Reverse Gondolin AU Patch Notes 4/22!
(tagging @general-illyrin @tar-thelien @who-needs-words @bilbo-baggins-is-a-fcking-vibe and anyone else who wants to join!)
🌟 New
Ar-Pharazon joins Sauron after getting disowned, and later becomes the Witch-King of Numenor (thanks to who-needs-words; also there's a fic by who-needs-words and art by tar-thelien now!)
Mordor steals the Numenorean tech. Mordor now has steampunk industrial-revolution level technology.
Lomion and Celebrimbor are married (thanks to the poll); Gil-galad is their collective and adoptive heir. Many feuds are resolved.
Celebrimbor survives but is wounded at the destruction of Eregion. He joins the White Council.
The Kin-strife becomes a proxy-kinslaying-war thanks to Sauron exploiting the tension in Gondor (thanks to who-needs-words)
FA 371 - Erestor Carnistirion born
FA 534 - Wedding of Lomion and Celebrimbor. Gil-galad [possibly son of Orodreth for balance?] is adopted.
SA 3411- Lomion dies to Sauron at the Dagor Orodruin / Battle of Mount Doom. Gil-galad named high king
TA 1640 - Elrond establishes the Elerondo Fortress in the ruins of the Dome of Stars in Osgiliath
TA 1976 - Surviving Numenoreans retreat to the Stronghold of Numenor in Imladris
TA 3018 - Elrond claims the title of High King of the Sindar (for decoy purposes)
TA 3018/3019 - The Fellowship departs. Gil and Glorfindel leave with the Lindon army just ahead of the Fellowship; Elrond and Erestor [Carnistirion] leave not long after. The passing of two armies conceals the path of the Fellowship.
TA 3019 - Dagor Anghabar [name in progress] / Battle of the Dwarrowdelf, between the army of Lindon and the orcs of Moria. Glorfindel kills Durin's Bane.
[ purple = new part of timeline ]
🛠 Fixed
Turgon dies in the Fall of Gondolin by being crushed by a building after going back to look for Elrond & Elros (thanks to who-needs-words)
Oropher & Thranduil find/rescue Elwing; Galadriel and Celeborn take her to Gondolin (thanks to thelien and bilbo-baggins-is-a-fcking-vibe)
Celebrimbor survives with some wounds after the destruction of Eregion. He later joins the White Council and lives with Lomion & Gil-galad in Lindon. (thanks to general-illyrin)
🚧 Ongoing
should Castamir found a naval-based Evil Power (Angros instead of Angmar)
how many Palantiri should be lost - does it make it too weird story wise if there's still a ton of palantiri floating around, especially since celebrimbor is fully capable of using them
how should the Scouring of the Shire work when Lindon is right there - does Lindon get destroyed earlier in the War of the Ring? Currently I have most of the army off w/ Gil around Gondor/Mordor
what happens to Celebrian
do arwen/elladan/elrohir get to do anything important
how to do the Breaking of the Fellowship?? Gandalf refuses to die so far - Glorfindel killed the Balrog (with full energy, full gear, and hair tied back) with far fewer casualties and now Gandalf won't go anywhere. should I still try to get rid of him?
🌱 Upcoming
Scale up major battles (helm's deep, pelennor, isengard, morannon) to account for the presence of two entire extra armies, comprised mostly of Last Alliance veterans (and a handful of Gondolin/Kinslaying/Wrath veterans)
Does Gil-galad die
Figure out the Witch King of Numenor logistics
Figure out what Galadriel and Celebrimbor get to do
⭐ Timeline Additions
SA
3319 - Downfall of Numenor. Tar-Miriel leads a greater force of the Faithful away. Lomion uses Nenya to protect Lindon from the floods.
3320 - Arnor and Gondor founded. Stronghold of Numenor founded at Imladris. Elendil named heir to Tar-Miriel.
3399 - Sauron takes Minas Ithil
3400 - Last Alliance formed by Lomion and Tar-Miriel, with Elendil as the commander of the Numenorean forces.
3401 - Numenorean divisions of Last Alliance march to Stronghold in Imladris.
3404 - Last Alliance marches to Mordor. Battle of Dagorlad and Siege of Barad-dur. The Sindar slow their initial rush under the word of Prince Elrond. Lomion and Elendil combine forces with Oropher and Amdir to break the Black Gate. Siege of Barad-dur. Shelob is slain. Deaths of Oropher and Amdir. Thranduil defers the High Kingship. Thranduil named King of the Greenwood. Amroth named King of Lorien.
3411 - Dagor Orodruin. Fifth use of the Nenya and Narya in battle.
Death of Lomion Irission. Gil-galad named High King of the Noldor. Prince Elrond named herald to Gil-galad. Nenya given to Prince Elrond. Death of Elendil. Defeat of Sauron. Isildur named heir to Tar-Miriel. Isildur takes the One Ring. Celebrimbor warns against it.
TA
2 - Isildur plants a sapling of Nimloth in Minas Anor. Battle of the Gladden Fields. Deaths of Ciryon and Aratan. Isildur attempts to flee to Rivendell. Death of Isildur in the Misty Mountains. Elendur rescued by the Host of Elrond. Elendur named heir to Tar-Miriel.
8 - Death of Tar-Miriel. Elendur takes the name Tar-Elecano // Tar-Oromendur as High King of Numenor. Valandil named King of Arnor.
1000 - The Witch King of Numenor reveals himself. The Istari first appear.
1050 - The Shadow falls on the Greenwood.
1300 - the remaining Nazgul reappear.
1409 - The Witch-king invades Arnor from the North. Tar-Varandil [line of Elendur] comes to the aid of King Arveleg I. Rhudaur and Amon Sul destroyed. King Arveleg retreats to Cardolan.
1432 - Eldacar named King of Gondor. Beginning of the Kin-strife. Tar-Moreniel [line of Elendur] sees weakening support for the High Kingship.
1437 - Osgiliath Rebellion of Castamir. Prince Elrond breaks the brief Siege of Osgiliath and disowns Castamir for kinslaying. Castamir escapes captivity in the Stronghold at Imladris and flees to Ar-Pharazon.
1439 - Sauron funds Castamir's second attack on Osgiliath. Prince Elrondeleron endorses Eldacar and aids in the defense of Osgiliath.
1448 - Siege of Pelargir. Castamir becomes a Ringwraith. End of the Kin-strife.
1449 - Sons of Castamir establish Umbar.
1470 - Death of Tar-Moreniel. Laurelien marries into the line of Isildur. Lines of the High Kings and the Kings of Arnor merged.
1473 - Birth of Argeleb II son of Araphor and Laurelien.
1635 - The Great Plague appears in Rhovanion.
1636 - The Great Plague spreads to Gondor. Death of the White Tree. Osgiliath weakened. Barrow-wights appear. Celebrimbor begins to suspect Sauron. Prince Elrond uses Nenya to slow the spread of the Plague.
1637 - Castamir revealed as a Ringwraith. Castamir founds Angmar // Angros.
1640 - The capital of Gondor is moved to Minas Anor. The sapling of the White Tree is planted. Prince Elrond founds the Elerondo Fortress at the Dome of Stars in the ruins of Osgiliath to guard Mordor. Glorfindel dwells at the Elerondo Fortress.
1851 - Angmar temporarily defeated. Wainriders attack Gondor. Forces of the Elerondo Fortress come to the aid of Gondor.
1856 - Death of King Narmacil II. Sixth use of Nenya in battle by Prince Elrond to flood the Anduin. King Calimehtar repels the Wainriders.
1973 - King Arvedui calls for aid against the Witch-king of Numenor and the King of Angmar.
1974 - Destruction of Arnor.
1975 - Angmar destroyed. Two palantiri lost.
1976 - The surviving Numenoreans secretly retreat to the Stronghold of Numenor at Imladris.
1980 - Durin's Bane awakens in Khazad-dum.
1999 - Rumors of Durin's Bane reach Lindon.
2000 - Nazgul besiege Minas Ithil. Glorfindel and the folk of Elerondo Fortress drive back the Black Army.
2004 - Minas Ithil weakened but not captured. The Nazgul are driven back by High King Gil-galad and Prince Elrond. Ar-Pharazon's identity confirmed.
2050 - Death of Earnur. End of the Kings of Gondor and the apparent end of the line of Isildur.
2463 - One Ring discovered.
2510 - The Shadow emerges from Dol Guldur. Galadriel sends a warning to Gil-galad and Celebrimbor in Lindon.
2758 - Umbar attacks Osgiliath. Elerondo Fortress weakened.
2851 - The White Council discusses Dol Guldur. Saruman delays an attack. Gil-galad becomes suspicious.
2901 - Sauron becomes aware of the survival of the line of Elendur. Minas Ithil destroyed.
2930 - Ithilien deserted.
2931 - Birth of Aragorn. Aragorn is hidden with Elrond to be raised in Imladris.
2941 - Bilbo finds the One Ring. Battle of the Five Armies. Dol Guldur is overrun and Sauron is wounded.
2942 - Sauron returns to Mordor. Elerondo Fortress destroyed. Glorfindel returns to Imladris.
2952 - Elrond and Gil-galad reveal to Estel his true name and ancestry. Aragorn receives the Shards of Narsil and a Lamp of Celebrimbor.
2953 - Last meeting of the White Council. Saruman begins to fortify Isengard.
2980 - Aragorn and Arwen are betrothed. The High Kingship of Numenor is pledged to Aragorn.
3001 - Gandalf begins to suspect the One Ring is in the Shire. Bilbo's birthday. Frodo receives the One Ring.
3016 - Arwen returns to Imladris.
3018 - The War of the Ring begins. Prince Elrond claims the title of High King of the Sindar to draw the attention of Sauron. Mirkwood attacked by orcs. Lorien reinforces its borders. Osgiliath taken by Mordor.
Gil-galad leads an army out of Lindon. Celebrimbor accompanies Aragorn to escort Frodo to Rivendell. The Nazgul are driven out of the Shire by one of the Lamps. Celebrimbor leaves one Feanorian Lamp in Hobbiton.
The Council of the Eldar is held and the Fellowship of the Ring formed. High King Gil-galad travels ahead with Lord Glorfindel and the army of Lindon.
3019 - The Quest of the Ring. The Fellowship departs. High King Elrond departs later with Prince Erestor Carnistirion and the army of Imladris. The Fellowship meets Gil-galad and Glorfindel at the gate of Moria.
Dagor Anghabar / Battle of the Dwarrowdelf. The army of Lindon drives out the orcs of Moria. Durin's Bane slain by Glorfindel. Far less casualties occur with the help of an experienced balrog-slayer. Gandalf is injured by the Shadow. Gandalf sends the Fellowship towards Lorien.
The storm over the Caradhras clears. Elrond and Erestor cross the Caradhras with the army of Imladris.
[ green // blue means two main options, red means i need to think about it more, and orange means the character is invented for the line of Elendur ]
@general-illyrin @tar-thelien @who-needs-words I think you all mentioned being interested in the reverse gondolin au - is anyone interested in helping with wrangling the timelines, especially the second age stuff? Here's the current outline:
(Edit: anyone feel free to help out if you're interested!)
YT 14365 - Birth of Lomion
YT 14373/FA 1 - Death of Argon
FA
2 - Aredhel adopts Lomion
300 - Birth of Idril
316 - Turgon & Idril kidnapped by Eol
400 - Turgon & Idril rescued. Death of Eol
465 - Finrod more-peacefully passes throne to orodreth while on Quest. Everyone except beren still dies
472 - Nirnaeth. Turgon named High King of the Noldor.
476 - Turgon abdicates official title. Aredhel named High King of the Noldor.
496 - Tuor comes to Gondolin
502 - Wedding of Idril and Tuor
503 - Births of Earendil and Elwing. Idril begins to have foresight dreams about the Fall.
506 - Second Kinslaying. C^3 dead, celebrimbor stays in gondolin. Aredhel denounces the oath/kinslaying and disowns C^3
Elwing survives & is found by Oropher & Thranduil // Galadriel & Celeborn. oropher, thranduil, oropher's wife, and thranduil's then-gf // galadriel & celeborn take Elwing to Gondolin as refugees. The Silmaril is left hidden in the woods of melian's domain.
507 - Elwing comes to Gondolin.
509 - Idril captured by Morgoth. Idril reveals the location of Gondolin in exchange for an Oath to not harm her family (Turgon, Tuor, and Earendil). Idril rescued.
510 - Gondolin prepares for war with Morgoth.
513-522 - Siege of Gondolin. Deaths of Duilin and Rog. Gothmog slain by Aredhel the Huntress. First use of the Three Rings by Lomion and Celebrimbor in defense of Gondolin. House of the Hammer of Wrath destroyed.
523 - Maedhros believes a Silmaril is with Elwing at Gondolin.
525 - Earendil weds Elwing. Lomion weds ???. Adoption of Gil-Galad
532 - Births of Elrond and Elros.
538 - Third Kinslaying at Gondolin. Death of Amras. Elrond and Elros kidnapped by Maglor. Deaths of Elwing and Turgon. Second use of the Three Rings by Lomion and Celebrimbor. Deaths of Maedhros and Aredhel. Lomion named King of Gondolin and High King of the Noldor. Deaths of Salgant, Penlod, and Tuor. Earendil named Lord of the House of the Wing.
540-549 - War declared between Gondolin and the Feanorians of Himring over the Third Kinslaying and kidnapping of Princes Elrond and Elros.
549 - Elrond and Elros recovered. Feanorians and Gondolin severely weakened. Celebrimbor // Gil-Galad declared heir to the High Kingship.
552-554 - Second Siege & Fall of Gondolin. Third use of the Three Rings by Lomion and Celebrimbor. Deaths of Ecthelion, Glorfindel, Egalmoth, and Turgon. Idril and Celebrimbor lead survivors through the Secret Way.
555 - Gondolithlim refugees arrive at Sirion.
556 - Idril departs for Valinor.
558 - Earendil searches for Valinor.
560 - Havens of Sirion destroyed by Morgoth. Gondolithlim/Doriathrim survivors scattered. Elrond and Elros rescued (as adults) by Maglor.
572 - Morgoth controls Beleriand. Earendil and reembodied Elwing come to Valinor and rally the Host.
575-617 - War of Wrath
618 - Maglor claims the Silmaril from Eonwe's camp and casts himself into the Sea. Death of Maglor.
620 - End of the First Age.
SA
1 - Founding of the Grey Havens and Lindon under High King Lomion
2 - Elros becomes the first King of Numenor
c. 500 - Sauron returns to Middle-Earth in the East.
650 - Eregion is founded
1000 - Galadriel is given Vilya; Lomion wields Nenya
1170 - Annatar comes to Lindon and Lomion turns him away. Lomion warns Celebrimbor of Eregion of his suspicions.
1200 - Annatar comes to Eregion. Celebrimbor takes him in to monitor.
1250 - Celebrimbor creates the Seven; Lomion creates the Nine.
1410 - Annatar is kicked out of Eregion.
1600 - The One Ring is forged. Sauron remains in hiding.
1610 - Sauron begins to gather and prepare armies in the East.
1673 - War of the Elves and Sauron begins.
1675 - Sauron invades Eriador.
1677 - Fall of Ost-in-Edhil. Celebrimbor and Lomion remain at the House of the Mirdain. Death of Celebrimbor in battle // Fourth use of the Three in battle. Sauron does not learn of the Seven. Founding of Imladris.
1678 - Sauron defeated by the Numenoreans and the Elves of Lindon.
1679 - Sauron flees to Mordor. First White Council held.
3147 - Civil war in Numenor.
3225 - Ar-Pharazon seizes the Sceptre.
3228 - Elrond claims the Sceptre. Ar-Pharazon disowned. Tar-Miriel named Ruling Queen.
3232 - Sauron taken to Numenor as a prisoner.
3274 - Elrond kicks Sauron out of Numenor and outlaws the morgoth cult.
3310 - Morgoth cult publicly reappears.
3319 - Downfall of Numenor. Tar-Miriel leads a greater force of the Faithful away.
(green // blue means two main options, red means i need to think about it more)
The main details I'm figuring out right now are
does Celebrimbor still die at Eregion - I don't think he's getting captured/tortured, but he could still die in the battle. On the other hand, he could probably survive by using Narya & Lomion using Nenya, but that would definitely have repercussions further down the line
how does Idril's deal work - I'm currently thinking of Idril exchanging the location of Gondolin for her family's guaranteed safety, because it seems in character for Reverse Idril? But on the other hand, even if I limit it to immediate family at the time of the oath (tuor, turgon, earendil) then idk where turgon dies? Maybe Maglor can kill him but that seems kind of random
where and how does Turgon die
how does Prince Elrond's character even work
how does Numenor still fall when factoring in Prince Elrond - I'm thinking that the morgoth death cult gained enough traction during the time sauron was there that even after Elrond kicks him out, the cult still sticks around and reemerges later? The Fall still happens, but they never go to attack valinor and there's a good deal more Faithful (maybe 40-60%?)
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