, and Bolgers together, and Elanor can be seen holding a stick over her head like a general's baton and leading this veritable army of hobbit children down to the Party Field

Elanor was pretty uninterested in romance when she was young—too busy doing other things to get fussed about boys, and her standards were too high for most of them anyway—until one day she met Fastred and she came home and said, "Ma, I've found him", and whaddya know she had

(Still undecided whether they met because Elanor was in Greenholm for some reason or Fastred came to Hobbiton on business with his father, but either way Elanor and Fastred didn't meet until towards the end of their tweens)

When Sam tells stories he adjusts them for the ears of kids

Merry does not

Not even a little bit

(Unless Estella is nearby in which case he's gonna get an earful)

"Hey, kids, wanna hear about the time I killed a demon??"

Estella from the other room: "MERRY NO"

He's a bad judge of what's too scary for kids

He tells the story of their adventure with no filter at all

Sam tries to teach the kids lessons through the stories and that love conquers all

Pippin adds his own little bits and pieces every time he tells it until his version and the OG are nothing alike

At one point Legolas had wings (when Gandalf asked him to bring down the sun on Caradhras) and Gimli ate rocks

Gimli has actually eaten rocks

It was on a dare and he doesn't want anyone to know

Pippin had no idea; it was just a lucky guess

One time the kids asked Gimli if he actually ate rocks and he's just nervously sweating and wondering how the heck they know that

Pippin is shocked to find out he was actually right about this when he was just talking out his butt

(Legolas has also eaten rocks on a dare but we all knew that already)

The oldest kids get together sometimes—Elanor, Frodo, Boromir, and Faramir—to talk about their parents and try to understand what they went through

Faramir Took talks about how sometimes his father refuses that he get near any sort of fire

He'll be playing in his home by firelight while Pippin watches from the doorway, muttering to himself I'd never, I'd never, so fiercely that little Faramir looks up in innocent surprise and asks what he's talking about

And Pippin has to leave the room before he starts to cry

(Deep down, Pippin is sure Denethor loved his son too)

(And the Palantir haunts him to this day)

Boromir Brandybuck confesses that he's heard his dad cry out in his sleep some nights and he's scared to ask his parents about it

Boromir: "My father is a Knight of Rohan and Master of Buckland, a brave Traveller. He's never afraid." Elanor: "...He might be." Boromir: "No."

Merry's laughing in the face of fear mentality has an unintended effect on Boromir in particular. He wants to be his father; he wants to be fearless; Dad makes it look so easy!

Estella overhears once and has to explain the difference between fear and cowardice

The first time young Faramir goes to Gondor with this family, and poor little Goldi doesn't go, Rosie is struck with the sense of waiting her baby must be feeling

"He's my best friend ma" "I know, love" "It's far"

Rosie thinks, well, at least Goldi knows where he's going and when he's coming home again

When Theodoc's AccidentTM happened—the one that broke his feet and crippled him—the doctors were all telling Merry that Theodoc will live. All the pony did when it fell on him was crush his legs.

But Merry thinks they're lying. No, he is SURE that they are lying, because that's just how Theoden died. Crushed beneath his horse. They were both destined to die this way.

He cursed his son the moment he decided to honor the king who was like a father to him.

There he is, having a panic attack right there while the doctor is in with Theo, like "I killed him, I killed him, I killed my son—"

(And Pippin is the one who comforts him; Pippin, the one who has nightmares sometimes about burning with his Faramir)

The Travellers all talk about Gandalf differently

Sam waxes eloquent about his fireworks

That's all he talks about

Pippin laughingly and affectionately exaggerates how cranky Gandalf always was

"Once I rode on a horse with him" "Ooooooo"

"Didn't he call you a fool of a Took?" "NO that is what he called Merry but he is always caught up in his wizardry that he sometimes forgets that Merry unfortunately isn't a Took"

(Cue the distant, insulted Brandybuck noises)

Merry is the only reliable source of information, but only if you catch him in the right mood; otherwise he'll only mention the smoke rings Gandalf would blow

Merry has a killer Gandalf impression. Chomping on the pipe and everything

Bby Bilbo gets all his Gandalf info from Merry and Sam is Very Offended

(However, Sam owns Bilbo Sr.'s book, so that earns Bilbo Jr.'s trust back)

Frodo has had it up to HERE with fireworks, so he flees with his little brother to listen to Uncle Merry

They ask about Gandalf, and Uncle Merry goes "ah yes, brilliant fellow, a real grump. gorgeous fireworks—" and Frodo about tears his own hair out

(Merry is doing this on purpose. He knows how Sam gets about the darn fireworks.)

Frodo: "We have one last option. We have to go to Uncle Pippin."

Bilbo: "Do you trust everything he says? He once said that Mr. Legolas had wings."

Bilbo: "Mr. Legolas doesn't have wings."

Frodo: "How do you know that?"

Bilbo: "I don't want to talk about it"

(Legolas loves being called Mr. Legolas, but only by little hobbits)

And then there's the one about the lullaby Sam uses for his kids, but I'm saving that for a future fanfic ;-)

CURRENT ROLL CALL

Brandybuck Kids: Theodoc (Theo/Trotter), Periadoc (Perry), Eomer (Merry?), Juniper, Madoc, Boromir (Rory), Eowyn (Wyn)

Took Kids: Faramir (Ferry), Simbelmyne (Minnie), Beregond (Berry), Sable

Bolger Kids: Athelas (Addie), Azalea (Azzie), Heather

General credits to @invisiblewashboard, @writingvalkyrie, @grondds-and-roses, and the illustrious Meg, you absolute madlasses X'-D

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