#proselytizing tw

[ungodlydandelion]

No, I'm not going to convert to your "more progressive" church with its advertised "acceptance of questioning" because I'm not braindead and I've heard that crap before.

Being more progressive than church leader who wants to put gay people in front of a firing squad is not the selling point you think it is (there's always someone less progressive to point to). And I've already done my questioning - my conclusion was "I'm not interested in giving my life to things like this, I don't think it's real, and I don't think it's worth my limited time".

#proselytizing tw #exchristian #text #exvangelical #ex christian

[sabakos]

OK so like what is the deal with the rationalists every time you post about them there are new and wild details what are their beliefs why do you hate them. Sorry if you've answered this 1 billion times before

Nota Bene: This post is for informational purposes only, anyone who tries to argue or "debate" with me on it is getting blocked with no further warning.

Yeah, sorry, I've been a bit worn down by discourse so I think I'm going to mostly pass on this one and lean on someone else's work. Especially since RationalWiki (which, confusingly, predates and is mostly not aligned with Yudkowsky brand Rationalism) has a fairly thorough exposition.

It's certainly far from unbiased and I don't necessarily endorse everything in this article at the time of my posting, but I don't think it's unfair either. Here's a summary from the article:

The good bits are not original and the original bits are not good. The well-written explanations of cognitive biases are taken idea-for-idea from Kahneman. In contrast, the quantum physics sequence not only makes actual physicists throw things at walls, it builds to an essay arguing that you should use Yudkowsky's version of Bayesianism rather than empirical science.

I feel this is mostly true, except I would lean heavier on even the parts about cognitive biases also being fairly out of date at this point. Still far better than the quantum bayesian nonsense though, it's at least interestingly wrong. I would say that Kahneman's worth reading if you can be properly skeptical about him, but Yudkowsky isn't.

As for why I personally hate the Rationalists, well, it's like if the Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on your door over a hundred times per year: you'd be polite the first few times, but after a dozen or so you'd probably put up a "No Solicitors" sign, and soon you'd start chasing them off with a shotgun. I have an overlapping set of hobbies with many of these people (e.g. philosophy, physics, computer science), which attracts a disproportionate number of them into my life. I then somehow (???) give these people the initial impression that I'm intelligent and thoughtful, but when it turns out that I'm unwilling to extend that courtesy of "thoughtfulness" to their insane pseudophilosophical beliefs, there's a great deal of friction. Especially so since one of the main vulnerabilities that this group plays on is their victims' need to feel intelligent, an opinion I categorically do not share about them!

#the warning at the beginning mostly isn't directed at the question asker it's for all the proselytizers who are going to be pissed off by it #just linking to rationalwiki alone would send many of these people into a rage #tw robot cult

[faeriekit]

what

#faer nonsense #uh. hm. #tw proselytizing #snoopy

[some-teeth-in-a-trench-coat]

Sorry all my opinions on guilt, punishment, redemption, apologies, and associated concepts are all taken from or building on my knowledge of Teshuva but it's not my fault Judaism is sometimes so correct it's the reason I started hyperfixating on it long enough to realize that it's where I belong for unrelated reasons <3

#I do feel conflicted recommending it to others like I do Not want to proselytize but it's like?? no this part actually should be universal #the general philosophy at least. not the religious parts just. yeah no that's just the only healthy and useful way to deal with misdeeds. #sfw #personal #tw religion mention #sorry I'm really tired I really need to sleep I hope this was coherent

[fire-to-fire]

It was before my time but a Christian summer camp I attended used to have “Missionary Camp” where you’d pretend to be missionaries in a country where Christianity was illegal for about a week. Then one night the dorms would get raided by the “government” in the middle of the night and everyone would get sent on buses to “prison” off of the campus and then they’d have to escape and trek back.

It apparently stopped being a thing because it required too much work to put together but I suspect the traumatizing element also played a factor.

#ex christian #apostate #ex fundamentalist #ex fundie #religious trauma #christianity tw #ex evangelical #church camp #martyr complex #victim complex #emotional abuse tw #missionaries tw #anti proselytizing #role playing oppression

[gay-jewish-bucky]

people who put their anti-theist shit in the religion tags need to be stopped, like at absolute best it makes you look like a smug asshole at worst y'all are openly supporting genocide and are spreading deadly conspiracies

#multiple times a week i have to block someone for putting that in the judaism tags #it honestly feels like proselytizing #tw genocide #tw antisemitism #personcole

[silverislander]

just got the most unhinged anon

"DROP KICKED INTO ETERNITY" is the name of my new punk album

#im not even mad that its some asshole trying to proselytize its too funny #and also just. completely fucking unintelligible? #levi.txt #christianity tw #anyway just to be clear in case this was typed by a real person (unlikely imo): please dont do this again! #i have had some bad experiences with the church and im not interested in returning to it ever :) im agnostic #and definitely dont send this to anyone else esp if they have an established belief system/religion already. its rude

[rimurutempest]

just found out my mum ran into the woman who used to come to our house as a JW & try to convert us when i was a kid. a few years ago, she bumped into her & her daughter in a grocery store a good 45min-1hr drive away from where we used to live & she was no longer married.

im really really hoping that means she got out. 🥹

#obv not giving any more info than that #i have no way to know of course #but she obv didnt get anywhere with proselytizing to us & i kinda dont think she tried that hard when it was just her alone #i think those visits might have been kind of a tiny breather for her #she was always very sweet & i dont remember her ever really making much effort to convince me of anything #the worst she ever did was give me an illustrated 'childrens bible' when i was like. too old for it lmao #i just thought it was a nice gesture but made it very clear i wasnt gonna read it #cults tw #ask to tag please

[moodyyehudi-sideblog]

Stop.

#antisemitism trig warning tw ⚠️ #philosemitism cringe 😬 #proselytizing twwww bleh

[the-bees-cheese]

let me make something very clear for y’all since i’ve had some gutsy little jesus stans in my ask box today:

i am not, as you say, anti-christian.

however, a lot of christian principles and values are incredibly harmful to a lot of people.

i do not believe in policing other people’s religious/spiritual beliefs and practices.

i do believe that it is absolutely unacceptable to use your religious beliefs to impose on or harm others, and i do believe that people who hold said harmful beliefs need to be held accountable for their words and actions.

i am perfectly willing to have civil conversations with anyone who would like clarification or elaboration on the matter. if you are in my asks/notes simply to wave your cross in my face, understand that you will be blocked immediately. i do not have the time, energy, or patience to interact with tactless, manipulative abusers.

#religion #christianity #christians #religious abuse #bible #proselytizing #tw religious trauma #tw religion #judaism #jewish #antisemitism #spirituality

[brokensouvenir]

death poetry (baltimore)

my philosophy professor pulls me aside

concerned for me and my nihilism

I’m dressed all in black

clutching a notebook of death poetry

but my mother, my beautiful mother

knows how I feel

without touching me, she can

hold me in her arms like a baby

her rough way with words comforts

my desperate soul

many people have come to me

on the street proselytizing their god

some come where I work

and I cannot escape

there I must be pleasant

my dad went to church and

claims he is not an atheist

still he keeps a treasure of

morphine in his sock drawer

for when he decides to go

I, myself, want a bullet in a church

dressed all in black

** continuing on the theme of poems i inexplicably titled with Sisters of Mercy lyrics, not really seeing the connection now. this poem i actually like though tbh **

#poem #poetry #my writing #cw teenage poetry #tw suicide #tw death #cw religion #tw proselytizing #cw church #tw drugs #cw gun violence #nihilism #sisters of mercy #something fast #vision thing #mother #comfort #slight revision #throwback #Spotify

[redditreceipts]

i used to be a massive trans supporter like proselytized to my friends and family massive, but over the years the movement got more homophobic and sexist and i started really questioning things when people started claiming that trans women don't ever have to reflect on growing up with male privilege. suggesting a tw was being misogynist or saying they need to check the male entitlement baggage they bring with them became heresy and that was the beginning of the end for me

me too! I find it really interesting what peaked people around here, because gender critical tumblr might be one of the few places on the internet where the overwhelming majority of people used to believe in the very ideology they are now advocating against... the only other places on the web are probably places where ex-mormons, ex-muslims, ex-jehovas witnesses and so on meet.

I personally got peaked because of philosphy tube. this was just so clearly a grift. him coming out as a "trans lesbian" sent me back to all of the delusional autogynephiles I had to console back in my TRA days.

well, welcome to the club lmao

[dismemberment-on-a-tuesday-night]

Divinity part ten

TW: religion, cult recruitment, referenced murder, referenced deforestation and pollution, human whumpees, deity whumper

Mary brought Wren to her knitting club, so he could proselytize to the other old women, and maybe whatever grandchildren they occasionally brought along.

She introduced Wren, and gave him everyone else's names. They seemed happy enough to see him, despite the fact that he didn't know how to knit. He never had the dexterity for such things.

"I met a god," Mary said nonchalantly, working on a purple blanket for her soon to be born great-grandchild. "In Wren's basement."

"What kind of a god?" Gloria asked, as though there was nothing out of the ordinary about Mary's statement.

"Made all the animals," Mary said. "You know, like Noah."

"Noah didn't make animals," Bella argued, setting down her half-finished scarf out of frustration from a dropped row of stitches. "He put 'em all on a big old boat."

"Vo'ki is the god of animals," Wren interjected, trying to avoid a pointless debate. "Nothing to do with Judaism, I assure you. I'm his high priest."

"He made all the animals?" Gloria asked. "That's impressive. I bet he has pretty big stables."

"The animals roam the earth, except when humans put them in stables. Vo'ki takes care of them. But he can't always control human hunting and deforestation."

Wren was so happy to be believed right off the bat. He may have missed a trick at the library, but now he had three possible devotees paying heed to his every word. If it weren't for his devout faith, he would have thanked God Himself.

"Oh!" Barbara exclaimed. "You're trying to save the forests. I'm glad your generation is finally doing something about the environment. I used to protest nuclear energy, but nobody told me oil was the worse deal. Pushing back against the oil companies will really save the animals."

"I intend to," Wren decided. "During my prayers over the natural world, I received the knowledge of how deeply human destruction of the natural world distressed Vo'ki. He cares far more for animals than he does for people. Honestly, I don't blame him."

"I never liked people either," Bella said. "That's why I have cats. No husband, you hear me? Just cats."

"Husbands are fine," Gloria said. "Not as great as people say. But still fine."

"You say that like you didn't murder yours," Mary said dryly. "Yeah, well, he was sleeping with the lady next door. What else was I supposed to do?"

Wren tried to process the casual admission to murder. Hanging out with older women was always like this, but he still wasn't sure how to react. At least they trusted him not to call the cops.

"I never wanted to get married either," Wren said, trying to get off the topic of murder. "Obviously I'm transgender, so it was hard enough to find anyone who respected that. And I value my privacy a bit too much."

"Oh, my little sister is a transgender," Barbara said, clearly excited to know what Wren was talking about. "But she's got a very pretty wife."

Wren smiled. "How lovely. But now I'm in a union with my patron god."

"Are you and Vo'ki an item then?" Gloria asked.

"Erm, sort of." Wren fidgeted with one of his rings. "The typical union between priests and gods was usually a-romantic. It was more than romance. It was more than friendship. Vo'ki has chosen to pursue me in a way I consider to be romantic, at least by modern standards. But it's far, far more than that."

"I'm happy for you," Gloria said. "I always wish God would talk to me, and here you are with god as your boyfriend."

"I would love to introduce you all to Vo'ki," Wren said cautiously. "And I know he would love to meet all of you."

"Does he really live in your basement?" Bella asked. "Seems a weird spot for a god."

"He lives in the… spirit world. Or something like that. I just set up an altar for him in my basement. So he appears there to accept my offerings."

"Can we meet him tomorrow?" Gloria asked. "I'm going to my grandson's Little League game this afternoon."

"I have a birthday party to go to in the morning," Barbara said. "Let's do it afterward."

"How does three o'clock sound?" Wren asked. "I live in Mary's neighborhood. She has my address."

A murmur of agreement met his ears, and he smiled with satisfaction. At long last, he was serving Vo'ki exactly as he has always deserved. It was only a matter of time until this movement blossomed into a proper religion.

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#Abraham original: Hot off the press #Divinity #Whump #Whumpblr #religious whump #cult recruitment #human whumpees #deity whumper #Multiple whumpees #Whump writing #Whump series

[woadge]

Spoilers for Nimona and TW for Christianity & Catholicism mentions

Heads up: This post contains a lot of Christianity talk, and I know that’s not for everyone, and I also don’t want this to be taken as some attempt at proselytizing; I simply resonated with this reading of the story as a queer Christian myself and I wanted to share. Tl;Dr, Ballister is a Queer Unitarian Christian and we love that for him and the story is about how he and his Genderfluid Satanist daughter destroy the pope and the catholic church together. Here’s a reading of Nimona I haven’t seen yet: While the story of Nimona (the character) is about transphobia and how fascistic and discriminatory governments often are willing to kill entire populations simply to kill “the monster”, Here’s a way I read Nimona as a Transfem Pansexual Christian Anarchist: The story of Knighthood being Christianity, the institute being the organized Catholic church. We see two opposing knights, a black knight (black sheep ref for sure), and a golden one. Both queer, and in this reading, both Christians. Both pushed by the institution and “brainwashed” as Nimona says, into dogmatic belief. The status of being a knight is the allegory for being a Christian. The moment the institution turns their back on one queer, the golden queer turns his back on him as well; he cuts his arm off in the reaction, and spends most of the first half of the movie hunting him to throw him in prison or kill him. The organized religion has actively turned the queer lovers against each other. Throughout the movie, Ballister maintains his knighthood. He maintains his practices, his belief systems, and his desire for honor, justice, etc. At first he tries to justify his hatred of the director but not the institute, and then becomes disillusioned with the organization as a whole, at one point considering abandoning the religion and leaving with Nimona. Nimona tells him, functionally, that he’s a good person. And if he can be a good person and still be a knight, then others can as well. Nimona never encourages him to abandon his core beliefs, even when the organization is very obviously corrupt, because there isn’t anything inherently harmful or even necessarily untrue about his yearning for knighthood; only his reliance on the structure of the state as a means to acquire it. Ballister’s story to me reads as a queer Christian, abandoned by the church and other queers who sought acceptance from said church. He maintains his Christian faith but learns to exist without the structure of the church, even hybridizing many of his beliefs with those of other systems; he even hangs out with someone who is frequently depicted as a monster and a dragon, who has been cast out from the land: Nimona being an allegory here for anything the church considers evil, and to some extent, satanism as a concept (which is not inherently evil even from a Christian standpoint, instead it is hated because it is misunderstood by many). But yea Ballister is Unitarian and we love him and I refuse to read Ballister as a cop like some others might do because Ballister is actually perfect in every way and acab

#Nimona #Christianity #Transgender #Trans Rights #Gender Fluid #Genderfluid #Nonbinary #Queer #Christian Anarchism #Anarchist #Ballister #Ballister Boldheart #Netflix #Catholicism #Unitarian #Unitarianism

[reimeichan]

Having such strongly conflicting beliefs within a system hurts a lot. TW talk of spirituality and religion (specifically Christianity) ahead.

Hello, I'm Cream. I'm the only part in our system who identifies as a Christian. I still hold a lot of those beliefs myself and my faith and spirituality and relationship to my God is really important to me. I'm usually not around, but the other day our father asked to pray with us and that was enough to bring me back out into the headspace. And it hurts a lot.

I understand why the rest of my system have taken the path of non-believers. Our church has hurt us so much, and Christianity itself has also hurt us a lot over the years. Our religion was such a traumatic thing for us that we specifically split a part to hold onto those religious beliefs, because everyone else wanted nothing more to do with Christianity.

But I'm still here. I'm still a part of this system. I cannot just let go of my faith, when it's so deeply ingrained within me. It hurts me to see them hurting whenever anything reminds them of the pain we went through as children, but I also want to be able to participate in my own religion. I want to pray for them, and deepen my connection with my God. But I also know that doing such hurts the other parts of me, and I don't want to do that to myself.

I guess I'm just lost and stuck. I want to talk about my spirituality with others but it's hard to explain to other Christians about my predicament. I don't want them proselytizing to my other parts or trying to convince them to re-convert back to Christianity. But I also want to be able to talk about how lonely it is being the only Christian in my head, and what that means for my connection to God and to Jesus. I know a lot of people in CDD spaces have been hurt by Christianity as well and I don't want to open up their wounds either.

I don't really know what to do. I'm just as important as the rest of my system after all... and I know the others don't want to silence me and in fact want to help me through this. But I also don't want to hurt them as I try to figure myself out.

#actuallydid #actually did #dissociative identity disorder #did #cdd #tw religion #tw christianity #ask to tag #personal #ok to rb #by cream

[theqhreator42]

Some headcanons on abortion in the Mojave Wasteland

Reproductive healthcare is integral to women’s and human rights, but in a place as impoverished and war-torn as the post-apocalyptic Mojave Wasteland, access to reproductive care, ranging from testing for STIs and cancers to pregnancy to abortion, is extremely tenuous. I was thinking of ways we can flesh out the Fallout setting, and what experience could be more universal among societies than the struggle for effective and equitable healthcare?

Headcanons, thought up on the fly, in no particular order, mostly pertaining to the year 2281 (when the plot of New Vegas begins).

[BIG tw: misogyny, surgery]

Cultural attitudes in the Mojave:

The overall right to an abortion is actually not widely contested among communities within the Mojave. For the most part, the doctrine that “life begins at conception” has faded away along with other tenets of conservative Christianity, although some peoples have more hostile views or more severe restrictions than others. (In particular, despite the violence that often accompanies prostitution in New Vegas, sex workers are not punished for abortion.) However, cases have occurred in which families coerce pregnant people to either undergo or forgo abortions, as men try to assert their “authority” over their partners.

NCR:

Unfortunately, the NCR is in the midst of its own culture war surrounding abortion rights. The secular militarist deep state that currently rules the country, represented by President Kimball, regards abortion rights as a threat to the nation’s growth, productivity, and military power (today’s child is tomorrow’s conscript). This secular deep state exists in an alliance with right-wing Christian factions, who seek to abolish abortion throughout the country, but for the time being, these anti-abortionists are held back by opposition from liberal courts and protestors in the yellower (i.e. more liberal) states, like New Reno and Redding. In the territories under military occupation (e.g. coastal Oregon, the Mojave Wasteland, and Baja), the NCR military has generally not sought to interfere in local customs one way or the other, except to tax them. However, Kimball himself has sponsored a bill in the NCR’s senate which would require providers in these territories to charge for abortions at a vaguely defined “market price” and pay sales taxes, in effect forbidding anyone who is not sufficiently wealthy from receiving one. The fate of reproductive rights in the NCR will depend on how their crushing defeat in the Mojave disrupts this fragile political armistice.

Great Khans:

The original Khan raider gang encouraged or coerced female raiders to undergo abortions simply to prevent themselves from becoming a “burden” to the enterprise. Over time, as the Great Khans under Papa Khan’s leadership began to take on new members and expand their lifestyle from raiding to pastoralism and agriculture, they came to accept child-rearing as part of building their community into a nation, while female Khans refused to accept any restrictions on abortion. Now, even after the Bitter Springs massacre, the Great Khans staunchly hold to their reproductive rights—but they face poor access to all healthcare, with no trained physicians and only a few midwives, making it difficult to receive safe abortions.

Followers of the Apocalypse:

The attitude of the Followers as a whole towards abortion is unfortunately something of a chimera, a result of the reliance the early Followers in the Mojave had on missionaries to train and arm them. While the Followers expelled the most ardent proselytizers years ago and prohibit physicians from refusing procedures on religious grounds under threat of expulsion, some autonomous doctors attempt to manipulate patients into “alternative options,” and face little punishment because they may be the only practitioners available in an entire region. The Mojave is an unusual case because most of the Followers willing to travel to such a chaotic and destitute place were political radicals, so the Mojave Followers are vehemently pro-abortion, to the point of cooperating with the Commune to distribute tests, antibiotics, and surgical supplies through their mobile clinics.

Caesar’s Legion:

It probably goes without saying that women under Legion slavery have no reproductive rights at all. Legion men not only force women to give birth under the explicit sanction of Caesar, but they also subject women to forced abortions when the local government sees fit to “control the slave population.” However, women living under Legion rule in settler communities like Albuquerque and Two-Sun, who are not chattel slaves, also face an absolute prohibition on abortion: Caesar has personally imposed the death penalty for anyone who either receives or provides one. Small underground committees of women have coalesced among Legion slaves to provide abortifacient herbs to pregnant women. If caught, these women risk crucifixion, but without them the women of the Legion would have no recourse.

Mojave Commune:

[a bit on my homebrewed faction!] A militant agrarian socialist movement emerged in the late 2270s, centered upon Indigenous Mojave farmers displaced by the NCR and Legion invasions. These farmers based themselves in the Mojave lands south of Cottonwood Cove, supported by food and technology provided by the Mojave tribes. However, without assistance from the Followers, they had little access to healthcare in the bases and towns throughout the wider wasteland. A young Mojave physician named Inés de Tijuana, inspired by pre-war Maoist “barefoot doctors,” encouraged them to develop mobile gynecological clinics, which would provide services from midwifery to abortions (while publicizing the communist cause). She hired two ex-colleagues in the Followers to help her train her physicians and midwives, and sent them with armed guards throughout the wasteland. These services filled a desperate demand in the youngest communities, like Westside, Freeside, and Novac; when the Followers arrived in 2276, they were thoroughly impressed by the extent of the medical infrastructure already present in a region they believed was lawless and destitute. Bolstered by the aid of the Followers, the mobile clinics helped endear the communist movement to impoverished rural and urban people—the base of the communist movement in the years to come. (This same Inés would later become known as “Courier Six,” the notorious instigator of the uprising that ejected the NCR from the Mojave Wasteland during the Second Battle of Hoover Dam.)

#tw misogyny #tw surgery #fallout #new vegas #ncr #caesar's legion #great khans #followers of the apocalypse #courier six #my ocs #ines de tijuana #aaron kimball #papa khan #mojave commune #my posts