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sharonisthebettercarter · 2 months

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Billy and fucklander had opportunities to change and didn't take them. Ryan will have an opportunity to change and will try to change... only for his deadbeat dad and/or billy to take it from him because billy is at a point of no return and deadbeat is a life ruiner. Will any of this excuse some of Ryan's future involvement/behaviors? No... But it makes him more sympathetic than spermdonor and Billy combined.

goddammit anon. you're killin' me here. seen a couple of these answered by other folks in fandom so i'm guessing you have your thoughts written somewhere and then copy/paste them into people's inboxes?

i mean, i get the havin' thoughts lmao (i do~<3!!) but if you have so much to say/rant on and want specific people to respond, why not make your own posts and tag people about it? don't get me wrong, i don't mind answerin' a ramble or two here and there but sometimes it gets a lil excessive. 6 asks in one go is a lot, *especially* when the topics are *stressful* instead of *fun*.

scratch that, getting *ONE* of these asks can be a lot.

*SIX (6)* at one time is too fucking many, i can be overwhelmed too. i'm not just a place for you to dump these and expect a response, i'm a fucking living breathing entity behind this screen (who instead of being friendly, *can* delete and ignore them, need i remind)

do not abuse my kindness or patience, do not mistake either for weakness.

i'ma need a LONG ass break after this. leik. 666 months long cause holy fuck. gotdamn. gimme a breather. also still queuing shit so asking more shit and or bombarding me with asks *isn't* gonna make it come any faster.

it comes when it comes, i put it in the queue and shuffle.

you know the drill, you don't get 6 separate answers, i'm condensing into one and usin' italics and bold for the asks

anywho~ not true.

yes for billy, he is aware of his actions, his plight, and knows better, but he chooses to do worse. (altho i do recognize first hand how difficult addictions are to deal with, and billy is absolutely an addict.)

literally no for homelander. people who are victims of grooming like homie are kept in a state of childlike dependency/belief so that they *can't* leave their abuser, have no choice or 'oPpOrTuNiTy' to leave them, *OR* will only go from one abuser to the next because they've been *conditioned* to expect the abuse.

i feel like you keep saying that but i'ma be point blank this time. it's ableist, victim blaming, and completely undermines the situation homelander went through/is still going through. repeating it won't make it true, it's wrong, always was and will remain wrong. all you're doing is ignoring what his actual situation is and what has actually happened to make yourself feel better about hating him.

and that's not even to say you can't hate him or that his actions should be excused. literally no one is saying that and i don't think i've ever seen anyone actually say that unironically (not saying it can't happen but i'm guessing it's pretty rare to come across (at least outside of the maga chuds) since most people just hate him) but you should at least be fucking honest/aware about his situation/*NOT DISMISSIVE*.

i'm including another post i added resources to that debunk this gross (and very ignorant) claim. please give legitimate psychology the time of day before you go around repeating ableist/victim blaming talking points.

*even billy* to certain degrees, should get his addiction acknowledged, instead of denied or *enabled*, because addiction in *all forms* is a debilitating, life destroying THING that is fucking difficult to fight. it's like it's own form of battle with an abuser, except the only other person is *you*. becca alone should be example enough that empathy and compassion can *help* in ways people downright *refuse* to give the time of day (even if i do lament billy using her like his 'new' addiction... the cunt--)

seriously. i'm not kidding, take the time to educate yourself instead of just being angry (at fiction i might add) all the time. that stress can't be good for you, *anger is proven to make people dumber*, and otherwise the only response you'll get from me is going to be, 'actually you're wrong, here's why--*linked resources*'.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

you repeat ableism and victim blaming? i'm going to call you out on it (if i don't just delete it, bitch i am TIRED--), you will not get a different response from me, i will always try to correct misinformation or disinformation when i can, however that may come.

*you* have a choice, but you keep *choosing* to ignore the resources i provide because they make you confront your own biases, but i ain't playin' on these subjects.

that is a no go in this court.

ryan will need someone to show him he has a choice and that he is worthy of love no matter where he goes or who he's with. again, this goes back to psychology but ryan is still only a child. his brain is literally not developed enough to make these decisions himself/be immune to influence (which just realistically, absolutely no one is regardless of age)

i feel for ryan, i *worry and hope* for him far more, but the trauma faced here is not a contest. please do not do that, that is super fucked. and even if it were--

homelander. homelander would win and take all the fuckin' prizes, there is literally *no one* in this series that has had shit worse than him (he was literally fucking tortured from the second he was created and then fucking groomed leik wut the fuck--)

honestly, it's kind of a fuckin' miracle he didn't turn out *worse*.

*and even then*, what homelander faced would be neither excuse nor reason to dismiss any of the trauma any of the characters have faced, even and especially as a result of him, and vice versa. sympathy overall is subjective. people generally sympathize most with characters they personally relate to.

i tend to sympathize most with the characters who have been through/currently going through the worst of it. (and obviously all the trauma is valid, but my brain tends to prioritize people in immediate crisis dependent on the crisis, which honestly i do feel we should normalize and apply on a global scale just for humanity's sake but i digress, generally this means it depends on the story and where it is in a given moment. but it doesn't mean my sympathy for the other characters has gone away.)

*you* *sypmathize* most with *ryan*, and i get that. that's valid, but it's also personal and subjective, not objective here. it's also subject to change depending on how ryan turns out i'm guessing...

but you're equating people with their actions when--those are two *separate* things.

UGH okay next ask--

That Billy and starlight getting along scene was rushed, like.....there was no build-up to it nor was is a slow burn. Also, starlight and Billy should've started throwing hands at each other or at least curse each other out. Truce my ass, people who hate each other in real life, do not get along all of a sudden, especially if someone they care about is hospitalized. Also, starlight should've chose violence when she and bitchy butcher met a 2nd time. If I saw the person who needlessly, shot my ass again, I would've started to curse their asses out and have them catch these hands.

... what the fuck, first off.

'getting along' is a stretch to describe what happened and this is kinda fucked anon (i will get to that cause you're making me worry)

things *were* tense when they met again, they were literally hurling insults at each other while hughie had to mediate. butcher literally called her 'chum' for shark infested waters, and starlight called him out on his bullshit bigotry with 'i know a guy just like that, he's got a flag for a cape'. hun, where the hell were you when they *were* literally silently seething and fighting *ON SCREEN*???

what *actually* happened was that they took a moment to *set their differences aside* because someone they *both* loved/cared for was in literal danger of *DYING*.

at that point, it didn't matter how *they* felt. hughie was in *crisis* so *HUGHIE*, NOT THEIR FEELINGS, became *priority*.

*after* the crisis was averted, they had a moment of playful banter about the person they just made sure was *safe* and would *survive*. the tension of the crisis was gone, and they could take a breath. that they happened to be around each other was just a fact of the matter. but *hughie* was still their priority and common ground.

so i guess you could say it's rushed, but the situation was rushed over all (of course it was, time crunch with a fuckin' crisis, hellooooo???) but what the hell were you expecting, for them to fight and argue in the *hospital* and potentially kill hughie with their stress and anger instead of letting him rest easy????????

what happened during those scenes is genuinely, a completely normal and very human reaction for people to have. prioritizing *crisis* over animosity. i.e. being normal ass rational people who don't let their hatred/anger take complete control over them.

annie (very obviously) is *not* one of those people and never has been.

for butcher, it *depends* on how he's feeling i guess, but there's clear implication that he leans on people *like hughie* or becca to *pull him back* from that place. in that moment, his worry for hughie outweighed his hate boner for supes. that happens sometimes.

and i gotta gotta gotta be clean with you on this hun, cause jesus fucking christ was this one loaded.

if you *genuinely* feel that *fighting* and *hatred* with someone you dislike should take *priority* over someone you both *love* fucking *DYING* right next to you?

you *NEED* to seek help, *anger management* (if you have the resources and i hope you do, sincerely)

from a *real* therapist, who can *actually* help you. (NOT ME)

or at least, idk, look up a couple videos maybe??

and listen, i'm not saying this to hurt you.

but i am getting strong STRONG bad *BAD* 'billy butcher'/'homelander' levels of toxic masculinity and irrational aggression from you here (not necessarily towards me i mean, just in general, dial it back, hun)

anger does not make you better, right, or stronger. anger *DOES NOT* solve problems.

*anger* makes you *stupid*, and going with the first knee-jerk angry response that pops into your head is a sign of *weakness*. it is an example of the *lack of impulse control* that many can and often do struggle with (society is fuuuuuuuucked...)

there are *healthy* outlets that can help you let off steam and cope productively, and i guarantee you it will lengthen your life and allow you to live happier the quicker it gets addressed!

shit, you can even try out something as simple as playing harvest moon--any of them! my darling friennnnn~<3 suggested it to me and whoopdi-fuckin'-do, it's actually *HELPING* me~!!

you seem to love to hate butcher and homelander (and i'll be fair, i do too! even if i love them just as much lmao) but i'm starting to get the vibe that it's more so because you see some major parts of *yourself* reflected in them.

it is *okay* to have fight in you. it is *okay* to feel angry. that's *natural*.

it is *not* okay to use that anger as a means to *only* be destructive, whether internally or externally. that is the whole point of what makes butcher and homelander wrong, but you are stuck and determined to commit the same error or see it committed by others, like ryan.

it's okay to have spunk and spirit, be a little assertive, live your life, enjoy yourself.

but giving into your anger at the drop of a hat?

i promise you (from fucking experience) it will only *RUIN* YOU and your life.

at the *very least*, learn to recognize the most obvious factor here.

you are not other people.

other people are not you.

just because *you* would have a certain reaction to something (or believe you would because we never really know until it happens to us), *does not* mean *others* would have the *same* reaction to the same thing.

*OTHER PEOPLE* reserve the right to their own thoughts, feelings, experiences and appropriate *reactions* to whatever the situation may be.

**and regardless of what those may be, they are no less or more valid than you or yours for it**

actually, if i'm being completely real here, choosing *violence* over civility is what *should* be frowned upon. but you are *literally* making a complaint about them choosing to be *civil* instead of violent.

what the fuck.

NEXT--

I think had Becca survived season 2 in it's entirety, Ryan would've grew to be a caring and generous person, but comes from a religious family, which might make him unpleasant at times. It's possible he would be raised with the concept of gender roles (I mean, it's possible that Becca didn't get an abortion is because she's religious, why else would that st. Nick necklace would imply that). Though, I could be reaching because we did see her gouge a nazi's eye out

wut?

WUT???

just... honestly wut?? not leik in a bad way. but WUT???

this one is weird. i do think you're reachin' here because *just* because someone is 'religious', doesn't mean they're anal and obnoxious about it.

case in point, *ANNIE*

she's religious (and still religious tho not as strongly/has obviously struggled but accepted the cross from her mom at the end of s2) but she's not a bible-thumper or puritan, and feels uncomfortable about those sects of religion.

you also seem to underestimate the *severe* penchant for violence many *many* religious people have.

do the crusades not ring a bell to you? the nazis cited religion as their justification for their actions more often than not.

but religion itself or being religious is not an inherently bad thing (i'm critical because of how it's used/what i personally went through because of it), overall, it's just a tool that many normal people just use to have hope or make their lives a little easier stomach.

it give the placebo effect, if you will.

it's in the same boat as money. money itself is called the 'root of all evil', but in reality, it's just a tool that holds no moral weight one way or another. (it's the *people* who are moral/immoral or use it in such ways)

morality itself is subjective depending on the time period and the values that society holds at a given time. humankind is still in the process of trying to reconcile and rationalize a globally acceptable form of morality that prioritizes humanity as a whole rather than one specific group, and it's been... not great? very slow going lmao but i digress.

religious *text* is a bit of a different story, most bibles/written stories are fuuuuuuuuuucked one way or the other. but again, then you're looking at who's a bible-thumper and who isn't.

i will say that if becca had survived, things would def probably be a lot better for ryan. but it would be a different tense situation with either them in hiding/trying to find a new safe place (i like to think they'd leave the country) or with her *in* the safe place raising ryan.

and either *begging* billy to come home (cause she always believes in him :((((((((((((((() from his revenge rampage, or billy being there and raising ryan--while seething because 'homelander'...

this is dark, but i get the feeling it would eventually lead to an altercation, either where billy leaves to go after homelander and the above happens, or billy murders the kid in front of becca/finds a way to sell him back to vought (like becca had said he would and both knew he'd try again) to supplement the bottled in rage that had been slowly chipping away at him...

leik. s3 alone gave a perfect example of a seething billy/what his violence withdrawal does to him. and that was with him *still* getting the little bits sprinkled in here and there so--

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

Ryan's life has consisted of nothing but hardships. He was isolated and sheltered from the outside world, living in a compound for a good majority of his childhood. He lost his rarely saw her real mother, and Grace served as his primary maternal figure afterwards. Got gaslighted by Billy because billy's connection to underages is too damn weak. Homelander, the only biological parent that he has left, sees him as an extension of himself, and treats Ryan more like a pawn than a son. Shitlander is going excessively control Ryan's life, manipulates, and gaslight him constantly when ryan displeases him. Spermdonor won't even view Ryan as his own person - to him, Ryan is a pawn that's his property to use in any way he wants, so he plays with Ryan's emotions to have the upper hand. Even though Spermdonor will treat him like dirt, Ryan will desperately try to please his deadbeat, and garner any sort of attention from him. If Ryan finally escapes the clutches of spermdonor and Billy to find others who will help him rather than hinder him, he'll be content and genuinely happy. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if his happiness is stripped violently from him when Homelander or billy take that away as punishment for ryan "betrayal". I wouldn't be surprised that down the line, Ryan snaps and becomes a hostile, hateful, bloodthirsty, and vengeful supe at the end of the series because Billy didn't bother to ask Marvin for help in terms of handling children and Homelander is a life ruiner.

some incoherency here, but i mean... that is history repeating itself??

baby, this one coulda been your own post. half time i ain't even really sure what you want me to say with these??? sometimes i feel like you're just throwing shit out to see if you can trigger me?? but that's the general paranoia talkin' (or at least i'd like to think i know myself well enough to say that)

but i gotta be honest, sometimes ya say stupid shit--(which fair enough, we all do at one point or another myself included~), but leik...

i hope this isn't too much to ask but...

maybe *think* before you *act*??

a lot of these read like impulse and like they're not thought out very well, but maybe if you took a moment/step back to make your own post/think about the thoughts you put into them, you could idk, make more sense of them i guess?? better organize it??

what do you mean with the first part??

ryan was in a compound, but he wasn't purely isolated/sheltered or in a lab. yeah, still not great (as no interaction with other children/general city life has given him some anxiety and that much is clear). but that can also happen when kids move from rural areas to cities in general. his real mother (becca) was also his *primary* caretaker, almost *always* with him unless she dropped him off at tutors/had to step away for a moment.

leik what's going on here, are you confusing baby homelander with ryan??? cause the baby they showed us in a lab and the kid getting experimented on was *young homelander*, NOT ryan.

but generally speaking, before homelander showed up, that kid was fuckin' happy, just livin' his life? that's what makes homelander's sudden appearance so fucking traumatic. the kid didn't really want or need saving at the time, but now he legit does.

homelander actually... sees ryan as an obligatory way to gain affection/love. you have to understand, homelander functions almost entirely on the belief that he is unloveable/people will abandon him/call him a monster/hate him/etc.

that's why he defaults on instilling fear to make them 'respect' him or *fear leaving his side* no matter how badly he mistreats them, that's clear enough when his relationship with stormfront starts and he threatens her for lying to him.

homelander has never had real family or love and is very desperate for both. he doesn't have a full understanding of it either. but ryan fits with the 'idea' of both. because blood family is 'supposed' to 'love unconditionally' and ryan is 'blood'.

on the flipside, ryan is very intelligent/quickly learning how to use his powers and what he can/can't get away with--due to who his father is. don't underestimate the kid, because homie is so stunted and ryan is still clearly very *special* to homelander (if for the wrong reasons), i think he can and will use that to his advantage.

ryan already hits all the tickers for *being* what homelander *wants* him to be, mostly by existing.

a boy

has powers

aaaaaaaaaaand that's pretty much the end of homie's list lol. and we can see at the end of s3 that *this* alone is *enough* for homelander to *actually* listen to and be manipulated by his son, not the other way around (ryan gets him to leave rather than killing billy)

you're under the impression that homelander will be a controling parent, and i think in some ways, he *could* be. but most of what we *have* seen is implying something *very* different will happen.

apart from the roof scene, he hasn't really mistreated ryan. he actually did really good with ryan's anxiety/has shown general patience but it's clear he's trying to gain ryan's trust/affection so i guess we could technically interpret this as the love bombing phase?? still, most of what we're shown was him mistreating *becca* or others, but not ryan specifically (he def does set some monumentally shitty examples tho)

either way, homelander *still* wants love and approval, *even* if and *especially* if it comes from *family*/his *son*. he's also a victim of grooming that still hasn't grown from the dependency that made him have on his abusers. believe it or not, that actually leaves him open/vulnerable to *ryan* being the one to control and manipulate him. granted ryan is a child. but 'he knows not what he's done/capable of' and all that jazz.

don't get me wrong, i do picture it's gonna be a fucked dynamic and homie will get 'controlling' to a degree. but don't think the kid is so damn helpless there.

we're more likely to see complete minilander spoiled brat ryan and full blast karen 'my kid can do no wrong/*HE* can do whatever the fuck he wants!' homelander than anything else.

ryan *may* try to desperately please homelander, but homelander *will* try to desperately please ryan. it's likely to create a very toxic and enabling 'we only have each other' dynamic because that is the point both have been driven to.

but again, history repeating itself

anywho~<3

The man who threw a can at Ryan back in season 3, is the same reason why people throw shit like rocks or just plainly spit at offsprings of tyrants.

i think it was a cup/soda?? but that's not really the point.

i'll be blunt here.

**the sins of the father are not the sins of the son**

just because people react like animals and blame innocent kids for what their parents do, doesn't make them right. i'd say it makes them dead wrong and very fucking stupid actually, because the kids *have no choice* of the family/blood they are born into, or even what they're initially taught to believe.

that man was a fucking moron. i won't say he deserved to die for something that didn't actually hurt ryan, they could have pressed charges for assault of a child on him and made a public spectacle of him and ruined his life (*that* would be rightly deserved)

but that was a *WILDLY* stupid thing of him to do, *knowing* homelander's powers, supposedly being a starlight supporter (which means he would believe homelander is evil) and *knowing* that this was his fucking *child*.

only the weak, childish, and stupid take aim at the innocent for the actions of a tyrant.

play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Not only Ryan looks the most like spermdonor and is said spermdonor's son, but a painful reminder of what happened to Becca. Billy is going to despise/resent Ryan more nonetheless. No thanks to Billy's weakass connection to kids either. Besides, Billy already started showing signs of deflection after season 3, episode 3.

billy's been a cunt from before the story began, where have you been lmao?

billy already resents ryan more so for what he is (a supe freak), but i would def say who he's related to probably doesn't help. still, despite it, ryan is also the last remnant of becca that he wants any connection to (since he's absolute dogshit to her other family but still mainly for his promise to her).

the thing is, ryan is still a useful tool/something to hold over homelander's head, and that, albeit fucked up, makes him worth something in billy's fucked up head. if he hadn't made the promise to becca, ryan would probably already be dead.

i do think he will look for excuses to give into his urges/hatred and break his promise to becca (as nearly the whole of s3 was~) if not use ryan as his trojan horse and be the first person infected with that virus and send him back to homelander--

ANYWHO--

next time this ask bug bites you, for the love of satan, take a moment to take a step back and gather your thoughts, and maybe make your own post/rant on your own blog for it instead of sending literal barrages of asks to people (idk if you do this to others or how many/often, but if they don't answer 'em there might be a reason for that.)

or at least compile it neatly enough into *ONE* (SINGULAR) minimally semi-coherent ask.

of course i care about the serious stuff and make psas, i don't even mind answering asks, even the crazy ones~ ;))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

but i do actually wanna have *fun* in fandom (leik C'MON i obsess over shitty men fucking/impregnating billy butcher!!), not be stressed out all the time or stuck on the hard topics trying to explain things to someone i don't even know is actually willing to listen.

leik i literally had to keep randomizing my queue because it was filled with so much negative shit at one point and *i* was overloaded just by looking at it.

i especially don't wanna be dealin' with fuckin' ableism and victim blaming in my ask box. that shit is rank, and i'm tired of it

get smart or just stop, my answers on that shit ain't gonna change.

but you can even post it private if you want. just

LET ME HAVE A FUCKIN' BREATHER--

preferably... 666 months~<3

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auxiliarydetective · 3 months

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Can I just ask a question - i see a lot of people making OPLA OCs and you seemingly handpicking who you speak to, like you ignore some but are all over others, loving on them. Is there a reason for this or do you know them and I am missing the point. It's just I love OPLA and have made quite a few OCs but I feel if the community is gonna be segregated into haves and have nots then I'm away. You're like at the centre of the OPLA OC community and it's just really disheartening

If that's how you feel then I'm really sorry

I didn't handpick anyone at all, these are just the people that happened to cross my dash. Some are mutuals I've known for a long time, some were mutuals of mutuals before I met them, some I just stumbled across in the fyeahonepieceocs tag.

If you feel like I'm ignoring you, rest assured that that's not the case. You're on anon, so I don't know who you are, but if I've seen one of your posts on an OPLA OC before, the reason that I didn't jump at you/your askbox immediately is probably because I had a bad day and just had no energy to do so. Or maybe I just didn't have the time to scroll through my dash that morning and I missed your post. It happens, especially in the winter, and it's not an attack against anyone personally. That's just me struggling with my brain and the passage of time or university life.

Anyways, the point of this post: It is not my intention to segregate the OC community in any sort of way and I don't hand-pick who I talk to. A lot of time it's just down to luck or chance. That being said, my askbox and messages are always open to literally anyone who wants to ramble about their OCs! Especially if we share a fandom, especially OPLA. If you feel like you've been overlooked, don't be shy to come directly up to me. I love making new friends, especially ones with OPLA OCs because I feel like the entire world of One Piece just has so much potential and everyone's OCs are so freaking creative as a result. You can pretty much do whatever and that's absolutely beautiful!

Thanks so much for your ask, anon! If anyone else feels like this, same goes for you: Literally hop into my askbox or send me a message and I promise I won't be mad. I know a lot of people are worried about annoying people when they do that, but you can literally never annoy me with OPLA. If takes a little longer for me to reply, blame it on timezones or university keeping me busy.

I hope this eased your mind at least a little. I sometimes really suck at wording and things don't come off the way I intended them to. So: I hear you, I feel you, and I can't wait to see what awesome OCs you've come up with!

#also this is not really relevant to the post but #i am just kinda really flattered by and in awe of you saying that i'm at the center of the opla oc community #i'm really passionate about opla and ocs for the show so someone saying that is really an honor #but if that has negative effects i'm really sorry #i'm gonna try to do better in the future #ask

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daydreamerwonderkid · 8 months

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Just a general blanket PSA for my new followers or basically anyone that stumbles onto my blog:

Please don't try to engage me in topping vs bottoming discourse.

I literally do not care what your preference is when it comes to any kind of ship. But please do not assume that just because I don't have a horse in this race that I'd actually want to talk horses with y'all.

You're perfectly entitled to your own preferences, but I don't have an interest in debating anyone and if I happen to use a particular tag for a ship pairing, please do not assume I'm making an actual statement in regards to that pairing.

I will repeat: Just because I use a particular tag for a ship pairing doesn't mean I am making a statement regarding who I think is topping or bottoming.

Gonna be real with y'all, I find this kind of "debate" very uncomfortable in the first place as a queer person. I understand where people are coming from when they prefer a certain name order for their ship, but the emphasis on trying to dictate which character gives and who receives ... idk it makes me very uncomfortable and it brings up a lot of homophobic/transphobic related memories and discourse from my earlier stints into fandom spaces.

I'm only bringing this up because I've been noticing certain tags on my ship related posts going into the weeds of this exact topic as well as certain replies I've seen my own followers putting on other people's art.

Again, you're valid in your opinion, but I personally find it rude and unnecessary to dictate to other people (especially on someone else's art) which naming order they should use for a certain ship on their own posts.

Idk I thought I had left this kind of discourse all the way back in 2012, but here we are.

Anyway that's the end of my PSA. Please be respectful to each other and please stop trying to drag me into these kind of discussions.

I hope you all have a great day 💗

#dreamer talks #fandom #fandom discourse #shipping #shipping discourse #i really didnt want to make this post #but idk I'm not comfortable with seeing this #showing up so much #pls do not try to debate me or lecture me on shipping discourse #i will delete your replies and tags if you do #I'm not comfortable with this topic #please respect that #thank you

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lonelyvomit · 2 years

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I know you write so I hope you don't mind me bringing this to you, Apparently something is happening at Ao3 to do with board membership and someone running for it could cause really strict censorship rules to be put in place. I only started writing few months ago and if this actually does happen I'm worried I could lose all the stuff since I've wrote since it's all explicit and some of it is pretty controversial.

yeah I've seen a post about it on my dash a couple times and finally took a look at the original transcript. there's a fairly new employee running for the board, and she's openly advocating for censorship with the classic "we need to be socially responsible" bullshit - which, for anyone who has been around fandom and fic spaces for longer than couple years, the pattern is always the same. once the banning starts it's never gonna stop, it goes from "problematic" content to queer content to smut in general, all under the "protect the children" excuse.

ao3's entire point right now is that it's the one place where writers can safely post their fiction. because they understand fictional people don't get hurt and people themselves are responsible for reading the tags and deciding if the work is something they want to read, just like people check warnings on video games and horror movies and then decide if they want to consume it - for some reason when it comes to fanfic, some people have suddenly decided if they don't like it, it shouldn't exist at all.

starting to worry about external people's collective opinion and trying to limit ao3 to their standards - or even worse, as she seems to be interested in making ao3 more accessible in her home country, China, which we know censors fucking everything - is going to end up in a mass deletion of so much fandom content. it doesn't protect anyone, it's just puritanism and "video games cause violent behavior" with a new fancy wording and aimed at fanfic instead. and personally, yeah, it would delete a lot of my favorite works from others, a lot of works from my friends, and few works from myself too.

idk if literally anything here made sense I'm sorry lmao the topic pisses me off (not as in "I'm pissed at you for bringing it up" but as in "oh my god this world is full of fucking idiots") so I ended up ranting lol.

anyway the board members are voted and anyone who had donated over $10 to ao3 before July 30th (so unfortunately we can sweep in anymore) has the right to vote and they should've already received an email about it. to anyone with the right to vote - please keep Tiffany G out 🙃

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I feel like I've been hit by a sledgehammer bc of this ep. Understandably so that people who didn't want pre reveal Adrienette dating are upset and I can get behind that. But I feel like I'm bummed out bc now I think that pre reveal Adrienette dating is not well and terrible. I do enjoy it, but seeing other people's opinions just made me disheartened. Makes me feel like I'm the best who's dumb or stupid for enjoying it.

So, a couple bits of advice that I find work quite well for me:

Stop reading people's salt posts because they're almost always written in bad faith from places of anger, meant to antagonize, and they pass their opinions off as fact, so of course anyone who dares disagree is a fucking idiot because they deem their opinion as the only valid one. (which people like that in general are just yikes)

Filters are your friends. Tumblr has a quite effective filtering system. You can filter words, phrases, usernames, tags, literally anything you don't want to see. If it's someone that you generally like and don't want to unfollow them because of their opinions, ask them nicely to use a specific tag for those kinds of posts so you can filter them. Now you don't have to look at them.

If fandom is stressing you out, take a break. It's the holiday season. Go visit friends and family, decorate some cookies, eat something delicious, go outside and go for a walk and get some fresh air. I am a strong advocate for taking breaks from fandom to clear your head and realign your priorities. Fandom is supposed to be fun. Sometimes people just forget that and take things way too seriously. Take a week off. If that's too much, take a day. Do something else for a bit, and I promise when you come back you'll realize how silly it is to let other people dictate your feelings.

And if anyone is angry at you for having the audacity to *checks notes* enjoy something and is telling you that you're stupid for enjoying something, then that says a lot more about them than it does about you, babe. People can vague post about me until their fingers fall off, but I have neither the energy nor desire to care because I'm not sorry for enjoying what I enjoy. Art and media are subjective, and plenty of people enjoy different aspects of the same source material based on their personal experiences, beliefs, and preferences. One idea isn't better than the other, no matter what anyone says. If you like something, that is totally and completely valid. You don't need to justify it to anyone. (not to mention arguing over the same two ass people has always been and always will be silly to me like the reveal is gonna happen and everything is going to be one dynamic anyway so why are yall pressed)

Additionally, if it helps, I can tell you the reasons why I love their development this season.

As someone who has always related to their dynamic in particular, and whose favorite part of their side is watching Adrien fall for her, the whole shift this season has had me really giddy. From the very first episode of this show, Marinette has been scheming and planning ways to get Adrien to notice her/tell him she loves him. We've seen her grow and overcome her jealousy, we've seen her put him first, we've seen her care about him when no one else did, we've seen her fight for him, which most of those he never even knew because she didn't do those things to make him love her, she did them because she loves him. I've loved the direction they took their dynamic this season with Adrien finally realizing that Marinette means so much to him and coming to understand those special feelings for her are love at the same time that Marinette is dealing with heavy trauma surrounding him. And just the absolute tender way Adrien approaches her and tries to help her through all of that is just *chefs kisses*

It shows huge development on their part for Marinette to even be able to admit that she loves him and wants to be with him (even just by raising her hand). And Adrien meeting her where she is and not putting her down for not being able to speak her mind, but instead being so incredibly patient and gentle and understanding. Adrien loves her in spite of all of her antics. He finds her quirks charming, and he sees through all of it to the girl underneath. She didn't need to go through with some crazy scheme or grand gesture to confess her feelings to him. They just needed to get down on each other's level and talk and communicate with each other and learn to understand each other. It's high time that the show brought the two of them closer and let the two of them work through her anxiety around him together. I completely love the two of them ditching their friends' ideas of what their relationship needs to look like and instead opting to figure out what works best for them together. Having the two of them date pre reveal and sort through that trauma together and learn the ways that they need to be loved is going to help them tremendously when the reveal eventually happens, and I can't wait for that!

And that's just a portion of my feelings for them this season because I don't want to spoil later episodes that people haven't watched yet, but yeah, I think their development is so sweet and satisfying to watch. And if anyone is mad at me (or anyone) for just enjoying the show, then that's their problem. I have better things to do than worry about people being mad at me for liking something because imo, that's a really dumb reason to be mad at someone. Like can you imagine someone being like:

"Hey, I really like chocolate milk."

Then someone else being like:

"Um, how fucking dare you? Strawberry milk is the only good milk, and anyone who likes chocolate milk is fucking stupid and should feel bad for liking it."

You see how silly that sounds? Don't let other people convince you that chocolate milk is gross if you like it. They can get over it or die mad, either way you have a tasty beverage. Let them ruin their own day, not yours. But that's just my approach. I am a very laid back person who's never really given a fuck about what other people think of me tho. That portion of my personality has only strengthened with age because I find that it rarely truly matters, especially when it comes to fandom. If they're not paying my bills or putting food on my table, then I don't particularly care if they don't like the way I feel about fictional teenagers. But I get not everyone is like that, so go with my 3 tips above. Subjecting yourself to salt posts is only going to warp the way you view the show and ruin your overall enjoyment of it. (trust me, I've been there) Leave the salters to their bitterness, and just enjoy the show. You'll be better off for it.

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runnin up that hill | stranger things ; s.harrington

tag list babes || req rules / fandoms + characters || send me asks/reqs? || masterlist

CHAPTERS ;

This is a one-shot, it's a random idea I had after seeing other versions on here and around the internets. Stranger Things masterlist is here though, be warned it is... soooo in need of an update.

AUTHORS NOTES;

I got inspired to write this after seeing other people do their own take on the idea. It's probably horrible, I know it's nowhere near as good as the versions I've seen so far -and love so much, but the idea came and it wouldn't let go until I tried to write it? So I tried and I think it'll be obvious why I don't write stuff with Upside Down / its monsters in it after you all read this. I figured I'd share to see whether I should attempt to do more things where the monsters/upside down are present in the plot as a tester to see if i'd be decent or okay at it? Idk.. anyway... For now, this is a one-shot. If anybody wanted me to backtrack and write out how reader and Steve met though, I have had a few ideas I could use to do it.

Huuuuge thanks and all of my love to anyone / everyone who not only puts up with but indulges me in my bullshit. The interaction on my posts is never really something I stopped to factor in when I started to write and share it here again, it was more a need to get it out of my head? So I am constantly blown away when you guys comment or send asks or like or reblog / reblog with tags something I've written, you all truly do not know what this means to me, I can't even begin to express how motivated it keeps me.

SUMMARY;

-- boy meets girl. boy and girl enter into a fwb relationship. both parties want more but are afraid to admit. boy gets his brainwaves hijacked by Vecna. Girl brings boy back to the rightside up.

PAIRING;

Steve Harrington x Fem!reader (beyond vague personality / clothing, the fact that she has female organs, she is a blank slate. )

WARNINGS;

swearing because writer has a sailor dialect that she can't contain, alcohol / drinking tw, friends with benefits relationship, vecna, vague hints of abandonment in both reader and steve's past. it's angst with a happy ending. Sexual encounter hinted at in the beginning.

TAGLIST;

@ALLELITESMUT

@ARIES-ARCADE

@AURUMBELIS

@COLE22ANN

@EBONYBLOOM

@HCLOANGCLS

@HEYAITSKLAUDIA

@HOTGIRLSSHAREACCOUNTS

@HOESHII

@ICEQUEEN1371

@KRYS-ORION

@LETSBEDRAGONSTOGETHER

@LOUDERFORTHEBACK

@MUSICHEALSSCARS

@OFLAVENDERANDEVIE

@SUITS-AND-SMIRKS

@SECRETSICANTHIDEANYMORE

@SCOOBIESSNACKS

@THECHOICESLOOKGRIMM

@UNTITLEDAREA - these are the only names on my stranger things taglist. If you want to be on it, let me know or add yourself to the link at the top.

OTHER STUFF;

Set in s4. Explores the whole brain worm "What if Vecna went after Steve's mind?". Kinda angsty, not gonna lie, but.. It ends happy. If this is an end.. For arguments sake, Steve has his own apartment here.

I might not be around much for the next few days. That’s okay, right?

He felt the slightest shift in the mood the second the words left his mouth and God, did he hate saying them. It was the last thing he wanted to do right now. But if he was going to help Dustin and finally beat whatever the hell was going on, preferably for good this time, he had to do it. He loved you too much. He cared about you way too much to risk whatever they were up against using you, hurting you somehow.

If something happened to you, Steve Harrington would never be the same.

“It’s fine. This is just casual, right?” you say the words but there’s a hollowness there. Your stomach is sinking. You can feel tears sting at your eyes but you were not about to cry. Not in front of him and not over something you knew would happen sooner or later. You’re the one who got too attached. You’re the one who was seeing the situation through rose-colored glasses and not for what it was.

You’re crazy if you think you’ll ever be enough for him. He’s finally realized it and now, he’s moving on. Distancing himself slowly and surely. It’ll start off like it just has -like it always does, and then he’ll stop calling or answering if you call. He’ll be too busy to meet up. He’ll have to work late instead of coming to your apartment after work like he’s gotten in the habit of doing. ,, A habit I never should have allowed.” the thought comes and so does the bitterness, right along with it.

But you do your best to act like you’re totally unbothered.

You’ve finished dressing and you’re about to get out of his BMW when he grabs your wrist, making you stop halfway out the door. He leans in to kiss you and you being the idiot you are, you’re kissing back and you’re almost frantic. Nipping his lips, your nails dragging his scalp as your fingers catch in his hair. Trying to drink him in so you won’t forget him just yet.

“You should get in there.” you nod to the video store you’re parked behind and you pull away from him, rushing to get out of his car and bolting across the lot to yours. Steve sits in the parked car for just a few minutes as it slowly starts to sink in for him -what he’s just done and exactly where your mind most likely went when he said that to you just now.

Then he takes a shaky breath or two and gets out of his car. He goes back into Family Video and he tries to finish out his shift so that he can go and meet up with Dustin and his friends to try and figure out what they need to do.

Robin glances up as he walks in the doors of the video store and wordlessly goes straight into the back office. When she wanders back to check on him, he’s pounding the top of the desk in frustration.

“Steve?”

“I don’t want to talk about it, Robin. Just..” Steve looks up at her and tugs at his hair. “Let’s just get this over with, okay? We have to beat this. We have to.”

Robin wants to ask a thousand questions, she wants to go on a tangent about how everything will be okay, they’ve beaten this kind of thing before, not even a year ago now.. But there’s this pained look in his eyes that stops her.

“What happened?”

“I told her I wouldn’t be around much the next few days and..” he rubs his hand over his face and takes a very shaky deep breath as he pauses, “I know where her mind went, alright? She thinks I’m distancing, she thinks that our thing is gonna end.”

“Y’know, all of this could have been avoided if you just told her how you really feel. If you went against what she thought she wanted. She didn’t really want that. People say they do but they almost never do. They make shitty romance movies about this, Steve.”

“I freaked out! The last time I..” Steve takes another deep breath, “The last time I felt like this, she told me I was bullshit and then she was gone too. I just needed a little more time. Now this has happened. Fuck.”

“Steve, it’ll be okay. We’ll get through this one more time and then we’ll figure out something about her. I promise. I’m your best friend. Just trust me.”

Steve nods, but he’s still got that sinking feeling in the pit of his stomach. And the emptiness who is starting to settle back in all over again.

The clock on the wall over the desk has barely moved. And all he wants to do is get this over with, once and for all.

One last time.

– ( 2 am, your apartment )

The silence was too heavy. The darkness was too dark tonight, it was too much. You’ve been trying to sleep since your last spontaneous crying fit three hours ago but you just can’t. Every time you hear even the slightest hint of noise, your breath catches and hangs and you’re hoping against hope that it’s him, that maybe you were wrong earlier. Maybe it’s not over, maybe he’s not pulling away.

But then he doesn’t come.

Earlier in the evening with a little too much tequila in your system, tequila you shouldn’t have even had in the first place given that you bought it with the fake ID you’ve been using since you were fifteen, you called him at least three times and that last time, whew… That last time you left the most pathetic and honest and raw voice message, it was basically you telling him everything you couldn’t say and somehow, in the middle of it, you devolved into a bitter and angry rant about being totally done being abandoned and if anyone was going to say goodbye, it was going to be you first this time.

The storm that blew in earlier when you were leaving the liquor store earlier picks up, thunder rattling the window as lightning creates jagged white streaks in a darkened sky. You finally come to grips with the fact that you are not sleeping tonight. It might be a while before you can sleep decently again because you’ve become so conditioned to falling asleep in muscular arms and the way Steve Harrington liked to get behind you in bed and damn near wrap his entire frame around you some nights. Or the nights when he’d cuddle into you, his face buried in your tits, the sounds of his snores and the softness of his hair against your skin lulling you to sleep.

You’re crying again before you realize it and you stumble out of bed in the darkness, stubbing your toe on the little wooden chest that holds all your grandma’s old handmade quilts at the foot of it. You flip off the wooden chest and make your way out of the apartment’s one cramped bedroom down the hallway. Flipping on the light switch and turning on your entertainment system to hit play on the Metallica cassette that’s been stuck inside the tape player for a week now as you go. Fade to Black is the song that plays and somehow, this seems fitting.

You pour a small measure of tequila into a coffee mug once you’re into the kitchen and you dig around in an old yellow fridge. You find leftovers from a little Chinese restaurant near the salon you work in. You’d gotten them before meeting up with Steve and then you just couldn’t eat after you left him at the end of your little lunch break tryst. The last thing you feel like doing right now is eating but you’re going to make yourself.

You’ve just grabbed the styrofoam tin with the food in it and a plastic fork out of the coffee mug near your coffee maker on the counter and hopped on the counter that separates the living room from the kitchen to sit and attempt eating when the urge hits you to just try one more time to call him.

So you do. And the phone rings and rings and rings. You put down your phone and you snatch the cord out of the plug, gathering the phone and carrying it over to the coat closet just beside the front door. You’ve just put the phone on the high shelf up top when the storm intensifies and the lights flicker before going off entirely.

And you want to laugh at the irony, you really do. All those dramatics with the phone just now to keep yourself from being too needy, from caring, from wanting him too much and all you had to do was wait a second and the power would’ve been down for a few hours anyway.

– ( Steve’s apartment / Steve in his own mind )

“Steve?”

He doesn’t answer. Dustin snaps his fingers in front of Steve’s face. Then he shakes him but Steve just sits there, stone still. In a trance.

“It’s happening to him!”

“Wait, how? There weren’t any signs.” Dustin argues, but he’s trying to bring him around and nothing is working and he’s starting to panic. “There weren’t any signs!”

“Maybe there aren’t always signs, Dustin!” Max argues, insistent. “I’m telling you, Vecna’s got him.. Just like he had me.”

“No way.” Dustin tries again. “Okay, this isn’t funny, Steve.”

The phone ringing has Nancy and Robin sharing a look. “Maybe it’s her.”

Robin moves to pick up the phone but by the time she gets to it, it’s stopped ringing in her hands. Nancy is sitting on the table in front of Steve, snapping her fingers in his face. Pleading with him to come back, to fight his way back from Vecna’s clutch like Max did earlier. But there’s nothing.

Absolutely not one sign of life or movement, not a hint of fight from him.

And inside of his own head, he’s standing in the middle of a big field and there’s no one around for miles. There’s not a sound to be heard and Steve feels the panic settle in. He’s calling out your name, he’s calling out for Dustin, for Robin. Anybody. He’s literally just seen you, before he found himself here, he panicked because you shoved him away and laughing, you told him you don’t need him and you don’t love him and maybe the world would just be better off if he gave himself over to Vecna.

“She wasn’t wrong. Who is really going to miss you, Steve Harrington?”

“You’re wrong! I-I..” but Steve can’t think of a single person at the second who would actually miss him. His parents don’t care, they never did. Dustin might at first but sooner or later, -probably sooner given how close he is to that Munson guy, he’d forget him too. Robin wouldn’t miss him, if she did it’d be fleeting. Tommy and Carol were gone as soon as he served his use to them and decided to change. Nancy never loved him to start with, not the way he loved her.

You probably hate him now, there’s that.

The light Max is yelling at him to focus on is getting dimmer and dimmer by the second. And it’s weird, he can hear them all in a blind panic right now on the other side of this, trying to encourage him, trying to give him one good reason.

One of them mentions your name and Robin says something, it’s muffled. But then he can hear you on the answering machine in the world outside, and you’re crying, you’re upset -at one point begging. Then you’re just defeated. Bitter. Telling him that you give up. That if he wants it to end, it’s over but you’ll be the first one to end things, not him.

“Shit.”

“Yeah. That was three hours ago.” Robin answers quietly. “When we first got Max back here.”

“Does anybody know where this chick is? Because we’re gonna need him. That’s what Henderson said anyway.” That was Eddie. “And he’s Henderson’s friend, so… Whatever we gotta do to bring the pretty boy out of this, I guess?”

“Steve told me she lives in an apartment over that bar downtown. He’s always there when he’s not with one of us or working, right Robin?”

“Some nights he doesn’t even come back here? He stays there a lot.” Robin answers, going quiet. Then she’s pleading with him too. “Steve, c’mon. Please fight. You have to fight, Steve, you’re my best friend and I.. I don’t want you stuck in there! C’mon, wake up, dingus!”

“Okay, alright. Is her number around here anywhere?” the sound of papers being moved and drawers being opened. Nancy must be looking for your number to call you. It won’t do her any good, Steve thinks. He’s got it memorized by now.

The storm outside must have finally settled in for the night because Steve hears Max shriek and loud pops of thunder.

“Okay, half of us will stay with Steve.” Nancy states, “The rest of us will go and try to get her back here. I just tried the phone and it’s out.”

The light in front of him on the inside grows even weaker because he just knows that you won’t come.

Vecna’s loud laughter booms in the distance. “You know I’m right, Steve Harrington. There’s no use in fighting this. I will win.”

“You’re wrong, asshole. We’ll beat you. They’ll beat you, somehow.” Steve insists, even though in his heart of hearts he’s starting to wonder why he’s trying to escape at all.

Maybe Vecna’s right. Maybe it really would be better.

– ( your apartment, 2 30 am )

You’re capping off the small measure of tequila in the glass. The thunder and lightning are louder now, more frequent. You’ve got matches and you’re wandering around your living room lighting candles diligently while hugging yourself just a little.

The last time a storm this bad hit Hawkins, Steve was with you all night. He kept your mind off of the weather outside. That silky smooth voice against your ear all night. That was the night you realized you were indeed catching feelings. It was the night he told you about what he wanted in the future. Six little nuggets.

The thought is enough that you can feel yourself tearing up and the fact that you catch sight of the photobooth strips taken with you and him at the last carnival at the park doesn’t help at all. The door is being knocked on, the knocking is frantic.

“____”

You glance at the door with a brow raised because it’s not Steve.

“C’mon, let us in ___” you recognize the voice of Robin Buckley easily.

You hit stop on the Metallica tape and make your way over to the door, throwing it open.

The second you see Nancy Wheeler standing out in the hall with a teenage boy in a baseball cap and a loud print shirt with a raglan underneath that has a demon face on the front of it, your brows knit. Robin is the one who speaks up. “Can we.. Can we talk?”

You step out of the door. Having them around right now takes your mind off the storm and the fact that you’re losing Steve whether you like it or not, so you let them into your apartment and close the door.

“You need to read this. And then we need to tell you everything. Because Steve, the idiot..” Nancy pauses to rub her forehead, “He didn’t.”

You reach out and take the note she’s holding out to you. It’s his writing, scratched out on Family Video company letterhead. Your eyes dance over the page as he starts off with not being good at this. You almost stop reading there but you make yourself keep going and when you hit the part where he’s saying that he loves you and he wants to be more than just the man you sleep with, your mouth drops open.

“When he told you whatever he told you earlier, the idiot was trying to keep you safe, alright? But now, we,uh..” Robin trails off, she’s shaking, scared and upset. Nancy puts an arm around her and takes over and you’re panicking just a little more every second. “He’s going to be mad as hell when we get him out of this because we did this but you have to help us… Please. It’s.. It’s the only way to save him?”

“W-what’s going on?”

“Will you just come with us? I’ll explain in the car.” Nancy promises and if anyone had told you a few months ago you’d be leaving with Steve’s ex girlfriend at a little after two am, you’d have called them an idiot and a liar. But after they explain some of what’s going on to you as you’re walking down to the parking lot on the back stairwell, you know you have to try.

The drive to wherever they’re taking you is quiet. You’re freaking out because they’re telling you that Steve’s trapped in his own mind and he can’t escape it, that some thing they keep calling Vecna is keeping him hostage there.

“What’s his favorite song?”

“It’s Take On Me by the Aha’s. But.. I think I know something that might bring him around..I’ll t-try.” you stammer out.

They lead you into Steve’s building and as you’re stepping into Steve’s apartment, you see him and the magnitude of the situation settles in. Hits you like a brick wall.

If they’re not all suffering a group delusion and this is real.. You know why Steve’s not putting up a big fight, he’s told you a lot about his life. You know about his parents and you know they weren’t ever around. You know about his breakup with Nancy. You know that he always feels like he’s not enough for anybody and same as you, he’s always convinced that one day, he’s gonna wake up and be alone for good.

The only difference here is that he’s the light. You’re the darker side of this. You’ve been down the dark path and he’s so strong, he’s always fighting it off, he never gives into the intrusive thoughts. Seeing him like you’re seeing him right now, sitting on the sofa with vacant brown eyes as he stares off into space, it’s scary. It’s worse than all your own darkness back when you were letting the intrusive thoughts win.

He saved you from that.

It’s your turn to save him, the man you love, from this.

And you’re half scared you won’t be enough to persuade him back.

You make your way over and lower yourself, sitting on his legs. Leaning your forehead against his as you place your hands on the column of his neck either side. “Steve, baby..” you sigh. “I.. I love you.” it’s so hard to say this, it’s only easier because you know he probably can’t hear you right now. “Please don’t do this, don’t be me. Fight.” and then you start to hum the annoying little tune you always hummed on the long road-trips he’d drag you off on whenever you both had a weekend off and he wasn’t with his friends or sleeping late. You’re starting to cry, you see a tear slip down your nose and settle on his, making it’s way down the steep slope. You’re dragging your fingers over his face and wrinkling your nose at the stubble on it and you feel his hand just barely squeeze your bare thigh.

Max notices it too and she nods. “Keep talking. Hum that song again too, he blinked.” she’s watching him intently, fingers crossed as she tries to detect any sign that he might be coming back, that he might break the hold Vecna has on him.

It happens just when you’re starting to get scared it won’t. He stirs, raising a hand to drag his finger over your cheek. “Aw, c’mon, baby, don’t cry. You’ll cry then I’ll start cryin and I’m king Steve, I can’t cry, alright? I can’t. It doesn’t happen.”

It’s ridiculous and it’s him and he’s back with you. You throw your arms around his neck and melt against him. Then he fixes his gaze on everyone sitting around watching. “I thought I told you, Robin. We can’t drag her into this shit.”

“You were trapped in your own mind, damn it, I called a play of my own!” Robin argues but she rushes over to hug him too, and you’re squeezed by them both in the process. She lets go and Nancy clears her throat. “We need to figure out our next move. Let’s ah.. Let’s let them have a moment.” she nods to you and Steve, giving him a firm look as she nods at your turned back and mouths, “Tell her, damn it.”

You lightly smack his bare chest and pout at him. “You need to learn how to say things without being vague and cryptic.”

“I did that so you wouldn’t get dragged into this.” Steve insists, shaking his head. Grumbling because despite what he tried to do, you got dragged into this in the end, anyway.

You smack his chest again and frown at him. “You’re the man I love, you idiot. I don’t care, I want to be dragged into this if it means you’ll be okay. I’m glad she came over tonight.” you give him another light smack and you’re looking down, your gaze trained on the sparse patches of brown hair on his chest. It hits him what you’ve just said and he’s gaping. He grabs your jaw to make you look up at him. “You wanna say that again, baby?”

“I love you.” you say it quietly, your breath catching. “I know I said I wanted no strings but I don’t and I can’t keep doing this and it’s kind of driving me crazy, alright?”

He lets out a ragged breath. “I love you too, baby. And I never wanted no strings. I agreed to it in the first place because I got you. I-I.. I kept telling myself I could live with it but I don’t want to.” he’s taken your face in his hands now and he’s giving you little pecks all over your face as he rests his forehead against yours and mutters quietly, “I want you all to myself, baby. Want you to be mine. I-Is that.. Is it okay?”

You smile and nod. “It’s better than okay.”

You remember the tequila driven messages you left him earlier in the night and you groan, ducking your head into his neck. “Oh god.”

“What?”

You laugh softly. “I uh.. I thought when you said you weren’t going to be around much earlier that you were about to break things off and end this, uh.. Tequila..” you laugh. “I left you a message.”

Steve is snickering.

“It’s not funny, Steve.”

“It is, baby. Because I know what happens when you have a little tequila in you, you get a little more talkative.”

"Bite me, baby."

"Where, baby?" he's smirking when he says it, leaning in to latch onto your throat...

#steve harrington #steve harrington imagine #steve harrington fanfiction #steve harrington fanfic #steve harrington oneshot #steve harrington x reader #steve harrington x fem!reader

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Before I get into it I just want to give a disclaimer: this is not a personal attack on anyone or me trying to gatekeep Danny Phantom. I am simply just airing some frustrations. This is all my opinion based on what I've seen from the current state of the fandom.

Also I'm writing this at 1am.

Now that that's out of the way, I'm really frustrated with the way this fandom acts at times. I've been a fan of this show for around 10 years now and only relatively recently came back to the fandom after being away for a while. It's nothing like what it was when I first got into the show, and I think that comes from the fact that a lot of people in the fandom haven't actually seen the show and have only read fanfics. And that is where I think the problems start to come up.

Now, ok, the show isn't for everyone. It's loud, has flashing colors, and certain parts haven't aged particularly well since its run from 2004-2007, and that's perfectly understandable as to why someone wouldn't be able to watch the show. I'm not faulting anyone for that. I only take issue when someone has a popular headcanon and a majority of the fandom acts like everyone agrees that it's canon and then get all up in arms when someone says they don't like that particular piece of fanon. I know in the grand scheme of things it's not that big of a deal, but it really bothers me whenever I see something like "I love how we all agree that [fanon]" or "so we all know how [fanon]"

Little things like ghost cores, haunts, obsessions are whatever I don't care that much, but when it gets into the territory of replacing fundamental aspects of the source material is where I have a big problem. See, I got back into Danny Phantom because I wanted to explore a darker take on the story that's a little more grounded in reality, but when every other thing is angst or torture or just treating Danny like a punching bag (most of the time written out of character), the idea really started to lose its luster ans made me hesitant to share my ideas.

The biggest issue I have though is with Wes Weston. Gonna be honest: I never liked him. I thought he was unnecessary from the moment I saw him. Then someone (I'm so sorry I forgot who it was) pointed out that Valerie was the perfect character to fill the role of the skeptic that tries to expose Danny, but the fact that the fandom wanted to focus more on an unnamed background character who happens to look like Danny was very telling.

Obviously I'm not saying that if you like using Wes that it automatically means you're racist. There's more nuance than that. I think what Wes does reflect though is just how much of the fandom just rejects the show? How so many people probably didn't even know about Valerie because perhaps she just wasn't in the fanfics they've been reading? Hell, I see more focus put on Dash than Valerie sometimes. Another one-dimensional white boy minor antagonist instead of a complex black girl anti-hero who is probably the best antagonist Danny has in the show AND the best love interest.

Also the overabundance of DC crossovers where Danny gets adopted by Batman are really annoying. I blocked every possible tag that could've gone with the crossover, but still somehow whenever I go through the main tag one sneaks through. Seriously between Frostbite, Clockwork, and now Batman why are y'all so obsessed with giving him a new father figure when you can just give Jack a better personality. Oh right because then you won't be able to write him vivisecting his son if he actually cared about him. Silly me I almost forgot!

Anyway thats why I only follow like 5 dp blogs and like 2 of them dont even post about dp most of the time. And schnuffel-danny my partner in chaos and shitposting. Gonna start a petition for a Danny Phantom reboot on the CW and make it the most edgy cringy shit ever and it'll have blackjack and hookers and Wes Weston is not invited.

#shut up casey #angery.#so very angery #about the ghost boy no less #not putting this in the main tag bc 1. its a vent post lmao and 2. i dont want a bunch of wes kinnies biting my head off sorry #also turning off reblogs just in case

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Saw the tags, and I'mma go and quote you making a sequel for eruption XD Just because I have been following you for a few years now and do read your fics semi regularly when I need my Bolin-centric works :P But please, don't stress about it. It's fine either way, hope you are well and all!!

Anyway, I agree with you and the post you tagged. I want the comic to be good, but right now I just don't want to read it just because the comics and the past have been...meh. They are so good on simple stories like how Naga and Korra met each other. Or the smaller piece when Tenzin tells a story about the the benders that vandalised Air Temple Island. But with the longer comics, they just drop the ball on the characters and sometimes the plot too. They have the tendency to just throw characters under the bus when it's convinient for the plot. Like what Opal said about Kuvira when she was a child. So yeah...I'm gonna be sceptic about it for a while longer.

The idea that people still go back and read my old fanfics even after all this time makes me really happy, so thank you for telling me that.

Yeah, the larger comic stories have not seemed enticing to me what-so-ever. Now, to be fair, I have not actually read any of them, so they could be good, but from what I've seen through page scans and fan discussions, I don't think I'd like them. Many story choices that I would never have made or would be interested in reading about, both plot points and characters (how could you make Opal say that? Why why why??!) I didn't know about the Air Temple Island story, but I did read the Korra and Naga story, and it was wonderful! More stuff like that, please! (Unfortunately, it also reminded me how little Naga has to do with Korra's story in the show and it makes me sad.)

So, some things about my Eruption sequel. I actually have the first draft finished, but many things have happened in my life since I wrote that. Other than moving on to other fandoms, I've gone through a lot in my personal life and burned myself out from most of my creative interests. Now I'm in the middle of a career change that involves going back to college, and so my life is hectic right now with classes. I want to get back into writing and art, but I think the burnout is still there a little. Every time I gear myself up to write or draw something, I just feel exhausted. I don't know what to do about that.

And about the story itself. I personally think Eruption is one of the best things I've ever written, and I've gotten lots of comments on it. The sequel is a completely different tone. I have no idea if I even like the choices I've made. I'm worried of it being a disappointment because it'd not an action story like Eruption was. Some people won't care about that, but maybe some do.

I really do want to finish that story, even though I've moved on to other fandoms. I miss how I felt when writing those fics. I just... I really wish I knew how.

#i want to write it but boy howdy does that seem like climbing a mountain right now #maybe a bit too much about my mental state #i miss when i had all that energy and excitement #i'm just tired now all the time

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the-underworld-aes · 1 year

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I posted 65 times in 2022

That's 40 more posts than 2021!

23 posts created (35%)

42 posts reblogged (65%)

Blogs I reblogged the most:

@sleepytime-moga

@seafoamfucker

@ma2ereki

@oda-haruko

@vampnightwing

I tagged 54 of my posts in 2022

Only 17% of my posts had no tags

#rambling - 20 posts

#mafia 3 - 13 posts

#goncharov - 12 posts

#john donovan - 8 posts

#mafia iii - 7 posts

#ouatih - 6 posts

#lincoln clay - 5 posts

#thoughts - 4 posts

#mafia 3 definitive edition - 4 posts

#cars - 3 posts

Longest Tag: 115 characters

#lincoln is my fave character but lack of fleshed out story for donovan makes me hyperfocus on him and i wanna fight

My Top Posts in 2022:

Mafia 3

Okay so I’m gonna take the L and admit I’ve never played the other 2 games, I just watched the cut-scene movies on YouTube, and while I enjoyed the story and characters of the first 2, when I watched Mafia 3′s it DID something to me. So I actually went out and got the game so I can play it all myself.

First things first, I’m gonna wonder why people seem to hate this game so much until the day I die, sure it’s glitchy but not as bad as any Bethesda glitch I’ve seen and nothing game breaking, more or less just funny stuff like “lol that cop car exploded in the middle of the street. I’m gucci tho.”. I really like the time-period cause I actually like learning about the 60′s in American history because SO MUCH important stuff was set in motion back then. Others seem to not like how it’s nt focused on the Italian Mafia anymore and...sure?? I guess?? I mean they’re still there, you’re allied with some Italians while taking out the bigger Italian crime family (I think they’re mad that the protag is black and it’s an important part of the game tbh) And another complaint I see a lot is the games too repetitive, I think that’s the lamest excuse personally. I played this after I beat Far Cry 6, and honestly? It was NICE! I like being able to sneak and take people down, or just blow up everything! Maybe it’s cause I’m autistic perhaps (ASD gang rise up!) but having a pattern was nice for me, I have a specific way of playing and it was fun. Hell, I’ve beat the game twice already cause it felt nice to play.

I know this game came out in 2016 and I’m way late to the party, I became aware of the Mafia series in 2021 and finally played Mafia 3 in March 2022. And I need to be physically restrained from playing it a third time lol.

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Found this under Nuit Blanche in the alt escape route.

I've never seen this in the game before this is so cool!

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Because I’m on the Spectrum™...

I would post this on my art blog but what good would that do? I guess this is unofficially also a fandom blog... anyways

So! A thing I like doing is figuring out timelines, time frames, dates and fun stuff like that. And I gotta say, the timeline of events in Mafia 3 is INFURIATING! And according to THIS it’s the lead world designers preferred playthrough. I know I probably should take this with a huge grain of salt, but going by this it throws so many things out of wack (especially making Sign of the Times be the last DLC story you touch)

So, February 27th is when things kinda kick off, Lincoln’s friends and family are killed and he’s left for dead by the Marcanos.

Bullet wound takes on average 2 months at most to recover from (from mixed sources 😵)

Lincoln was still bed ridden when MLK was assassinated on April 4th. So I assume he was walking a bit after that, mid-April.

So mid April is when he was up moving around and getting things set up.

The DLC’s, despite not supposing to be in order, 1 of them has a specific date correlated with it.

The DLC stories become available after you get have all the under bosses and do that Sit Down mission.

The “Sign of the Times” DLC introduces character, Anna McGee, without getting too much into it, her death date on her grave is “June 6th 1968

So, set time or no, this implies the cult shenanigans happen immediately while Lincoln is getting into contact with Cassandra, Vito and Burke and he’s juggling them on top of this.

Must happen only in the span of a few days, not even a week.

For the rest of June, I guess Lincoln works at a more normal pace but still a lot going on at once.

For reason the only record date one of the Marcano Capo’s is Lou, and that’s in July, so I assume the Judge gets clapped early July.

That text at the bottom:

This threw me off but I realized it probably took a sec for the charges to process.

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Hey I have a weird thought, do tumblr gays have a specific version of Brad Pitt they latch onto? There's him in Fight Club and Interview with a Vampire thats all I can think of.

I finally got a version of Brad Pitt I latched onto recently and I just kinda noticed it.

Is this common?

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My #1 post of 2022

AND ANOTHER THING-

About Mafia 3

Some thoughts about characters and how some folks treat them:

John Donovan: Love this guy, wish I had more info about him that isn't all surface level and stuff I had to make up for a headcanon, but jeez I swear, at least on YouTube comments, it’s like people want to make him the Mafia games equivalent of Deadpool. Cause he’s “wacky” and “chaotic” and they want him to be the next games protag, once again, love this guy, but oh my god, NO! I think he works best as a side character and at most a secondary protag (like for Stones Unturned). If there was a game with him...what would it be? Just assassinate politicians in the 70′s simulator? Won’t be a Mafia game then would it unless he goes back to the Clay Family. That’s just YouTube comments I see though, but I got thoughts.

Vito Scaletta: I have to be clear, I DO LIKE Vito, but I think I liked him more in Mafia 3, very much Italian Uncle I deeply deserved in life vibes, I will admit though, even though I like him in M3, I feel like the devs leaned in on him being there as like, a selling point? While I enjoyed M2, I will admit as faves in order go, it’s Mafia 3, Mafia 1, and Mafia 2. Vito was getting dragged along for a lot of the events in M2 and boy, Joe was.... I wouldn't want him for a friend. Vito can be all messed up about what happened to Joe, but when I watched the cutscene movie for M2 I thought Joe was awful to Vito. Vito needs better friends :/ (also even tho I’m usually on team “RAIL THAT OLD MAN!” I think the Lincoln/Vito ship is odd, def not my thing and yet somehow not as offensive as the next character I’m about to bring up though.)

Giorgi Marcano: Oh boy where do I begin with him... I see...so many people sympathize with him or simp for him and it feels SO GROSS. (Imma be honest this mf is ugly he looks like a monkey with his busted hairstyle. Like if someone made a realistic Westernized Lupin the III but somehow removed all the charm from him). I feel like people seem to have forgotten he handed the Hollow over the the Dixie Mafia on a silver platter, that or they don’t care. The Hollow is the Black community in the game and the Dixie Mafia is all Southern Pride and Lynch mobs, all those Confederate flags... And I know that Giorgi KNEW THIS. I see people saying he was just doing what his dad said, and sure to an extent but it’s clear he enjoys what he does (He was so hyped to tell Sal what he did to Olivia), I will never forget what the Dixie boy’s did to Perla’s, to the young black women they forced to take drugs and exploited, the the specific targeting of the Black and Haitian communities in game, what they did to Casandra, etc. Giorgi was a spoiled violent Daddy’s boy that either was playing Lincoln, Ellis and Danny the whole time, or didn't care about them enough to even protest Sal’s orders against them. Even in his death scene, he never tried to apologize to Lincoln even if he knew the apology wouldn't have saved him. If they showed that, then sure I would at least admit he did care about Lincoln and all his friends that were killed, but no he didn't, just him and his old man. (PUTTING EEEEEVERRYYOOONE ON A LIST WHO SHIP LINCOLN/GIORGI! I CAME FROM THE FAR CRY FANDOM AND I’M SICK OF SEEING SO MUCH RACISM IN CHARACTER PORTRAYALS AND SHIPS! SICK AND TIRED!)

Game story and themes:

I will praise this game to the moon and back, despite it’s “flaws” like the glitches and game play. The glitches were not game breaking for me and I liked the game play honestly (I have ASD so that probably contributes to it). The driving is good despite me being a bad driver and I liked the how the weapons worked.

But I do have some thoughts about what I think was kinda lackluster and disappointing.

Lack of highlighting how horrible the Vietnam war was, condemning the army and the C.I.A. I know that’s so specific but you can’t have a Vietnam vet without having some kind of toll that it took on him, most of Lincoln’s trauma was mostly just centered around what happened to his family after he got back home, and some stuff in his childhood. Which is valid those things are traumatizing but idk, were the devs afraid? Also I know Donovan during the game is still technically in the C.I.A until he officially leaves in 1969, and he’s like, a big JFK stan, but like, does he know what Kennedy’s plans were for the C.I.A, is he blindly loyal? Was it game? I mean I know he does leave it but he’s been in the game for like 15 years, what’s going on? What’s all those war crimes for? Do the devs at Hangar 13 and 2K not wanna be put on some weird list? I don’t know, man.

My taste for found crime families keeps getting un-quenched: Looking back at the promo trailers showing Lincoln and all his under-bosses working together, with Donovan even tagging along, and seeing how the game actually played out... ow. The under-bosses hate each other, every convo between Lincoln and Cassandra feels like it leads to an argument, Burke was racist to Lincoln at the start, and....actually Vito seems like the most pleasant despite being a sad middle aged man so I’ve give him that. The most we get to them showing respect for each other is if you go to pick up kickback and talk more to them, then they’ll say nice things about each other.

Ex: Cassandra saying Vito isn't as bad as she thought, she thinks Burke is really fun. Vito thinking Burke is funny. And Burke having respect for what Vito's been through and weirdly enough, oddly respectful of her beliefs.

But that’s it, and they have no idea who Donovan is either even though he’s been working behind the scenes. And with how they are in game, I know they would NOT like him, I think Cassandra would hate him the most cause she gave Lincoln flak for willingly joining the army (I mean she’s right, I agree with her.).

So in that aspect I’m a little <:/ about. Not everything can be perfect.

OKAY THATS ALL FOR NOW!

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Hi.. So I'm gonna be honest and say I don't follow you, I tend to stay away from anti blogs but you pop up quite a lot in the tags that I do look through and recently I've been reading a lot of your takes on the mess that was Saturday's convention, and have found you to be the most level headed of all the posts I've seen on the events that transpired. I normally stay out of fandom drama, just better for my high blood pressure, but this weekend seemed to get so many people up in a frenzy I thought Jensen went nude on stage... Anyway, I personally feel that everyone gets offended by everything these men do no matter what it is. They could agree and give the fans everything want down to last gumdrop and people would shit on them for being ass kissers. They could spill the tea and they would hate them for throwing shade at a fave. They can remain silent and the fandom would demand they speak up. Not to mention how many suddenly develop degrees in psychology and become experts in reading body language, speech patterns, and facial expressions of men they only know through their public personas. I don't know about you or them but who I am depends on who I am around and who I feel comfortable being myself with. I have a public, personal, and private persona. I'm guessing it's the same with j2, so we can't gauge who they are and what they feel and think based of a thirty minute video. As for the mess that was their answers, I think people look for reasons to hate and be offended in just about anything. No matter how they answered, or didn't, some group would have found reason to be offended and hurt. If that's how the fandom feels, why are you still here? Why are you wasting time, energy, and money on them, on the show and the events. Move on, find something new. They're still around and have the platform they are on cause "fans" give it to them. Can't do a convention and say dumb shit if no one buys tickets. Can't have a hit show if no one watches. Can't have a career if no one watches you. IF you hate them and are hurt and offended by them so much, stop paying attention to them. Stop highlighting them to the point of trending. Sorry for my rant but I had to tell someone... Discussion and disagreement is welcomed.

Hi there! I apologize if my posts pop up a lot. I’m not sure how to feel about that! XD

I absolutely agree that someone somewhere will be offended by something they do. It’s like a hobby for some people. Most of the time, it’s easy to just brush off the handful of people who want to find something “offensive” like it’s a treasure, but when it’s a larger portion of the fandom, it just ruins it for everyone. It’s not just the Supernatural fandom either, there are bad eggs in every group, but these eggs just happen to be bigger.

I do agree about having a personal, private and public persona for sure! I’m a different person depending on who I’m around. I think it’s probably the same for them and to me (not an expert) it seemed like they were all trying to come off as close brothers but it just got too uncomfortable. Even if you’re not an expert, if you compare a convention video of J2 especially from last year (before Covid obviously) and watch the video from this convention, there’s a big difference.

Again, I also agree about people getting offended over everything. There was never going to be a “good” answer, but I do think Jensen had at least a neutral answer that seemed like it was trying to be respectful. Jared.....went off the rails.

I think a lot of the “fans” in the fandom just thrive on starting drama and being pissed off at these guys. Maybe it’s their only hobby? I know I’m sounding like a hypocrite, but at least I’m not in the fandom acting like this.

You’re always welcome to rant here! <3

#grumpy answers #con stuff #jensen ackles #anti jared padalecki #anti stans

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I feel bad for all the nice J*nsa shippers who like their ship for whatever reasons (tropes, pretty art, aesthetic appeal, whatever) and know it's not canon but get associated with the misogynistic Dany hating crowd who act like Jon being attracted to Ygritte is J*nsa foreshadowing because red hair (I guess Jon should fuck Edmure Tully too? Omg give me Dark!Jon getting revenge on Catelyn by seducing her brother!) Tell me something. I'm new to the fandom but was J*nsa popular before the show? And I've heard something about the OG J*nsa shippers being alienated by the new shippers who insisted it had to be canon and acted like the series is called, "A song of J*nsa #danysux." I don't find that hard to believe because I know people who are now ashamed of calling themselves J*nsa shippers. Like, at this point, it's not only rival shippers who hate it. Even Gendrya/Braime/Jon stans/etc have started disliking that ship. You know your fandom is a problem when people who have nothing to do with Jnsa have a problem with it.

me: reads this ask

me: iwastheregandalf.gif which I can't find now but

okay anon buckle up because I am sadly well-equipped to answer this ask but before I do lemme tell you dark jon seducing edmure to take revenge on cat is LITERALLY THE BEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD but *clears throat* ALL RIGHT THEN.

disclaimer: as anon says I have no issue with like the shippers mentioned by anon in the beginning and ngl I agree, I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO FUCKING STAKES in the j*nsa vs j*nerys war and the only het jon ship I gaf about is jon/ygritte and we all know where that ended up I just... have been here since 2011/adwd was over and all the fic around was just for the books under secret lj communities and asoiaf qualified for yuletide and I have... seen... things.... and I actually have like uh had... beef... with some people in there and I know things bc ppl who hated those others told me stuff so anyway *sigh* buckle up anon I'mma tell you the story of jon shipwars through the years

in order, the old gods help me here, under the cut bc this is long as fuck

when I got into fandom also given what numbers were on ao3 one ship was popular and it was sansan. no like sansan was lit. the only asoiaf ship on ao3 with more than 200 fics. jb had twenty when i checked first. jc had like around 100-ish because of the show but sansan dwarfed anything. I posted the first jon/ygritte fic on the ao3 tag and the fourth throbb fic and like the others were all reposts from lj kinkmemes. nothing was popular before the show except for sansan when it comes to huge numbers bc grrm doesn't like fic and it was all hush hush until the show made it impossible to control and that ship was the one with a huge enough fanbase it actually had numbers, so like... j*nsa wasn't popular in the way nothing else was popular until it got screentime on the show

now, that stated, j*nsa had a... fair amount of fic for a rareship which was mostly book-based and from og shippers that were there from before the show and liked it for what it was but literally none of them thought it was gonna be canon, like it wasn't huge or anything but it had a small but dedicated fanbase who did their own thing and thought it was fun/liked the idea but that was it

that fandom had their own niche of hcs that they cultivated and shit except that like... at the end of S5/beginning of S6 there was a surge in shipping for... well obvious reasons bc it was obv sansa was getting to the wall and that would have been all nice and good but a) it was the time puritanical shipping was starting to take root and the 'shipping sansa with sandor or tyrion is hella problematic' rhetoric had started to circle coming from sans*ery shippers mostly but I'mma not open that fucking can of worms here, b) while the ending of S5 had more of a theon/sansa spike, the j*nsa stuff started getting big

now here we have to mention my villain origin story ie: j*nsa fandom had this one stan whose name I won't make because honestly it's been years and if she's still around I don't want her to remember I exist who was a bnf, wrote for... the website that created the whole larry/carol thing etc who was really fixed on this thing that j*nsa was actually canon and started writing extremely popular meta about it. now you're gonna ask how do you know, I know because this person once wrote a meta named 'why robb stark is a dick' and I told her that it was really fucking bad meta and she took it so badly she kept on trash talking me on her blog/her podcast (I was apparently the insane robb stark fangirl l m a o good lord) and like that was when some sane ppl who argued with her informed me in pvt that she was basically harping on the CANON thing when they'd have been okay with like... it being crackshipping and that she was basically cultivating a hoarde of followers who were harping on them/the ogs and basically ostracizing them;

I would like to add that this person - before her tumblr got 'accidentally deleted' and remade it therefore deleted most receipts for, er, her so-called meta which included stuff like ned and cat raised sansa as a sexual object and only wanted to sell her like cattle - had at some point started a round robin fic thing where... some of the characters mocked openly said stuff that some of the og fans had said specifically targeting them and people in that side basically went harassing anyone who didn't agree with that specific notion

now never mind that this person basically coined an entire term to describe ppl who liked white guys and excused all their wrongdoings out of my conversation re robb basically lying about everything I said as if I didn't have the receipts and tried to sell shirts with it and it didn't work and like then she got kicked out of her own website because she was telling her commenters disagreeing pretty shitty insults (considering I was called psychotic for disagreeing with her that time I don't doubt it) I think at some point she stepped back from fandom bc idk wtf she's up to these days and I don't want to, but basically at that point the dam was broken and there was a bunch of puritanical shippers harping on anyone who didn't agree with j*nsa is canon endgame stuff

this also includes an incident when those ppl were like... passing themselves as throbb shippers and ended up trying to tell t*hramsay shippers off the theon tag based on moral reasons and I ended up arguing with all of them (and they were all from that crowd) which in turn landed me in contact with other og j*nsa shippers who were like detached from that fandom bc those same people harassed them away as well ssooooo fun

anyway when S6 happened everyone was high on it and whatnot but I wasn't gonna begrudge them that I mean... you shipped it for years, canon is delivering you, good for you, but then j*nerys happened

god j*nerys happened

aaand basically...... I mean personally I was there like are y'all seriously arguing about the best incest jon ship out there but like basically the j*nsa endgame side was like AH JON IS PLAYING DANY SEE IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, the j*nerys obv got defensive af and both sides were sort of alternatively shitting on jon/ygritte anyway and depicting any other romantic rship jon could have as abusive™ and during S8 it just got worse and like I tried to stay out of it but basically from what I'm seeing now idk how the j*neryses are doing but on the j*nsa one it's ah jon's gonna play dany anyway and she's going to go insane like in the show so SHOW TRUTHING EVERY OTHER WAY and like again denying that sandor exists or that tyrion exists and like I barely touch my corner (sansan) but I ended up arguing with j*nsa/th*nsa people on twitter who were antis and is2g it was white-hair inducing and I know for sure the sansa/tyrion shippers were harassed to hell and back throughout so FUN

and even if the show didn't go there now since everyone there banked on the jnsa endgame thing and admitting you're wrong is like... not a thing, they still haven't let go of it and attach to that ship any shred of evidence which honestly is grasping at straws half of the time (like... the sansa/alysanne parallels like guys please no) and which is why every other ship is starting to get fed up, attaching canon proof of stuff from other ships onto theirs see that batb argument and jb is platonic but jonsa is not nvm taking all the sansan stuff and throwing it on j*nsa but then denying that sansan has canon evidence (like guys I had to read sansa touching his shoulder when saying gregor wasn't a true knight wasn't meaningful and we were seeing things please) and blah blah blah

this also goes hand in hand with the fixation on like... villanizing dany at all costs and like is2g I have zero investment in dany or her storyline I don't even remember it and I don't particularly care abt her either way and sure af I'm not for j*nerys endgame but like.... some stuff I read is completely excessive esp when fixing on how she's a completely mad tyrant who's gonna have to be put down and like... guys no

(also there's some srs stannis hate in that corner which I honestly don't get why they even care abt stannis but I had to read stuff like ppl don't recognize that dany and stannis are the real villains in this saga and like........ idek)

I think most of the og shippers are gone or don't ship it openly bc they don't want to be attached to the drama but like I also think they're pissing off everyone else bc like... I mean a bunch of them also were down with sansa being paired with other ppl as long as it meant a good ending for her except those ppl were... like everyone but the ppl she has actual contact with in canon which meant that at some point sansa/gendry was a thing and like.... you can imagine why arya/gendry shippers & arya stans were fed up, and there's also this tendency to behave like sansa is the center of the entire saga which like these books is named a song of jon snow basically can we pls make peace with it and personally I've had it with both j*nsa and j*nerys people since they started with that dumbass JON/YGRITTE WAS AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP rhetoric but I'm also fed up with the total ignoring that sandor exists/depicting us as delusional and honestly I also was by proxy fed up from the harassing of the sansa/tyrion shippers soooooooooooo

there were also instances of 'well theon is an acceptable choice other than jon bc he can't threaten her' which... i mean we all know what that meant and I'm not even commenting it bc it's one AM and I have no force to but I don't have to explain why it's not a progressive take now do I

there were also metas about how cousin incest being legal in half of the world means that jondany is a worse incest and j*nsa doesn't count as such and I was basically there like guys please just fucking own up to it but honestly I chose to forgot where I read that and I couldn't find the link if I tried

tldr: no one wants to admit that it's not gonna be endgame which considering the amount of fic they have on ao3 is imvho useless bc they have more content than like.. anything I ship that's not jb or that's actually like canon *cries in joncon/rhaegar but I mean renly/loras is canon and has less fic than them* so idk what's the problem with enjoying that instead of insisting it's gonna be canon when not even the show validated it while show truthing anyway when the only show truthing that can be truthed is the small council made of minorities and possibly jon eventually fucking off with the wildlings but not like that but like most people who thought it wasn't gonna be endgame had left/were made to leave by the time S7 rolled by and at this point since wow isn't out yet everyone is fandom-grasping at straws to find stuff to discourse on and we're here beating dead horses *shrug*

so that's... how it is but I would again like to point out that I don't judge ppl on their shipping, I don't particularly care about this entire feud bc I only ship jon with ppl he's not related to in whichever way and I try to stay out of this mess bc I don't really care to argue with ppl who have already decided to bend canon to whatever they want and will have to realize that it's not what grrm wrote at some point but like I have a very good memory and the above rant is as objective as possible also bc again I don't literally have a stake in that race I just think romantic/endgame j*nsa is not a thing and that ppl should stay in their lane and not harping on other ppl who ship whatever in general but especially when their ship is the most popular thing in fandom in the first place /two cents

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