#anti rebecca sugar

[bio-metal404]

#shitpost #my art #anti vivziepop #anti rebecca sugar #<- she done pedophiliac stuff

[fatheriimaginedyoutaller]

Me, reading the Ending of Road to Injustice: He tries to hug the dictator out of being a fascist? Wait, that's not Tom Taylor, that's Rebecca Sugar with a fake beard!

#my post #damian wayne #jon kent #anti jon kent #dc batman #batman #dc comics #superman #anti tom taylor #anti rebecca sugar #su critical

[sjbattleangel]

The Virgin Lily Orchard:

Sides with abusers

Lies about having Indigenous heritage

Is horrifically abusive to friends and family

Always sides with corporations

Writes awful revenge-fics out of spite

Fetishizes black women

Dismisses an entire cultural animation medium (anime) as "spankbait for perverts"

Wrote the worst writing advice ever

Has a pathetic vendetta against Rebecca Sugar for simply existing

Sends death threats to creators

Throws marginalized creators under the bus for not being "woke" enough

Lied about being a "highly sought-after writer" solely to spite Rebecca Sugar, ND Stevenson, Darron Nefcy, Dana Terrace and her sister

Hates Asians

Hates Jews

Holds nothing but contempt for animation

Wants all of animation to be nothing but slice-of-life romantic comedies

Wants the Hays code back

The Chad Rebecca Sugar:

One of the nicest people working in the industry

Has fought hard for diversity and representation in animation

Is incredibly talented

Is friends with Alex Hirsch (Gravity Falls), Matt Braly (Amphibia) and many others

Paved the way for more diverse creators

Has won multiple awards

Wrote and sang songs for Adventure Time

A non-binary, bisexual Jewish woman whose background and experiences influence her work

Created one of the most groundbreaking, inclusive, LGBTQ+ friendly shows of all time

Fought against higher-ups when they tried to censor the queerness of her work

Helped normalize discussions of kids' mental health

An uplifting inspiration to a generation of queer kids growing up

Influenced by both western animation and anime

Married to Ian Jones Quartey

#lily orchard #rebecca sugar #steven universe #lily orchard is a hack #anti-lily orchard #screw lily orchard #lily orchard critical #lily peet #cartoons #animated series #animation #virgin and chad #virgin vs chad #memes #meme #funny #jokes #anti-su critical #su critical critical #lily orchard is toxic

[music-moon]

A playlist for when you’re losing sight, losing touch and all the little things seem to matter so much.

#concept playlist #playlist #spotify #spotify playlist #music #steven universe #here comes a thought #anti anxiety #anxiety #intrusive thoughts #overwhelmed #antifragile #healing #calm down #music playlist #pop music #girlblogging #rebecca sugar #get well soon #female vocalist #singer songwriter #mixtape #aesthetic playlist #feel better #stay strong #soothing #recovery #uplifting #take a breath #music to relax

[is-the-owl-video-cute]

I know personally as someone who was in my mid-late teens when I watched su, it really mattered to me to get to see a show that said parent figures aren't just right because they said so, and you DO deserve an apology when they hurt you, but one that also had the nuance to show that while you deserve reconciliation and apologies for being hurt by them, they also act with their own reasons and not usually out of a callous disregard for you. Like yes it obviously doesn't flat apply to full on abusive parents, but to parents who were neglectful without really meaning to be or being unable to do anything about it (like, parents who needed to always be at work or who couldn't be there for you) it's actually very relatable and well calculated. Ngl I think some people just dont know what to do with media they don't directly relate to or immediately understand. I did also see a lot of su criticals who tried to claim the show was about forgiving abusers for this exact reason, but I think you only really get that interpretation out of it if you think all media should be about you specifically

In all honesty, the diamonds really did show three different types of parents who are incredibly toxic and damaging to their children without meaning to hurt them.

Yellow is a workaholic, and holds a very strict no-nonsense attitude. She didn’t make time for Pink or treat her problems as legitimate until it was too late, but she did still very clearly care about her. She didn’t let her emotions show to anyone, least of all to herself because she saw them as an obstacle to what needed to be done.

Blue is her polar opposite, she suffered greatly from a loss and (in this case, correctly) blamed herself for every part of it while never actually processing or overcoming her grief. By not taking care of herself, she lashes out at others and cannot move forward. Before Pink was shattered, Blue was indignant, disdainful, and quick to take out frustrations on Pink when she felt “embarrassed” by her not conforming to their expectations.

White was condescending and more dismissive than the other two. Quick to belittle and intimidate to get her way. She loved Pink, yes, but more in the way one might love a nice coat. She was a perfectionist and projected that need to be right and perfect (literally) on every other gem, the other diamonds most of all as they are implied to be of her own creation. Her ego and inability to accept being wrong (or by extension, those she created doing what she decides is wrong) cause her to force Pink to fall into a role that she was never really suited to. She saw Pink as one of her greatest failures and something she needed to either fix or hide away.

All three of them together formed a very deeply toxic and emotionally abusive relationship towards each other and to Pink most of all. A few people take issue with Steven “forgiving” them as they misconstrue it as a victim forgiving abusers, but at the end of the day Steven is not nor was he ever Pink Diamond. He was mistaken for her and felt some of what she experienced because of that, but he was not a long-term victim the way Pink was, in a lot of ways he was an outsider who had context of the situation and wanted to step in to keep them from hurting anyone else.

More to the point, he doesn’t forgive any of them. He calls them out on their toxic behavior and tries to get the point across to each of them that the way they’ve been living isn’t healthy for anyone, and is actively traumatic not only to them but for everyone they hold power over. The end of the series sees him teaching them how to atone for some of what they’ve done and to help others heal, but he doesn’t stay with them, nor does he invite them to stay on earth despite extending that offer to just about every other gem he encountered. It’s established in the movie that he almost never visits any of them outside of his activism and subtly making sure they aren’t regressing into dangerous people again. In the epilogue series he is shown to be (rightfully) distrustful of Blue and Yellow as well as being openly afraid of White. He helped them feel closure for Pink and repaired the relationship the three of them had, and that was it. Even if he had been in that abusive environment for as long as Pink was, that isn’t an unreasonable response. Some victims of (unintentional!) emotional abuse do find catharsis in confronting their abuser once safely out of that situation and expressing the way that behavior harmed them. Some victims genuinely do want their abusers to become better and healthier people when the abusive traits stem from their own trauma or lack of emotional intelligence. There are other victims in the show who completely sever ties with their abusers and never interact with them again, so this wasn’t trying to push a narrative that victims MUST do that, it was giving people language and strategies to approach these conversations if that is something they want to attempt.

This was another of my famous rambles, but I suppose in conclusion I would say: whether SU crits liked it or not, the final arc of Steven Universe was absolutely helpful to people in toxic home environments. It also served as an allegory for queer children not being accepted by their parents for who they are, and how changing your perspective as a parent and accepting your child is legitimately a healthier option for everyone because to do otherwise just ensures you will lose them in every way that matters.

There’s just a lot of important takeaways from that arc, especially for children. I’m incredibly tired of seeing grown adults whining about it because they chose to take it literally. Well done on missing the point of a show for middle schoolers I suppose, but idk if you really just want to see all villains get killed for their villainy just go watch Breaking Bad or the lion king or something. There are plenty of shows where violence is the answer, there’s not any real point getting furious over one of the few that don’t use that as the ultimate conclusion.

#SU #it’s a show for queer children #the entirety of the Gem Society is meant as an allegory for queer people learning to accept themselves and to show #that society accepting queer people is a good thing for everyone #Steven Universe #Anti SU critical #Rebecca sugar #steven universe future

[todomemolesta18]

When rebecca receive a lot backlash and slander there's not a lot people defended her as much as people defended vivziepop

Double standard? Is not fair what happened to Rebecca :/

#ask #pro rebecca sugar #anti vivziepop

[sarasade]

One of the most generally useful things to come out of Hbomberguy's plagiarism video and Todd in the Shadows' similar video on misinformation is how they bring transparency to the internet phenomenon of "I made up a guy to get mad at".

Seriously, I've seen people make up a lot of stupid shit on the internet over the years and it's often just a manipulative attempt to paint a group of marginalized people in a bad light.

That's the TL;DR version of this post. 

ANYWAY here is the long version

Those videos are mostly about James Somerton's plagiarism of other queer people's work. However I'd like to talk about that 20-30% of Somerton's original writing- and oh boy. It's mostly about complaining about White Straight Women and misgendering well-known trans creators such as Rebecca Sugar and calling Becky Albertalli a straight woman while it's pretty common knowledge that she was forced to out herself as bi because she received so much harassment over "being a cishet woman who appropriates LGBT+ stories".

One thing that irks me especially is how in his Killing Stalking and Gay Shipping videos Somerton brings up how straight women/ teen girl shippers exploit gay men for their personal sexual fantasies. This gets brought up several times in his videos.

Being all up and arms about Somerton being a "White Cis Gay Who Hates Women and Queer People tm" is not that useful because the kind of rhetoric he's using is extremely common in fandom and LGBT+ spaces on Tumblr, TikTok and Twitter. We really don't need to bring Somerton's identity to this since he is in no way an unique example.

It's hypocritical to make this about an individual person when I've seen A TON of posts, tweets and videos where queer people talk about these Sinister Straight Women who are supposedly out there fetishizing and exploiting queer men. It's pretty clear to me that this is just an excuse to shit on women and queer people for having any sexual interests. At worst these comments are spreading misinformation about BL, a form of media that has been excessively studied by both Asian feminists and Asian queer women.

This all sounds really familiar and I think it's good that people are calling it out as what it is: misogyny and transphobia. I'd also point out the potentially racist motives behind being this hypervigilant about Asian media.

People can absolutely be misogynist regardless of gender or orientation. I really don't know why we need to create some kind of made up enemy to get mad at. I actually think it's almost sinister how "anti-fujoshi" people call Slash shippers and fujoshi misogynists or claim that they have internalised misogyny while being dismissive about women's interests and creative pursuits under Japanese obscenity laws, China's censorship, book bans in American schools and various other disadvances that are part of being a queer and/or female creator.

I think we shouldn't be naive about the bad faith actors who want to turn queer people against each other. For example Fujoshi.info mentions anti-gender (TERF, GC etc) movement using this kind of rhetoric as well.

Anyway if you want to read more:

- about the false info around BL fandom fujoshi.info

-There is the scholar Thomas Baudinette who studies gay media in Japan. Here is a podcast with him and the scholar Khursten Santos

-James Welker is a BL scholar as well. Here is a podcast interview about the new international BL article collection he edited.

-I've already talked about this Youtube channel by KrisPNatz and his great Killing Stalking video that actually engages with the themes of the manhwa

- There is also HR Coleman's thesis DO NOT FEED THE FETISHIZERS: BOYS LOVE FANS RESISTANCE AND CHALLENGE OF PERCEIVED REPUTATION where she interviews 36 BL fans and actually breaks down why fetishization has become such a huge talking point in the fandom discourse. Spoilers, it's mostly about young queer people and women being worried that they will get judged and pathologized for their interest in anything sexual.

-Great podcast about Danmei and censorship with Liang Ge

#Also I don't mean that you can always tell if someone is a transphobe or a TERF based on a couple of things they have said. #My point is that sometimes ok people can have very regressive ideas too. #This is not a call out post about how we should go around accusing anti-fujoshi people #todd in the shadows #hbomberguy #sarasade text #even I've got those “Fandom is mostly straight women fetishizing gay men” comments once and it begins to sound kind of passive-aggressive #when you're a bi woman. Lot of fandom stats at AO3 show that fandoms are montly bi women. who are these people calling straight exactly hmm #also straight women are completely ok leave them alone. I know I know Yes I'm so brave for saying this #cw: transphobia

[battybiologist]

James Somerton is a misogynist piece of shit, but the way he speaks about lesbians is an infuriating betrayal of the queer community.

Legally, lesbians were and are treated on the same level of bad as gay men. Gay panic doesn't and has never excluded them, same as convertion therapy, same as anti-sodomy laws, same as police brutality, and many more I could mention.

And socially? Women as a whole are already persecuted, so add homophobia to the mix, and I doubt that'd lead to less discrimination than what gay men suffer from. And that's not even getting into how shittily trans lesbians are treated

But frankly, we all know why he said that. The section where he misgenders Nate Stevenson and Rebecca Sugar and throws them under the bus really says it all: it's because, in his fucked up mind twisted by misogyny, there was more "lesbian representation" in media.

The kind of representation where they're demonized, dehumanized, and erased, where their deaths and hardships are treated shallowly and without a hundredth of the compassion spared for their straight leads, where they're fetishized and objectified for the sole eyes of straight men, sometimes all of the above at the same time.

Fuck this guy.

#james somerton #lesbophobia cw #misogyny cw #homophobia tw #misgendering mention #transmisogyny mention #trans women are women #trans men are men #trans people are people #terfs can go die #just putting those last four tags because tumblr started recommending me terf tags for this post

[maedelin]

THIS JUST IN!!!!!

Apparently Rogue's character is "ruined" for being interested in Magneto and for not lovin' Gambit the "right" way while he also has previous love interests and an ex-wife in XTAS *blocks and side-eyes blogs like remylebeaugambit* Makes me embarrassed to be a Remy fan rn.

If so-called Rogue fans are so uncomfortable with legal adult Rogue being attracted to Magneto in various media , maybe they should read a Kitty Pryde comic instead or stick to just watching that (actually pretty good ngl) high school AU that is X-Men: Evolution.

Heck, even Sid the sloth from the Ice Age movies gets less slack for dating the much older Brooke who also got magically de-aged just like Magneto. And nobody's saying that Sid is a victim and Brooke is a groomer because the Ice Age fandom is more normal than Rogneto antis and so-called fans of Rogue and Gambit's characters.

Agreed and well met, Traveler! I loved X-Men: Evolution as well. I'm fine with characters having many ships. I'm fond of calling it an armada. :) And my own personal cry is: Monogamy? In this economy?!

I agree with you: the age discourse is just awful. It's so upsetting to me. It's the most basic, reductive, simplistic argument. You can count the years but you add no value or depth to them.

It's not about Rogue being ruined it is about Rogue being ruined for *them*. Reading literacy and comprehension as well as looking at texts dialectically (at the least) is on the wane. You couple this with a strange "purity of concept" that seems to permeate our media, and we get this issue.

If you like a character, then that character is a statement on *you*, *your integrity*, *your morals*, *your ability* to be right. Therefore Rogue doing something against the perceived norm of the story (a story with low stakes, mind. We're less comfortable living in a state of unknowing even more these days) is not only an insult to Remy, but it is also an insult to them, their viewership, their expectations of the character, and ultimately a reflection of themselves.

We see then the knee-jerk reaction to distance, define, and denigrate. Suddenly, we're as obsessed with purity of character and dictating their "best practice" motives. They have to find a way to explain away the fault. Sometimes it's pushed back on the writers (especially if the writer is female...thinking Rebecca Sugar here and the SU writing pool) but often (especially for female presenting characters) the blame is shifted on a literal thought concept. It's insane!

X-Men is a soap opera with powers. Also, the most important thing to remember in my book is the main core of it: the X-Men are people. Not gods (sorry Krakoan Magneto, still love you, baby) but human beings who wish to coexist with you.

With laser beam eyes.

#rogue #magneto #anna marie #rogneto #rogueneto #ship and ship alike #erik lehnsherr #x-men #roguneto #marvel #gambit #remy lebeau #romyneto #romy

[twiniverse]

Losing my mind watching someone go on and on about how Rebecca Sugar and Steven Universe are anti-Christian. How Rebecca deliberately wrote the show to stick up a middle finger to Christians. Like. Just say your anti-Semitic and move on. Acknowledge that you think Jewish ideals and values are evil and against God and go the fuck away.

And no I will not apologize for this post. I'm tired of shit like this. Rebecca isn't the only one who wrote the show and Christianity isn't the only religion.

#pip post

[proshippers-against-censorship]

An anti called rebecca sugar a “groomer” for drawing ed edd n’ eddy nsfw (idk if i said the name correctly)

Rebecca was said to have been a minor herself when she drew them, whether or not that was true or not i don’t care as it literally adds nothing to the story unless i was talking to an anti

When random people defended it by saying “it’s not real”, some random absolute moron said, And i quote, “defending drawn CP puts you on an FBI watchlist” …

My mild irritation is turning into hate. Because not only is this drawing not something you’d go to jail for due to it being distinguishable from an actual picture and contains no real children, but also this person provided no proof…

Ugh.

#proshippers against censorship #jackal barks #proship please interact #proshippers please interact #proship positivity #proship #proshipper safe #proshipping #proshipper #anti anti #pro stance #ask #asks

[sjbattleangel]

"I'm not (media illiterate)."

Lily, you are one of THE MOST media illiterate people on the face of the earth! You decided Moon Girl And Devil Dinosaur was "automatically garbage" because you heard it was going to be serialized; You dismissed Amphibia as "irredeemable trash, sight unseen" because you heard it had a story and fell for some stupid nontroversy regarding a crew member's fanart; You sided with Disney suits when they cancelled The Owl House for being "too dark and scary for kids" to appease some moral guardians and watchdogs (who may've not even existed)! You want to control what kids watch, you want all of animation to be nothing but toothless, slice-of-life romantic comedies with no action, stakes or soul. Just like your crappy coffee shop AUs.

Not to mention whenever any piece of media contains disturbing and/or problematic moments, you automatically believe it equals "endorsement" and to you, we're all impressionable babies who can't tell fact from fiction and need to be "protected for our good." You just want censor and police fiction to satisfy your own holier-than-thou self-indulgence. Helen Lovejoy much?

"I didn't (accuse Rebecca Sugar of being a sex fiend)."

Hermana, WE HAVE RECEIPTS!

You and your simps decided that a sweet, wholesome picture of Steven wearing his mother's hand-me-downs is somehow Rebecca Sugar's way of "sexualizing him." Even more, in your awful Rebecca Sugar Must Die video, you accused Sugar of sexualizing the character of Stevonnie and that through fusion, Sugar made Seven and Connie "have sex". For this you constantly attacked Sugar as a "creep", "pervert", "disease", "fascist sympathizer", trying your hardest to convince everyone that Sugar is some Neo-Nazi pedophile.

No, Lily! Rebecca sugar is not-and never has been-a Neo-Nazi pedophile! She didn't sexualize Steven! She didn't sexualize Stevonnie! But most of all, fusion was never a metaphor for sex!

The only ones sexualizing Steven, Connie and Stevonnie are YOU and your simps!

#lily orchard #lily orchard critical #screw lily orchard #rebecca sugar #steven universe #connie maheswaran #stevonnie #media literacy #media illiteracy #lily orchard is a hack #lily orchard is an antisemite #lily orchard hates jews #su #anti-su critical #su critical critical #lily orchard is a bad critic #anti-lily orchard #mst3k #mystery science theater 3000 #Youtube

[kitkatopinions]

Just saw this today

And for the record, I don't know the person who posted this or anything about them or the 'fix-it' thing that they left this on, but I do want to talk about this.

Because never have I ever in all my time following RWBY and being involved in the community ever seen ANYONE not ONE PERSON even someone I've blocked use dialogue like "drain the swamp" in regards to RWBY or "make RWBY great again" just as a first of all. Like this feels like the very definition of 'make up a guy just to get mad at.'

Second of all, how hard to people have to try to justify that their opinion is the Morally Correct One and anyone who doesn't adhere to it is an Evil Heartless Immoral Monster? Doesn't it get tiring? I can't believe I have to say this, but writing fix-it fanfictions???? Is not a 'conservative' or 'liberal' stance????? Whether or not you want to think a cartoon is one hundred percent perfect has nothing to do with what political parties you follow?????? And honestly, this is rich, fucking rich considering A. that one of the founders of Rooster Teeth is like a 'conservative centrist' if I remember correctly lol and one of the prominant anti-Rwde people compared not liking Trump to wanting to murder people lol.

It's just fucking ridiculous. I think I get what this person is trying to say - that venom towards a show with (supposedly) representation for women and specifically queer women is something they affiliate with bigoted Republican Trumpian types. But this is willfully ignoring that a LOT of the people who criticize RWBY are queer people, and/or women, and/or disabled people, and/or people of color, and it's willfully ignoring that the criticism is of a bigoted corporation and writers that are majority cishet men some with trackable histories of bigotry writing for a show that's problematic at best and only somewhat recently has been able to provide the bare minimum in SOME representation. Although I won't speak for all fix-it fics and have had some problems with some RWBY fix-it fics in the past, a lot of people who write fix-it fics for RWBY are intending to make RWBY three times as diverse and have more and better representation. And I am just so fucking sick of the fact that Miles 'Said the N Word as A Twenty Six Year Old' Luna is held aloft along with the likes of Rebecca Sugar or held up higher than her and queer women like me will be compared to TRUMP SUPPORTERS if we dare to say 'actually I think that RWBY could be improved.'

I really wish that I could get a gif of Neku from The World Ends With You saying 'screw that' because that's how I feel. Like honestly, what the fuck is that stance, bro? People need to go touch grass about this RWBY issue before the 'actually it's morally wrong to think a cartoon could be better in any way' mentality infects the entire internet.

#rwde #vent post

[sophieinwonderland]

Thinking it over more, I do wonder if anti-endos actually are scared of plural headcanons... and maybe if they should be...

After all, look at what happened with the intermixing of the LGBTQ community and Fandoms. The LGBTQ community started headcanoning characters as being trans and shipping queer ships. They created welcoming environments for LGBTQ youths to express themselves.

And that environment where LGBTQ stuff was normalized produced artists like Rebecca Sugar who were able to depict LGBTQ content in mainstream children's media and further normalize it for the next generation

Imagine if the same thing happened with plurality.

Maybe anti-endos hate plural headcanons, and especially endogenic headcanons, because every plural headcanon by systems is another small step towards plural acceptance, making the world just a tiny bit better for inclusive plurals of all types.

With that in mind, here's a small thing you can do if you want to fight for plural rights:

If there's a plural headcanon or theory that you've been thinking about posting, post it. Express yourself to the world. On Tumblr, Twitter, Tiktok, Youtube, or wherever you feel comfortable. Just share your plural headcanons and theories with your favorite fandoms. Be they endogenic systems, traumagenic systems, tulpas, daemons, soulbonds, etc. (And if it is on Tumblr, make sure to post in all the fandom and plural tags that apply for maximum visibility.)

No single action can change the world on its own, but every single action, every time we make our voices heard, is another small step closer to acceptance.

#syscourse #plural #plurality #endogenic #pluralgang #plural system #multiplicity #systems #endogenic system #fandom #fandom things #fandom culture #sysblr #actually plural #pro endo #pro endogenic #endo safe #actually endogenic #plural positivity #plural community

[sirfrogsworth]

Someone mentioned that the difference between political messages in movies of the past and today is that in the past they were hidden in subtext and didn't "hit you over the head."

I'm not sure I agree with that. For one thing, in order to get certain messages into movies, the filmmakers had to be sneaky at times. They had no choice but to hide in the subtext. But that still happens a lot today as well. Steven Universe and Nimona come to mind. A lot of people completely missed the trans allegory in Nimona and Rebecca Sugar had to fight for any overt queer themes.

But also, there were plenty of older movies that hit you over the head with their messages. Star Wars may have hidden the Viet Cong = Rebel Alliance connection, but the Empire was pretty clearly a Nazi-like facist organization. Robocop and Starship Troopers come to mind—absolutley dripping with clear satire that some people still manage to miss somehow. Blazing Saddles was not subtle about its anti-racism stance.

It's a combination of what you can get away with during the time period and what you have to launder through subtext. Barbie didn't have feminist subtext because it didn't need to hide that message. But it was a very Feminism 101 overtness, and any deeper, more complicated feminist themes were still put in subtext. And many felt it didn't go nearly far enough and was too subtle still.

Film has always hit you over the head with what they are allowed to hit you over the head with and the rest is snuck in with the hopes people will pick up on the message.

[weaselbeaselpants]

From my last rb.

nah I'm serious helluvaverse fandom/standom/criticals/antis whatever you are do not let Lily Orchard in to play.

Look at what she does with corporate, company backed media for children and general audiences: she unapologetically called Rebecca Sugar a fascist, wrote a foalcon fic in her MLP days, thinks all anime is perverted even when it's made for kids. If Courtney is right about her, and Lily really is all bark and no bite, then that explains everything but whatever side she takes on being "pro" or "anti" anything, everyone else in her vicinity looses. Girl makes even her Family Guy opinions controversial.

She'd burn up in the sun the second one of those stan artists or critical bloggers touch her.

Anyway, the reason ILoveKimPossibleALot is trying to get Michael Boggs, an animator at Spindlehorse, fired is because when he was a minor Michael was a mod on a hate blog for ILoveKimPossibleALot. Lily wants ILoveKimPossibleALot's loyalty and is sticking her hand into the vivziepop controversy ring over it.

#lily orchard critical #vivziepop critical #critical fandom #my little pony critical #you really shouldn't wish predatory assholes on any group of people regardless of how pissed u get at them. #you also really shouldn't support someone just cuz u agree with their one take and they say they're gonna fight for you