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Jungkook's Juno Persona Chart analysis

-> Someone asked for this in my ask box but can't seem to find it anymore?? I'm sorry! But here is the analysis you guys were dying for lmao!

What is the Juno Persona Chart?

-> The Juno Persona Chart is a chart focused on the spouse you will most likely marry, your soulmate, the one for you. It is based on an asteroid, here called Juno (3). Juno (Hera for Greeks) was the wife of Jupiter (Zeus) in the roman mythology. It shows us the relationship you have with your future spouse, the one for you. This post is just a study of JK's Juno Persona Chart. Note that it's not the accurate natal chart of jk's future spouse, this just tell us about JK's FS's personality and their relationship!

Planets & Asteroids Placements

Sun in Leo 11H, 21°

About FS: The sun (and Juno) represents her personality. Here in Leo, it literally tells us that she is the queen. Leos have a charismatic and royal aura, attitude, even without trying hard. You shouldn't see it as someone entering in the room, and literally trying so hard to be the queen. Leos placements don't have to try, they may not even intentionally do that. People are easily jealous of them for that. They are literal sun, you only can see them in the crowd. Their smile lights up the room, and it's easy for them to get noticed. She is someone who can be proud, dramatic sometimes. When I say that it can be extra like funny extra, very theatrical humor, or also dramatic for being sad or jealous, etc. Just extra emotions lol. She is always the main character. She can be naturally lucky, I always saw that people with big 3 or 6 (or with a lot of Leo) placements are very lucky in general. And she got tons here!! Just tells yourself she is funny, sunny, theatrical, very expressive, extrovert personality, idk how to describe it but it's so obvious to me lol. This placement is also in the 11H which makes her very friendly, she could be very loyal to her friends. She could be a visionary, or just unique, something about her is very different from others. She doesn't think like everyone and instead of just following people like a sheep, she prefers to be herself and let people follow her. This placement is a leader placement but the kind of leader who didn't mean to be one, they are one because they are different and they shine through this. This makes her often be very present on social medias too, she could have a natural talent for social medias management or vlogs, etc. She is very present on the internet and could easily gain fame in whatever she does there (based on the sun here lol). The 21° is a Sagittarius degree, it represents abundance, expansion, wisdom, college, traveling, etc. She could be very smart, philosophical, spiritual being, just have a lot of knowledge about a lot of stuff, she could love study her hobbies for ex. Now, I can't say she is very into studying, her 9H (higher studies) is empty. So I'm just saying generally she is studious. She is very mature for her age, and maybe always has been. Very spontaneous and open-minded, it may shock people, also the moon in the 8H is something that makes people so open-minded they just talk about anything, nothing is taboo for them, it's a placement that makes people for the native loving them and trusting them easily. So this could add up to that placement.

JK and FS's relationship: This placement also indicates the identity of their relationship, mostly as if their relationship had a personality. This placement can be seen in public relationships. I think JK's first public relationship will be with his wife. It makes them show up their love to the world. It also means that they don't care much about people's view on them, they will not prevent themselves from showing affections in public. This placement is also a sign of being a power couple, the couple which is stronger and more popular together. They will both gain popularity from being together, JK will be known as JK but also as the husband of his FS, and same for her. It doesn't mean they will be public about everything, that means they will also work as a team. They will appear together a lot. That's also a very loving couple, people like them. They seem popular together, but it's the kind of couple with whom you don't feel like you can compete with. They are so shiny and seem so perfect. People either hate them/ jealous them or love them, there are no in between. It's the kind of popular couple that just are so cool. They seem very intimidating for that but once you are friends with them, they are the fun couple who never let you out. They can seem loud, and people always notice them. They can be very fun, friendly to each other, mostly in the 11H. This make them act like friends who are dating. They are laughing often and talks about anything. They have a very close bond. It also makes them more popular on internet, internet talking about them a lot, and just the kind of couple to have a YouTube channel together, an Instagram account together. You see? The degree here to me speak about a spiritual couple, a mature couple but mostly a foreign couple. They will be a representation that only love and humans matters, boundaries are non existent.

Juno in Libra 1H, 9°

About FS: The same as the sun here. Libra is strong, meaning she is someone fair, who likes justice (a lot) and someone who is charismatic. Libras are also people who think aesthetic and feeling beautiful inside and outside is important, it's all part of balance. She could be very beautiful, looking like a true goddess, at least in JK's eyes, since it's HIS Juno persona chart. Beauty is subjective don't forget. She has an eye for beauty, she may also be into art. I forgot to add for the Leo part but that also adds there, she could be very creative. Libras are very friendly people, she could be very much, she has good manners and is very presentable. People can think she is flirting while she is just being nice lol. She hates to be mean and always seek for a more fair and nice way to say to someone to shut the f*ck up. But, this is now getting interesting. This placement is in the 1H, making her very focused on her appearance. It doesn't mean she is narcissistic, but she takes very good care of her appearance and she might like to appear pretty, she may love to look presentable. Loving to get compliments about how pretty she looks, and she might enjoy knowing people have a crush on her. But, the 1H is also an Aries house, meaning that she can be polite while saying stfu but if it's too much, you'll be thrown in the sky. She is polite while she is patient or when the time is not right, but man let me tell you when she is fed up, she is. She'll have no patience with you, and you'll feel a sudden change. That pretty little girl will suddenly change into the devil, and you will regret your actions very much. She'll roast and finish you until the last piece. A bad bitch secretly. She could be very good with punch lines too. If it's a good day, she will incredibly patient, if it's a bad day, run for your life. Moody, jealous sometimes. Her humor can be seen as mean sometimes, but it's fine with JK since he has Virgo moon lol, he is the same. The degree is the same as before (sagittarius), so I won't add more, you already know.

JK and FS's relationship: A fair couple, a beautiful couple with good manners. It also gives power couple but in a more beautiful way, meaning they would be powerful for being loved for their beauty. The kind of couple to have matching outfits, a theme for their fashion and outfits of the day. You will directly know they are in a relationship, in love with each other's soul. They look as perfect as Barbie and Ken, you will sometimes wonder if their relationship has any flaw? Of course it has, but they look so happy and harmonious you will feel insecure about yours. They know how to present themselves well. They will be the couple to roast people if they don't like them, and stand up for themselves. The couple to be bold and courageous. They look so cool, tattoos and dark outfits type of couple, looking so confident. They look very presentable, they are always well dressed.

Moon in Taurus 8H, 10°

About FS: Moon here is the emotions of your FS and how they deal with it. In Taurus, it means she is someone collected and pretty chill most of the times. Very calm, can be seen enjoying to be on her own, doesn't mind to be alone. She is vibing in peace. Taurus are stubborn people but they just enjoy harmony. They are collected, don't burst of anger for nothing. They will be soft and cute until you f*ck with them. Once you do, it's suddenly not the same person anymore, and as the 1H placement before, you will regret it. She could tend to buy stuff or eat stuff when she is stressed. They need to spend money or to eat stuff to feel full. It can also happens if depressed or bored. Sleeping can be a solution too here. In order to feel good in her life, she needs some shopping from times to times, mostly clothing and house' decorations, make up too with libra Juno. Eating good and tasty food is important, she will be depressed if she eats tasteless or boring food. Worst if she does a strict diet. Diets are not for her and she knows it lol! She needs good nights of sleep to be well presented in the morning. Routines are important to her to a certain point. She likes some basic routines for her life, but not to the exact minutes. Enjoys changing routines because of Sagittarius & Aquarius influences here. The 8H (scorpio) means that she feels a lot, and has extreme emotions. It means she has strong emotions: she might cry if she feels too happy and same if she feels too sad. Can also happens if she is angry, she could cry in any extreme emotion. She feels anything too much, so she might be hurt too easily sometimes. I said it before, but I'll said it again. This placement make her able to process anything considered "taboo" more easily than others. That means if someone tells her a taboo secret, she won't judge and rather than that, she will want to understand why the person did that or why it happened. A very gentle and understanding person, she is basically a safe place for people. That means she has no problems talking about these subjects, for ex talking about s3x does nothing to her lol. It's a random conversation to her. She should be careful with mental health sometimes, her thoughts and emotions can sometimes be too much. She can sometimes think she goes insane. She may be a safe place for people but she often feels like she can't have a safe place. She accepts people without judging them but feels like it won't be the same for her. The degree is a Capricorn degree, meaning she can be quite reserved with her emotions, or just doesn't share much until she is comfortable. She can be seen as cold with her emotions, it can also means she is not very closed to her father, but is pretty close to her mom, but it can be a conflicted relationship. She could be fearing to be used for her emotions too.

JK and FS's relationship: This shows the emotional bond the couple has. With Taurus here, it's a stable relationship, the emotions are stable. It's not passionate, it's the kind of love that you feel when you feel secured in a relationship. It's safe, there is a routine that is put in place pretty fast, it gives spending all of our time at home together. Staying inside and living like we've been married for 10 years. Being comfortable with each other. But passion is still there with the 8H. There is a feeling about being so comfortable with each other we can literally talk about anything, nothing is taboo. It also means accepting the other's flaws and being a safe place for another. Because the moon is in the 8H, routine is not as important as if it was in an earth house. There is passion, spontaneity, a lot of love you need to consume. It's very deep. Otherwise, the Taurus and Capricorn degree here gives us a big sense of stability and long term. It's a serious connection, and being mature with each other. I like it, it looks very secure to me. Jealousy could still be a thing though because of the house and degree, but Taurus can be insanely jealous too, and stubborn. Wait, actually all three signs here are all like that lmao. Acting cold and distant whenever the other hurt you or pissed you off. It's giving "I won"t apologize until the other do it".... but they both think this way lmao!

Mercury in Leo 11H, 21°

About FS: The communication style, voice and what she likes to talk about! Technically, here it means she likes to be theatrical, dramatic in her way to tells stories. She is the kind of person who literally tells you every details of it so it's like you were literally with her when the story happened. She might be very funny because of that, people find it amusing. She is very expressive in her voice and way to speak. She could speak loud sometimes. She laughs quite a lot and could totally love when it's a funny conversation when people just don't take themselves seriously. She could love to talk about art, creativity, funny and amusing subjects, jokes, cultural subjects, gossips, celebrities, etc. She could also find it amusing when people talk about her, and she could often talk about her too. You shouldn't see that as selfish kind of thing, but she may like to relate to people with saying stuff like "ah me too that happened to me!" or "ah yes I did that too!" something like that. It's not to talk about her, she just wants people to sense they are not alone in their situation lmao. The 11H is such a friendly placement for me there, it literally means loving to talk with friends. She may love to talk on social medias and could even have a lot of international friends she met on social medias. Romantic relationships could have happened too this way. It can also mean to me she is often on social medias and use them a lot, a lot of knowledge about new technologies. So she could be very familiar about posting contents, html, video editing for ex, etc. Easy popular on social medias (take it lightly, it just means she has a natural talent for this kind of thing). The 21° is a sagittarius placement. So she could love to speak about traveling, she could totally love to travel and I already said before how she speaks more than 2 languages (at least her native and English for sure), she just loves to learn so I wouldn't be shocked if she was super good with languages. Loving to talk about spirituality and philosophy.

JK and FS's relationship: Their communication in their couple. It's indeed very passionate, very funny style. They may look like they are allaying laughing, have a lot of inside jokes. They may sound very expressive to each other. The way they talk make people admire them, they see they are very close and people may admire and jealous that. They also look so good together people just want to be like them. The way they speak to each other could be playful too. Leo placements can make someone famous, so here it could be that the way they speak to each other becomes viral? It can also be that people feel intimidated by them. They may talk and laugh loud when they are together, you easily notice them. They may talk about art, movies, fame and celebrities, gossips, fun subjects and jokes, creativity, etc. In the 11H, they may talk about friends and social medias often, or even new technologies. Talking about their friends or talking and joking as if they were friends dating. They often sounds more like a playful couple who still act and talk like they are best friends. You can see they are very close. Because it's in Aquarius, they could use their own language, or they just have expressions only them can understand, and it could become virals on the internet. The way they speak can be odd, they can sometimes don't understand each other because of cultural differences. But sometimes they are so close that no one understands them, but only them understand each other. With sagittarius degree, talking about traveling, spirituality, philosophy, they may talk and have a lot of debates. It feels like talking about random stuff and exchanging informations. Teaching and learning from each other. They may be very funny couple who talks a lot about many random stuff, you never get bored with them. They are open minded and you feel safe with them, they will literally help you and gives you advices. They are friendly and you just enjoy their company.

Venus in Leo 10h, 0°

About FS: She could be very loving person, she adores people when she loves them. She is the kind to show physical attention, words of affirmations, gifts giving. She is a very romantic person and once she loves she will give everything she has. She could love to surprise people she loves, and loves to give the best gifts. When attending birthday party, she will def give the most amazing and expensive gift lol. Mostly also because it's in the 10H, making her more competitive with her love. She wants to be the one who loves you the most, because she literally is? lol. To her, she is willing to work hard for her relationships and is very thoughtful. She will literally buy you anything that she thinks you could love, will pay you something you need, will pay you the restaurants, etc. Will want to spend time with you if she likes you. Absolutely loves hugs and kisses if she adores someone. Will often say I love you when she feels safe with someone. Will just prove her love like you never saw before. But once you hurt her or betray her, don't expect the same thing anymore. It's the kind of love you regret once you hurt her, you will miss her and regret it all your life. The 10H (Capricorn) makes her very bossy and careful to details, she never misses anything. She will remember things you tell her, and just be attentive. She could appear cold or distant sometimes because of her personal stuff but she never let someone down. Could often make friends at work, or even get crushes at work. This placement makes her pretty romantic but in more traditional way, and the 10H placement makes her more reserved about her love? She could love to lead in relationships, doesn't like to be too dominated, otherwise she will feel in a case. The 0° means there aren't many things to add. Or it could also means the other two placements are even more important. Also, she could love vintage things. So she could often daydream about dancing with her lover to a vintage ballad like in the 50-60's. This placement makes her longing for a true and strong lasting relationship. "Happily ever after" could be one of her dream.

JK and FS's relationship: They could be seen as a very expensive, luxurious, famous and classy couple. Literally shine together. They will love to be together, they will always feel like their relationship is better when they are together. Their home could look very expensive, it could be the best and most amazing one you ever saw. Big house type with big cars. They will enjoy being the center of attention together, mostly because they think of each other as a team too. Everything they do will be viral. The 10H (Capricorn) makes them look so good and amazingly classy. They look like they are from a different class than yours. They don't even try, they just look good and you will feel intimidated and inferior to them. Def a famous couple. Once they are public, will always be together. Their house is big, feels family like and a welcome house. You will smell the money once you enter lol. Everything they own will cost. They will have an expensive life style together. They will love to work together, to improve each other and will love to chill and enjoy their rest days together. They could even work together. literally their job will be to be together. It doesn't mean staged relationship, but they will be so public and known to be together that their relationship will be part of their fame, so technically it's part of their job. It could also create tensions like "but what if one day we divorce, what am I gonna do?" something like that.

Mars in Cancer 10H, 25°

About FS: For her ambition, she is very family like, she hates betrayal and respects people a lot. So she def has ambition (10H) but she is a very soft person, so it doesn't look like it. She could have a very innocent view on things, which doesn't make her the kind of person who literally kills everyone just to have what she wants. She believes in doing things naturally and achieving things she wants with good vibes. She believes in hard work and mostly thinks of people as family. She hates having enemies and she isn't very much competitive. She could def cry if she is angry. Is very angry when she is but the feeling is just too much and she may be very sensible, so she will just cry. Could feel like she doesn't look scary at all, looking like an angry child, you know they are angry but they just look so cute you are not scared at all. This is exactly her. She could feel this way. With the 10H, she still has ambition, meaning she needs to work hard to feel it. If she does nothing, she will lose her drive. Studying and working make her feel more energetic and gives her a sense of ambition. She is a very hard working person, and she could have success in whatever she does if she works for it. When angry, she is cold and distant. Def use the no talking and ignorance on people she is angry to. Could even try to make them feel inferior and jealous. Just want you to come and beg for pardon. If you act like you don't care, it will be worse. The degree 25° is an Aries degree, she has a temper I would say when she is angry, it makes her want to quick some ass sometimes. She could sometimes have so much anger she could shake or shiver. The kind of person to dream she fights to free her anger lol. I think she knows how to be aggressive and how to fight, she might even want to fight physically sometimes. The cancer placement maker her soft but cancer are quite lunatic too, making her quite moody and angry sometimes. She doesn't fight often though, but words could kill someone. She has a bit of competition yet not as much as it would be. She just have enough to feel like she won't give up. She is a natural leader but treat her people like family, doesn't wanna scare people. But will def be bossy when needs to.

JK and FS's relationship: S3x, anger, drive, ambition in the couple. This is a team that is driven by the sense of family. We are a family therefore we are a team. They do not see each other as colleagues at all but mostly a couple that happens to be famous. Their sense of love and home is more important than actual work team. Their ambition happens to be family focused, what is best for us, etc. It's more emotions oriented than logic. Their public image will be soft, romantic and home like, they want people to feel comfortable and like them like they are part of their families. They just want the public to see them as parents, or as a couple you can find comfort with. For the anger, I would say that they don't argue often, they could totally do but it must be for important stuff. They are not the type of couple to argue all the time, they rather do it privately. And both might cry when they argue. They may not like it because they are family and they don't want to hurt each other. The FS could be more dominant in the relationship because cancer is ruled by the moon and it rules over feminine energies. But the 10H thing make them both stubborn when they are mad to each other, giving cold treatments or being bossy. They are the type to ignore each other when they are mad, but they are mature though. The 25° (Aries) make them sometimes argue and yell at each other. but it's rare because of the cancer placement that soften the couple's interactions. For their ambition, this placement being 10H and 25° make them think professionally a lot. They may help each other in their career so they also see their relationship as a good opportunity.

Jupiter in Pisces 6H, 26°

About FS: She believes in spirituality for sure. She thinks spirituality is the way to heal (pisces in 6H), it's a good way to learn how to live good and to live a healthy life. She may often gives advices based on spirituality tools, and could do sports like yoga, pilates, etc. Anything that feels healthy for the body and the mind at the same time. She could find a luck in her life if she turns to healing with spiritual's help. Like shadow works for examples. This is obvious she is a spiritual person to me. She could have a natural gift for that. She could also desire to help people heal or help people through their life with spiritual tools. The 26° (taurus) makes her believe that spirituality is here to help have a balance life. For her, without it, you can't have harmony. It may help her a lot this way, so she counts on it for other people too.

JK and FS's relationship: Where they will grow in their relationships. Def a spiritual growth, I don't know the number of times I said it before lol. There is a growth for this subject, and manifestations too. There could be a growth in the mind limitations. They will find the most luck in involving each other in spirituality. The 6H placement makes them having routines and mostly healthy ones find a more balance way in their relationships. They will enjoy taking care of each other and their life will only improve if they do so. The degree is a taurus one, making them searching for stability. In conclusion: if they make healthy routines, work out to together, find comfort and home on each other, and find a stable life style with spirituality involved, they will feel very lucky in their life as a couple.

Saturn in Taurus 8H, 3°

About FS: She may feel like she isn't stable enough, not enough stable mentally, not enough mature. She feels insecure that she is struggling with money stability, home stability. She thinks without it, no one will want to be with her. In the 8H, she may be insecure about a trauma that happened sexually. I talked about this before in the Briede PC, she may have had STDs or another trauma related to a r*pe, s3xual assault, etc. She may think because of that she is unlovable. Or she may struggle with herself because of that. The 8H literally means being closed off because of a trauma. The 3° (gemini) tells us that she may feel insecure about her voice, or her way to speak. She may have trouble speaking, or mixing words sometimes. She may not feel smart enough or cultivated enough.

JK and FS's relationship: It shows what feels restricted in their life as a couple, what isn't stable and challenges. With the Taurus placement we go also with stability, if you check the North Node you will understand why. Stability, routines are challenged in this relationship. It can be seen as hard to achieve, or hard to put in place. They can feel like their love life isn't stable and they may wish for a more calm and private love life. With the 8H (Scorpio), I feel like the problem is that people are obsessed with them, they may find themselves trap in obsessions, and people's desire to find their secrets, etc. They may find their love life is unbalanced because of that and they are too public. They need to put boundaries between the internet, the public and them, as a couple. They will learn that through their relationship. The 8H also means a private relationship, so they could totally starts this way. The degree here is a gemini one, literally could mean about gossips, and people talking about their relationship a lot. They will find each other caught in rumors a lot. It will challenge their stability in their relationship.

ASC Virgo, 29°

About FS: She looks cold, closed, and someone stressed, or anxious. She looks like she is busy. She may have appearance of someone who is too good for you, she could also look quite innocent too. Looks like someone who is smart but doesn't speak too much. Her skin could be fair, she could also dress in a. very clean way. Always appear as someone who is very clean and put together. Everything on her is where it should be. The 29° (Leo) tells me she looks very solar, she is someone you easily notice, someone who has a spark. There is always something different about her, she has thick hair too. Her eyes are shiny, and she has a smile you can only notice and adore. Her eyes smile as she smiles. Always look super good and well dressed. Someone who create trends without trying. She isn't a show off because of the virgo placement.

North Node Virgo 11H, 1°

JK and FS's relationship: This placement is supposed to show where their relationship will go, where it is supposed to go. The north node virgo tells me it is supposed to make the native embrace and follow the path of healing, of routine and good habits. So achieving a life of healthy routines in order to get the life you desire. So this couple is meant to find a true balance with healthy routines, it gives me a vibe of longterm relationship. With the 11H placement (Aquarius), it tells me that finding a healthy balance between their personal life and the internet is needed too. The 1° (Aries) is about the self. So it's really about balancing between the two. The purpose of a north node is to tell you what you are supposed to do in your life, it is a good way to tell you your purpose in this lifetime if you are lost. Looking at you North Node PC can be a tool too. But it doesn't come easy to understand it AND to apply to it. What I am trying to say is that in the beginning of their relationship, JK and FS can have hard time to balance things out between the internet and them. They can find themselves being very public without true desire to, or to be harassed by people on the internet. They can have hard time finding a balance and a healthy routine at the start with all this attention.

Groom in Taurus 8H, 21°

About FS: She will see her groom (JK) as a very stable person she can count on. She will see he is stable in his life (stable job, economic stability, someone open to have a long term relationship, etc.) and she will feel very safe with him, this is what she will think of. She could think she feels a home in him, someone she can finally be comfortable with. This conjuncts moon, meaning he is her home. The 8H placement with the moon conjunct groom could mean she trusts him and finally learn how to trust and rely on someone. He is an exception to her. It also means she sees him as quite mysterious sometimes but mostly passionate lover. She could have a lot of desires for him and just see him as someone she shares a passionate love with. There is a huge psychic connection, their soul are connected. The 21° (sagittarius) means she sees him as a foreigner (lol) but also as someone she can learn from, and whom she can help also. Someone she can travel with and get a lot of knowledge with. She sees him as someone she will never get bored with and is happy to feel so safe yet with him.

Briede in Virgo 12H, 28°

About FS: This placement explains how she thinks JK sees her. She thinks he sees her as someone cold, perfectionist, hard working, someone details-oriented, someone serious. She thinks he sees her as someone who is similar to him, someone he feels at home with (conjunct JK's sun & moon). The 12H tells us she thinks he sees her as a spiritual person, a dreamy person. He could find her depressed sometimes, in her pov. She thinks he may also find her dreamy, a true princess (lol cute). She knows he find in her the one he was waiting for. The 28° (cancer), she thinks he thinks of her as the mother of his children, someone he find comfort in, someone he wants to protect, his home. This is just such a cute placement to me.

Boda in Aries 7H, 4°

About FS: She will marry fast, meaning not long after meeting her spouse (JK). I think I already said it before? The wedding happens quite fast after, it will be love at first sight and I can't stand to not be yours. Really lol. To me it doesn't seem like a hurry decision like she is pregnant or impulsive actions, it's really "true love and can't wait to be together because I found the one" type of thing.

DSC Pisces, 29°

JK and FS's relationship: Being in Pisces it means this union will be very spiritual. It could feel like a dream come true or a fairy tale to them. They could feel like they found the one for each other. It really is a divine union for sure. The degree here tells me it's a famous couple, and they shine together. They were good before each other but ever since they got together, you can't imagine them without each other. They will be loved for their union and for their love story. Their union will attract a lot of fame.

MC in Gemini, 29°

About FS: MC is an indication of career. Here it can indicates what she does in her job when she will be with JK. Gemini is def something that goes with languages, with talking and communicating. This could be very important in her job, as she may daily communicates with people. Analysis and learning is a thing too with gemini. The 29° (Leo) could make that she is famous for it. She has popularity for it, she could be a leader too. It can also be that she shines in her job.

Fama in Leo 10H, 21°

About FS: Literally means to be famous one day. Leo in 10H usually means you are meant to be famous in your work. It means being a leader and being famous for it, being famous and being known for what you do at work. The 21° is also a Capricorn placement so it means that she could really be big if she goes on a leader mode. She shouldn't be afraid to lead, it will do good on her, and mostly she is destined to do so.

JK and FS's relationship: This placement indicates being famous together at work. They are leaders and powerful couple who can use their couple for work matters. I already said it before, but this is also more logical with this placement, they can really make their popularity grow together. Being with each other will help them gain more fame.

Potential important signs/ placements of JungKook's FS based on the Juno Persona Chart:

Leo

Libra

Sagittarius/ 9H

Capricorn/ 10H

Aquarius/ 11H

Gemini

Taurus/ Scorpio/ Virgo/ Cancer

Sun/ Venus/ Moon/ Jupiter Ruler of her Natal Chart

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loook i get why the idea of riding the "anti/pro" fandom disk horse makes people gag a little in their mouth and try to opt out entirely, but here's why i went from feeling exactly the same way to taking a firm profiction stance. I've been meaning to make this post for a while.

~10 years ago, I posted a fic for the first time and it got its own harassment campaign. The fic wasn't even sexual, and wasn't going to be (it remains incomplete). It was accurately rated T on fanfiction.net. Anyone in the Fairy Tail fandom will understand this: I literally got harassed for writing a "Lucy leaves the guild" fic💀.

After many nice comments, someone left a pretty nasty one. Hurt, I messaged them back. They acted super attacked that I'd responded (lmao) and after we argued, threatened to "rip my shitty story apart in the comments section" if I responded again. I told them "go ahead lol."

They went ahead.

Now know that it was a relatively small harassment campaign, but at the time, it was devastating. Right around then, I wound up in the hospital. After I got out, I went to excitedly check my fic, and found several reviews saying things I wouldn't repeat to my worst enemy. I was suicide-baited more than once, told "thank fuck you finally abandoned this shitty story, dumb cunt," stuff like that.

There were several accounts involved, and I can't say for sure, but I suspect at least a couple different people were involved, though probably at least half of it was one person.

All the other comments were screeching about how I hadn't updated, mostly. "NO UPDAAATEE WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS TO MEEEE??!!!" was one that stood out after I'd been miserable in a hospital for an extended period of time.

Idk what people think is going on when FT fic authors write this trope, and frankly I don't give a fuck. Because while I was partly writing the story out of some young, cringe feminist rage, I also did genuinely have a real story I was compelled to tell. I was inspired by another, popular fic I loved which used the trope to talk about how trying to shoulder our burdens alone really just hurts both ourselves and everyone who cares about us.

My own story was ultimately going to have similar themes, with more focus on strength, what it means, and in what contexts earning and having it actually matters. In retrospect, no wonder I wound up in hot water, because at the time "Lucy vs. Strength vs. Misogyny" was the FT fandom's Designated Nonsensically Activist Debate™. But that's partly why i wanted to write about it; engaging with the fandom had gotten me thinking about it 🤷‍♂️

Not too long after that, FFNet oh-so-benevolently granted us the ability to delete comments from our own stories (they never took my reports seriously at all, afaik). I deleted all or most of the harassers' comments (may still be a one or two up, and i'm fairly sure there's a couple comments defending my fic from the harassment) without saving screenshots, which I really regret now. I was just so mortified and full of self-loathing about the whole thing that i wanted to forget it completely. Something that had brought me joy at a very lonely, vulnerable period of my life had turned so negative, and i couldn't even tell the people closest to me about it without being made fun of for writing anime fan fiction.

I didn't understand why this happened at the time, but--after a period of trying to forget/bid out of it all with a slight anti lean (a common approach I see people use, and one which I'm not proud of adopting)--I just had to figure out What the Fuck Even Happened There. And I'm telling you, after years of reflecting, wrestling with both sides, and educating myself, that this "status quo of harassment" culture which pervades fandom goes way deeper than you think and comes out of a way darker well than you probably realize. An astonishing amount of this is, quite literally, TERF shit and evangelical shit.

Trying to be in fandom and take a stance of, "Anti/Pro shit? Ew, I'm Not Touching that," is like swimming in a heavily polluted river and being like, "Poison? Cringe. Not me lol."

You might be lucky enough to be in a less-polluted part of the river (AKA a relatively non-toxic fandom, in which case good for you!)...but tbh this rhetoric and peer-signalling will still seep in.

I can't stress enough that pro-fiction, AKA "proship", is the normal, leftist-about-art-and-sex opinion. Pro-ship is against all the horrible things you're against; in fact, pro-ship isn't trivializing real trauma by equating it with fictional trauma, or trying to apply literal evangelical/radfem solutions--which are proven not to prevent or help. Profiction/proship is literally just saying, "Fiction is fiction, reality is reality, and the two don't have a 1:1 relationship. And historically, trying to censor just things we've decided are bad has done nothing but get LGBTQ+ and POCs censored. Therefore, depictions of illegal things shouldn't be censored." That's it. "Proshippers all ship problematic ships," is a brazen lie. Many of them share other fans' disgust for those ships, they just don't believe in censoring fic authors over it.

It is also taking a stand against harassment because--and I hope my own story has helped drive this home--as with all groups who adopt ingroup/outgroup thinking, antis are defined by their tactics, not actual stances on real, serious issues. What happened to me was absolutely a result of anti, "it's okay to 'bully out' anything I just don't like" mindset pervading fandom. In a way, this was the mindset's final form. They didn't even feel the need to cite a reason the trope was "bad" or "wrong"; it annoyed them, and they viewed their own feelings as a valid enough pathway for policing to go right ahead and do so.

In the interest of offering solutions instead of just bitching about problems, I might make a "how to know if you've bought into these types of views"-type post sometime. Also might come back to this and provide some sources/citation.

#cw harassment #tw suicide-baiting #tw hospitalization #posts i actually wrote #fairy tail #nalu #fandom #fandom meta #proship #pro fiction #anti-censorship #fandom wank #profiction

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HAVE YOU EVER DRAWN THESE GUYS?

Sooooo idek where to begin with this. I'll start by saying that yes I contacted Rebornica/Bones/Voltergeist and bought two of their old FNAF au designs. Those being Scott/Phone Guy and Jeremy. Before I get into anything I feel like I'm obligated to address Volt's past and let it be known that I do not Care about a mentally ill teenager faking other disorders or aggressively yelling at people to stop copying them or whatever other overdramatic thing they did like a decade ago and I don't think buying from them is anywhere near comparable to "supporting problematic people" compared other designers who are like homophobic or whatever the fuck else, and I'm not here to talk about or argue about "the ethics" of me giving Volt money. So jot that down before you even start typing.

I'm here to ask if anyone here has drawn art of Scott/Phone Guy and Jeremy so that i may save it and add it to their toyhouse galleries. You'll see they both currently have like 100 pieces in their galleries right now but I know that's not even scratching the surface. Theres just so much of it It's overwhelming to look for. Theres also issues of these designs being so popular to the point of people making their Own personal redesigns of them. And it starts to muddy up which art belongs to me or not. This isnt toooo much of a big deal with Jeremy as the giant "?" on his face makes him pretty distinct and easily recognizable as The Guy That I Own. But this becomes a problem with Phone Guy specifically. He is... pretty much The design that everyone draws him as regardless of if they intend for it to be Rebornica fanart or not. People use this design in their own AUs, people use this design as their own OC. Theres so so so so so much art of people labeling their art as "heres my phone guy design!" and its just the Rebornica design. And I don't feel comfortable or really have the heart to save anything that people consider to be theirs even if its literally the design that I own x__x It's just a bit hard when you own a design that is considered canon enough to a real video game to the point where people just. Take him. and there's nothing I can do about that. And it's not something that upsets me tbh because I knew this was an issue when I Bought him. Literally all I want to know is what art I can or can't save and upload to their archives lmao. So I figured asking people to send me their art directly would help reduce the chance of me just taking someone else's art that they didn't intend to be My phone guy. Not even counting the fact that a popular FNAF fan game called Dayshift At Freddy's has their own version of phone guy that ALSO had the red rotary phone head but wears a black business suit. So, any art of That One isnt mine.

But anyway yeah! And just know i'm looking for literally anything involving these guys. Digital art, traditional art, gifs, animations, physical/irl art, doodles, comics, fanfic, cosplays you made, even weird misc stuff like ponytown designs for them, literally anything and everything!!

also because i keep getting asked about it, Vincent, shadow vincent, mike, vendetta, mahogany, faith, captain, vex, sheriff, fritz, hocus, and boss have also all been sold and multiple different people own these guys now. and for vincents owner specifically, i will not be giving out their username as they Do Not Want To Be Contacted About It.

im cross-posting this on multiple websites so feel free to reach out anywhere where its most convenient for you. reblogs are appreciated for reach

twitter: straitjacketzz discord: straitjackets toyhouse: straitjackets

#fnaf #rebornica #rebornica au #phone guy #jeremy fitzgerald #five nights at freddy's #voltergeist #night terror #vincent bishop #purple guy #fnaf au

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What are you most controversial/unpopular OP opinions??? Sorry if it was answered before

You want me to get canceled so bad-- If I speak-- But idk, I guess I'll say the controversial opinions I can say publicly without a bunch of people coming at me!

Zo$an is a bit... Overrated? And by overrated I mean extremely/annoyingly overrated. I like the ship and its canon dynamic but I think at least 80% of the fandom portrays them in a very mischaracterized way. Not to say that... The ship is literally everywhere and the shippers always look for every little thing to prove they're canon, even if the "proof" has literally nothing to do with them. It's not that I don't enjoy the ship (although I must admit I prefer other dynamics a lot more) I just can't stand shippers that go to extremes. It's funny because I think Zo$an's dynamic is way more interesting and romantic in canon than it will ever be in the fandom. It's a bit sad, ngl. I liked them a lot at first but it got so tiring and now I am pretty exhausted from seeing it everywhere. The people force it to be more than it is when the canon is already pretty fucking great.

Adding to the Zo$san thing. I think that relationship would only work if Luffy is there somehow but it wouldn't last a day without him in the relationship. Unless there's like, a ton of character development most of these people don't make them go through.

One Piece Film Z is my worst enemy. It's such a boring movie. The only good thing is the soundtrack and maybe the suits but God watching that was torture.

Boa hate is uhhhh weird. I mean, I get why the joke about her being in love with Luffy might be annoying, but I think most of you need to learn to understand that Oda's sense of humor is sometimes a bit too exaggerated (and not funny) and it has basically nothing to do with the actual canon dynamics between characters. Boa likes Luffy because he's one of the first men who has ever treated her right, so of course she confuses that feeling with love. And of course, yeah, it isn't canon. Whatever. Just read between the lines, maybe? And also, stop using words like "pedo" to describe her because using that term so lightly about 1) a fictional character and 2) somebody who's clearly not a pedo is fucked up. Lmao. Do you even know what that word means???

Once again complaining about Pudding hate and saying that it's stupid. I won't overanalyze because I always do it with her, but the only reason people hate her is for misogynistic reasons and because they're babying Sanji. Evil male characters are okay and hot and very traumatized but the second it's a woman she's the most evilest person ever! Because God forbid they make mistakes! Suddenly their character development isn't valid because they hurt their babygirl!

Now that we're talking about my dearest Pudding. Not tagging anybody of course, but I saw this post with so many interactions of people agreeing about Sanji considering violence as a sign of love which??? Doesn't make sense at all?? OP said it was because he couldn't tell the difference between love/abuse because of his family, but that's just... Not accurate. That could only happen if they had manipulated him into thinking abuse is a type of love, but he had healthy love growing up. Even when he was with the Vinsmokes (Sora and Reiju, I love you). And yet OP said Sanji considered Pudding's behavior flirting (wrong) and that's why he let her attack him (nope) and that it was proof of Zo$an. And okay, it's not a hugely popular theory, but a lot of people agreed with it and it bothered me a lot because it's both out of character and also using Pudding (complex female character) once again to try and prove the canon of a ship (that doesn't have anything to do with WCI either???). It just bothers me. People can perceive the story however they want but... Y'know.

OPLA isn't that good. Or good at all? I only like it because I like the cast and it's funny seeing my blorbos irl. But the script is simple and dull and just stupid most of the time. The characters are either simplified, mischaracterized, or forgotten. And tbh most of the shots are very awful and could be a lot better. The directing is also nonexistent. It's 6/10 and 3 of those points are because both the Zolu and the cast.

Apparently this is a very common theory about Nami's origins, but, uh, I don't think we need to know? What else do you need to know about her? People say she's a lost princess or something like that as if we didn't have a lost princess already (Sanji ily). Repeating the same plot would be boring and underwhelming, but also? It'd be extremely useless for the plot and it'd go against everything about Nami's story and the way Luffy reacts to it.

Luffy isn't canon aroace. In fact, the reasoning people use for him being "coded" is the same Oda uses for Zoro too and Zoro is almost never portrayed as the "idiot who doesn't know what sex is" the way Luffy often is. If you're calling Luffy canon aroace for what Oda said about him being focused on adventures, the same goes for Zoro being focused on his dream. They could be coded arospec but there's nothing confirmed and the constant discourse about it is stupid. Attacking others because of their ships just because you don't agree with them and saying it's wrong using our identity to do it is very fucked up. Especially since most of the time people complaining aren't even aroace. The only reason people do it (attacking others saying they can't ship Luffy and that it's "weird" and "wrong") is that they infantilize Luffy/Don't want him getting in between their ships (<- aroace person writing this) (also, it's very ableist since people agree on Luffy also being neurodivergent coded and treating him like a kid bc of that but this isn't about that now).

Somehow this is very common. Some fucking how. I can't believe I have to say this. I'm tired of people blaming Usopp for what happened in Water 7. Or in general hating Usopp. Actually, he's one of the best-written characters in the whole show and he's so underappreciated it's so frustrating.

Sanji's perv jokes are annoying af and we all know that, but people who hate the character and consider him a red flag for that are missing the point completely. The point being "Oda exaggerates jokes to an annoying extent and most of the time they don't even reflect the character". I understand they can make you uncomfortable (same here tbh) but reducing Sanji to only those jokes is a waste of his character. You need to take jokes less seriously.

If I see one of these "red flag OP boys" TikToks adding Law/Ace/Zoro/Sanji next to fucking Doffy I will riot. Also, stop adding Crocodile there. He's a mafioso, there's NO way he won't be a sweetheart to his lover.

Baron Omatsuri's artstyle and animation is amazing and it fits the plot and aesthetic of the movie perfectly and people saying it's ugly will forever bother me.

"Usopp is suddenly hot after timeskip!" He has always been hot what the fuck are you talking about.

People reduce Nami to her "mean"/"sarcastic" personality a lot when she's quite literally one of the most kind-hearted characters of all. That being said, morally speaking she's probably one of the worst. I could explain how that works but I don't want to do it now, the point is-- Let the girl be sweet instead of making her mean all the time. And also, let her be mean and selfish without making it her entire personality. There's something called "balance".

Film Red was kind of bad. Like, the songs are amazing (thanks, Ado) but the ending is awful and the plot is very meh. I'm only here for Uta and Shanks but the rest of the characters are just useless. I do appreciate Sanji's hair in the movie, though.

#i am aware that most of these aren't that unpopular and i think i've just been on tiktok too much #some of my opinions should stay hidden from the world i don't want to make people angry lmao #anyway here it is hope you like my hot takes hidden in between mild takes #one piece

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Lmao, for sure. I mean, "he became a deeply protective and caring creature" or whatever they said in Roast of the Monkie Kids, and I sat there like....you mean. you mean the guy Tripitaka often agreed with, *insert some allegorical thing for persuasions of the heart, and that post on their similar nature* the one who get getting Wukong in trouble and stole fights at the end? Mmm, yeah he would push you off a cliff. But bc he's different here, we're contractually obliged (not personally, but when discussing objectively in fandom) to acknowledge those differences. I dislike JTTW Tripitaka, but I understand he's a different dude here. Also woah, didn't know that was something Tripitaka got hate for??? Most Wukong fans I hang around tend to like him. But 100% its genuinely funny Macaque gets the "bUT in jtTW" treatment bc in any other fandom it would never happen. But maybe its exactly because he clicks all the boxes of the fandom's villain fav that there's this push and pull to balance what someone thinks is a "lack of criticism" so they turn to the book and say "well if this was the BOOK he wouldn't be as popular" that is, of course, besides the people who genuinely have their lore all mixed up and with full confidence throw out incorrect facts. Also ughh, Macaque and the monkeys is one of my favorite running gags in this show and I really hope you're right because that means he maaaaay have been there during the Burning of Flower Fruit Mountain, if they keep that in since Erlang Shen is in the show. And it's right after the LBD incident. And yes, it's quite possible. To add on to your points, Wukong says "its time to give back what you stole" in s1 ep 9 and this show loves its parallels. Macaque's eye twitches then, and I wouldn't be surprised if he said that in their 2nd fight as he also stole their supplies. Oooh that IS interesting, I thought the fire sealing happened after the journey. I know a few people theorized that this was an AU where the circlet got taken off sooner, makes you wonder why? Honestly yeah, if they actually grew to get along then makes a whole lotta sense why Wukong would be upset. There's a thousand layers of tragic, because Imma be honest. I really struggle to see Macaque as being possessive or jealous. He'd going to need a serious trigger to do that, and it would have to be either serious resentment over Wukong not being there (FFM burning) or "Because normally you just RUSH to my rescue." being internalized and acted upon when "Monkey! No violence!" happens. The 1st fight def haunts him as it haunts Wukong bc we see him say "I need to stop dragging you into my mess" post s3. "But no! Wukong doesn't listen to anyone, doing whatever he wants and dragging everybody into his mess." Their fight drives me insane bc for the life of me, I can't imagine what motivates Wukong to throw shade like "always had a sidekick kind of vibe." and "on brand for you to have a worse version of everyone else's powers" and "that's a relief. I thought it was somebody important." or why Macaque wanted to kill him so bad "its going to be soo satisfying killing you with your own powers" why always the power reference? because all this over the MONK??? Nah. What caused them to spit hypothetical vitriol in mystery fight 2 so bad their relationship fractured into this. "It's great to see ya, bud!" being mocked again that time implies their 2nd fight had a heavy connection in bringing up the 1st as well if Mac is literally resurrected bothered over it instead of fight number two. "Looks like our own friend, the Lady Bone Demon" (s3 ep 1??) is ALSO weird af phrasing, because it sounds like Macaque was there during the LBD fight when we know he wasn't..........right? with the close timeline of events and her involvement in Mac's revival + the Diyu also freeing Azure + both of them initially hating Wukong, makes you wonder if its orchestrated to get back at him, like literally every villain thus far. Maybe for erasing his name from the book of life and death?

Especially with the trailer out.

I have a feeling the 10 kings are covering up their crime of releasing Azure and blaming it at Wukong.

Which despite it not at all being his fault, there’s too much evidence against him that unfortunately frames him as the one who released Azure or something…especially since all 10 kings are in a position of power.

Maybe this Season is more on trying to prove Wukong is innocent or something?

#lego monkie kid #lmk #lmk sun wukong #lmk monkey king #monkie kid

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wifegideonnav · 2 months

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I'm new to Tumblr. How do Tumblr users usually engage with each other?

well first of all welcome haha. the main ways to engage with people are:

liking and reblogging. platforms like instagram and tiktok run on likes and an algorithm, but on tumblr, people almost exclusively use their dashboard and turn off suggested content, so they’re only seeing what people actually reblog onto their dash. that’s why people on this site are so adamant about reblogs, because likes basically do nothing. i saw someone say once that anything you would like on a different social media, you should reblog on here, and i totally agree. and don’t worry about how old a post is, or about reblogging something you’ve previously reblogged. there are posts from 2014 that i regularly see on my dash a decade later, so literally don’t feel awkward, it’s 100% normal to engage with old posts.

tags. there are three main ways tags are used: labeling original content so people find it in searches, internal organization systems when reblogging or posting (for instance, many people have a tag for their original posts, and will tag reblogs by fandom or character or whatever - important note that reblogs do not show up in search results), and to make sotto voce comments on a post. it’s normal for people to make jokes, add their own commentary, ramble about something semi relevant, or say something to op in the tags on posts they reblog.

reblog additions. every time you reblog, you have the chance to add something to the post, which unlike tags will be retained when someone reblogs from you. a good rule of thumb is to comment instead of tagging when it’s something you actually want other people to engage with, as opposed to tags where you’re just kind of expressing yourself lol. don’t be surprised however if you see people’s tags getting screenshotted and added to a reblog. if this happens because the screenshotter likes what the tag writer said, it’s jokingly referred to as “passing peer review.” (and of course people screenshot tags to criticize or mock them as well.) essentially, tags are like being at a big group dinner and saying something to the person next to you as an aside, and then sometimes that person goes “hey everyone listen to this”

post comments. there’s also an option on every post (unless op has turned it off) for people to comment on the post itself, not on a specific reblog. mostly this is useful for talking to people on personal posts or posts with reblogs turned off. on a bigger post, just reblog it and put your thoughts in an addition or tag.

asks. seems like you figured this one out! lmao. asks are used for a wide variety of things, but essentially it can either be a prompt for someone to make a post or a way of having an interaction/conversation with someone without dming them.

dms. these work like dms everywhere else, except the functionality is limited and it kinda sucks.

games. there are also many varieties of games that people play with each other, ranging from ask games (things like “rec me some music” or a post with prompts and people send you some from that list), tag games (typically there are questions you answer then you tag other people to fill them out for themselves) handwriting tags, follow chains, giveaways, name/url playlists, and more. with the addition of polls, brackets have gotten popular too (eg the tumblr sexyman bracket). there also used to be a lot of in-character ask blogs, where a user would set up a blog and roleplay as a specific character that people could send questions to (there still are some but way fewer and way less popular than there used to be)

to be honest i feel like i have to put “discourse” and “drama” on this list too. people on this site loveeee having the most insane arguments of all time and then everyone else memes the hell out of it. google “sonic for real justice” for an example lmao. (of course there’s also very unfunny political and fandom discourse that goes on as well. i would advise you to avoid discourse blogs as a general rule regardless of whether you agree with their position or not)

tagging people. you can also @ people in posts you think they’d like or if you feel like they have relevant input. typically this is something you would do either to people you’ve spoken to before, or a big blog with an established persona and rapport with their followers (eg if you follow a blog about snakes and you see a random post with snake info that seems wrong but you’re not sure, so you tag them to ask for their expertise).

and this isn’t a specific “mode” of communication but it’s also a thing to “interpret” (for lack of a better word) other people’s posts. for instance, people drawing a photo from the original post (i cant find it but there was a post going around recently where op posted an aesthetic photo of an egg cooking and then several people painted it), or people trying/recreating something a post was about (example). it was also a thing for a minute there where people would rewrite funny exchanges as shakespearean dialogue

those are all the ways i can think of, although im sure i’ve missed some (if other people think of any pls add on!). good luck, and i hope you’re able to meet some cool people!

#asks

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i don't know if you answer asks but you're one of the few blogs still consistently posting pjo tv crit and it's been such a relief. with the amount of praise it's gotten i feel so gaslit like am i just being a baseless hater?? but no there's a reason a lot of the people criticizing the show are writers. it's a poorly written show and the more i think about it the more problems i find

like i was thinking about the way the kids in the show just know everything and how boring it is to watch, especially the casino scene, and something hit me

the lotus casino functions perfectly as a metaphor for traits associated with adhd--the need for stimulation and time blindness. anyone would fall for the casino's lure, but especially adhd kids. the fact that the show takes that away is REALLY weird to me, to put it kindly

if i were being less kind? i would say there's grounds to argue that having these characters, who are children with adhd, be impervious to something that is designed to trap people exactly like them is, on some level, erasure of their disabilities. especially since the one character who does get affected by it is the one who doesn't have the same neurodivergencies as the two who don't. the explanation for why percy and annabeth didn't start to forget themselves was such a lazy cop out and i can't believe people ate it up

i don't know what that writers' room has against literal adhd children falling for traps that are designed to trap people, but it's embarrassing for them tbh

i’m so glad to hear it anon!! i’m a little surprised to hear it too tbh, i wasn’t sure if anyone else was still. interested in discussing it? it seems like the pjo/atla fanbase overlap means most people have moved onto to the live action atla show. and while i am an atla fan, i didn’t grow up with the show the same way i grew up with the pjo books, so based on what we’d already seen/heard of the natla show before it even released + my utter disappointment and heartbreak regarding the pjo show, i decided to spare myself the watch. i would rather keep my memories of the original show untainted; what i have seen of the show resonates with people’s criticisms of the writing (and as someone who has done costuming work. one look is all you need to understand THAT criticism lmfao).

but i’m honestly… surprised? the pjo show did not get the same level of criticism as the natla show? it’s not like pjo is not also very popular with that same generation, sure, atla being a show perhaps made it more appealing and accessible to more kids, etc etc, sure. but from the fan bases themselves, size aside? proportionately? the pjo fandom is FULL of show defenders just blatantly ignoring the show’s major foundational issues if not just outright parading them around as successes, meanwhile the critics are in the minority. compare that with what i’ve seen where the complete opposite is true of the atla fandom, it’s weird!! and especially jarring to me bc it seemed pretty clear to everyone in the atla fandom the show had Issues, meanwhile the pjo fandom heard the promise from rick riordan’s very own mouth this show is going to be faithful to the series’ spirit. it’s so weird to see the wildly different responses to what i think are prolly equally bad reboot shows, with a fandom of similar demographics (clearly not the SAME demographics or the response would prolly be more aligned but you get my point). so i agree anon, i do feel a little gaslit by the pjo fandom, and watching the atla fandom’s very reasonable response to the natla show is like. whiplash. another sign you and i are not losing it lmao

as for the lotus casino, this is an excellent point! i don’t even think it can be called unkind to point out how this episode is a symptom of the show’s overall disability erasure. i would say it’s unkind of the show to erase adhd and dyslexia representation. in fact, because of the explicit promise by its creator to see that representation, i would go as far as to call it cruel to then erase it. if anything, based on rick’s promises to add more representation, i was hoping for elements like autistic annabeth confirmation, since when pjo was first written, it was based off rick’s son and his friends who were all ND, and at the time it wasn’t thought to be possible to be AuDHD, but likely some of those kids probably were (and that then made its way into the books in characters like annabeth!). that would have been the perfect opportunity to add something with the foresight of modern times, but instead we got… absolutely no disability rep from the show aside from a few short lines of dialogue as a lame-ass bone-toss to the book fans.

the pjo show’s biggest crime is its lack of spirit of the original book series, and that book series cradled myself and every other ND child or child in an abusive situation who read it. it offered us a mother who never got angry with us when we showed “difficult” symptoms. it offered us camp half-blood, the idea of a place, a home, where people like us were not just accepted, but thrived. it offered us a new world. it offered us a friend in percy jackson. i do not feel the show truly offers anything substantial. it only takes.

#anon going ‘i’m so glad you’re still posting pjo show crit’ had me whipping my head around like ‘YOU ARE?’#so thank you anon lmao #i’m still like. marinating in the idea of making a pjo discord server (where crit is welcome)#i don’t know if anyone would still be interested now the like. hype/reverse hype for the show is dying down #and truly excellent point i had not been able to put my finger on why that scene got under my skin so bad #pjo show crit #pjo tv crit #ris raves

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Genuinely curious as to if you asked permission to use Rachel’s characters and she said yes or if you just decided Lore Olympus is popular enough to make a fan comic of and are hoping you don’t receive a cease and desist? Can anyone create a remake comic of original content and just change what you don’t like about it and it’s considered legal if you say the characters belong to the original creator? There is plenty of disappointing media out there that could be remade. I understand you cannot use their characters for profit so is just posting it ok?

Yes, anyone can, because it's called fanfiction lmao Obviously in my case the term "fan" is being used loosely here as at this point it's more like "foe"fiction LMAO but the same principles apply. Unless I try to claim LO is my own creation or make a profit off Rekindled, I should be in the clear. If legal action was taken against me then it would set a precedent against all forms of fanfiction, rewrite, redraw, etc. content around LO which are all essentially doing the same thing Rekindled is doing. I think people tend to view Rekindled as somewhat of an "exception" that's vulnerable to legal action because it's an actual weekly comic put into practice in the same playing field as LO (though they're on massively different bases obviously LOL), but there's not much more separating it from the LO redraw accounts or even the genuine fan accounts that have learned how to draw in Rachel's style (and use it to make their own LO self-inserts and whatnot). I had the time and resources and experience to do what I do through Rekindled, but every redraw, rewrite, fanfiction, etc. account are making the exact same statement I am, whether intentionally or not - "I do/don't like the canon, but/so here's what I think it would be like if it went like this".

There is definitely plenty of media out there that could be remade, and a lot of them are by the fanfiction writers out there who are filling that niche within their respective fandoms. LO is the one I want to do because it's the one that interests me and compels me the most to rewrite.

Not to mention, it's already a bold statement in and of itself to say that I'm "using Rachel's characters", a statement that likely wouldn't hold up in court LMAO Her "characters" are literally just stylized self-insert versions of public domain figures. She did not write The Hymn to Demeter. She did not create Hades, or Persephone, or Hecate, or any of the other characters she writes about. She does not own an entire religion or its deities. The only thing that she really "owns" is the licensing rights to the name "Lore Olympus", and while the style of LO is very unique and identifiable, you can't trademark/copyright a style because that uproots the entire foundation of what art is (ironically no one has had an original idea SINCE the Greeks, we all just learn and adapt our styles based on other artists that we get inspired by and learn from).

Shit, there are series completely unrelated to LO that get harassed or otherwise warned that they could cross into "legal territory" with LO just because they're Greek myth comics. Punderworld, Theia Mania, H x P Ficlets, all of these are comics that also tackle the H x P myth, and while they aren't attempting to do the same thing as Rekindled (as they exist on their own terms) it's really disappointing when I see people talk about these comics purely through the scope of Lore Olympus as if LO invented Greek myth. If WT/Rachel tried to pull rank over the story's "characters", they'd be picking a fight with every other Greek myth comic, book, movie, etc. and they oughta know that's not a fight they're gonna win lol

So everything beyond LO's branding is, in and of itself, fanfiction. Rekindled is just another level deeper by being fanfiction of a fanfiction. As long as I'm not profiting off Lore Olympus' namesake or distributing my work with the misconception that I created LO, it's legally fine. Morally, I'm sure it doesn't exactly make me a saint to do it, it definitely took a lot of hubris for me to say "yeah I don't like how you wrote your story enough that I felt the need to rewrite it completely" and I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking doing so is icky. There are certain lines I won't cross - I don't use the general LO hashtags because my content is very critical and my work isn't really for the fans, I don't encourage anyone to "show Rachel" what I do here because none of what I do here is obligated to be seen by her (and I know it wouldn't be in her best interest to see it anyways, she's literally said that she doesn't like criticism so why tf would I wanna show her a comic that exists to criticize her work lol), and I'm not planning on posting it to Webtoons because that's Rachel's territory. I don't want to overstep both in the legal sense and in the moral one. I think it's more than enough for me to just post my stuff here for the people who are seeking it, and not profit off it or directly affiliate it with LO/Rachel beyond crediting.

All that said, in a moral and legal sense, what I'm doing is literally the basis of fanfiction, and I wouldn't be going to such lengths and spending this much time every week putting out episodes every week if I never cared about LO and how it made us all feel, even if some of us don't love it as much as we used to.

#also just as some food for thought and because i couldn't find a place to fit it in the post #sonic mania ended up being one of the best games in the sonic franchise in over a decade and it was made by a sonic fangame dev #a lot of shakespeare's most beloved plays were also 'stolen' from other works #and don't get me started on the screenwriting industry #many of the books they adapt into film are completely rewritten from weaker source material or material that just won't work in movie form #obviously sometimes it's for worse and not better #but rewriting works you're dissatisfied with is an age old tradition IMO #fifty shades of grey exists and it was literally twilight fanfiction when it started LMAO #innovation is found in fandoms #i could just be haphazardly defending myself tho LOL maybe i'm just an asshole #lore olympus critical #lo critical #anti lore olympus #antiloreolympus #ask me anything #ama #anon ama #anon ask me anything #lore rekindled #lore rekindled comic #lore rekindled ama

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cat-of-starlight · 1 year

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Ok-

In the wake of the new Limbus Brainrot because Canto 4 ended, I've been seeing a certain... Dante related theory... making the rounds again and I wanted to post my thoughts about it.

Putting it under the cut for length reasons- No specific spoilers?, I just don't wanna blast people with the text wall lmao

I gotta say, I really hate the Dante = Ayin theory. Desperately.

Not any hate to the people theorizing- not like that, I just already have a deep hatred of [x person is actually y person]/Reincarnation/etc. theories.

Why, you may ask? Well, in the case of this theory specifically, I have three main reasons.

1 - The vibes of the two characters themselves

Important note, I actually like both characters. I know some people have A Lot to say about Ayin, and honestly so do I (Probably different things but yea), but I generally don't mind him as much as some other people seem to.

I also love Dante.

And Specifically, I'll say- I like them both for Incredibly Different Reasons. Different enough reasons that I feel that mixing the two would ruin them both. I mean sure, Dante CLEARLY has something going on in the memories they can't yet remember, but honestly? Ayin already had his arc. HAD his chance in the spotlight- a whole game of it. I wouldn't mind a cameo, or reason for him to be important in some way, but I'd be crushed if all the reasons I've come to love Dante were smothered by "oops all Ayin"

I feel like it would make it almost... Pointless? "Oh yea this character may have had their whole character arc, but surprise! They aren't REALLY their own person and are instead this dude who already had his character arc!"

2 - They/Them Dante Supremacy™

Now, considering that the meme They/Them Dante post that I made blew up and is now my most popular post on my blog, I think its safe to say where I stand on the Dante's Pronouns part of everything-

I think it would be kind of... dismissive of that to make "Oh yea they were they/them to hide their identity" Because uhhh. Their identity is already hidden. We can't see their face. Literally anyone could have their head taken, a clock replaced, and that outfit slapped on and it generally wouldn't matter-

I feel like it kind of would send the message of "They can only count as they/them because their everything is hidden and we can't tell anyway" which??? No??? Even once Dante's actual head gets revealed, if people start switching calling them to whatever gender they look the most like and the game still uses they/them I'm Going To Bite People.

3 - ??

The least plot relevant, and the most just vibe based is- I just kinda feel like this type of reveal in writing often kinda feels like a cop out? I mean, I'm sure there's probably a well done version of one of these, but I sure as hell haven't found it yet-

I mean, in a BIG city with TONS of characters, there is SO MUCH plot that a character can have, without needing to jump back to a character that they already have. Sure- Project Moon Protags often have a Big Reveal, and its often Shocking- but does it really need to be a rehashed reveal from the first game? "boo he's old news get new material" ya know?

Anyway yea. I don't like the theory- Never have from the first time I saw a post about it.

If you like it, feel free to keep on with it- I don't mean this to say "If you theorize this, you suck" or anything, I just keep seeing it, and felt the desire to put my own two cents in~

But yea, keep on with it if you like it? Maybe tag it something specific and I'll just block the tag lmao

#It just doesn't vibe with me idk #They will always be separate in my head #Again I just don't like that genre of theories ANYWAY but yea #limbus company #dante limbus company #dante lcb #lcb

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ragecndybars · 3 months

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AO3 tag game :3

thanks so much for the tag @mvshortcut !!!!! much appreciated, this was a blast to fill out :D

How many works do you have on AO3?

86! Damn, that's more than I remember 🙀 I have been writing pretty fervently since I was pretty young, though, and I transferred all my old fics from fanfiction dot net to AO3, so it's a long stretch of time. All my old wattpad fics are still rotting somewhere though lmaooo I can't even access them anymore bc I forgot my password and I can't reset it bc I used a school email 😔

What's your total AO3 word count?

443,734! When I get to half a million I'm gonna have to throw myself a party. With boba and everything

How many fandoms have you written for, and what are they?

Oof, okay, here we go. A lot of the fandoms I have tagged on AO3 don't really "count" because they're just aggregate tags for the same fandom, so even though AO3 says the number is 48, I'm gonna count the TRUE number as 17. (It got cut down so much because of how many video game series have different games with different fandom tags on AO3, lmao)

Here's the breakdown of the list:

Persona (Mostly Persona 3)

Fire Emblem (Mostly Shadow Dragon and Blazing Sword)

Legend of Zelda

Pokemon

Professor Layton

RWBY

Kid Icarus: Uprising

Earthbound/MOTHER

Red vs. Blue

Voltron Legendary Defender

Naruto

Final Fantasy XV

Harvest Moon

The Mysterious Benedict Society

The Avengers

Animal Crossing

Care Bears (despite having never actually consumed any Care Bears media to my knowledge)

The worst part is that this stupid list would be much, much, MUCH longer if I finished even a quarter of my WIPs 😭 Hell, even just my "Video Games" subfolder in my "Fanfiction" subfolder has more than 17 subfolders in it...

Y'all don't understand how many random fics my ADHD spares you from ever seeing I have no focus

Top five fics by kudos:

Ash and Emotion (Zelda) - Not surprising, I knew this was my most popular fic. It was for a ZeLink zine full of beautiful work :)

Resemblance (Naruto) - bro I always forget people really liked this one. Literally an unedited drabble I did in an hour for a "pride month drabble challenge" which I immediately abandoned. Trans rights I guess

Always Wanna Play (But You Never Wanna Lose) (Persona 3) - This one isn't surprising either, and I'm very proud of this fic so I'm quite chuffed to see it get so much attention... thanks everyone :')

The Beat of Your Heart (Zelda) - Now this one surprised me a lot. This was just a little piece for ZeLink week... Another unedited one, I literally was writing it on the toilet in church so I could get it out in time 😭

Comfort (Zelda) - Another ZeLink week piece, but I knew this one was popular. Also unedited, lmao. I was writing it on the day of my AP Calc finals and I rushed through the exam so I could have more time to work on the fic 😭 I made some Choices that year

Do you respond to comments?

I try to! But I get very anxious about it and tend to work myself into a tizzy, so I often put it off for later and then forget, haha. Then I'll go and respond to all my comments from the last few months and feel even weirder about it... T_T

What's the fic with the angstiest ending you've ever written?

Oof. That's... a hard one, haha. I've written a couple of fics without happy endings, though I typically don't. At least three fics which end on a canonical character death, for instance. But I'd say the ending which made me the most emo writing was Butter, a Mother 3 fic. It ends with Lucas, who's like 9, recently lost his mother, then lost his twin brother (and thinks it's his fault), and is now being neglected by his father, crawling into bed and crying. So yeah, pretty bleak, lmao... but at least he doesn't die I guess?

Do you write crossovers?

I do, but I haven't posted many yet. I'm not always huge on writing them, but I do think about them a lot. I was working on this one Persona 3 x Fire Emblem Awakening crossover but I lost steam on it, and now there's a really lovely crossover on AO3 with a similar premise that I was SO delighted to come across!!! Hope y'all don't mind me taking a break from linking my own work to shill for this one, hehe

Have you ever gotten hate on a fic?

Unfortunately, yes, about six times, I'd say. Even more unfortunately, most of those times happened earlier on in my fanfic writing career, and I was pretty sensitive to hate back then, so I deleted many of the relevant fics, and some of them I don't even have access to myself anymore.

Not gonna talk about the ones that are still upsetting, but I will talk about the funny examples: on a (since deleted) RWBY fic, I said in the author's note that I "wrote them as platonic, but the fic can be read as WhiteRose", and then I got a glowing comment gushing about how good the story was which ended with "but then you had to ruin it by shitting all over WhiteRose, how about you [long suicide bait]". Third most baffling comment I've ever received.

The two most baffling were on different fics, but both were making the same weird accusation??? One was on a ZeLink fic (actually, on Comfort, my fifth most kudos'ed fic of all time now), and y'know I think I'm just gonna show you the comment in question:

The other one was on a long-since deleted fic which focused on both a romantic ship, as well as a fatherly relationship between one member of the ship and the other member's father. I guess having a fatherly relationship with your father-in-law makes your boyfriend actually your brother (and therefore you can't date him anymore). IDK man people are crazy. (tbf the commenter in question thought I was setting it up so that he'd get adopted by his boyfriend's parents, which would give them more of a case, but like... that didn't happen in the fic and wasn't going to. they just guessed at a future plot development and got angry about their guess)

Do you write smut?

I do, but I've never posted any. I've posted one fic that was very suggestive, I'd even call it "NSFW" in a sense, but never anything explicit. Maybe I will in the future? We'll see if I can ever finish anything smutty, lmao.

Have you ever had a fic stolen?

Yep, I had Ultimatum, my longest chapter-fic (and by far my most popular fic in the ff.n days) stolen and posted on another site by somebody. I reported it but never checked back up to see if it got taken down.

I also feel that I've had my work plagiarized pretty damn blatantly in another fandom (I was browsing a certain AU tag and read one which contained all the exact events and sometimes word-for-word dialogue from a fic of mine, just very very slightly rewritten) but the poster had no other works and their writing was definitely extremely juvenile, so... I figured they were a dumb kid and just decided not to raise a fuss. Checked back later and they deleted it, hopefully because they realized they shouldn't do that, so I figure there's no need to start shit over it. Honestly, if that person used that experience as a jumping-off point to write their own fics, then I'm glad it happened, imitation being the highest form of flattery and all.

Have you ever had a fic translated?

No, though I had someone reach out to me on fanfiction dot net a long time ago and ask permission to translate An Unheard Goodbye, which was super exciting! I agreed, but I don't believe they ever got around to it, or if they did, they never posted it. Still very flattering, and I think about that a lot, hehe.

What’s your all-time favorite ship?

HOW COULD I POSSIBLY ANSWER THIS. UM. UM UH. UHHH UM UH I. UM.

I'm.... gonna say Zelda/Link? I haven't written it in FOREVER but it was such a huge part of me coming into my own as a fanfic author, so I have to give it credit for that.

What’s a WIP that you want to finish, but don’t think you ever will?

.......all of them 😭 god I have so many of these damn things. But for the prime example, I'd point to Ultimatum, an old Pokemon fic that I started in middle school. I got all the way to the climax and I feel bad leaving my readers hanging, but... at this point, if I did continue it, I would honestly have to rewrite the whole fic first just to be in line with my current understanding of the characters.

What are your writing strengths?

Y'know, I think I get character voices down extremely well in a way which elevates my dialogue and narration. That's probably the thing I'm most proud of in my own writing, at least.

What are your writing weaknesses?

BREVITY. Or the utter, glaring lack of it. I have also been known to muddy up my writing with an overabundance of A) adverbs, B) unneeded clauses tacked onto perfectly good sentences, and C) em-dashes 😭

What are your thoughts on writing dialogue in another language in fics?

I think it's dope as fuck, but I currently can't really accomplish it because I'm monolingual (NOT FOR LONG IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, I'M COMING FOR YOU, JAPANESE FLUENCY!!!!). I will also say that I don't like when authors will write characters having a story-important conversation in another language, then put the translations in the end notes or something, requiring you to either read the chapter confused or else keep scrolling back down and back up.... I think even that's totally fine to do if what's being said isn't plot-relevant, though.

What was the first fandom you ever wrote for?

Naruto. I hadn't read or watched Naruto btw, I had only read other Naruto fanfics. I have spoken on this topic many times, but it remains hilarious to me. Also, so many of my old Naruto fics are lost to the Wattpad times, but I will take this opportunity to once again share a quote which I recently managed to unearth from my long-lost unsung magnum opus:

Never ever will I intentionally attain the level of comedy gold that I managed while writing completely dead serious Naruto fanfiction on Wattpad in 2012.

What’s your favorite fic you’ve written so far?

See above. How could I ever top that fic.

In all seriousness, this question always makes me sweat, but I think I'm gonna say Oil, a slightly older fic from my EliHec days which I absolutely obsessed over for months before finally managing to finish. And, unlike most of the fics that I obsess over, I think the obsession actually made it come out better rather than worse, haha.

thanks again for the tag!!!! as for me, I'll tag uhh, hm, @wizard-finix @dreamedge @misty-wisp @flyfish1999 and any other AO3 writers who see this!!! (idk how many of you use AO3 and most of the MBS authors I know have probably already been tagged hehe but anybody who wants to should absolutely feel free!!!!!!!)

#Lee Speaks #tag game #god this is long. i love ranting about my writing thank you again for the tag

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bearhugsandshrugs · 3 months

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If you feel down with this amount of comments and feedback, then I should probably kill myself :-( Sorry, I don't mean to be mean.

You are one of the most popular authors I know. I am so jealous of the amount of comments you get. Does the anxiety and self-doubt never get better when even you feel like this?

It’s not mean at all.

I get what you are referring to. To be clear I wasn’t necessarily feeling down in this instance because of lack of feedback – but there are some WIPs I’m struggling with, and some sections I wrote I didn’t like as much as others, and I was feeling a bit down. It’s normal, I think.

But I still compare myself to others. Everyone does.

I’ve had so many conversations with writer and artist friends these past weeks about exactly that type of struggle.

Let me get into more depth under the cut.

There are writers who have followings in the thousands and/or write for larger fandoms/ships who struggle with feeling good about their work literally as much as people just starting out, even if their posts have hundreds or thousands of notes. They would say "I get less notes and it's frustrating" and I check their posts and I would go "....those are amouns of notes I can only dream of" lmao. Which doesn't mean they don't struggle! It simply means we have different measures. Different reference points.

There are writers who barely get any comments, or any feedback, who feel completely discouraged. Wondering why they don't get the attention that others are getting.

There are writers who do well with one particular type of content, or they throw stuff out quickly as a joke, and that outperforms the things they pour their heart and soul into. They feel caged. Like what they truly care about isn't good enough. For me one example is an Emperor oneshot that outperforms many of my personal favorite fics. It boggles the mind?! But it's no use wrecking my mind about that. It just is.

Almost all writers I know get super discouraged about how artists get multiple times the reblogs and attention that fic writers get, even though we all know rationally why. It still hurts.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't comparing myself to others. I do. I get jealous. I get insecure. I do occasionally think my writing is not "good enough".

To this day I barely read other Gortash or Raph fics for that reason because early on I did that and once read a Gorty fic that I thought was so good, why would I ever write Gortash myself? Like what business would I have putting something out, if writers like that exist? Imagine if I hadn't forced myself out of that slump. Most of my writing would have never seen the light of day.

It's not good to compare myself, I know. But it's human.

Sometimes people send asks like yours and insinuate I'm super popular. But then.... I... don't think so?

Don't get me wrong, I have this amazing community in my comments and I am so grateful for them. I know that is rare and I am so appreciative of that. I know that I have quite a good chunk of fics that do really well on AO3, especially for Tavtash. But if you then check out.... Astarion fics? Or literally any blog that does Durgetash headcanons? It puts things into perspective.

Ultimately it doesn't matter of course to know that "popular" authors like me (??? it just feels so weird to say! I'm sorry! Not to be mean!) also get insecure.

But maybe it is reassuring to know that the anxiety, or jealousy, or self-doubt doesn't say anything about you other than that you care about your writing.

Because at the heart of it, that's that. We all create because we love creating. We share it, because we seek to go into community with others. Only when people share our writing, or comment, or feedback, do we get to feel that community. Without it, it feels hollow. And this hollowness then gets filled with jealousy, anxiety, or self-doubt. This is why I keep repeating that thing about people needing to reblog fics. Needing to comment on fics. It might just be the one thing that keeps someone going.

I hope you know that popularity, comments, hits, don't necessarily say something about the work, other than that it fits what a fandom-cultural norm considers "good" at that given time.

I am more than ever motivated to create that Discord server for fic writers to have exactly these types of conversations.

Thanks for sending me the comment. I hope you keep writing and creating and you know that these emotions are human.

Sending you love anon!

#my writing #anon asks #anon if you want to keep talking assign yourself an emoji please #bg3 fanfic #fanfic writing

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west end question: i obviously love my brooklyn girls and would die for them all, but is it bad that it’s taken away the sprace dynamic for me? like i’m still 100% on board with a nowhere near canon ship and it shouldn’t affect me they’ve decided to have spot be a girl, but it lowkey has? and i feel kinda guilty about it? idk i love my proshot boys. but i am 100% here for all the uk newsies cast they are amazing and so talented and it’s definitely my favourite production by far!! idk if i’m making sense

ok part of me feels a litle baited actually because like. i feel like... im vocal abt mlm musical sprace not being a big vibe for me in the first place. so im a funny person to ask if you were looking for relief lmao. anyway here's my thesis below.

wait also if ur a white newsie fan a read-thru+rb of this would be much appreciated thank youuu (also yall have been eating up my character analyses anyway sooooo!)

TL;DR THESIS: if you're feeling genuinely let down that your ship did not see the light of day and a black girlsie spot conlon got to instead, then yes, you should reevaluate that.

followers, if you've been with me long enough, you know that i have quite strong opinions about how this show gets treated when it comes to interpretations and fandom/fanon. mostly, this is because i literally work in theater, and it's extremely backwards in my brain personally when shows get treated more like a movie or tv show than a performance piece.

im also one of the only ppl in this fandom that ever seems to dare speak on race (not the damn character smh). and anon, buddy, kiddo, this does have to do with race, gender, and sexuality.

firstly, what i think needs to be understood about newsies, is that it is theater, which means it is meant to be mutable. there is no one way. there should never be one way. it does not exist. secondly, theater does not exist in a fandom vacuum. its live every night, conceptually. theater is a live performance art.

interpretations change- it's the nature of theater. so i think asks like these really do illuminate the difference between fans of the show's content or fans of... i guess the show's culture's content.

this is a culture content ask.

one thing i really, truly, deeply need you all to understand: from an objective, script- and staging-based perspective, proshot sprace does not exist. they do not speak. they barely see each other. race does not even volunteer to go to brooklyn. the ship originates from the 1992 movie, where they do actually interact, which is why the ship has prevailed through the 90s to today. they're from the movie, not the musical.

of course, this doesn't bash the ship- it has history, and naturally fans want to create new history when they get a new source material (the musical). it's true for like every newsie ship lowkey (but also not lowkey because all the manhattan newsies do interact and sprace literally does not but thats a different post!!), which is something i do admire about the fandom- we do a lot of our own legwork here, we invent relationships and backgrounds from one-liners that could be given to tbh any frickin newsie. i respect the 30 years we have invented ships.

however.

when a huge, publicized, consistently sold out production comes along with spot conlon as not only a woman, but a woman of color (specifically black rn!) as the leader of the most feared group on stage, there becomes something much more important than a "sprace dynamic", which does not canonically exist in the musical anyway bro. you can't miss something that isn't there imo. often the story and casting within a story comes first, and goddamn if this isn't one of those times. lillie-pearl's spot brings bravado, swagger, confidence, and intimidation that is literally....fine maybe i'm being personal but it is slash gen incredible to see in technically a period piece! a black woman in leadership with that kind of assuredness! in such a popular musical! how is that not– automatically surpassing an often obsessed-over (yes i am. hinting at something here, straight girl fans) mlm ship?

and while i'm on the topic of the over-obsessiveness of mlm musical sprace, let me talk about uksies sprace. because what's also wack abt this ask is that sprace is not a hopeless case in this production- it literally has about as much 'evidence' as the proshot imo!!!!!

i got to hop over to 2nd row brooklyn seating for act 2 so i saw once and for all really close up, right. there's a moment when race is upstage letting the newsies in/down from the stairs. spot comes down and she does, in fact, share a look with him. race gives spot a nod and she keeps moving.

and like im gonna see the show again (every day i am counting my mf blessings fr), so if i'm wrong or they don't do it every time i'll correct myself, but that's what i saw with my own dang eyes on saturday. they do acknowledge each other in uksies.

and since they do, i really like. i have to ask. what is bothersome/unpopular abt uksies sprace, other than oh idk.... its not white/white mlm with a twink/manly bf trope? why can't race still love who spot is as a character, this strong and fearless ruler of brooklyn, in uksies? because tbh josh's racer...nahhhh because. this is such a side note now but they'd be so good together oh jesus am i gonna ship uk sprace. and it's not like they're 'taking away' from a queer ship because a) you can headcanon spot as a queer girl and race being trans is consistently popular and b) newsies has ten billion gayass ships bro we've been eatin for literal decades.

anon, i'm sure you didn't mean harm by this ask. i'm sure, honestly, that a lot of fans are feeling the same way as you and weren't quite sure how to put it in words. but, i'm also not surprised you sent an ask like this on anonymous specifically.

should you feel guilty about it? i don't think guilt is the right word. but i believe you should think more about how newsies is not.....static. it does not exist in one form, and it never will. if you're feeling genuinely let down that your ship did not see the light of day and a black girlsie spot conlon got to instead, then yes, you should reevaluate that. in theater, you should always question why something impacted you the way it did- a major point of theater is to discuss and think about it when you leave! i know this because ive spent three years literally studying it, to back up my thesis credentials.

thank you for reading this, newsies fandom. i do honestly say all this with love, and i hope it made u think !! ♥️

#i just. damn dude. im tired #sprace #race x spot #racetrack higgins #spot conlon #newsies #sprace newsies #newsies uk #uksies #newsies the musical #newsies live #livesies #west endsies #west end newsies #race higgins #race newsies #spot newsies #anyway josh's race would fall ridiculously in love with lillie-pearl's spot. like goddamn #i believe in them and you should too!! uk sprace!!!!

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