#arnor

[iamnotshazam]

Aragorn and Arwen have their son Eldarion twenty years after their wedding, and at least two or more daughters. That's the extent of canon info about their family after LotR. If we're going by what Tolkien's ghost would think is canonical pseudo-medieval gender roles, that's twenty years where the Reunited Kingdom has no heir.

Which is fine for Peredhel-turned-mortal Arwen, when elves can go centuries between having kids, and Dúnadan Aragorn, who knows he's got another 80-100 years in the tank before he *coughs politely* can't empty the tank. The Arnor Dúnedain, who for generations as an entire people have been crashing on Elrond's couch while larping at still having a kingdom, would understand this intuitively. But the people of Gondor (only a small percentage of which I think are Dúnedain?) may not quiiiiite understand this, not completely internalized it.

So they are hovering around Arwen, this beautiful alien creature that just landed in their backyard and snapped up the most available bachelor before he even came on the market, and she sometimes says outrageous things like "oh, I remember King Eärendur's wife liked this cookie recipe" and the servants and guests at tea cannot help but share a Look because that was 2160+ years ago, and does someone have to ask her if . . . if she knows what sex is?

In a pseudo medieval society it is the queen's duty to bear an heir, but like, she was raised an elf. Can we pressure her like we do our own kind into having grandbabies ASAP, or will she turn us into frogs? It's possible there are women who go through their entire reproductive years in between when Arwen has these kids. If Eldarion is her first then gossip in Minas Tirith for those twenty years must have been insane, waiting for an heir. Do elves even breed like we do? Did Beren and Lúthien spawn Dior Eluchíl in a pond? Did Tuor have to carry Eärendil like a seahorse? Do we have to catch a stork in the cabbage patch? Is Aragorn gonna have to lay eggs? What's the hold up?

#gondor #arwen #aragorn #dunedain #elrond #arnor #eldarion #minas tirith #tolkien-approved headcanon but wildly inappropriate

[thekingofwinterblog]

Tolkien's crowns.

You know something that really annoys me about the Tolkien movie adaptions?

Crowns.

Like a lot of things Jackson did, he basically crafted something completely new out of the bare bones we get from some descriptions, for better or worse, but the Crowns are another matter, because not only did Tolkien give very clear descriptions, and even drew the two most notable ones(the crowns of the dwarves and gondor)that appeared over the course of Lotr and the Hobbit, both had very, very clear cut meanings and symbolism behind them, that tied them to their real life origins.

The crowns of the dwarves of Erebor and Moria look like someone took their helmets and filed down the sides so only the skeleton remained, to varying degrees of success.

But you know what tolkien used?

In the books, Tolkien's dwarves uses crowns speciffically modeled after the crown of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.

Why?

Well if you know anything about said empire, and the actual inspiration for Tolkien's dwarves, the picture is a bit clearer.

See Tolkien specifically modeled his dwarfs, their history of losing a homeland, desire for a new one, and their proud, industrious culture of craftsmen and skills of making money on a mixture between the Norse mythical dwarves, and the Jews in the long centuries after the Romans kicked them out of their original homeland.

Now with this in mind, Tolkien choosing to model the Dwarves crown on the Austrian one is him specifficaly choosing a real, Germanic crown as the inspiration... As well as a nod to the fact that the Austria-Hungarian empire was legendary for his time(The time Tolkien grew up in) as a progressive haven for jews, probably the best in Europe.

An empire, that was also destroyed by fires of war, just Moria and Erebor.

In other words, there is so much symbolism here that is completely and totally stripped away by the helmet crowns the movies gave them.

Hell, even the original hobbit animated movie got this right, while Jackson did not, as they basically just made the crown the austrian one, just a bit more exagerated.

Meanwhile, there is the crown of gondor, which completely missed absolutely everything tolkien tried to do with the Gondor crown.

It's a crown that fits perfectly with the rest of the city, this is truly a crown of the Gondor that the movies portrayed.

Meanwhile, Tolkiens Winged silver crown... Does not.

Even within the context of the fact that the books gondor is an early medieval(as it does not have plate armor at all) styled kingdom in terms of armor and clothing design, the crown does NOT fit in the slightest.

And that's the point.

The original crown of Gondor was a simple war Helm of the day that Elendil wore, and the later one that Aragorn wore was a more fancy replica of that helmet.

It is outdated by thousands of years, a relic of an elder time that was long lost even when Gondor's lost it's Kings in the first place. It's not supposed to fit in.

Also the fact that Elendil wore this, and it was considered just fine, tells us a lot about Gondor's fashion and style of arms during the closing days of the second age.

However, then we get into the deeper meaning behind the crown and where it was inspired from.

Gondor's winged crown was very deliberately inspired and based on the crowns of ancienct egypt, which was one of the main inspirations for Gondor and(to a lesser extent) arnor.

Just like Egyot there were two kingdom, an upper and a lower one, though in middle earth it was instead called the northern and southern ones.

Just like egypt, Gondor's entire socity and political and economic strength was based around their massive river that ran through the realm.

Just like Egypt, one of the biggest problems the gondorian elites had was their obsession with grand mousoleums and graves for their elites, focusing far more on the dead rather than their living children, and wasting who knows how much coin, manpower, energy and resources on such rather than just burying them in thr ground.

Basically the same problem egypt had building stupidly expensive superstructures for their dead in the form of pyramids, rather than something actually useful.

Then there is the fact that just like how lower and upper egypt combined their regalia together(as in they fused the two crowns into one, bigger one), Aragorn very deliberately made the royal regalia of the reunited Kingship BOTH his ancient and out of place winged crown, and the Silver scepter of Annuminas, the royal symbol of Arnor, combining the two of them together into one office.

#j r r tolkien #tolkien's legendarium #peter jackson #lord of the rings #the hobbit #crowns #meta #austria hungary #egypt #symbolism #gondor #arnor #khazad dum

[softlysilverfountainsfall]

All I'm saying is that "the hands of the king are the hands of a healer" can't have come out of nowhere, and I bet it goes back to Elros Tar-Minyatur and Numenor because there's no reason for Elros not to be a healer too, and the idea/phrase just traveled all the way down to Arnor and Gondor through the Third Age.

#elros was a healer too agenda #elros #elros tar minyatur #numenor #arnor #gondor #kings of gondor #kings of armor #the hands of the king are the hands of a healer #aragorn #elrond #peredhel #themes and legacies #softlysilver

[arofili]

lord of the rings ladies week day four | women of the south | ellanel meldatári | @lotrladiessource

Ellanel was the daughter of Evrindil, daughter of Elessar and Undómiel. She was dear to her uncle King Eldarion, and when he advancing in years had no children of his own, he named her his heir in the tradition of Númenor. Thus upon his deathbed, Eldarion surrendered the scepter to his niece, and she was named Ellanel Meldatári, First Ruling Queen of the Dúnedain in Middle-earth and Third High Monarch of the Reunited Kingdom. In her first years as Queen, she faced an attempted coup in the form of the Cult of the Dark Tree, but with the aid of her younger brothers Prince Tondir the Just and Prince Malfinor the Wise, she subdued the rebellion and prevented the rise of a New Shadow like unto the one vanquished by her grandfather King Elessar. Queen Meldatári ruled wisely and justly for nearly a century, much beloved by her people, and traveled far and wide, treating with her neighbors in their own lands and strengthening many alliances that would hold for generations after her reign.

[Ellanel is a Sindarin name altered from Ellonel, a rejected name for Arwen. Strictly it translates as “elf-daughter,” but I’ve chosen to interpret it as a compound of elda (“elf”) and aranel, meaning alternately “elf king” (as in Dior Aranel) and “princess” (as in Emerwen Aranel), which would give the translation “elf princess.” Meldatári is a Quenya name meaning “beloved queen.”]

#lotrladiesweek #lotrladiessource #tolkienedit #oneringnet #lotredit #lotr #lord of the rings #arwen's daughters #(well. granddaughter.) #gondor #arnor #reunited kingdom #oc ellanel #ellanel meldatari #my edit #lotr oc #tefain nin #my writing #edit writing #model: bruna catarina

[ettelenethelien]

People complaining that hobbits having potatoes is inaccurate because that's not an European food will never stop being funny to me, because not only do things in Middle-Earth not need to work exactly like they do irl, but also: the people of Gondor and Arnor did discover this world's version of the Americas -- they just quickly turned away in disgust that it's more normal, boring, mortal lands and that, by implication, Valinor and Númenor are truly gone.

#my post #tolkien #peoples of arda #gondor #arnor #númenor #númenoreans #lotr #silm

[velvet4510]

If you say no, tell me why not!

(I am aware I misspelled; I meant primogeniture)

#lotr #jrr tolkien #lotr books #lord of the rings #lotr poll #aragorn #lotr aragorn #king elessar #aragorn elessar #gondor #numenor #second age #third age #fourth age #arnor #numenoreans #tolkien legendarium #lotr appendices #the silmarillion #akallabeth

[warrioreowynofrohan]

Favourite Chapter of The Lord of the Rings - Poll 7 of 8

The winners of previous rounds are:

The Fellowship of the Ring: “Strider” and “The Council of Elrond”

The Two Towers: “Treebeard” and “The Window on the West”

The Return of the King: “The Battle of the Pelennor Fields” and “The Steward and the King”

Now, a round for the appendices and other supplementary material!

#tolkien #the lord of the rings #appendices #arnor #gondor #rohan #rohirrim #dwarves #hobbits

[geekashgaming]

My Rhudaur/Angmar 400pt force

#warhammer community #warhammer miniatures #big gay #tabletop #Rhudaur #arnor #witch king of angmar #Angmar #middle earth miniatures #middle earth strategy battle game #lotr #lotr sbg

[theworldsoftolkein]

Evendim

#tolkien legendarium #middle earth #the lord of the rings #tolkien #the silmarillion #the fellowship of the ring #the two towers #the return of the king #arthedain #evendim #nenuial #elendil #arnor #dunedain

[skylessnights]

GALADRIEL OF LOTHLORIEN and BELATHORN OF ARNOR

Galadriel does not dare speak much of the second age for her heart still aches at the mere memory of it. She not only lost many of her kin to the darkness of Sauron’s forces but she also lost something more valuable than anything she had ever owned — love. 

When the Elves and Men of the West formed an alliance in response to the growing threat of the Dark Lord Sauron, Galadriel came across a sharp-witted lady named Belathorn, who was a Dunedain noble from the Northern Kingdom of Arnor. Though Galadriel had been praised by many for her incomparable beauty, she deemed the foreign lady as the most beautiful being she had ever laid eyes upon. And soon, they grew closer in each other’s company, finding solace in their dream of a world without corruption and their ambition for strength to defend their loved ones. 

However, Belathorn was not like other woman from the west, for she bore a sword and planned on fighting alongside her kin in the war that was to come (even to the discontent of her strong-willed father). Belathorn rid out in secret to many battles and hid her armour and sword in Galadriel’s quarters when they returned victorious. But one night while the armies of Elves and Men were engaged in an array with Sauron’s forces, Galadriel foresaw Belathorn’s death. Nonetheless it was too late to warn her, and so she knelt on her knees for three days and nights praying for her safe return. However, on the fourth day the army returned with fewer men than they had left with. She looked for Belathorn amongst the weary but she was nowhere to be found. 

Galadriel still held hope that she could be missing on the battlefield and ordered a few elves to search the area for her missing companion. But when they returned her heart sunk with grieve for in their hands were Belathorn’s sword, stained red with dry blood and on the hilt the silver necklace that Galadriel had given her for protection. 

Many marked this era as the year the light of Lorien dimed, for Galadriel’s skin grew paler as the days grew colder. She rarely spoke to anyone and did not step outside her quarters unless Gil-galad, the High King of Noldor, had summoned her to his court.

#galadriel #lord of the rings #rings of power #lady of light #lothlorien #dunedain #elves #men of the west #lotr #lotr aesthetic #litedit #galadrieledit #lotredit #fantasy aesthetic #galadriel x oc #belathorn #arnor #gondor #elves aesthetic #bookedit #literature #tolkienedit #j.r.r. tolkien #pocedit #poc fantasy #just a little idea I had in my head :)) #hope you like it ^^ #post not appearing in the tags

[cat-in-a-frogsuit]

“Kings made tombs more splendid than houses of the living, and counted old names in the rolls of their descent dearer than the names of sons. Childless lords sat in aged halls musing on heraldry; in secret chambers withered men compounded strong elixirs, or in high cold towers asked questions of the stars. And the last king of the line of Anárion had no heir.”

“For so we reckon Men in our lore, calling them the High, or Men of the West, which were Númenóreans; and the Middle Peoples, Men of the Twilight, such as are the Rohirrim and their kin that dwell still far in the North; and the Wild, the Men of Darkness.”

Ugh. So re-reading LOTR as an adult, passages like these really piss me off. How dare you rank people like that? Effing Númenórean supremacy.

In this viewpoint, the failing of the line of Anárion is not tragic, because the arrogance of the Gondorian Kings is deplorable. It is portrayed as tragic that Eärnur went and died horrifically without prioritizing to preserve the oh so important Númenórean BLOODLINE.

The bloodline that gives the Gondorians and Arnorians the right to govern “lesser” men. The right to give the fields of Calenardhon to their allies, the Rohirrim, without care for the “Wild Men” who already live there.

And that Faramir just subscribes to this hierarchization makes me angry and takes a lot away from my appreciation of him.

What became of “for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine for your own profit as you desired” when applied to the Númenóreans, Tolkien?

#lotr negativity #Faramir #numenor #Gondor #Arnor

[arnor-creations]

pour @hemerasmoon

#rhona mitra #rhona mitra avatars #arnor

[softlysilverfountainsfall]

Arvedui's death by drowning in Forochel is actually very unfair because he follows all the Tolkien Fantasy Rules(TM) and then dies because, nope! This time, real-life rules applied!

Arvedui, king of Arthedain (part of Arnor), was a Man, and he listened to the elves, which is generally a good idea in Tolkien's world! What's more, he listened to Cirdan('s people), which is literally always a good idea in Tolkien's world except for this one time.

Yes, the Lossoth locals warn him about sailing in such dangerous, icy conditions, but these are Cirdan's highly experienced elven mariners on elven ships who, after all, arrived here safely. And Arvedui is urgently needed back with his people to fight the Witch-king of (quite literally at this point) Angmar.

But no! Fantasy rules are out for five minutes and real-life rules are in, and Arvedui drowns (along other people and two palantiri), the last king of Arthedain.

#arvedui's kind of a jerk because of the whole #claiming to rule gondor because he married firiel thing #like why can't she rule it? or what's wrong with co-monarchs? #but I still think his death is unfair #lotr appendices #lotr #lord of the rings #the silmarillion #tolkien #arvedui #arthedain #arnor #lossoth #forochel #cirdan #softlysilver #palantir

[fluffyzu13]

So I've been thinking. How do you stay canon but not kill Tar-Miriel?

The Silmarillion is supposed to be 'The History of Middle Earth as written by Elves.' It's not 100% accurate/unbiased.

The Silmarillion say that Miriel was the lawful heir. Pharazon was her 1st cousin and became king.

He married her gave her the name Ar-Zimpharael.

NOTABLY, this was against NUMENOREAN law.

BUT, when discussing Maeglin and Idril the prohibition between 1st cousins marrying is specifically amongst Elves. (i.e. elves see marrying you cousin as a weird/incomprehensible human thing).

Pharazon was/is married because he's got a son. (Specifically keeping in mind LotR ideas of marriage, etc. Anyone born out of wedlock is explicitly identified)

What if it's just a misunderstanding? Tolkien was all about mythology, right? The way stories change over time?

So Tar-Miriel is crowned but, knowing how the people feel, agrees to be co-rulers with Pharazon. Think Romulus and Remus or any of the other examples in mythological history.

Pharazon's wife (not Miriel) is named Zimpharael. She supports him until the end and dies trying to repent.

Meanwhile, the Faithful wash up on Middle Earth and tell the elves what happened.

Numenoreans: "So Miriel was the heir, right? But Pharazon had all the support so they agreed they should rule together. Pharazon named his wife Ar-Zimpharael when she became queen. She repented at the end and we saw her trying to climb to the temple but she died."

Elves: "Huh. Pharazon became king so he must have married the heir, Miriel, even though it was illegal. He gave her a reginal name Ar-Zimpharael. She drowned during the Fall of Numenor....It's so weird that you humans still marry your cousins but ok. Cool."

Meanwhile, Miriel and Elendil are happily married and establishing Arnor, completely oblivious to the fact some random elf scribe completely fucked up...

#miriel #tar miriel #elendil #Arnor #the silmarillion #rings of power #lord of the rings #elendil x miriel

[ettelenethelien]

I really like to think there is some debate among scholars on whether Tol Fuin is part of the Reunited Kingdom on a technicality, since its Kings are straight-line descendants of the last Lords of Dorthonion.

...

The opinion of His Highness King Elessar on the subject: It would, you know, make about as much sense for me to say we're still the Lords of Andunie.

The opinion of Her Highness the King's youngest daughter: That would actually be immeasurably cool and dad is a spoilsport.

The opinion of any given random inhabitant of Middle-Earth: I mean Gondor-and-Arnor is welcome to it; no one lives there for a reason, but if they want a barren wasteland with a feel altogether too similar to Mordor on sentimental grounds, who am I to stop them?

#no but actually I want a view on that debate because while absolutely pointless this raises a few interesting issues #what happens to a liegeman re: his liegedom if the liegelords are all dead and gone? #but then as it turns out the new royal family might also be the closest relatives those liegelords have on middle-earth #aragorn is king but from a very feudal point of view shouldn't Arwen's status compared to him be higher? both of them qre descended from #liegemen and liegelords but Arwen is related to more lords and closer #is Gondor even feudal enough to be interested? #my post #tolkien #Silmarillion #lotr #gondor #arnor #the fourth age #aragorn #Dorthonion #Tol Fuin #peoples of arda #aragorn and arwen's daughters #ok #Eireniel

[velvet4510]

#glorfindel #witch king of angmar #the witch king of angmar #lotr #jrr tolkien #lotr books #lord of the rings #nazgul #ringwraiths #black rider #tolkien elves #prophecy #tolkien legendarium #third age #lotr theories #lotr poll #lotr appendices #arnor