#911 discourse

[cowgirleddiediaz]

yeah no, I can’t think of any reason queer people would enjoy the *checks notes* sweet and well written canon queer relationship, one half of which is a character whose been bi-coded for 5+ years. yeah must be a fetish thing you’re absolutely right, there’s zero other plausible explanations.

#/s #911 abc #look my lesbian ass in the eye and say it again #it’s lowkey giving ‘oh those nasty gays only caring about sex’ #also none of you know what slowburn is #bucktommy #anti buddie #911 discourse #evan buckley #tommy kinard #tevan #kinley

[allaboutalf]

We literally started hardcore shipping Eddie and Buck after one episode together and we were going pretty strong after just a few more. And look at us now.

So can the toxic buddie shippers, especially those who weren’t there in those early days, stop trying to put down another ship because it’s only been canon for a few episodes? Cause I think a kiss and some dates (even with an early ending to one) isn’t too bad a starting point for a ship. People have shipped couples from much less.

And anyway why does it matter that other people ship it? What happened to ship and let ship? I’m personally thrilled to have two queer ships involving Buck that I like right now, each with something to back them up. That’s pretty rare for a prime time TV show from a major network. Normally that’s the realm dominated by heterosexuality.

I just want us all (both sides of the shipper divide and those of us in the middle) to enjoy that instead of trying to destroy it for others and trying to ruin the vibe. How can that be any fun?

#911 discourse #911 #911 show #911 abc #911 on abc #evan buckley #bucktommy #buck x tommy #buck x eddie #shipping discourse #tevan #kinley

[stagefoureddiediaz]

ugh this is horrible news tommy is still around, hope to god he's gone in the finale. v

Maybe in your world Nonnie, but not in mine and I'm not entirely sure why you felt the need to come and complain about it on my blog, but here we are!

It makes perfect Narrative sense for Tommy to still be around in the back end of the season, and even possibly into the start of season 8. The show is telling a story of Bucks bisexuality, so why woould they get rid of Tommy so quickly? To do so would do a disservice to that story - a massive disservice. I'm guessing you're hating on this relationship becasue you see it getting in the way of Buddie, rather than viewing it as a vital step on the route to Buddie.

Lets put it into simple terms - Buck figures out he's bi and then begins to explore that newly discovered aspect of himself. The show has also taken the time to move Buck from someone who didn't really do relationships (of the long term variety), into someone who is looking for love and looking for forever. But in amongst all of that, he hasn't really had a healthy long term relationship, the closest he had to that was with Ali and that one didn't last especially long and she wasn't around for most of it

Buck isn't ready for an endgame queer relationship right now - he is still to immature from a relationship perspective - especially a queer relationship perspective. If Eddie was available and he and Buck got together - as they are as characters right now, they wouldn't last - they're not in a position to do so successfully. And this isn't me suggesting that they need to have figured everything out before they get together - to have fully healed etc, because thats neither realistic or something I would want to see - what it means is that they both need to get to a point where they are in a healthy enough place to put in the work together, understand each others flaws, and their own flaws and proactively work towards overcoming those things together and as of right now, neither of them are - they are getting their and moving rapidly in the right direction, but Buck needs to learn a bit more, and in many ways learn how to be with a man, before he will be ready to start anything with Eddie.

The growth we're getting to watch Buck go through right now - in the aftermath of the lightening strike, his reckoning with his mortality etc and the fact he's now off the hamster wheel and moving forward - in a healthy and faster way than we've ever seen from him, speaks volumes.

Tommy is also a far better developed love interest than any other love interest we've seen Buck (or indeed Eddie) with (Abby excepted but she was a main, so had her own purpose on the show)- I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling like I know Tommy more after 3 episodes plus what we got from the begins episodes he was in, than I managed to ascertain about Taylor or Ana or Nataila etc!

Not to mention, him figuring out he's in Love with Eddie as part of this process is going to be fun to watch. The show has made no bones about re-enforcing at every. Single. Opportunity how close, how entwined and how important Buck and Eddie are to one another - the show has quite literally been prioritising that over anything else Buck and Eddie related - Buck was there front and centre - placed very much on an equal footing with Shannon and even Eddie himself in 7x01, and then Eddie was the centre of Bucks bi arc in 7x04 and in his coming out in 7x05. They are literally moving chess pieces into place to tell an amazing story of queer love in later life and creating an epic slow burn for the ages.

And finally, Eddie is, as far as we know at this point in time, still in a relationship with Marisol - why shouldn't Buck get to explore who he is and what he want's within a relationship rather than sitting pining on the sidelines - that isn't healthy in any way shape or form. Eddie still has stuff to figure out about himself.

Even Tim and Oliver have stated in interviews that this is about a happy and joyful queer experience of figuring out bisexuality and therefore within that is giving the narrative a romcom vibe. But they have also stated that Tommy isn't going to be around for that long - that he is very much a narrative device.

It is worth pointing out that timelines on various aspects of the narrative may have been shifted because of the season 8 renewal - but that is only going to help tell the story because now it doesn't have to be rushed. I'm still fully expecting some form of feeling realisation from one of them by the end of the season (my money is on Buck), setting up for season 8 and Buddie going canon either 8a finale or early into 8b.

You have every right to dislike Tommy if thats you jam - have at it, but don't come to my blog and expect me to agree with you. I'm not a multi shipper by any means - I'm a one ship kind of gal and I will be a Buddie shipper until the end of time, but within that, I am here for amazing storytelling and amazing queer storytelling - the like of which I've not had the privilege to watch on my screen before - especially one that hits so close to home. Its a really important story to tell and I'd rather it not be rushed.

And if you had to pick - I'm pretty sure you'd rather have Tommy around for a bit longer that Marisol!!!!

#kym answers things #nonnie asks #We love Tommy on this blog so don't come to my inbox trying to spread hate! #I get not wanting to see half of your ship with anyone other than the other half of it I really do but to deny the narrative thats going to #get you to canon is just a fools errand - its precisely because of that narrative that will make the ship going canon all the more rewardin #911 spoilers #evan buckley #eddie diaz #buddie #bucktommy #kinley #tevan #911 abc #911 discourse

[t1gerlilly]

I’ve seen a number of posts dismissing discussions of racism in the new storyline out of hand. To the point where I have no idea what the original criticisms were. And I think that’s really unfortunate. Partly because it feels like there’s a part of our community we’re not listening to and partly because I have some questions on the subject and would really like to hear what people are saying about it, but I’m clearly not following the right people.

I think folks forget how important Eddie is as Hispanic rep. Although 25% of the US population is Hispanic, only 3.3% of lead roles in TV are played by Hispanic actors (source) They’re also only 1.6% of showrunners and 1.9% of directors. And they are also under 5% of executive or management roles in media (source). So there is clearly a systemic problem.

But how does that apply to 911? Well - Carlos on lone star is notorious for having the least screen time of any character, despite the fact that his character is the closest to Athena in terms of role. And Eddie? Well, the latest I could find was season five totals - and Eddie and Chim, the non-white or black men, were bottom of the barrel. To really establish a pattern, you’d want more than two shows, but at least across half a decade of shows, the pattern is pretty consistent. I’m not making an argument about the reasons for that, but those are just the numbers. If I were to speculate, I’d assume it was a combination of who the network exec, showrunner, and executive producer was, since they have the power to make decisions. Just coincidentally, their racial identities mirror the screen time of the characters? Hmmmm

So then let’s look at who does press for the show - making themselves more visible…yeah, that’s largely Oliver. And you can say that’s because he’s a POV character- but you might be surprised to learn that in many seasons either Hen or Athena had more screen time than Buck. Yeah. Really. But you NEVER see Aisha put out to do press the way that Oliver is.

Why is that? Is it because she’s a black woman? Because she plays a queer character? And who is making that decision and why? Because that lack of visibility impacts her personal career. Same thing with Ryan Guzman and Kenneth Choi, who both have less screen time AND less press.

But in particular- and this is the rub - Ryan has CLEARLY been making intentional acting choices FOR YEARS to shape his character and his dynamic with Buck as queer. Oliver played into them, thinking of them as natural chemistry- but it’s clear that other creators on the show - notably the directors and writers, picked up on Ryan’s choices and fan reactions to reframe the dynamics and the characters.

And it’s really clear that Tim originally intended to have Eddie come out, but the poor reaction to Natalia and the fact that the actress was unavailable led him to switch the storyline to Buck. All of which is perfectly understandable.

But if there’s one person most responsible for the reason we ultimately got bi!Buck, it’s Ryan Guzman - for the bravery and perseverance of his choices as an artist. It’s amazing to me that in all the praise for Oliver saying that he “would have” leaned into Buck as queer even without the go ahead…no one has thought to praise the actor who actually DID THAT - for YEARS- when he was in a much more precarious position as a character and an actor. Like really take a minute to look at what that took…he was risking his livelihood with that choice.

And then, when the show DOES finally make it canon…who gets the praise? The buzz? The support? The white guy who was mostly oblivious for the past five years. Like…how is THAT fair?

And OK, the original plan was for the helicopter pilot to be Lucy, and that fell through so they reached out to Lou, because Tommy was a former character- but also quite likely because he looks a good deal like Buck - and the SL was supposed to have that character be a stand-in for the other half of Buddie. When they switched to Buck, they had to make Tommy have similar hobbies to Eddie to establish the similarities, since they couldn’t rely on looks.

But that meant they totally whitewashed the story line. And if you want to talk about firsts - when has a Hispanic lead come out as gay or bi? And how many of them were men? And how many were over 21? And on a mainstream show?

And no, it wasn’t intentional (just a function of having so many more white characters than Hispanic characters), but it was unfortunate. Not to mention the intersectionality of it all.

So…I honestly think there’s a decent basis for critique there. Not a “these people are terrible” critique, but a “not paying attention to diversity systemically” in a way that lets unconscious bias have the same impact as deliberate bias.

And I really wonder at the people who just dismissed the entire discussion - how hard did you listen? How willing were you to hear what people were saying? Because this is an issue that has to do with real people, their careers, their hopes, dreams, and identities. And you should be willing to listen.

#911 abc #eddie diaz #ryan guzman #911 discourse #911

[mazzystar24]

Saw someone say Eddie baby trapped buck but were saying it fr and negatively 😀

#like as in they were legit saying at least Tommy didn’t baby trap him #I- #im sorry what #I wanna study the brains of some of the Eddie bashers fr #you guys do know you can like Tommy without bashing Eddie right??? #please tell me you know that #evan buck buckley #911onfox #buddie #buckley diaz family #911 #911 discourse #evan buckley #eddie diaz #911 abc #911 fox

[fiona-fififi]

Okay. I'm about to say something that's probably going to get me run out of the fandom, but.

I don't actually think Tommy leaving their date early had anything to do with him not wanting to pressure Buck (regardless of what he claimed later). Instead, I think it had everything to do with Tommy being annoyed and no longer into it that evening, and I think that is both okay AND significantly more interesting than taking him at his word later and framing it as some selfless act by a sanitized elder gay shepherd just trying to do right by Buck.

#listen #i LIKE tommy #a lot actually #more than i thought i would #but i also feel like the fandom has created an overly sanitized projection of him as a perfect character who can do no wrong #in a way that makes him so much less interesting than he has the potential to be #this is NOT meant as a criticism of the character #more just an alternative reading i find more interesting #tommy kinard #911 discourse #just in case #unpopular opinion

[imakatperson22]

I know that the “Buckley Diaz family” has been a term for years in this fandom but I’m going to be brave and tell you one of my pretty controversial headcanons:

If Buck and Eddie ended up together and eventually got married, Buck would change his name and be Evan Diaz.

Considering how awful his parents were to him, I don’t think keeping the name “Buckley”, a name his parents gave him, is a super high priority for him. I think he’d rather have the name of the love of his life and literal son than the name of the people who hurt him so badly. I think at that point in his relationship he’d identify more with the Diaz name.

I also think it would be a little funny when he would introduce himself to someone he’s just met like: “Evan Diaz, but everyone calls me Buck.” And whoever he meets always just looks a little confused like “Why is that his nickname?”

#911 abc #911 #911 on abc #evan buckley #bi buck #911 fox #911 show #buddie #evan buck buckely #gay eddie diaz #eddie diaz #headcanon #controversial #buckley diaz family #christopher diaz #911 headcanons #911 discourse

[rose-sunlight]

The fact people are genuinely foaming at the mouth over other fans “jumping ship” to Buck/Tommy baffle me, like do you guys not multiship? Can you not admit that both ships can happen simultaneously even if one isn’t canon?

How bad is your object permanence?

#this is /lh for the people legitimately malding #911 #911 on abc #911 abc #911 spoilers #evan buckley #eddie diaz #tommy kinard #bucktommy #buddie #911 discourse

[bidisasterevankinard]

Buck and Tommy aren’t together though, so it wouldn’t be cheating from both perspectives. If you’ve headcanoned them in a deep relationship it might, but in canon it wouldn’t be. I don’t see them having a conversation where they’re talking about being exclusive either tbh. Lou was signed for a 4 ep arc so his last ep is due any time now

I'll start with saying I was shipping buddie since 2021, but arrrrrrr how I hate some fans who thinks that buddie canon can justify anything

First, between coffee date and wedding I'm almost sure will happen at least some weeks, so Buck will have time to defying relationship with Tommy, at least asking about being exclusive (you don't ask people you don't want to be exclusive with to your sis wedding). Second, Buck wants something meaningful and it can't happen from him cheating on a guy HE CLEARLY LIKES, no matter how you tries to prove his not. Third, Eddie and Marisol are in serious relationships and from Eddie's side it can be REAL(as you don't see bucktommy as cheating THIS ONE IS CHEATING) cheating.

Also, Lou was FIRSTLY sight up for 4 episodes, before they made bi Buck and bucktommy arc, and Tim still works on last episodes, do you really think Tommy will end his arc in 7x6 when he is clearly pretty popular? Well, surprise he most likely will stay

Now, the problematic of people like you who screams about buddie being PERFECT couple and it's normal to them to cheat on their partners, who did nothing wrong to them and being supportive and gentle, no matter how long they are dating, should be examine. So just because they are your little pretty boys they can cheat now? They can just jump into each other arms without normal build up and no matter that it looks awful and they look like awful people? Be for real and grow up

I'm tired to be respectful to people like you. Next anon like that just will be blocked

#911 discourse #buddie discourse #buddie #bucktommy #eddie diaz #evan buckley #911 #evan buck buckley #911 abc #diana answers

[winchester27]

Also can we just take a moment to acknowledge the way Buck says “I am free”

BECAUSE THAT WAS INTENTIONAL LIKE YES YOU ARE BABY GO LIVE YOUR BEST LIFE

#buddie #eddie diaz #evan buckley #911 abc #buck x eddie #buck buckley #buckley diaz family #buddie dads #911 fox #911 season 7 #911 spoilers #911 discourse #bisexual Buck #I’m so proud of Buck #and I wish him the greatest life #we love you Buck

[cowgirleddiediaz]

welp, went into the buddie tag for the first time in a couple weeks and was immediately hit with a post saying that anyone who doesn’t ship buddie or ships bucktommy doesn’t deserve bi buck.

like, what crack are some of you smoking?

#apparently we’re denying a part of his identity #by shipping this bi character with the man he’s fully dating and caused his bi awakening #911 abc #911 discourse #bucktommy #evan buckley #tommy kinard #tevan #kinley #anti buddie shippers

[allaboutalf]

Getting ready to drag out the old stan X/Twitter account cause wtf do you mean people who have watched the show for about two weeks & have only interacted with toxic buddie shippers are now jumping on the Tommy hate train?

There’s someone who got some traction live tweeting their watch about a week ago & it’s mind blowing to see them go from being neutral but into buddie to a full on easily led hater cause they’ve only interacted with vocal toxic fans.

Asking why people like Tommy when “all he did was be awful to Chim & Hen, apologise offscreen and kiss Buck”. If they just watched the eps about a week ago how did they forget that Tommy, Chim & Hen resolved their differences on screen & that Tommy literally risked his job & life to rescue Bobby & Athena just cause Chim asked.

You don’t have to love Tommy but the forced hate & ignoring his character development is frustrating.

It also is weird that they’ll double down on hating him over it all (& I know they’re doing it cause he’s the LI in the way of their ship) but hand wave away anything any of the other characters have done. None of them are perfect.

Plus, this whole virtue signaling narrative they’ve invented that he could have outed Buck to Eddie over a snarky closet joke that only Buck and the audience had context for - Eddie had literally just mentioned closet space - is so ridiculous it’s laughable. None of them cared when the episode aired but cause it’s gained traction within the toxic buddie fandom as something they can use to turn people against Tommy they’re now all jumping on to use it as a reason to hate.

I’m so so close to joining the few buddie and bucktommy/Kinley shippers over there I see trying to push back (& I do see you guys, I know you’re on here cause it’s a nicer environment, & I thank you for being willing to try to get through to those who are willfully ignorant). But while I like to vent here I really don’t want to engage with them.

#911 discourse #911 on abc #911 #911 abc #tommy kinard #buck x tommy #bucktommy #911 show #shipping discourse #evan buckley

[charliewrites99]

Not liking a ship and explaining why you don't like it isn't toxic for fuck's sake.

Hoping your ship "wins" also isn't toxic.

We call every disagreement in the fandom shipping war. And even if it is so FUCKING WHAT??!!

There are always going to be sides taken. Fighting about what is better. And I am so sick of the whole "multishipping exists!!"

Yes WE KNOW!!

But a lot of people can't do it.

I hate when fandoms go too far with threats and insults and putting eachother down too. I really do. I can't stand when people badger creators and actors about their prefered side.

But if someone hates the ship and explains why or is pissed that it went canon and then rants in their own tag or on twitter whatever, that is not inherently toxic!

Almost everyone gets caught in a shipping war from time to time.

I try to stay away from it, but sometimes I slip.

I was a BIG sylkie hater in season 1 of Loki. There were trenches dug.

Not Sylvie hater SYLKIE hater. You are allowed to hate a ship down to your very core. It does not make you toxic.

Toxic would be going out of your way to attack people. Toxic is saying everyone who ships something is a horrible person because xyz.

People think ship war they think zutara vs kataang.

Most "ship wars" are barely ship squabbles.

#buddie #911 fox #evan buckley #eddie diaz #911 #911 abc #lokius #sylkie #atla #zutara #kataang #shipping #ship wars #ships #ship #fandom #911 discourse #discourse

[h00d13d09]

Now I understand why a lot of people (casual viewers and stuff) saw b*ddie shippers as obnoxious cuz since I stopped caring about the ship I am experiencing it firsthand 💀💀

My only question is...are they not embarrassed of themselves???

#imagine having you brain so rotted to the core about a fictional ship you start attacking ppl #so glad I don't associate myself with them anymore #how can you even enjoy the ship when these people are on tour side??? #before you come for me I didn't stop shipping b*ddie after bucktommy became a thing #i stopped watching 911 yrs ago and the hyperfixation wore off #bucktommy #tommy kinard #buck x tommy #tommy x buck #evan buckley #911 abc #911 discourse

[mazzystar24]

Okay I know I said I’d vibe and ignore the fandom discourse but the amount of Eddie hate lately???? LIKE ITS LEAKED THROUGH TO AO3 COMMENTS THATS HOW MUCH THERE IS OF IT

Istg I will fight in a minute (I say as I block and move on)

Like fr tho these people will have enough understanding and empathy to understand that other characters did/said bad things because of what they were going through at the time (bobby in s1 and in lawsuit era, Buck in lawsuit era, chimney when Maddie ran away, etc) but the man who lost his wife, nearly lost his kid in a tsunami, has to deal with said kid’s trauma as well as his own, felt abandoned by his best friend at that time (felt is the operative word I actually get buck in the lawsuit era tho- don’t make me make a whole lawsuit era post- or do) all in the span of what a year?

God forbid HE says and does some things that were bad/hurtful

Seriously where is the logic here? The cognitive dissonance it takes to empathise with the others but not him is fascinating

#911 #buddie #evan buckley #eddie diaz #911 abc #911 fox #evan buck buckley #911onfox #buckley diaz family #911 discourse

[alidravana]

Ship wars suck in the first place, but when ship wars spill out into comments on A03 and involve inappropriate content and accusations, then thats harassment.

Don't do this folks.

It's one thing to rant on your blog, its another to come into my moots works and spill your discourse.

Idiots like this ruin fandom and cause amazing creators to leave. Stop it now.

#911 abc #bucktommy #buddie #911 discourse #leave discourse out of a03 comments