#anti shipping

[pilvimarja]

About to make myself a cup of tea and read a whole master thesis on the culture of anti-shipping in fandom spaces 🫖🧐👀

#anti shipping #pro shipping #fandom #discourse #I've wanted to read a proper study on the topic for a while now because the phenomenon is as fascinating as it is infuriating

[the-final-sif]

"Antis' foundation is the belief that fiction affects reality, in that any problematic behaviors or topics in media, fictitious or not, will cause people to normalize those behaviors, resulting in people (specifically minors) thinking that such actions are acceptable in real life. This is a common argument used by conservative groups to enact queer censorship, who argue that children who see LGBTQIA+ characters in television or books will "turn gay" (Bollinger 2019), so the sanitization of all adult fan spaces is therefore required to protect minors who could potentially encounter problematic sexual content (BrazyDay 2019)....

Antis attempt to glorify their ideology by rebranding it as antipedophilia and anti-incest, but it is actually a loose ideology of disinformation, virtue signaling, and legitimate abuse. Similar to the QAnon cult phenomena, which began in 2017, anti dogma is designed to promote paranoia and play off people's fears and emotions to spread disinformation. They band together to perform this function, forming what might be called a cult, a term that has been defined as a group having a "great devotion to a…movement". However, what truly marks a cult is the control attempted over behavior and thought. Participants in anti circles perpetuate a climate of fear, shame, and trauma in fan spaces. The most common targets of such abuse are women, people of color, teens, abuse survivors, and members of the LGBTQIA+ community. Fans who are already marginalized are further deprived of safety, anonymity, outlets for growth, self-expression, and relationships. It is therefore vital that we closely monitor hate speech in fan spaces and study these behaviors. Our failure to do so may open doors for bigotry, violence, and disinformation."

From The cult structure of the American anti which was a fascinating read and genuinely worth going through if you're in fannish spaces.

#sif speaks #fandom culture #anti shipping #antis #cult mention #I was going through the journal to help someone and found this which I think was lovely

[profictionoverhaul]

Anti-shippers DNIs are so stupid.

You don't want to talk to yourself? YOU'RE THE HATEFUL ASS PERSON DUDE!!! Telling people to die IS hateful!!!!

#pro ship blog #pro ship safe #anti anti #pro shipping #anti antis #proship #discourse #anti censorship #pro fiction #anti shipping #tw death wish #i guess?

[fuckofffanpol]

A List of Problematic™ Things

(All Takes I Have Actually Seen)

• Childhood Friends to Lovers?  Practically Incest! • Two characters share the same (extremely distant) ancestor?  Literally incest!  Bad and wrong! • Platonic familial affection and intimacy?  Suspicious. • “Sworn Brothers”?  You guessed it!  Incest.

• Height/size difference?  Suspicious. • Two 17 year olds?  You should have just made them adults. • But also aging up characters is Not Allowed. • 30+ year old with a much older character?  Ew, age gap! • Puppy crushes?  Illegal.

• Enemies to Lovers is Abuse, • and you should never redeem or sympathize with Villains/Abusers/The Bad People.

• Monsterfuckers?  Zoophilia.  Or necrophilia, if it’s vampires or whatever.  The point is you’re wrong.  And bad.  >:(

“Wow what can they read?  Only the fluffiest Coffeeshop/Soulmate/HC?”

• Coffeeshop AUs?  Romanticizes workplace harassment.  And gentrification. • Soulmate AUs?  Amatonormative.  Supports predetermination. • Hurt/comfort?  Why would you want to hurt the characters?  Freak.

Also:

• Straight ships are heteronormative. • But queer ships are fetishizing. • It’s very simple!

And even:

• You need the original media creator’s consent to write fanfic.  Anne Rice was Valid, actually!

#fanpol #anti shipping #yes i have seen ppl argue for all of these at one point or another #add your own! #i know there's more

[minniiaa]

multishipping.

first of all, shout out to all the people sitting back and sipping their tea as they enjoy art and fanfics of their favorite character just being loved by their other favorite characters. legitimately no reason that enjoying one ship means you have to hate another.

it's become so common for people to say shit like 'you ship zosan, there's no way you can ship zolu!' (using one piece bc it's my main fandom but we can even use FF7 as an older example. ' you can't ship cloud and aerith because you ship cloud and tifa!!!!')

bitch why not? give a good reason that’s not just ‘its weird’ or ‘it’s wrong’ I’m waiting.

do you hate spaghetti when you eat it with alfredo sauce instead of marinara sauce? no, you still like the pasta. sure you might like alfredo better but it doesn't mean you don't still love marinara. both are good and enjoyable and you want to eat them.

just because your favorite fruit is apples doesn't mean you don't like oranges too. it's not that fucking deep people. these are fictional characters. people are allowed to like multiple pairings when they can see the beauty in both. just let people enjoy shit for fuck's sake.

#shipping #anti shipping #multishipping #ships #fanfiction #fanart #fanfics #ao3 #shippers #the pasta analogy was fucking brilliant and i am proud of it #i give myself credit where it is due #one piece #bc that fandom plagues my mind with multishipping #zolu #lulaw #zosan #all 3 my fave ships involving the same chars #fanfic

[dax-enfinity]

i hate that ship where you have to give the characters a complete 180 for them to even work on paper, and then you don’t even recognize those characters anymore because the shippers just make the ship the characters only existing trait.

#anti shipping #notp #this is just a rant for all the ships that i hate sm that’s to explain all these tags lmaoo #this is why i didn’t tag any fandom tags and stuff since the fandom puritans could then pull up and attack me seriously #anti dickbabs #dickbabs anti #antidickbabs #anti steddie #anti stsg #anti satosugu #anti soukoku #anti solangelo #solangelo anti #anti shinkami #anti shin soukoku #anti gojohime #anti gjhm #anti klance #anti billdip #anti harringrove #anti skk #anti monokendo #anti batjokes #anti bakudeku #anti bkdk #anti byler #anti golddy #anti ticciwork #anti jeffjane #anti janejeff

[pelman]

Please reblog for more exposure! Also, this isn't an offer to start debates in my replies or reblogs. Express your opinions as loudly and perhaps violently as you'd like, but just to yourselves, not at one another. If you try to start an argument, regardless of what side you're on, I'm blocking you. This is just to gather Tumblr's general opinion.

Anyone on either side of the debate can interact with this post, given that this is a neutral space.

#proshipping #antishipping #proship vs antiship #shipping discourse #poll #tumblr poll #opinion poll #tumblr polls #opinion polls #to clarify my stance i think all ships have the right to exist even if i dont like them #i am not a proshipper and i definitely dont support all types of shipping but #i do believe 'problematic' ships can exist and be fine to ship in specific contexts #if youre not a survivor and you ship problematic stuff i dont trust you though. especially ships with minors. #then again i dont trust any minor/adult shipper or people who focus too much on the intimacy of minors #anti proship #anti shipping #hopefully adding those extra tags evens it out a littke #i feel like theres a bias here

[leeleebee]

Sibling coded, child coded, selfcest?! Morality police are working over time. I have some thoughts XD

Sibling coded

Ok. So two completely unrelated people who are close in one way are also close in another way. This is like saying you can’t be best friends with your partner(s)? Or can’t have grown up with someone and then be in a relationship with them? Childhood sweethearts? No? What is happening here someone explain what the issue is.

Child coded

I almost don’t even want to get into how ridiculous and ableist this is… but I sure will! You are telling me people who are childlike in some way, physically, emotionally, intellectually cannot have desires or be sexual or engage in romantic relationships? The “coded” part of this means we aren’t talking actual children here, we are talking adult people. So what is really happening here is people (antis I guess) being uncomfortable with folks with certain perceived traits (again, adults) being sexual/romantic/autonomous and living adult lives. It’s weird. Stop it.

Selfcest

Oh my god. Oh. My god. How is this a thing. Our reality does not have human clones or alternate universe/timelines intermingling. There is no way this is even a thing to get up in arms about. It isn’t setting an example or normalizing or whatever the hang up is with other fictional relationships. But if that time comes boy howdy. I still won’t care.

#fandom wank #fandom #anti shipping #child coded #sibling coded #selfcest #it feels so ridiculous to tag those XD #fandom discourse #😐

[radqueer-repellant]

Proship: Just block the tags and move on!

Also proship: *Makes new terms to circumvent tags every week*

Also proship: *Actively looks for antiship tags to harass people*

#antiship #anti proship #anti shipping #anti ship

[themoralgoats]

Every proshipper in the Moral orel fandom are disgusting 💞💙💕❤️💜 ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

#moral orel #anti shipping #anti ship #positivity #antiship #proship dni

[leportraitducadavre]

Alright, since I’ve received multiple asks about who I ship Sasuke with (or if I have a problem with specific ships), I’ll reiterate my posture regarding shipping culture:

I think it’s very poor, borderline shortsighted, to focus so incredibly much on the possibility of a character –that never specified being sexually interested in anyone, having a romantic partner. Besides the fact that Sasuke is a very traumatized man, a survivor of state-sanctioned genocide which affects his libido to the point of it being non-existent, the entirety of his characterization revolves around him seeking justice for his family. No. It’s not about his bond with Naruto, it’s not about his apparent sexual tension with Karin, nor is it about his crush (the fuck?) on Sakura. 

It’s Naruto the one whose characterization revolves around his bond with Sasuke, it’s Karin the one whose characterization revolves around her sexual desire for Sasuke, and it’s Sakura the one whose characterization revolves around her crush on Sasuke –Sasuke’s entire arc differs completely from theirs, as his entire goal, through the entire series, is about seeking justice for his family. 

What happens once Sasuke realizes he won’t be able to kill Itachi if he stays in Konoha? He leaves because he chooses his goal as an Avenger before his connection with Team 7 (yes, Itachi’s presence also reminded him of the imminent threat of having bonds that Itachi could easily destroy, but he doesn’t leave to protect T7, but to seek power to kill his brother). What happens once Sasuke kills Itachi? He learns about the truth behind the UCM, and decides to barge into the Kage Summit to kill Danzo and not return to Konoha. What happens once he kills Danzö? He still decides not to return and plans to bring the entire system down. I mean, where is his “bond with Naruto” in all this? Where is his “sexual tension” with Karin in all of this? Where is Sakura’s relevance in all of this? At no single moment does he focus on these bonds, often questioning the reason why these people are so adamant about pursuing him. Am I saying that they don’t matter at all to him? No, and you know that’s not the point of the post unless you’re looking for a reason to get upset in which case, I cannot help you. What I’m saying is that they’re not relevant to his main goal or characterization, as that power rests upon Itachi’s shoulders. Each character here mentioned has either more or less importance throughout his journey, but none of them are detrimental to his objective and none of them are important enough for him throughout the manga to deviate from his ambition (he even tried to kill each one of them when he deemed them a liability or they threatened the continuation of his mission).

Who do I ship Sasuke with? Nobody, I don’t enjoy a single pairing that is attributed to him, and I wish the fandom would realize that the entire plot revolves around the actions and consequences of a fascist regime, and not about who wanted to secretly or not so secretly fuck who, or who deserve his dick and who doesn’t. Yes, I’m being blunt, and some of you will think I’m exaggerating, but if you don’t see me talking about ships as often as you see me speaking about feminism or politics inside the Naruto manga, well, what a shocker, there’s a reason for it.

And to prevent people from putting words in my mouth, let me say this: I’m not saying you can’t enjoy a ship –go crazy if that’s what you want, do art, fanfics, and whatever rocks your boat, I won’t go after you trust me, but oh my god how come some of you would give a “potential romantic couple” so much more relevance than the actual plot?! Sasuke plainly and continuously reminds the characters and the readers what his true goal is and what he wants, and still, some of you will force a deep reading of a bubble of speech detached from his overall characterization to prove that he was smitten with x,y,z all along!

#personal #sasuke #sasuke uchiha #pro sasuke #pro sasuke uchiha #anti shipping culture #anti shipping #anti sns #anti sasunarusasu #anti ss #anti sasusaku #anti sk #anti sasukarin #anti sns fandom #anti ss fandom #anti sasusaku fandom

[fdq666roadie-blog]

#proship #proshipping #proshipper #anti anti #fanpol #antiship #antishipper #anti shipping

[neko-uchiha]

Sasuke having parallels with Hindu Gods (Yes I am starting a whole series coz why not)

(i) Shiva

-Both have the ability to set a person on eternal fire just by looking at them and the said ability awakens when they are feeling extreme emotions (wrath)

Both are associated with snakes. Its a part of their symbolism

Both are associated with crescent moon (uchihas in general are represented with crescent moon except Itachi)

Some bonus points

-Both are depicted with color blue or its shades

-Both have wild dark hair and dark eyes

-They have righteous anger and their wrath brings destruction

-Both of them represent destruction and chaos

-Generally calm and have an inherent gentleness within their heart

-Combination of extremes

- SASUKE WAS BORN DURING SAAWAN(A holy month dedicated to shiva)

-Shiva consumed the lethal poison,halahala, to save the universe and we know sasuke is also poison resistant

There are many other which I am not remembering right now

(I hope some shipper does not see this post and tries to find some parallel between their fav and Goddess Shakti because there are none🤡)

#pro sasuke uchiha #pro sasuke #lord shiva #naruto fandom #naruto manga #naruto #pro uchiha sasuke #anti shipping

[the-cat-and-the-birdie]

I don't think a lot of people realize that purity culture often leads directly to racism IRL.

You think explicit graphic violent fics should be censored from AO3? Okay, understandable. But by that logic -

Do you think explicit graphic rap music should be banned from the radio?

Do you think Black people who listen to violent rap music are inherently more violent?

And that the art form is a reflection of them and their behaviors?

Do you think Black people who don't listen to rap music are more stable and deserving of trust than black people who do?

The same way you think people who don't read a certain type of fanfiction are more stable and deserving of trust?

How far does it go?

I listen to rap music that talks about guns, dealing drugs, killing, and gangs.

All my life I've been told that listening to that either 1) reflects a 'true nature' of hidden internal violence or 2) graphic rap music is actively hurting me and should not be played around children.

I grew up with FOX news telling us that rap music should be banned. For being too graphic, too violent, too vulgar.

There are places in the world were black music is restricted and censored for it's vulgarity - drill rappers have been under police surveillance in the past, given court orders that monitor the production and release of their music.

Is that okay? Is that right?

Should this form of black expression not exist? Does it reflect badly on the people who listen to it? Should it be censored, from radios and apps - or even outlawed?

Someone reads and writes graphic, violent, vulgar fanfiction - and you judge them.

I listen to graphic, violent, vulgar rap music - so does everyone else in my neighborhood.

What do you think of us?

Purity culture has been weapon against marginalized communities since the dawn of time.

This isn't a declaration of side, or a show of support on anything. This is not an attack.

This is an invitation and an opportunity for you to reflect on how your views translate to the world IRL.

#i have a longer post about this in the works #but the question must be asked first and foremost #this is not an attack on anyone or a declaration of side #it is a call for you to analyze your views and how they translate to the world #I'm not proshipper either because I do draw lines and if racists get harrased for their racist fics I don't care at all #shipping #antiship #anti shipping #proshipper safe #proship #proshipping #purity culture #fandom meta #fandom #fanfic #fanfic writing #this is a genuine question and issue I feel is often overlooked

[ihhfhonao3]

Shippers, I need help! (And read it all before you block or something puh LEASE I need as many opinions as possible)

So I ship stuff, right. Average shipper. I like shipping characters.

However, I have some limits for myself. I’m never gonna ship characters who are related, I’m never gonna ship someone under 18 with someone over 18, I’m never gonna ship someone with anything that can’t consent. Because I find all of that gross, and I have opinions on people who ship that stuff that I keep to myself. But those opinions are there. So I call myself antiship.

However, many antishippers are pro censorship, and actively seek out proshippers to harass them and “expose them,” literally ruining opportunities for them. I am against all forms of censorship completely, with no exceptions. So some people call me proship.

I’m confused, because I don’t ship these things personally and I avoid them, and have multiple tags and users blocked for my own safety. But I’m finding that I don’t agree with many of the values of my fellows.

So what would I be? Some people call me proship, others say antiship, some people say peaceship? What would it be?

#ships #shipping #shipping culture #anti ship #anti shipping #antiship #antishipper #antishipping #proship #pro ship #proshipping #proshipper #comship #com ship #comshipping #anti censorship #ship and let ship #anti harassment #peaceshipping

[minniiaa]

Sorry if this seems repetitive but I haven't been active on social media in yearsss

Is it true that there's a lot of lawlu hate on tiktok and Twitter? I'm so confused because there used to be so much love for the ship back in 2017/2018 from my perspective (Amino era).

The short answer: yes and no. Let me start by saying I'm not the best person to answer this since I purely consume on twitter. I made my personal twitter in 2007 like it's everyone I've ever known irl and has nothing to do with shipping or hobbies and I follow approx 0 accounts related to anime, manga, or lawlu. I just looked up lawlu a few times and browsed and suddenly it's my whole fucking timeline and there’s no going back and now I have a lawlu twitter (This makes me very happy).

So if anyone else has an opinion on this that is more in the community, please feel free to comment away. Otherwise, below are my observations.

First off, there IS a ton of love for the ship. Most of what I see is beautiful art (they got the nsfw ayo), memes, fanfics, and headcanons just like tumblr. There are tons of comments of people swooning over these posts, Lawlu IS one of the most popular OP ships after all.

There's just a vocal minority that are very against the concept of shipping and in that subset there are those who are very against Lawlu. There people out there that will literally list accounts to block that ship lawlu or write lawlu DNI in their bios. The same can be said for other ships, it's not just this one it’s any they deem a ‘pro ship’ (problematic ship) and Lawlu is generally considered one of these. Below as is an example:

The biggest issues I’ve seen with Lawlu are the following 1. luffy is aroace and cant be shipped period 2. law groomed luffy and the age gap is gross. IMO I think most of these people are just infantilizing Luffy as some goofy autistic kid that doesn't know what love and sex are when in reality he's very self-aware and happy does not equal stupid. Also he's 19 he’s not underage. He met Law twice when he was 17, one of which was saving his life as a doctor and Luffy was unconscious most of this time. Let's not forget Luffy's a war criminal kicking the asses of people 4x his age in a pirate world, age doesn't really work the same as irl.

BUTTT Not that any of this matters because you can ship whoever the fuck you what because guess what? It's ~fiction~. I could rant about how people can ship whatever the hell they want all day but I'll save my breath for now. (my opinion of course)

Also there are just mentally ill people who enjoy telling others to kys if you like something they like do. Lawlu shippers are just their chosen target demographic. Creators get foul messages in their inboxes, rude comments, just general hater behavior. Twitter is just a firey cesspool and all fandoms have 'fans' who do nothing but hate. We live in an age of negativity where being a hater is the cool thing to do.

HOWEVER, I see more people posting about why those people are wrong and stupid than the actual negative tweets but maybe that's because I actually support the ship and the algorithm sees that. Not sure how twitter works, nor do I want to know about that dumpster fire there's a reason I came over to tumblr.

As for tiktok, I don't really consume a lot of tiktok so I can't speak on it besides seeing cosplayers and cute animations/art. I'll leave that to the tiktok people to look into.

For argument's sake, I went through the lawlu tag and picked some lovely tweets to share with you so you can see the toxicity for yourself. Sadly only 10 images per post but I think you get the point. Thanks for the ask hope this was informative. :)

#Lawlu #anti shipping #shipping #asks