#911 fandom discourse

[aromanticbuck]

I just think it's funny that...

the loudest part of this fandom has been begging for queer!Buck for years. but, the second they actually give the fandom what they want, and Buck has a canon boyfriend, a date he is taking to his sister's wedding, someone he can't stop thinking about, that's... wrong?

you got the rep you were begging for. we have the actor and the rest of the cast openly saying a character is bisexual. we are getting exactly what we asked for.

but now it's not good enough because it's not exactly who you want him to be with?

the definition of bisexuality is not I love every single woman in the world and that one guy. there are a million essays on this very site that go into exactly how biphobic that mindset actually is. it perpetuates the finer details of the patriarchy that everyone hates until it serves their purpose.

you're allowed to not ship something, but to say it's not canon or block a wiki page from being edited to state their relationship is actually extremely biphobic. you got what you want and now you're attacking it. I think that says a lot more about you than it says about the writers who are denying you something they never promised in the first place.

#alex says things #911 #911 fandom #911 fandom discourse #fandom discourse #biphobia #never thought i'd see BUDDIE SHIPPERS being this fucking biphobic #with their whole chests even #evan buckley #buck buckley #evan buck buckley #also to emphasize: the fan wiki that can be edited so freely #and be blocked from edits that would simply state CANON DEVELOPMENTS #is not a reliable source for any information unless you can find the episode/scene/interview/article it is from

[fiona-fififi]

Okay. I'm about to say something that's probably going to get me run out of the fandom, but.

I don't actually think Tommy leaving their date early had anything to do with him not wanting to pressure Buck (regardless of what he claimed later). Instead, I think it had everything to do with Tommy being annoyed and no longer into it that evening, and I think that is both okay AND significantly more interesting than taking him at his word later and framing it as some selfless act by a sanitized elder gay shepherd just trying to do right by Buck.

#listen #i LIKE tommy #a lot actually #more than i thought i would #but i also feel like the fandom has created an overly sanitized projection of him as a perfect character who can do no wrong #in a way that makes him so much less interesting than he has the potential to be #this is NOT meant as a criticism of the character #more just an alternative reading i find more interesting #tommy kinard #911 discourse #just in case #unpopular opinion

[imakatperson22]

Them: Wait, so, you think Tommy’s closet joke was actually hysterical and made you love his character even more instead of hating him?

Me:

#911 on abc #911 season 7 #911 spoilers #eddie diaz #evan buckley #911 abc #911 #911 show #911 fox #911 s7 #911 7x05 #buck x tommy #bucktommy #evan buck buckely #bi buck #tommy kinard #firefly #anti tommy kinard #I will not stand for Tommy hate #fandom discourse #test me #it was a great joke #it definitely wasn’t enough to out him #please get a grip #some of your anti Tommy posts read like satire #it’s really silly

[kitkatpancakestack]

Captured! Real photos of y'all jumping to conclusions and hurting your own feelings before every new season:

#i KNOW im out of the loop but some of the stuff i still be seeing....chile ... #911 #911 abc #fandom discourse #i suppose

[angstydiaz]

i am so okay when i see bad takes because the viewers experience is subje-

#media literacy #fandom #fandom things #fandom culture #tagging fandoms sorry #911 #yellowjackets #ted lasso #what we do in the shadows #good omens #our flag means death #media analysis #fandom discourse

[diazsdimples]

What do u say about these supposed hard core fans that are shipping buck Tommy? They gonna make the writers keep that homophobe around 😰

I am entirely the wrong person to ask about this.

Firstly, I ship Bucktommy AND Buddie. And this is possible! You are allowed to see Buck be happy with a man for the first time (how fucking good!!) but also wish upon the nearest star that he ends up with Eddie in the end. I truly believe Buddie is endgame but at the moment, I am more delighted at the fact that Buck is happy, with a man, experiencing a positive queer relationship.

The reason I ship Bucktommy is because look! at! how! happy! this! boy! is!!! I will ship ANY person that makes my little blorbo as happy and blushy and giggly as Evan Buckley is when he's with Tommy Kinard. He is SMITTEN. Do I think they're endgame? Not at the moment, no. Would I be upset if they were? I'd mourn the fuck out of Buddie, but I would be glad that Buck is finally happy and comfortable in a relationship. His happiness is paramount.

For the reasons why Buck's bisexual arc is more important than a ship, please read this post. It talks about the importance of representation in current media, and my own experiences of coming to terms with my bisexuality just before this arc was aired. What we're seeing with Buck's story is revolutionary, really. We haven't seen this kind of thing happen in media much at all and it is so important to show.

For any issues regarding Tommy, please read this post by the lovely @slightlyobsessedwitheverything. They beautifully go through all his appearances and break them down for us and I would urge you to read it with an open mind.

Now, about Eddie. I am an Eddie girlie (gn) through and through. That is my babygirl and I adore him with every fibre of my being. I would love nothing more than to see him go through a queer arc. However, right now, Eddie is not in the place to do so. We saw from the last episode that he's an untapped reservoir of Catholic guilt, and it's gonna take a lot to work through that, before he can have any kind of realisation re: Buck. He's very much in his comphet days but is starting to take some steps towards undoing some of his old habits, like getting Marisol to move out when he realises they're moving too fast.

With this in mind, I think it would be too rushed and too early for Buddie to get together right now. Yeah they've had many seasons of being married and living out of one another's pockets but given the stages of life they are both in, I feel it wouldn't end as well as we'd like it to. Eddie isn't in the right place for it. Buck is exploring his sexuality. They need time to learn and grow and do some serious thinking and realising before they can even begin to contemplate a relationship together.

Regarding the "homophobe", I am assuming this is referring to Edy Ganem and not Lou Ferrigno Jr. I would like it noted for the record that I cannot stand Edy and therefore cannot stand Marisol. If Meddie were to be endgame, I'd fume. They have no chemistry. They do not suit one another. And I don't believe Edy should be given a platform to spread her hateful rhetoric, and I hope the last we see of her is 7x07. I'm a little mad it wasn't 7x05 but there we go.

However, Tommy and Buck's storyline and Eddie and Marisol's storyline are entirely separate. The only thing that links them are Buck and Eddie, and their friendship. I don't believe that Tommy's existence means Marisol is going to stick around and I find it a little odd that you do. Buck can and has had relationships that aren't Eddie. Eddie can and has had relationships that aren't Buck. Buck being in a relationship does not mean Eddie will also be in one. Tommy's existence does not confirm Marisol's continued existence.

My current best case scenario is Eddie being single by the end of 7x07 (please god), and Buck and Tommy continuing their relationship, so Buck has the opportunity to learn and experience same-sex relationships while Eddie has the time to deconstruct his true feelings, get therapy, work through 30+ years of repression, and then they'll be ready.

ALSO I DO NOT WANT BUCK TO CHEAT ON TOMMY WITH EDDIE. WE ARE NOT HERE FOR THAT.

Best case scenario, sometime towards the end of s7 or beginning of s8, Buck and Tommy decide that they both want different things out of life, have an amicable split that doesn't leave either of them hurt, Tommy sticks around as a recurring character because he's ingrained in the 118 again, Eddie's doing his therapy thing and then maybe mid s8 him and Buck can start coming to some realisations with a potential for Buddie moments towards the end of s8. Honestly anything else would seem too rushed.

The final point I'd like to make is that I find it extremely odd that you call people who ship Bucktommy "supposed hardcore fans". Shipping anything other than Buddie doesn't make you any less of a fan. Actually, I'd argue it shows a bit more commitment to the characters as you're willing to be open to them growing as humans and expanding on the personalities that we love. If Buddie is the only reason you watch the show, I feel you should re-evaluate your motivation. This show has so many great ships, such as Bathena, Henren and Madney, as well as Buddie and Bucktommy, and considering this is an ensemble show, we should show all of them as much love as the other. These characters are so intertwined with one another and that's what makes this show so worth watching. Watching for 2 characters and 2 characters only is not getting the full enjoyment out of it.

I hope this answered your questions and gave you something to reflect on. As I say, I'm not the right person to ask about this as I too ship Bucktommy, currently have 2 Bucktommy fics in my drafts and watch them kiss at least 10 times a day. And for future reference, I will be unfollowing/blocking people who throw tantrums about not getting Buddie so far, or who believe you can only ship Buddie and feel superior for doing so. Have a good rest of your day.

#james answers things #james says things #bucktommy #buddie #evan buckley #eddie diaz #tommy kinard #fandom discourse I guess? #911 abc #911 season 7 #911 buddie #911 spoilers #anon #asks #this ended up a lot longer than I thought it would #but this question pissed me off a little dskjdsk #thank you for coming to my TED talk

[charliewrites99]

Not liking a ship and explaining why you don't like it isn't toxic for fuck's sake.

Hoping your ship "wins" also isn't toxic.

We call every disagreement in the fandom shipping war. And even if it is so FUCKING WHAT??!!

There are always going to be sides taken. Fighting about what is better. And I am so sick of the whole "multishipping exists!!"

Yes WE KNOW!!

But a lot of people can't do it.

I hate when fandoms go too far with threats and insults and putting eachother down too. I really do. I can't stand when people badger creators and actors about their prefered side.

But if someone hates the ship and explains why or is pissed that it went canon and then rants in their own tag or on twitter whatever, that is not inherently toxic!

Almost everyone gets caught in a shipping war from time to time.

I try to stay away from it, but sometimes I slip.

I was a BIG sylkie hater in season 1 of Loki. There were trenches dug.

Not Sylvie hater SYLKIE hater. You are allowed to hate a ship down to your very core. It does not make you toxic.

Toxic would be going out of your way to attack people. Toxic is saying everyone who ships something is a horrible person because xyz.

People think ship war they think zutara vs kataang.

Most "ship wars" are barely ship squabbles.

#buddie #911 fox #evan buckley #eddie diaz #911 #911 abc #lokius #sylkie #atla #zutara #kataang #shipping #ship wars #ships #ship #fandom #911 discourse #discourse

[mazzystar24]

How I’m approaching the fandom atp:

#GIRLIES IM TRYING TO VIBE AND YALL ARE RUINING IT #bring the old good vibes of the fandom back #we got bi buck but the cost is apparently a constant headache from the amount of discourse in the tags #911 #buddie #evan buckley #eddie diaz #911 abc #911 fox #evan buck buckley #911onfox

[leothil]

Read today's Questionable Content and had a vision

#911 #fandom discourse #911 abc

[fcntasmas]

you can be upset at this without being misogynistic 👏👏

you can be upset at this without being misogynistic 👏👏

you can be upset at this without being misogynistic or rude or crazy toward the cast you can be upset at this without being misogynistic 👏👏

#911 spoilers #fandom discourse #that’s the first and last thing i’ll say lmaooo

[2024-buddie-era]

I’ve never seen a fandom with so many fics and posts about one ship (bucktommy) with a disclaimer that they are still loyal to the other main ship (Buddie). I did it too!

I wonder if it’s the case cuz it’s happening in super real time? Like, a lot of fandom and shipping is after a storyline has been completed? Also Buddie has a many year long fandom dedicated to it that probably didn’t hold much hope of it going canon!

Something about Buddie and now the actual possibility of it going canon has had a massive impact on the fandom landscape, it’s fascinating to watch tbh.

I feel like there’s almost a feeling of fanon Buddie being threatened by the new canon bucktommy, I had a moment about the “Evan” of it all, cuz there’s been a huge claim to that in fanon Buddie tropes yknow?

Other fandom oldies, I’d love to hear your thoughts!

#911 abc #911 ao3 #fandom discourse #little firefighter feelings etc #buddie #bucktommy #kinkley #tim minear #fandom #fanfic #911 discourse #911 #911 spoliers #otp #ot3

[half-bakedboy]

twitter tends to overdramatic every little thing like not to mention its really toxic like some of the takes im seeing like they want buck/eddie to have a drunken cheating moment at the wedding all in the name of getting buddie canon like wth

NOOOOOO. oh my god, can you imagine wanting to flush 6 seasons of perfect characterization and relationship building down the drain with a cheating storyline? 🤢

#DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT THIS???? #i would probably cry tbh #i would actually riot #911 #bucktommy #911 spoilers #fandom discourse #discourse

[imakatperson22]

So you're not a traitor for shipping buddie for 6 years and then once another man with a dick shows up and you jump ship just like that?....you're not a traitor? Really? It's the definition of it

I just gonna put this response on display as proof of how out of control this fandom is…

#911 abc #911 #911 on abc #evan buckley #911 show #911 fox #911 season 7 #evan buck buckely #buddie #bucktommy #tevan #911 discourse #911 fandom #tommy kinard #anti tommy kinard

[tommy-evan]

in both fandom and real life, this remains to be true:

safe spaces that are only safe for white people are not safe spaces

#911 #fandom discourse

[angstydiaz]

911 fandom be normal about women challenge

#911 spoilers #fandom discourse #i guess #PLS I BEG #911 fox

[bibuddie]

some of you are a little bit too comfy being outwardly dismissive of the possibility of buck being into a man who isn’t eddie and i truly implore you to take a look in the fucking mirror and ask yourself why that is

#911 spoilers #fandom discourse #like its absolutely fine if you don’t see it whatsoever!! but taking the route of going ‘no you’re wrong’ and doing so aggressively #it reeks of ignorance and biphobia tbh and i haaaaaate it miss me with that shit! #anyways. that’s all i’m saying on the matter.