Reverse Gondolin AU Family Portrait - House of the Queen
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Ar-Pharazon as the Witch King in @sesamenom´s AU
- that I´m in love with
I just love this whole golden Nazgul thing! It drives me crazy - love where the AU started, feral for where it´s going🙃
If anything is wondering what AU it is it´s the Reverse Gondolin one that have so much worldbuilding already and everything is amazing in it!! You all need to check it out
I tried to go with your design of his armor and my own for his face but it seems I was carried a bit away with the armor...
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Wrote a ficlet for @sesamenom ’s reverse gondolin AU. Inspiration willing I plan to write more.
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Wait is 5s still alive in the oops it’s all boba au??
Hmm I haven't really considered it? I've mostly been sticking to whereabouts-unknown clones for the Bobas, though I did throw Fox in for variety. I think if Fives is alive he would be with Rex & Echo, so not with the Boba Crew, but his death seemed pretty final so I'm not sure.
Also, "oops it's all boba" is hilarious lol
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for no reason, here is a list of aus that i constantly think about in my head and have written less than 1k words for. perhaps one day some of these will happen.
au where i have genderswapped every eldest son in the legendarium (feanor, maedhros, fingon, finrod, etc) and assumed that traditionally daughters can Not inherit titles under noldor law. woe complicated sibling dynamics be upon ye
au where fingon is captured during the nirn
role reversal au where (the majority of) the nolofinwions end up on the swan ships and (the majority of) the feanorians end up on the grinding ice.
urban fantasy au in which fingolfin runs a museum, maedhros gets accused of faking his own kidnapping, turgon kills someone in cold blood and buries him in gondolin retreat, hurin isn't paid well enough for this shit, and finrod does magic tricks
modern au where indis and miriel team up to investigate their mutual ex-husband's murder, university student feanor hacks the government, 13-year old fingolfin sneaks into places he's not supposed to be in, and 7-year-old finarfin mostly plays a lot of minecraft
au where every dead elf is eventually re-embodied as a baby so long as someone is willing to pick them up from the halls. woe reverse sibling orders be upon ye
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Silmarillion AU - Fingon Lives (Dark Fingon AU)
I’ve seen the idea of Fingon surviving the Nirnaeth (potentially along with Maedhros dying in it) and spent a bit of time considering what I thought the results of that might be.
And while I understand, on some level, the narrative-parallel appeal of a ‘reversed’ storyline where Fingon goes off the rails after losing Maedhros and joins up with the Fëanoreans for the Second Kinslaying, it doesn’t feel likely to me. I think he’d have quite different priorities.
If Maedhros dies in the Nirnaeth, Fingon is not going to blame Doriath, because it frankly takes a very tenuous and twisted chain of logic to get there, and there are much more obvious people for him to blame. First, Morgoth, who is not a viable target post-Nirnaeth. Second, and even more directly - the traitorous Easterlings, who, in a scenario where Maedhros died in the Nirnaeth, would probably have been the ones to kill him. Amd the Easterlings, now the occupiers of Fingon’s home territory of Hithlum and Dorthonion, are viable targets. So if Fingon is defeated, his army destroyed, and he goes (somewhat) off the rails, but he survives (possibly with a small number of others) and makes it back to Hithlum, the most likely putcome to me is him going ruthless-guerilla on the Easterlings who are occupying and oppressing his people and are responsible for the death of his closest friend. I can see scenarious where he gets something of a resistance movement going, and Túrin does not leave Hithlum and, once he hits his teens, joins up with them. That would be an interesting interaction, because Túrin’s canon interactions with elves are mostly with ones who have at least slightly more chill than he does, and that would not be the case here. I can see Tuor being part of it for a while before getting discomfited with hiw far the guerillas are willing to go (and how they’re not achieving much but revenge) and noping out of there and heading to Gondolin as in canon. That makes for an interesting AU in itself.
But that’s if you can come up with a plausible tactical mechanism that gets Fingon back to Hithlum. Because one of the reasons for the heroic last stand of the Men of the House of Hador, in addition to guarding Gondolin’s retreat, was because there was no way for them to get back to Hithlum, and they were not willing to be driven from their homes. So if Fingon survives, some of the Edain of Hithlum might as well. (You could even have a version where Húrin survives and isn’t captured and his family isn’t cursed, which is altogether more hopeful, not only because of the curse but because Húrin has a lot of good sense.)
The alternative, and tactically more plausible scenario, is one where Fingon survives the same way any other west-Beleriand forces who make it out of the Nirnaeth alive do - by retreating to Gondolin. And ironically, although that’s safer territory, I think it could end worse than the Hithlum option. Because Turgon post-Nirnaeth is 100% of the nobody-leaves-Gondolin mindset. During the retreat everyone is too exhausted abd demoralized to talk policy, but once they get there and Fingon learns via Thorondor that 1) his people are occupied by the Easterlings; 2) Maedhros has been betrayed and killed by the Easterlings; and 3) he’s never allowed to leave Gondolin to do anything about the first two items….he is not going to react well. In canon, some of the Noldor of Hithlum did join with the Gondolindrim and survive, so Fingon may still have a group that is loyal to him. It’s going to get messy.
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It's time!!! Check out this amazing fic we made for the Tolkien Reverse Summer Bang @tolkienrsb
Title: Sea-Heart by @senalishia
Full art here! by @oopsbirdficced
Art rating: G, Fic rating: E
Warnings: Canon-typical violence, explicit human-on-mermelf action
Relationships: Tuor/Voronwe, Tuor&Turin
Characters: Tuor, Voronwe, Turin
Word count: 33.4k
Summary: It's a Voronwe merfolk AU! The Falathrim of Cirdan were blessed by Ulmo to be able to change forms, equally at home on land or in the sea, and Voronwe inherited this gift from his mother. Unfortunately, this allowed him to tarry even longer after being shipwrecked before meeting Tuor in Vinyamar. This delay changes the course of their journey to Gondolin, allowing them to get to know each other better as well as bending their fate into the path of someone they might otherwise have missed...
Check it out now!
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Crack AU concept: Every Second Age Finwëan apart from Galadriel doesn’t actually have the origin they’re commonly purported to have:
No one is sure of Gil-Galad’s parentage because he’s actually a highly competent Green-Elf who looked around at the general chaos and destruction near the end of the First Age, sighed, rolled up his sleeves, and decided that someone had to start taking responsibility for this shit. Look, he never actually stated that he was anyone’s son, it’s just that people are more likely to listen to someone named “Scion of Kings” than they are to a random (if exceedingly capable) elf, and the assumptions kind of snowballed from there. His favourite pastime is dropping contradictory hints about his parentage and watching the ensuing confusion.
The fact of the matter is, Celebrimbor is a popular name among Elves. There was a Celebrimbor of Gondolin and a Celebrimbor of Doriath and even a Falmari Celebrimbor, formerly of Aman, who insists that he was the first Celebrimbor. They also all happened to be very skilled craftspeople so maybe there’s something to the name after all. So when a dark haired Elf with incredible skills in craft shows up in Lindon after the war calling himself Celebrimbor, son of Curufin, the only part that anyone bats an eye at is the “son of Curufin” part because who would knowingly associate themselves with the House of Fëanor in this day and age? Surely nobody would lie about that, and if they wouldn’t lie about that, why would they lie about anything else?
When it comes down to it, nobody really understands what it means to be peredhel, and especially not when it comes to their lifespan and aging. Furthermore, nobody really knows what happened to Elwing’s sons after the Third Kinslaying; everybody just assumed they were taken hostage and/or killed. Therefore, when during the War of Wrath, a pair of grown, clearly half-elven twins with a strong resemblance to Lúthien wash up in Balar, everybody assumes (with more than a little wishful thinking) that they must be Elwing’s sons, miraculously spared by the Fëanorians. As for the twins themselves, they feel more than a little guilty about assuming the identities of the nephews they never met, but they also figure that if they told the truth of their survival, they might be disbelieved or taken for spies of Morgoth, so they’ll go along with it for now and if their nephews do turn up, they’ll deal with it then?
(They did actually turn up a few decades into the Second Age, having been in the East where Maglor sent them before shit really started going down. They’re honestly just delighted to have living family more or less on this side of the Sea, and agree that it’d be too much of a bother to reverse the identity confusion now. One of them decides to go back east to the Greenwood where he’d made some good friends with the Silvan elves there, the other stays on with “Elrond” as a councillor and ambiguous “kinsman” who helps him fill in any missing details in the story)
Out of all of them, Celebrían is actually the child of Galadriel and Celeborn. Sometimes people are a little confused because they heard once that her parents had a son, Amroth, but it’s chalked down to poor communication and confusion with Amdír’s son since Amdír was friends with her parents. Celebrían thinks it was incredibly tacky to give your child the same name as your friend’s child, so really, she was doing her parents a big favour by renaming herself Celebrían. And honestly, while they don’t mind being Amroth (the superior Amroth because Amdírion is an idealistic romantic with his head in the clouds), they also like being Celebrían a little more.
(Galadriel concedes that naming them Amroth was not the most creative move and that Celeborn possibly lost a bet with Amdír before their birth, but she also thinks that Celebrían could do better than the lady of a little valley in the middle of nowhere, so really, Celebrían’s had enough of her mother’s advice for the next long-year or two)
+Gildor never claimed to be Finrod’s son, he’s just never actually disclosed how they’re related and since none of the other Finwëans (real or otherwise) have ever said anything about it, people just sort of follow their lead and assume it’s a non-issue. It’s actually the most mundane thing ever - his parents were among Finrod’s retainers in Aman and crossed the Ice with him; when they were both slain in the Dagor Aglareb, Finrod took the young Gildor on as a ward of his House.
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4, 16, 23 for the fic ask game? (4 for the fairest stars)
(fic ask game!)
4. What detail in the fairest stars are you really proud of?
oooh making me say nice things about this fic when it’s constantly frustrating me! One small thing I was rather pleased with was a little parallel between Maedhros and Maglor across parts 11 and 12 – namely, that they’re both repeatedly described as feeling very cold (Maglor because of the blood loss and Maedhros because mental health crisis). In part 11 Maedhros thinks: “There is a blizzard in his head, consuming him, making him shiver even when he huddles beside the warmest hearths in the castle, numbing him from the inside out.” Maglor, too, is noted to be shivering, and so Fingon gives him his cloak. (The same cloak he gave to Maedhros in part 6, incidentally. He keeps doing that.) But THEN in part 12 Maglor is getting weaker and Fingon realises with some concern that even though he keeps complaining of the cold he’s stopped shivering; and Curufin is also rather alarmed to notice after Maedhros’ weird orc-killing spree that he isn’t even shivering in the chilly air. I quite like the escalation there – parts 11 and 12 are two of my favourites and I’m proud of the way 12 builds on 11. Also I love these two an unreasonable amount.
16. What’s an AU you would love to read (or have read and loved)?
Something I’ve been thinking about lately is a role-reversal AU with Tuor going to Nargothrond and Túrin to Gondolin! I always find role reversals interesting but I don’t think I’m invested enough in the Edain characters to pull it off myself. But I want to see what Maeglin would make of Túrin (his sword was made by Eöl 👀), what Finduilas would make of Tuor, and how the fall of each city might go down differently. Something about the moment when the cousins cross paths and don’t recognise each other is so tantalising!
23. What’s a trope, AU, or concept you’ve never written, but would like to?
I want to write a setting change AU – my venture into canon divergence has been really fun, but I love the whole idea of transplanting characters into a completely different universe, it’s so creative. I suppose my answer generically is “modern AU”, but the silm AU that actually lives in my head is a WW1 AU with lots of tragic Russingon and epistolary episodes (I LOVE epistolary fic my beloved) and well-researched accurate historical details – this last being why I haven’t actually written it, it would require time and effort. Would probably also be quite educational, though.
Thank you for the ask friend 💕
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for the trope meme: Genderbend AU and Bed Sharing For Warmth :)
Ooh, okay the second I saw Bed Sharing I immediately thought of how the big climatic moment in the story of “Of Ingwë Ingweron” Post-Duel/during the Great Journey is when Ravennë finally, very publicly lies down on the sleeping pallet with Ingwë. It’s not exactly this trope, but it’s something well within my wheelhouse. The cliche abandoned cabin in the woods, one blanket fic was going strong when I first started reading fanfic, so I could probably do a formulaic version too for the Silm - Tuor and Voronwë on their way to Gondolin or Beren and Lúthien during their tour of the Deadly Nightshade that once was Dorthonion would be natural places to write it.
(Looks at the moments in fusion-universe Theon/Jeyne, be it the two moments in Hunter-bold or the passing out together right before Ancalagon goes crashing down - those count if there’s not actual bed?)
GenderBent AU -confession time. This is one of those tropes that don’t appeal to me. zilch, nada. Definitely not as a reader, so not really as a writer. I could try it, but I rather look at age-reversal AUs, something like DC Bombshells where the female characters replace the male characters in narrative importance, or any other type of AU instead. At most I could be comfortable with gender-bending a dwarven character because of canon leeway.
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@general-illyrin @tar-thelien @who-needs-words I think you all mentioned being interested in the reverse gondolin au - is anyone interested in helping with wrangling the timelines, especially the second age stuff? Here's the current outline:
(Edit: anyone feel free to help out if you're interested!)
YT 14365 - Birth of Lomion
YT 14373/FA 1 - Death of Argon
FA
2 - Aredhel adopts Lomion
300 - Birth of Idril
316 - Turgon & Idril kidnapped by Eol
400 - Turgon & Idril rescued. Death of Eol
465 - Finrod more-peacefully passes throne to orodreth while on Quest. Everyone except beren still dies
472 - Nirnaeth. Turgon named High King of the Noldor.
476 - Turgon abdicates official title. Aredhel named High King of the Noldor.
496 - Tuor comes to Gondolin
502 - Wedding of Idril and Tuor
503 - Births of Earendil and Elwing. Idril begins to have foresight dreams about the Fall.
506 - Second Kinslaying. C^3 dead, celebrimbor stays in gondolin. Aredhel denounces the oath/kinslaying and disowns C^3
Elwing survives & is found by Oropher & Thranduil // Galadriel & Celeborn. oropher, thranduil, oropher's wife, and thranduil's then-gf // galadriel & celeborn take Elwing to Gondolin as refugees. The Silmaril is left hidden in the woods of melian's domain.
507 - Elwing comes to Gondolin.
509 - Idril captured by Morgoth. Idril reveals the location of Gondolin in exchange for an Oath to not harm her family (Turgon, Tuor, and Earendil). Idril rescued.
510 - Gondolin prepares for war with Morgoth.
513-522 - Siege of Gondolin. Deaths of Duilin and Rog. Gothmog slain by Aredhel the Huntress. First use of the Three Rings by Lomion and Celebrimbor in defense of Gondolin. House of the Hammer of Wrath destroyed.
523 - Maedhros believes a Silmaril is with Elwing at Gondolin.
525 - Earendil weds Elwing. Lomion weds ???. Adoption of Gil-Galad
532 - Births of Elrond and Elros.
538 - Third Kinslaying at Gondolin. Death of Amras. Elrond and Elros kidnapped by Maglor. Deaths of Elwing and Turgon. Second use of the Three Rings by Lomion and Celebrimbor. Deaths of Maedhros and Aredhel. Lomion named King of Gondolin and High King of the Noldor. Deaths of Salgant, Penlod, and Tuor. Earendil named Lord of the House of the Wing.
540-549 - War declared between Gondolin and the Feanorians of Himring over the Third Kinslaying and kidnapping of Princes Elrond and Elros.
549 - Elrond and Elros recovered. Feanorians and Gondolin severely weakened. Celebrimbor // Gil-Galad declared heir to the High Kingship.
552-554 - Second Siege & Fall of Gondolin. Third use of the Three Rings by Lomion and Celebrimbor. Deaths of Ecthelion, Glorfindel, Egalmoth, and Turgon. Idril and Celebrimbor lead survivors through the Secret Way.
555 - Gondolithlim refugees arrive at Sirion.
556 - Idril departs for Valinor.
558 - Earendil searches for Valinor.
560 - Havens of Sirion destroyed by Morgoth. Gondolithlim/Doriathrim survivors scattered. Elrond and Elros rescued (as adults) by Maglor.
572 - Morgoth controls Beleriand. Earendil and reembodied Elwing come to Valinor and rally the Host.
575-617 - War of Wrath
618 - Maglor claims the Silmaril from Eonwe's camp and casts himself into the Sea. Death of Maglor.
620 - End of the First Age.
SA
1 - Founding of the Grey Havens and Lindon under High King Lomion
2 - Elros becomes the first King of Numenor
c. 500 - Sauron returns to Middle-Earth in the East.
650 - Eregion is founded
1000 - Galadriel is given Vilya; Lomion wields Nenya
1170 - Annatar comes to Lindon and Lomion turns him away. Lomion warns Celebrimbor of Eregion of his suspicions.
1200 - Annatar comes to Eregion. Celebrimbor takes him in to monitor.
1250 - Celebrimbor creates the Seven; Lomion creates the Nine.
1410 - Annatar is kicked out of Eregion.
1600 - The One Ring is forged. Sauron remains in hiding.
1610 - Sauron begins to gather and prepare armies in the East.
1673 - War of the Elves and Sauron begins.
1675 - Sauron invades Eriador.
1677 - Fall of Ost-in-Edhil. Celebrimbor and Lomion remain at the House of the Mirdain. Death of Celebrimbor in battle // Fourth use of the Three in battle. Sauron does not learn of the Seven. Founding of Imladris.
1678 - Sauron defeated by the Numenoreans and the Elves of Lindon.
1679 - Sauron flees to Mordor. First White Council held.
3147 - Civil war in Numenor.
3225 - Ar-Pharazon seizes the Sceptre.
3228 - Elrond claims the Sceptre. Ar-Pharazon disowned. Tar-Miriel named Ruling Queen.
3232 - Sauron taken to Numenor as a prisoner.
3274 - Elrond kicks Sauron out of Numenor and outlaws the morgoth cult.
3310 - Morgoth cult publicly reappears.
3319 - Downfall of Numenor. Tar-Miriel leads a greater force of the Faithful away.
(green // blue means two main options, red means i need to think about it more)
The main details I'm figuring out right now are
does Celebrimbor still die at Eregion - I don't think he's getting captured/tortured, but he could still die in the battle. On the other hand, he could probably survive by using Narya & Lomion using Nenya, but that would definitely have repercussions further down the line
how does Idril's deal work - I'm currently thinking of Idril exchanging the location of Gondolin for her family's guaranteed safety, because it seems in character for Reverse Idril? But on the other hand, even if I limit it to immediate family at the time of the oath (tuor, turgon, earendil) then idk where turgon dies? Maybe Maglor can kill him but that seems kind of random
where and how does Turgon die
how does Prince Elrond's character even work
how does Numenor still fall when factoring in Prince Elrond - I'm thinking that the morgoth death cult gained enough traction during the time sauron was there that even after Elrond kicks him out, the cult still sticks around and reemerges later? The Fall still happens, but they never go to attack valinor and there's a good deal more Faithful (maybe 40-60%?)
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Prince Elrond of the Reverse Gondolin AU!
he has a great deal more control over his weird powers than canon-elrond, mostly due to having actually grown up with elwing's guidance in gondolin, so he spends most of his time in full minor-maia-form, complete with wings!
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more from the reverse gondolin au
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Reverse Gondolin AU family portrait
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no living man may hinder me: The Gilded Wraith of Numenor
from the Reverse Gondolin AU, based on @who-needs-words's idea for Ar-Pharazon's fate! (they also wrote a ficlet for it, check it out here!)
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Ar-Pharazon from the Reverse Gondolin AU and as Witch-King of Numenor - thanks to @who-needs-words for helping develop this idea!
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