#anti anti shipping

[moonlightdancer26]

Honestly, anti shippers calling ships “illegal” will never not be funny to me. Like.. oh no! Call the fictional police! That real fictional minor is in real fictional danger!

#so embarrassing #💀 #anti antis #anti anti shipping #anti anti #proship friendly #proshipper safe #proshipper #proship positivity #proshipping #pro shipping #proship #proshippers please interact

[clownfessionsofficial]

I pro on her ship til she deactivates

#proship please interact #proshippers please interact #pro ship safe #anti anti safe #anti anti shipping #anti antis please interact

[ljf613]

1, 9, and 10 for Encanto :)

1. the character everyone gets wrong Not a specific character, per se, but I think people tend to misunderstand what's really happening in "We Don't Talk About Bruno"-- and, by extension, how the Madrigals (and the rest of the Encanto) actually feel about Bruno. At face value, the song claims that nobody talks about Bruno because he's creepy and weird and bad luck they all kind of hate him. Which may make a little bit of sense if all we were shown was that one song... but when you actually look at the whole movie, it doesn't add up. If we'd rather pretend Bruno doesn't exist, why is he being painted into brand-new murals featuring a nephew he's never met? Why are we even going into a whole long rant about how much we don't like him instead of hushing it all up? Why would he be the one consulted when Mirabel didn't get a gift? Why does Julieta tell Mirabel that Bruno "lost his way in this family"? Why does Abuela argue that "Bruno didn't care about this family"? And why is everyone so quick to welcome him back at the end-- not to mention absolutely ecstatic about his return? Because the real reason they're all so upset is not because of Bruno's gift-- it's because he left. They're angry and hurt that he would pick up and disappear without a word of explanation. They feel betrayed. And they also feel guilty, because deep down they think that their displeasement with his prophecies might have driven him away. And those aren't pleasant feelings. They're painful and messy and extremely uncomfortable. It's just so much easier for everyone to tell themselves that they're better off without him. To think about all the reasons they shouldn't want him around. To say that they don't need to blame themselves because Bruno was the one who was always in the wrong. To focus on all the little wounds and resentments of the past rather than on the gaping hole that's been left in their lives. Because the truth is that they all love Bruno just as much as he loves them. (I also think a lot of people fundamentally misunderstand Mirabel's motivations and character arc, but that's a rant for another time.)

9. worst part of canon I don't like the way that, right in the middle of the story, Dolores is suddenly treated like a blabbermouth who doesn't know how to keep her mouth shut. This makes no sense. We know that Dolores can keep a secret-- not only did she manage to hide her crush from everyone, she also knew exactly where Bruno was for ten years without ever telling anyone. Not to mention that she can literally hear everything going on in the entire town, which means she probably knows lots of secrets that she's kept to herself.

10. worst part of fanon People who include DNIs in their fanfics. (Especially when they do it in the tags. Those are supposed to be used to explain what the actual story is about! They're there to help the readers!) Imagine trying to police who can and can't read your publicly posted stories because you don't agree with what ships they like.

Send me an ask that may incite violence.

#encanto #thoughts #ask me stuff #choose violence #bruno madrigal #we don't talk about bruno #dolores madrigal #anti anti shipping #i have seen some truly awful ships in plenty of the fandoms i've written for #and i'm not going to read fics for them but what do i care if those fic writers want to enjoy MY stories #they're not going to contaminate me by reading words i wrote #thanks for the ask! #all queued up

[androgynousblackbox]

Shout out to that one ask blog about the Avengers being kids and living together on the tower for teaching me what non binary was when nobody else did. Tiny baby Loki and kid Thor not answering if they are boys or girls forever marked me.

Shout out to the fanfics that taught me that queer people can be queer and happy, instead of killed or miserable, when dead or tragic were the only options I could see.

Shout out to the fanfics that told taught me how to view pansexuality as something normal and correct instead of a mistake or a fleeting thing like I thought it was.

Shout out to the fanfics that put into words feelings and thoughts I never considered before, and now can't imagine my life without them.

This is why transformative fandom matters and fuck you if you don't get it.

#fandom stuff #anti anti shipping #pro shipping #anti censorship

[xqueerneurosisx]

It’s funny, I call myself “pro exploring dark fiction,” but I’m not proship.. I have even tried to be. I’m just…. Not one lmao. However!

I do think it’s time to actually type and post this tho:

Antishippers aren’t actually helping anyone. Nobody is getting any justice from what y’all do. Nobody. Sucks to suck, but “pro shitters dni uwu/ I hate proshippers/ you’re a pedo for [whatever the reason of the week is here],” hasn’t helped one survivor and it never will. Be grossed out by whatever the fuck you wanna, but the time for pretending is over. You are not better than anyone else, morally or otherwise, for thinking some shit you made up about people you don’t know ~is icky ew ew gross uncomfy~

#shipcourse #pro ship #anti ship #anti anti shipping #proshitters dni #proship dni #antis dni #antiship dni #proship #antiship

[ladysansalannister]

I really had to read a tweet from my mutual in the year of our l-rd 2022 about how if Reylo were real and your 19 year old friend “fell in love with a guy twice her age on the other side of a war” you wouldnt’t support it so you shouldn’t ship it

#this woman is a LIBRARIAN and cannot tell the difference between real life and fiction apparently #also she knows i ship it and claimed to be a ship and let ship person and then just decided to shit on it out of nowhere lmfao #personal #anti reylo bs #anti shipping bs #anti anti shipping

[ashleyfableblack]

I will never understand why so many folkes are unwilling to simply ignore things they dislike or disagree with which are not harming or encouraging the harm of anyone.

This principle applies to everything. 💚🌈💜

#treating others with dignity #communication #respect #boundaries #discourse #fandom #shipping #anti anything #anti anti shipping

[scrabbleknight]

Just found out a person I followed was an antishipper. Thankfully, I don't remember who they are, so I easily and gladly unfollowed them without a hint of remorse. I also would never harass them because I'm not a pathetic bitch.

#no names #just sucks to be you i guess #proship #screw you antis for ruining everything #antis are dumb #pretty sure there are other antis i follow but i dont care enough to remember their names #anti anti shipping #ship and let ship

[tired-and-procrastinating]

I hope one day antis will learn how to read and interpret media, because damn, they just can’t lmao. 

#anti anti shipping #pro shipping #discourse

[candyrushsweetest]

˜”*°•.˜”*°• New Persona •°*”˜.•°*”˜

(っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ New Persona ♥

#persona #humanpersona #cute #cute art #chibi #anime art #anime #original #original art #digital art #digital illustration #digital painting #digital #digital aritst #digital drawing #proshipper #proshipping #proship #anti anti #anti anti shipping #antiantishipper #antianti #antiship

[moonlightdancer26]

Fun Fact:

Only consuming good and pure content does not make you a good and pure person, nor do your thoughts and preferences define your real-life morals.

#thank you and good night #it’s 10am here but who cares #anti antis #anti anti #proship #pro shipping #proship friendly #proshipper safe #proshipper #proship positivity #proshippers please interact #pro shipper #pro ship #anti anti shipping #anti antis please interact

[pro-sipper]

"i want more media with zero drama, no tension, and zero problematic characters and i am not joking"

Great! Here are my recommendations:

#proship #proshippers #pro ship #proshippers please interact #proship safe #proshipper #proshipping #sip rambles #anti anti #profic

[ljf613]

On Ships With Age Gaps

I've thought about writing a post like this for a long time, but I always decided against it because I don't feel the need to justify anything I say (or do, or enjoy, or ship, or write) to the good people of tumblr.

However, I do think that there are some people on here who, rather than being actively cruel or hateful towards certain shippers/writers, are just really confused or grossed out and don't understand why we people like these things and don't want to just assume that we're all degenerate freaks, and that maybe they might benefit from learning my story.

(Note that this is just my story. Other people may or may not have their own stories, which may or may not resemble mine-- the point is that these stories exist, and that just because you don't understand doesn't mean there isn't a reason.)

I was in middle school when I first realized that I had a (very normal) problem: I was attracted to guys, but boys my age were obnoxious. (Every heterosexual female reading this is nodding their head in sympathy.) Many of them made rude jokes, and said nasty things, and most of them were just generally immature and irresponsible and not-at-all crush-worthy.

Adult guys, on the other hand, were nice and sweet and smart and mature (*insert laughter here*). They knew how to be responsible, and how to treat girls right and take care of the people who mattered to them. They were ready to get married and settle down in a house with a white picket fence and 2.5 kids. (You get the idea. Give me a break, I was, like, eleven or twelve and most of the men in my life really were great guys in happy and stable marriages.)

So, like many other girls my age, I fantasized about attractive twenty-something-year-olds falling madly in love with me. (I can not hammer this home enough: this is perfectly normal behavior.)

But at the same time, I knew that this sort of relationship was obviously something I was not in any way ready for, and, in any case, I didn't actually know very many attractive single guys in this age range. (Because why would I?)

So, instead, like any normal kid, I gravitated toward stories I could live vicariously through. Stories about about girls my own age (or maybe a little older) who fell for guys who loved them back. Guys who were willing to wait for them. Or at the very least guys who treated them like equals, and, once they were old enough, might start seeing them in more of a romantic light.

The very first relationship like this that I remember falling for was Sesshomaru and Rin from Inuyasha.

(Actually, my first real adult/minor ship was probably Lux and Eric from Life Unexpected, but after that dumpster-fire of an ending, I didn't want to think about anything related to that show ever again.) (Although it did introduce me to One Tree Hill, which is still one of my favorite shows of all time, so I guess it did something right.) (And Nathan and Haley probably also fit the bill-- Nathan wasn't an adult, but he was mature and responsible and ready to settle down. TV really should bring back teen marriage plotlines instead of endless cycles of love triangles.)

I discovered anime in seventh grade, and Inuyasha was my second real anime. (In case you're wondering, Fairy Tail was my first.) I quickly fell in love with Rin (who was an example of what would become one of my favorite character archetypes), and her relationship with Sesshomaru fascinated me.

Here you had this demon who hated humans, only to be bewildered when one try to help him, leading him to use a part of his heritage that he'd been rejecting until now in order to save her. And then she just. Follows him. And he lets her? And he just spends the entire series treating her like an equal and letting her do literally whatever she wants?

(To those who read them as father and daughter: uh, if I saw a parent with this sort of laissez-faire approach to child-raising, I would be very concerned. He treats her like a traveling companion and constantly defers to her wishes. She gets kidnapped and he only comes to rescue her when he's sure that's what she wants? Very parental of him.)

And then when he's finally about to reach the goal he's been working towards this entire time, he gives it up the moment Rin gets hurt. ("Nothing was worth losing her?" ICONIQUE, nobody is doing it like him!) And then in the final battle, he fights alongside the same people he was trying to kill when we first met him. All because Rin has taught him that humans have worth, that weakness isn't a sin, that there are more important things than strength and hatred? Are you kidding me?

I've already gone into my love for this ship here, so I'm not going to repeat the whole thing, but I will say that I loved what we saw of them in the finale-- the two of them separated, so that Rin could grow up and decide what she wanted out of their relationship. Because he was willing to wait for whatever choice she decided to make.

This was a game changer for me. It was exactly what I hadn't realized I was looking for. I needed more. What followed was a love for various other wholesome bonds between protective/traumized men and the girls who taught them about love.

Naofumi and Raphtalia of Rising of the Shield Hero (talk about clueless guys-- he seriously managed to convince himself that he only saw her as daughter because he had no other frame of reference and had been so traumatized by the last girl he liked), Kyoko and Katsuya (dude was more than willing to wait for her and only stepped in when she needed him to be there for her? Find me another man this swoon-worthy) and Kureno and Arisa of Fruits Basket (I normally don't buy love-at-first-sight, but for these two cuties I'll suspend my disbelief), Zack and Rachel of Angels of Death (the age gap is the least problematic thing here), Mamoru and Haruka of Until Death Do Us Part (the man literally laughed the idea of their relationship off until he couldn't anymore. And then, again, he let her go and waited until she was ready), Satoru and Airi of Erased (the soulmatism!), Accelerator and Last Order of A Certain Magical Index (alright, fine, I've never been able to decide if I prefer these two to stay purely platonic or eventually fall in love, but whatever they have I adored), and many, many others.

But the thing here is that none of these relationships are the main focus of their respective series. I wasn't going out and actively looking for these ships, but when they showed up in the stories I loved I would certainly enjoy them. (Love stories were cute and all, but magic and adventure were way more interesting to middle-school me.)

It was only when I was in high school and I started getting more into romantic stories that began actively seeking out the sort of thing I was looking for. Seiji and Shiharu of Love So Life are still near and dear to my heart (my guy buys her a ring, tells her he'll never want anyone else, refuses to let her reciprocate, and doesn't go near her for almost six years to make sure that she doesn't choose him until she's really ready. KING), Mao and Hiro of House of the Sun will never stop being adorable (Taamo's drawing style is so stinkin' cute), The Start of Niina is as heartbreakingly lovely as ever (the gift and trauma of reincarnation!), and Faster Than a Kiss is a gem (another great guy who does his best to take care of the girl he loves but won't lay a hand on her until she's ready).

And it wasn't just age gap stories. Because the age gap wasn't the real point-- the point was mature guys who were ready to commit and smart girls who knew a good thing when they saw it. Which is why I also devoured stories about teens getting married (please bring these back, western media) and arranged marriages ("we may not have wanted this but we are going to make it work"). The World is Still Beautiful remains one of my favorite fantasy-romances, Absolute Peace Strategy is hilarious, I really need to reread Prince of Silk and Thorn, Dawn of the Arcana is fantastic, Taisho Maiden Fairytale is super-cute, etc. etc. (This is not an exhaustive list, btw-- feel free to DM me or drop an ask if you're looking for more in any of these genres.)

Once I discovered fandom, fanon, and shipping culture, it was a given that my love for these dynamics would cross over into media where such things weren't canon.

(And, for the nth time, all of this was perfectly normal and understandable behavior for a girl my age.)

These were stories and tropes I adored. But they were stories. Fiction. They were not reality. And even at the very earliest stages of this interest, I understood the difference.

When I was in seventh or eighth grade, there was an incident involving one of my female classmates and a twenty-something-year-old male student-teacher. I was not directly involved (I barely knew the girl) and I wasn't exactly asking for details (I've always prefered to stay out of real-world drama if I can), but middle school girls are loud and I have good ears, so I was pretty sure I got the gist. (Years later, I spoke with one of the other teachers who'd been involved with handling the aftermath, and she confirmed and added some more context.)

To simplify, the teacher in question had somehow gotten a hold of the girl's phone number and had been sending her texts that were not appropriate for a grown man to be sending to a thirteen year old girl. This made her highly uncomfortable, but she was too scared to say anything-- it wasn't as though there was anything explicit or overtly sexual (he told her how pretty she was, and how much he looked forward to seeing her every day, and I do not know or want to know what else)-- and she didn't want to look like she was make a big deal out of nothing. But when her friends found out, they immediately said "this is not okay," and marched her to the nearest female teacher to confess the whole thing. (Good for them!)

Again, I was not directly involved. I did not discuss the subject with any of my classmates, I was obviously not present when the school staff spoke with the guy, and I have no idea what exactly the school policy was for this sort of thing. All I saw from my end was a crying girl being comforted by her friends as they dragged her off, and within the next day or two we were told that this teacher would be ending his postion early (he'd been supposed to leave soon, regardless, as he was only a temp). I never saw him again.

And there was never a question in my mind that this man's behavior was deplorable, that this story should never have happened, and that this girl was a victim of a horrible injustice.

(I have a vivid recollection of being outraged when another teacher-- who happened to be related to him (probably how he'd gotten the job, I don't remember ever our school having had a student-teacher before or after)-- told us he was being forced to leave earlier than planned like we were supposed to be sad about it, and then insisted we make a good-bye card for him (while making snide comments under her breath about how some people needed to learn to keep their mouths shut). (I honestly don't remember whether or not I helped decorate the stupid thing, or what the girl did while this was happening.) I was not old enough or mature enough to fully realize that what this other teacher did was also hideously inappropriate and ought to have been reported as well, but I did know that it was nasty and underhanded and I didn't like it. (This was not the only time when this teacher behaved obnoxiously or passive-aggressively insulted a student for bringing a complaint to the school staff or doing something else she disliked (I was on the receiving end at least once or twice, but that's another story), and she did not return the next year. Good riddance.))

In any case, despite the fact that age gap stories (and even the occasional teacher-student romance) were something I liked seeing in media, I recognized the clear distinction between fiction and reality, and what was right and wrong. I didn't even need to think about it. Even at thirteen, when I didn't fully understand what was and wasn't appropriate behavior for a teacher, this was something I understood perfectly.

And to anyone reading this and saying, "alright, fine, so you liked age gap relationships as a kid because they let you vicariously live out your perfectly ordinary teenage fantasies, but you're not fifteen anymore. Isn't it time you moved on?":

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Y'all still read/watch the same stories you enjoyed as children-- that's why you're in these fandoms to begin with. If you can understand still loving those things as adults, it shouldn't be much of a leap to grasp me liking the same sort of fictional relationship dynamics I did in high school.

(Which isn't to say those are the only kind of ships I like. They never were. But I'll probably always have a soft spot for them.)

TL;DR: I initially got into age gap ships because they let preteen me fantasize about a hot older guy sweeping me off my feet. No, this did not prevent me from recognizing predatory behavior from real adults. No, I'm not letting go of the things I liked as a kid just because they make you uncomfortable.

#shipping #thoughts #real life #age difference #pro ship #anti anti shipping #anime #sessxrin #otp: nothing was worth losing her #tw harassment #and for the record if there's any sort of supernatural power that affects a character's aging #complaining about age differences in their relationships is ridiculous #there isn't even the excuse that 'fiction influences reality' or 'this will normalize problematic behavior' #because no real person is meeting any 500 year old vampires #are you seriously worried that some minor is going to meet a cyborg and think that it's a good idea to fall in love with them? #give me a break #and that's the tea #all queued up

[androgynousblackbox]

Unfuckingsurprisingly for everyone, despite the new Game of Throne show and how incestuous it is, fucking nobody has had the hot take that they need to cancel it because it “normalizes” incest. Not a single person has been harassed for just liking the show despite liking something that contains incest. Nobody has tried to especulate how the creators, writter or whatever must be shady people doing something awful behind the scene for making this show, at least not to the point of making youtube videos with a lot of views and encouraging people to especulate about it on the comments. Nobody out there talks about the show while making twenty “but i don’t condone the incest though!” disclaimer, because that is not even a expectation, that is not even a thought that people think it’s worth saying out loud when they talk about this show.  Meanwhile every day I can’t stop hearing about fanfic and fanartist being treated like shit because of one incest pairing they had, because that ABSOLUTELY does normalize incest and will make all your friends to fuck their parents. Mmmmm, FUCKING INTERESTING, ain’t it?

#incest mention #andro is venting #pro shipping #anti anti shipping

[nymph1e]

On Discomfort and Morality

My father finds gay men uncomfortable.

He's told me before that it's like a knee-jerk for him. Something he doesn't consciously control. He sees two men behaving romantically, and his body reacts with mild discomfort.

In the 1960s, when he was in high school, most of the boys in his form thought he was gay on the simple fact that he wasn't homophobic. He wouldn't participate in insulting queer people, he didn't care if someone was gay, he wouldn't have a problem hanging out with gay people. So people thought he was gay. That's how prevalent homophobia was in his formative years.

When I was 10, my dad told me very seriously that Holmes and Watson were gay. That it was obvious from the literature and the time period that they were meant to be a gay couple. When I was 14 and I came out to my parents as bi, when my mum was upset my dad ripped into her for it. Told her that she was being stupid, that it was my life to live how I wanted to and that she needed to get over herself.

My dad formed my views on censorship: that being that it was completely ridiculous and thoroughly evil. He didn't believe in censorship of any kind. If I asked him a question about sex, he answered it honestly. When I was 12 and I asked him about homosexuality, still young and uncertain, he told me that there was nothing wrong with it. That it was just how some people were. That there was likely an evolutionary reason for it. And that for some people it was uncomfortable on an instinctual level.

He taught me that just because you're uncomfortable with something, doesn't make it wrong. He also taught me that most people don't understand this.

I see a lot of this on the internet as of the last few years. The anti shipping movement, the terf movement, the anti ace movement. It all stems from discomfort that people have crossed wires into believing means wrong. Really every -ism and -phobia out there stems from this same fundamental aspect of humanity.

The next time you see something and you automatically think it's disgusting, or wrong, or immoral, I invite you to ask yourself: is this actually wrong or does this just make me uncomfortable?

#shipping discourse #anti censorship #anti terf #my mum isn't homophobic #she was upset because she thought it meant i couldnt have children or a family #and this is something important to her #she was also not upset around me but to my dad in private

[xqueerneurosisx]

Nobody needs to agree with you about what fictional fictional fictional fictional GADDAMN NOT! REAL! characters you personally think it’s gross to make fanart/fic of in order to use a gender or sexuality label. Grow the fuck up, and leave that shit on your fandom side blog. The LGBT+/Queer/MOGAI/[Your preferred term here] community is not a fucking fandom. Stop treating it like it is.

I literally do not give a fuck which whatever the hell ship thing you want to identify yourself as online, or which one you don’t want talking to you in the replies and shit. I’m just really fucking tired of you little imps thinking you can tell queer/Mogai/lgbt+ people how they can and cannot use their labels.

If you think ~coining~ a word- that you spliced with already existing words, or however else you come up with it, gives you any sort of right to tell anyone how to identify with that word, then you might as well fuck all the way off, and go mingle with the bigots! You’ll fit right in!!

#mogai discourse #mogai real #queer punk #queer word #queer discourse #lgbt+ discourse #fandom discourse #pro shipping #anti shipping #anti anti shipping #pro fiction #antiship