#opinion on supernatural

[temporaerthaervaerk]

Queerbaiting sucks... but

I find it so affirming as a person who struggles with their romantic orientatation. I just live for that state of not quite friends/not quite lovers.

Like yes, they are partners, yes, they live and die for eachother, yes, every other relationship they have loses all meaning compared to them. But also no, they haven't kissed, and they don't want to kiss, and yet, somehow, every single word, every single glance, every single touch carries so much meaning and conveys so much love because this amount of platonic love is usually unheard of and they don't want the other to misunderstand. And I just- aaah, it gives me so much hope and reminds me that romantic love isn’t the only type of love worth experiencing and showing on screen/paper.

I do wish it was done intentionally and wasn’t just a product of homophobia and capitalism. Like I really, really hate the reason I get this representation. Like, it also leaves a somewhat sour taste in my mouth, because I can see that if the world was more accepting, it would probably be a romantic relationship.

(I sometimes see people calling queercoding queerbaiting, and just to make it clear, that isn't what i'm talking about)

#queerplatonic #qpr positivity #qpr #qpr pride #queer platonic love #queer platonic relationship #queerbaiting #supernatural #bbc merlin #manager kim #nbc hannibal #or maybe not #hannigram is canon #oh well #i've seen people debate it so i'll keep it #house md #bbc sherlock #sherlock holmes #teen wolf #merlin #aromantic #aromantism #asexual #asexuality #demiromantic #demisexual #lgbtqia #controversial opinion #? #i dunno

[pollsnatural]

Warning: no hate towards Sam in the tags.

#sorry sampeople i suck at sam studies #and don't really know what he likes #feel free to vote other option and write your opinion in the tags #i would love to hear it #polls #spn #supernatural #sam winchester

[krashlite]

I like the concept of life series curses being something self inflicted rather than some divine curse of the universe. As in its something that can be worked through if they just learned how, if they just spotted the pattern and moved to correct it. Not that it’s as mundane as Going to Therapy, but it’s magic that reflects a truth about themselves

The Canary Curse is a reflection of Jimmy’s foolhardy determination. The Widow’s curse reflects how Grian holds tactic above connection. 777, the angel number for luck, reflects how Skizz’s friendship is a boon for others at the expense of himself.

If Jimmy just considered how he is doomed, he might take more cautious steps. If Grian just opened up more he could act to protect people instead of damning them. If Skizz recognized that his nature is what ends him, he could protect himself at the cost of others, lasting beyond session 7.

But Jimmy won’t, Grian won’t, and neither will Skizz. And so they are cursed

#I can also talk about Tango’s rage and Joel’s red madness #but that’s a separate post #trafficblr #grian #jimmy solidarity #skizzleman #canary curse #widow’s curse #777 curse #it also offers a deeper context beyond the watchers being bored #in my opinion at least #edit: it is definitely supernatural #just not something that the watchers did

[i-already-know-im-going-2-hell]

The really really neat cool thing about the hit cw show supernatural, is that like all of the characters are red flags actually. Like I can get behind almost every instance of someone pointing out "this was a really fucked up thing for this character to do". Like full on, nodding alone, agreeing with you, no contradicting whatsoever.

But then some of you put on the end "and that's why I just hate Sam" or "that's why I can't stand Dean" and then I suddenly lose you because I thought we watched the same show but now you're trying to take away the "family is hell" part from the "family is hell" show.

#spn #supernatural #other people's bad opinions #sam winchester #dean winchester

[lariej]

me? leaving fandoms? no no no you misunderstand me, i have never left a single fandom i’ve ever been in, i just find other fandoms to entertain myself with until i eventually go back to other fandoms i was in years ago

#it’s a cycle you see #i’ve never left a single fandom i have opinions on all my fandoms #and i’ll remember the lore for each of them too dont u worry #everyone tagging their fandoms they go back to #i love you keep doing it pls #supernatural #doctor who #bts #merlin #ao3 #fandoms #fandom #sherlock #teen wolf #hannibal #the witcher #stranger things #whoever has decided to invest in this post #and did so at 3am last night #why.

[larphis]

I think the closest thing I‘ll ever accept as a proof of god‘s existence are fix-it fanfictions. Jesus sounds great and all - but have you ever had a post canon fanfic that was so well written that it sounded like it was actually canon and you felt as if all your wounds were suddenly healed?? THAT‘S a religious experience if there ever was one, if you ask me.

#fanfictions #fanfiction #txt.post #opinion #personal #fandom #fandoms #humor #religion #fix it fic #writing memes #just tagging a bunch of fandoms this applies to #our flag means death #supernatural #ted lasso #good omens #doctor who #hannibal #bbc sherlock

[franklespine]

You know I think you guys might be on to something when you call Sam woman coded cause - genuinely - how do you, as writers of a show, be so misogynistic as to not include any female characters asides from damsels and hookups (specifically referring to the early seasons), and yet need so desperately to have a outlet for macho masculine patriarchy power dynamics that you have an adult male character experience misogyny?? How do you mess up that badly??

It's like, although they thought that putting female characters in the narrative other than to exist as sexy distressed lamps wouldn't appeal to the true blooded 2000s American audience. But yet it was completely necessary for there to be a bottom rung in the masculinity pyramid because - well how else can we as a society function!!

Anyway, ik reading too far into things is my special talent, and in most circumstances all of this stuff is just a joke in the show but wow they really had Dean poking fun of any of Sam's characteristics that don't fit into this Hyper True Blooded American Masculinity ideology as a butt of jokes for 15 years. The fact that he has longer hair, that he cares about his hair, that he's tidy, that he likes salads and isn't a big meat eater, that he's sympathetic, that he's a bitch. And of course these are just silly little jabs that Dean makes in sibling-like fashion but like wow 15 years. Damn.

And of course it's not only this that leads to the rather odd interpretation of a woman-coded Sam, but also the way he is treated directly by the narrative. Like, for example, being the family's possession, rather than an equal member. Dean has seen it as his job to look out for his little brother since he pulled him from the fire and the wellbeing of this infant was thrown onto his shoulders at age 4, and this has created a lot of ricocheting effects on both of them. This isn't to say that Dean doesn't love, care, respect, and value Sam, but it does mean that sometimes he treats him like a possession rather than a person. He makes a lot of crazy decisions in the show that he justifies as being for Sam's own good, even if it goes directly against Sam's wishes. After Sam leaves a note to Dean telling him he's going out for a bit to handle a case, Dean weasels his way in, not trusting him to handle it due to the mental issues Sam is facing at the time, and kills Amy, despite Sam begging him not to. Even though Dean knows Sam would never consent to an angle possessing him, he tricks him into it anyway. He does these things, and many others because he believes that he is acting in Sam's best interests, totally disregarding the fact that Sam has capacity to make judgements and handle the consequences himself, even going so far as to oppose what he directly knows or Sam tells him he wants.

Then of course there is the fact that the fear integral to his character - a loss of autonomy (bodily autonomy, but also autonomy to make his own decisions about his future, to be good, to be pure and faithful), is an explicitly feminine one. Then there is the strong subtext in his story of SA themes, I think in s4 a demon even refers to Sam as a 'whore' or that he's 'whoring it up' (with respect to Ruby), and the interesting prevalent idea of Sam questioning or going against the ideals/ideology of the masculine figure head (which would be Dean I guess) and getting punished for it. Sam suggests that maybe they take a more humanitarian approach with the cow blood drinking vampires in s2 and Dean punches him, Sam tries to get him to talk about their Dad and Dean punches him, Sam tries to get him to talk about Lisa and Ben and Dean punches him, Sam gets caught simply using his abilities and Dean punches him - twice. I think you get the picture.

Anyway. This post comes off as rather critical of Dean, which wasn't really my intention. It's more sort of a broader criticism of the rampant sexism that had its part in shaping the show - being one to come out of the early 2000s. Ideas such as this - you could really go on for hours as its fascinating how ideological frameworks are presented certain ways in media - and the way masculine and feminine social dynamics, to list only one, is presented in supernatural is definitely a can of worms.

#also dont take this too seriously LMAO its late and I am just thinking about woman coded sam #seriously - how did this happen #saw someone else talk about that scene in s7 after sam finds out dean killed amy and dean says something along the lines of #be pissed all you want but dont be a bitch about it #like wow he really called sam a bitch in the way that woman are called bitches #stop being overdramatic and having an irrationally emotional response to the horrible thing i just did to you #crazy #maybe it was the time it was made but genuinely the amount of times dean punches sam in the early seasons #just for having an opinion or wanting to talk about feelings #i was actually surprised #supernatural #spn #sam winchester #dean winchester #spn meta #i guess #again dont take this too seriously lmao #just a pondering

[preseriesdean]

Everything. I have given everything I've ever had.

#spnedit #deanedit #corespnedit #supernatural #dean winchester #* #😟🔫 #this is a bit experimental #*dc #i think i should add that this is not me saying that dean hates hunting #he very explicitly says otherwise many times and i'm aware of that #there's also a reason why most of these are quotes from s2 #it's just an interesting thing to think about in my opinion #dean #why do i have to be some kind of hero

[dean-mikaelson]

"the very touch of you corrupts" because all best buddies corrupt each other with touch

"you have fallen in every way imagineble" but not in love. that would be ridiculous, you silly goose

"dean and I do share a more profound bond" higher level of being pals obviously, nothing to worry about

"the worst part was dean trying so hard to be loyal with every instinct telling him otherwise" ...sigh

"you asked what about all of this is real. we are" nothing is real except our platonic friendship, my dude (also your brother said the same exact thing to his girlfriend and they kissed but it doesn't mean anything)

"I'd rather have you. cursed or not" "you're hoping castiel will return to you" "don't lose it over one man" if you told me it was from some romantic novel I wouldn't even stop to question but sure I quess

"I'm hunted I rebelled and I did it all of it for you" just rebelling against everything you've ever known for a man you met like,, 4 times? you know, as one does

mixtape. *stares directly into camera*

#they should have kissed but that might be just my opinion idk #this is so ridiculously romantic i have to laugh #dean winchester #castiel #destiel #deancas #supernatural

[monstersandbrothers]

sometimes I’ll see a Dean sucks or a sam sucks post and I’ll be like hahah omg ur so right ugh I HATE THEM [heart heart heart heart heart]. But then i look a little closer and realize oh no you HATE them. Like you hate them:(((((( I thought we were all just being silly :(((

#make me sad :( #it’s just a silly little show about two silly little guys :( #and it’s all just very silly! #we’re all entitled to our opinions I suppose #sigh #spn #supernatural #dean winchester #sam winchester

[beautiful-and-strange]

Come make my bed messy(ier)

#meus #brazil #love #me #sexy #glasses #lost #opinions #selfie #smile #say hi #bikini #sunday vibes #anon inbox #dm me #dms open #asks #ask me anything #ask away #supernatural tattoo #nerdy girl #nerdy

[pollsnatural]

#if you don't want anyone to kill anyone then sucks to be you ig #i'm sorry i just ran out of space for options #polls #spn #supernatural #dean winchester #castiel #sam winchester #jack kline #i make a lot of polls based on my personal opinions today

[mothgardens]

desperately need to be devoured by my thoughts so that i can express them

#this is about supernatural #supernatural #sam winchester #spn #dean winchester #please talk to me about supernatural #castiel #sastiel #sabriel #destiel #i have so many thoughts #and opinions #like destiel vs sastiel #and castiel as a character in general #UGH

[tea-earl-grey]

you know it might be unpopular but i kind of disagree with the fandom opinion that Voyager mishandled the Borg. tng's portrayal of the Borg as a mass unknowable and undefeatable entity – a Collective that assimilates by force and eliminates individuality as a natural and perfect opposition to the Federation that expands through peace and is endlessly multicultural (at least allegedly) – is very good. there's a reason that Best of Both Worlds is still regarded as one of the best tng episodes. but the thing about villains that function through fear and the unknowability is that every time you meet them they become less scary and less interesting. (see what happened with the Weeping Angels in Doctor Who as an example.)

if the shows continued with the same portrayal of the Borg then it would have gotten very old very very quickly with a limited number of possible stories. but then if Star Trek ignored the Borg entirely after their few tng episodes it would have felt unrealistic – there's this all powerful alien race that's invaded half the galaxy and can easily overpower the Federation and we're just... never gonna bring them up again? that's not really gonna fly.

i actually think that Voyager's approach to the Borg is refreshing. we're not going to focus on them as the terrifying unknown entity, we're going to focus on their personal effects mostly through Seven. i don't think Voyager ever really treated the Borg as the generic villain because the Borg were presented on an interpersonal level and opened up the box for more stories instead of just constantly rehashing Q Who and Best of Both Worlds. Voyager followed up on tng's question (introduced in I, Borg) of "what if a Borg was separated from the Collective?" and continued to ask things like: "is it ethical to forcibly remove someone from the Collective against their will?" "how is a collective of humans better than the Collective of Borg?" "can a person ever fully lose their humanity?" "if humanity is lost then can it ever be regained?" "can an individual be responsible for deaths dealt by a collective group?" "if they are responsible then how do they live with themselves? how do they atone for atrocities they never chose to commit?" "is prejudice against the Borg just a reflection of our fear of loss of control and humanity?" "what even is humanity?"

i'm not saying voyager's (and other post tng shows) portrayal of the Borg was great in every way. it definitely wasn't. (i'm still like. mildly baffled by the idea of the Borg Queen and how she's written. there are definitely episodes that veer too much into the action flick genre. and even as much as i love Seven there's definitely an oversaturation of her episodes compared to the rest of the cast in later seasons.) but idk i've heard a lot of people say that Voyager ruined the Borg but from my perspective they just took a character based approach to exploring them rather than a science fiction based approach. some people might prefer one to the other but i think a lot of people missed that Voyager was never trying to replicate the Borg we see in early tng. yes they make them a bit toothless in comparison but that's because we're exploring them through the lens of personhood. it's a feature not a bug imo.

#i LIKE q who and best of both worlds but the original conception of the borg is very limited in scope #and voyager opened it up a bit more #idk if this makes sense #my most stereotypical trek fan opinion is that i actually think the borg are super cool and should get more stories (or at least the xbs) #im sorry but its the combination of body horror + narratives about the nature of humanity and individual choice + the supernatural #almost vampiric eeriness of them #voyager #the borg #seven of nine #tdlr i like scifi stories that are very character centered. who knew. #my posts

[totallyunbiasedspnpolls]

Time for a happy poll!

Seems like it's fashionable *cough* to post shit-stirring polls and then get all butthurt when shit gets stirred. So today? We're posting quite the opposite:

#spn polls #totally unbiased spn polls #supernatural #TFW #TFW 2.0 #bitchy spn fans avert thine eyes #we have opinions but you know what? we're keeping them to ourselves #if you can't take the heat get out of the polls game

[nemo-duspy-writes]

From what little I've seen of Supernatural, it is, in it's heart, a 'detective duo' TV series, complete with cases that only matter for one Episode, one of them being a loose cannon while the other one is going by the book, and a slow burn romance between the main characters.

#supernatural #wincest #dean winchester #sam winchester #tv #opinion #funny