#vs: king thor

[blindtaleteller]

Question about medical care in Asgard… I'm talking about a case of Odinsleep/coma. How different do you think caring for a person in a coma would be on Asgard than on Midgard?

Gonna assume you're asking about the MCU as I answer this! 💚

With a Coma/Odinsleep .. Probably not too terribly different in act for the most part IF it's being treated like a regular coma; but incredibly different in aesthetic, and well.. it does get a little more iffy when you're talking about 'Odinsleep' in particular, even with what little we do know from what's shown and said about it on screen which I say by means of examples given, both canon and deleted from it.

Some things definitely do change if you take deleted scenes from Thor 2011 into account in particular though: as one of the things they removed entirely from existence in the cutting room in that movie, was something called 'healing stones.' They actually had two portions of scenes that they shot (one in the hospital after Jane ran him over, and one just prior to the final portion of the fight with the 'Destroyer' in New Mexico.) I'll slap them in here if I can find them out of my giant clips playlist of doom.

Sticking with just the canon though; and specifically with the regular coma treatment first? The first thing you have to take into account is that there are lots of different kinds of comas, and that even Earth-tech wise, some of them are going to be treated a little differently (short, long term, caused by external injury, caused by internal injury, trauma induced are a thing too.)

That said, the first thing we have on display as far as Asgard's medical goes, is something that unsurprisingly is a repeated major portion of their basic lore in the MCU: that they aren't gods; they're an elder race who have been themselves reaching into the cosmos for eons of generations even stretching back to at least near enough to the beginning of their universe well established enough then, to take note of the fact that the Infinity Stones made at the birth of that universe, were not made by either them, or by the other elder races like the Dark Elves, or the even older Tivan brothers: with single generations lasting as long as five thousand years.

Related to that is also the fact that they by the time in their universal timeline we do catch up with them: they are very clearly a warmongering/imperial colonialist society. Even before and likely during them, Odin made a generation of wars horrible enough to be called 'The Great Wars' among the lot that he and apparently Hela (who was clearly full grown --meaning she was anywhere between 20ish and 1000 years herself-- even in her mural depictions,) to spread his version of 'peace' through the removal of what other species he percieved as threats and competition (see Muspelheim, Jotunheim) going so far as to make certain they couldn't rebuild even their capitals.

Why is that important in this conversation? Because that also means including Bor and Asgard's previous generation five thousand years prior to 2013's invasion of the elves; they had been dealing with injury, illness and more among their own resulting from those battles: and yes during those thousands of years of conflict between Bor's crusade, and Odin's: they had lots and lots of extra time to improve both their tech, and any magic along those lines.

Which yes are actually two very different things, though from the looks of it are often interconnected in Asgardian society in particular, unlike on Earth; where medical technology is foremost, and sorcery/magic has been forced basically into hiding by centuries of the many different flavors (both in religion base and name) of Inquisitions on Earth over the course of over a millennia by the time the twenty tens roll around. We also know that they do posses some limited means through technology, of suppressing some magic; but whether or not Asgard in particular has evolved their understanding of sorcery in particular to do so on a magical level is questionable at best given what we've seen between the first two films alone.

Given the blatantly similar societal distaste for most non-combative magic, and even a good portion of combative magic for that matter that's pretty likely not the case: even Thor refers to his mother's skills and knowledge as "tricks." However, that doesn't seem to apply where the "Healer's Hall" inhabitants and actual healers are involved.

Most obvious example of technological vs magic, and those limitations I mentioned above that we have is a pair of scenes in TDW: the Soul Forge in the Healer's Hall vs. Loki's full-room illusions.

Soul Forge (aka Quantum Field Generator:)

This is also, one of the scenes that continues to show rather than tell, the MCU established facts of their advancement.. and their arrogance around it when dealing with what Asgardians otherwise clearly still consider 'lesser' races under their protection. Quite a contrast to Loki's interactions with Selvig and Barton delivering those two a great deal more dignity and trust in A1 too, while they're building the portal device ...but that's a whole other set of attached social observations and comparisons I'm not gonna get into here. The point of this one is: if there's magic there; they're making it very clear there isn't much of it, and doubling down on that whole 'not gods, only mistaken for them' far more interesting take, on which MCU Asgard was built since the very first movie. (again though, it also displays their arrogance in that direction, as Eir not only treats Jane's inquiry very dismissively; but gets flustered and gap-mouthed [literally] when she positively identifies the diagnostic technology being used. It also is one of the many displays of how differing etymology between cultures in the MCU [yes there are a few, including the Dr. Strange film as another major example of that in particular] is a purposely crafted thing.)

ANYWAY!

Compare that technological, with the feats of sorcery Loki manages in that same film. Not only does he not use tech to manage his magic/sorcery (or 'tricks' as Thor calls it lol).. but he does so behind the locked door of, that same level of technology, in his own prison cell.. and beyond it. While some of the deleted scenes show this too? The final cut certainly wasn't lacking either.

So, all that said..? And without dipping into the whole discarded-from-canon 'Healing Stone' facet: it's very likely with a normal (or normal-ish lol) coma, that it wouldn't really be that different: just easier to some extent and probably a lot faster to correct any issues with those caused by injury in particular.

However! And most important:

Odinsleep, is something else entirely.

From the first film, we know through dialogue that not only is 'Odinsleep' not a normal coma by any means: it's one that can, has, and with the way they talk about it: SHOULD be induced every so often in order to maintain his health.

Where do we get that and why do I say 'his' in particular?

Because..

1. It is called Odinsleep, which says outright that in the MCU either Odin is a common enough name among Asgardian elder generations to be named as such OR, that it's a practice that belongs solely to Odin in particular.

2. The conversation between Loki and Frigga tell us as much, in their conversation over Odin's bed. (PS I couldn't find the full clip immediately, so I am posting the full uncut scene [with deleted parts] instead. The part that I've marked it to (timestamp 1:06 in the video below if that doesn't work for you) is what you need to listen to most, and was part of the final cut in Thor 2011.

Though the way they cut and rearranged this scene has some of that conversation out of sequence, the information given about Odinsleep remains the same in the much shorter canon conversation.

Their conversation tells the viewer outright, that not only is that a thing he does regularly, but that it can be planned out and planned for: as they make a point of stating that it's only this time, the Odinsleep was unprepared for.. and, they have seen it enough for Loki's first words to be stating the fact he 'never gets used to seeing him like this' .. meaning? He has seen it enough times that he thinks he probably should be: but also that it's upsetting enough an experience to him, that he isn't.

You'll note that they also briefly discuss the fact that Odin had been putting the Odinsleep off. It was coming anyway and regardless .. and should have happened far sooner.

While it's not technically counted as canon on screen, there's a little more information given directly about Odinsleep in the parts cut out too, if you choose to observe and use them: as well as a more direct showing of what we already know even without that scene of how Frigga chooses to pass the throne to the only heir not currently being guilty of and banished for several counts of treason including restarting the war and disobeying the king in that bed, with Thor's invasion of Jotunheim landing him firmly on Earth with the very obviously earned traitor title.

I'll leave it up to you if you want to watch and or use any of that, and you definitely could; since it's -again- just dialogue telling the viewer what's already known simply by watching the other scenes around it in the canon cut, including and especially the throne room scene where Sif & the Warriors Three request Thor's return, regardless of not only knowing he was banished for treason.. but also having been the others to try to remind and convince him alongside Loki; to NOT commit that treason, prior to him doing it and dragging them along anyway.

All in all, through those scenes; we are given a very clear set of rules and information about Odinsleep either way. Which includes the fact that it can be a form of coma that probably should not be randomly interrupted or the subject brought out of it, where it's apparently necessary for the individual's overall health: but can also be a state in which they might spend the last of their lives.

In that, this also tells us that; there isn't a whole lot that even Asgard's greater technology, or even magic can or should do, to bring someone out of it at all.

And, from the way they do deal with their King going through it even by surprise: we know that there isn't much they can do at all beyond keeping him comfortable and as healthy as possible until the Odinsleep finishes it's course naturally... whether that results in the subject waking up, or possibly, dying.

There's no mention of anyone else going through Odinsleep.. but there's also no mention of whether or not anyone else HASN'T, either.

Either way, that scene alone does show and tell a lot more about Asgard's medical capabilities and some of their limitations too, even as a society that's been at war since before Moses (lol but true, especially counting Odin's dad before him fought the elves for what Odin himself identified as 'Eternities of bloodshed' that didn't end until almost 5k years prior,) even, when cut down to the re-arranged version put down in the film's final cut.

Ultimately, and that said?

I don't think caring for a person in Odinsleep would be different from what we see on screen.

A whole lot of trying to keep them comfortable, undisturbed, and healthy; while wondering and worrying when and especially -if- they'll even wake up.

--Post Script, and a more direct personal example: Incidentally, and if you're curious: I have written Loki as having gone through his own "Odinsleep" in twenty thirteen, in Book Two (Vestibule 1, Universe 8) of my Lokiverse project: GROUNDED. Yes, that underlined bit is both the title and a link directly to where that long fic is posted on AO3, if you're curious how I handled it there. I suggest reading the chapters leading into that segment to understand how that portion of their multiverse got there, but if you want to skip a bit, the Odinsleep sequence itself starts in Chapter Four and ends in chapter Five, and is ultimately among the last of events before a time skip all the way into Civil War's era. It's not the only time the muses use it, but it is currently the only instance I have published.

#Odin #Odinsleep #Asgardian Lore #technology vs magic #medical #medical limitations #the very odd king-coma #Loki #Frigga #Thor 2011 #GROUNDED #Lokiverse references #Vestibule 1 : Universe 8 #post script fic link #MCU #there is the non-canon confirmed bit where: Odin likely konked out on those steps on purpose to avoid further questioning #while it's not technically canon? #I do definitely think that part is HIGHLY and incredibly likely

[hinasho]

Smthg I really really love is how Ryan Coogler mixes art and violence. I cant speak too much of recent marvel movies as I’ve fallen off quite a bit. But of the ones I’ve seen, most of them portray action and fight scenes as just that, action and fight scenes. Most if not all of the artistic expression is done through color scheme, setting, superpower special effects or etc. but watching Wakanda Forever, RC reminded me that movement and action itself can be beautiful.

The Talokans introduction is them defending their territory, not through elaborate espionage from the shadows or by an explosive dash onto the US ship. But by song. Beautiful soft melodious song that, without having to lift a finger, lured swarms of enemies overboard simply bc of how enchanting it was. Another scene, Shuri, with the help of one of the Dora Milaje (I believe Ayo but I’m not certain) swinging along the side of the ship in a move reminiscent of elegant trapeze artists.

Like so much in the movie was just gorgeous and the fact that RC expresses beauty in every corner of it was wonderful to see.

#black panther: wakanda forever #wakanda forever #wakanda forever spoilers // #black panther spoilers // #babbles #man I love BP movies #bc they’re always about MORE #sp*derman is cool bc he’s sp*derman and is unfortunately forever stuck in this Peter Pan like narrative #where his movies are CONSTANTLY about coming of age #even Thor r*ag while really really good was about thor as a person finding himself #(haven’t seen love + t sorry) #but Black panther 1 was about MORE than t’challa and was about communal tensions between #american black people vs black people in/from predominantly black countries #and BP2 was addressing the difficult-but-extremely-necessary-to-achieve solidarity between communities of color #while ALSO portraying the various ways ppl grieve thru Raymonda thru Shuri thru Nakia thru Namor #Ramonda**** #with the tropes such as shuri’s coming of age or t’challa trying to figure out what kind of king he wants to be being layered on TOP #of these more complex themes #sorry sorry I’ve gotten so far from talking abt RC’s depiction of art + violence lol but I just really love these movies

[comicwaren]

This week on Marvel Comics (11th May 2022):

Captain America: Symbol of Truth #001

Hulk Vs. Thor: Banner of War Alpha #001

King Conan Vol. 2 #004

Moon Knight: Black, White & Blood #001

Shang-Chi Vol. 2 #012

Star Wars: The Halcyon Legacy #003

X-Men Vol. 6 #011

#captain america: symbol of truth #hulk vs. thor: banner of war alpha #king conan #moon knight: black white & blood #shang-chi #star wars: the halcyon legacy #x-men #this week #marvel #star wars #comics #marvel comics #star wars comics

[marv93vv]

Thor, Mighty Thor & King Valkyrie Vs Gorr - Epic Fight Scene | Marvel St...

#youtube #Thor Mighty Thor & King Valkyrie Vs Gorr - Epic Fight Scene | Marvel St...

[time-is-restored]

do you guys every think abt death vs immortality as a thoroughline in like. literally all of the mechs albums.

old king cole is explicitly warped by immortality (never to forgive he would eternal live, his hands dyed red by gore - can be read a few ways depending on where u place the emphasis, but at the very least communicates that his wrath is facilitated By his immortality), and the olympians commit attrocities in order to hold onto their wealth and the immortality that it grants them (murdering arachne, yanking heracles' chain the second he tries to go freelance, having a monopoly on the acheron etc). the value they put on immortality and living forever, and the fear they have of ever possibly losing it, has completely warped their morals and priorities.

and while it comes up less in tbi, there's still significant emphasis placed on how odin has been in power for a century (both thor + the narrator bring it up, and there's also an emphasis on how long ago the bifrost project was started, and how 'no one left living' can explain its science). her villain monologue in rangarok iv places the extinction of asgard as an honour - a ruin that no one can possibly rebuild from is called 'apotheosis'. and as she says at the end, the idea that no one can possibly outlive her is a key draw for odin. asgard dies with her.

in hnoc, the only really immortal character is brian (and we only really know that bc of knowledge we get from outside the album), but the axis of life and death as a privilege vs a curse is still very present. 'mordred's gift to Arthur could be love in his own eyes / fating him alone to keep the life to which he clings', not only posits that the gift of survival isn't inherently good + kind (which the audience would immediately recognise as love, not possibly love), but places emphasis on the fact that arthur is now utterly alone. the station's death at the hands of mordred is hardly a happy one ('Its people damned, doomed by a man who's lost all his regrets'), but arthur's fate is arguably worse. severed from the finality and closure of death, what does he become? [insert that one cool theory abt hnoc arthur becoming old king cole here]

it's like. on a meta level, the reason we as fans don't put much emphasis on the depravity + cruelty of the mechs is bc the people portraying the mechs are all charismatic + skilled performers. in live gigs they're all portraying the fun side of their characters - roasting each other, bantering with the audience, making fun of the characters they're singing about, referencing off-screen violence - bc if they portrayed their lore too literally they'd be comitting felonies LMAOOO

but narratively, its like. literally every album is a meditation on the ways that the glorification of immortality can ruin civilisations - can ruin galaxies. whether its rooted in the fear of you specifically dying, or of being outlived, or overpowered or forgotten, or if its done for the sake of someone else's survival... it's all corrosive. if u refuse to accept the indisputable impermanence of life, you lose the ability to value it, and u numb urself to the reality of just how fucked up it is to cut another person's life short for any reason.

like. i do think some of the mechs started as good people, and some of them even might still have ethical standards, but i REALLY cannot stop thinking about how fucking. fascinating it is that this group of immortals who are KNOWN for basically considering nothing but how fun and/or violent any given activity will be, have basically filled their entire discography with songs about how their continued existence is corrosive and brings tragedy + ruin wherever they go.

so how self-aware are they? do you think those old morals + ethics still linger in their mind, when they're writing down these tragedies? they willingly self identify as liars + thieves + bastards, etc etc, and they seem to have no trouble identifying the 'bad guys' in the various albums (ie: humanising snow + cinders + rose, but not king cole), but do those concepts actually mean anything emotionally, or even theoretically, for them all beyond their dramatic potential? do they remember their lives before they were mechanised as it actually happened, or do they remember it as lyrics to a song? is it possible to be entirely self aware abt ur own capacity for violence (as jonny in paticular claims to be), if you no longer relate to violence as anything other than a narrative device - a means to an end, whether comedic or dramatic?

#the mechanisms #mechanisms #mechs #its not even that i have a specific passion for super grimdark mechs characterisation #just from a thematic perspective it is SO interesting to have these characters #narrating tragedies who themselves dance in and out of narrative conventions + signifiers of good + evil #and also like. literally transform themSELVES into narratives via backstory fiction + songs #its all so like. was there ever a truth here? if its all been forgotten + replaced with stories? can any of them care about good and evil #anymore on a level beyond how it will make an audience react? #idk. i care them #mine #my writing

[sersi]

Valkyrie, King of New Asgard vs. Gorr the God Butcher Thor: Love and Thunder (2022) dir. Taika Waititi

#marveledit #filmedit #tthompsonedit #mcufam #marveldaily #elysia makes stuff #**elysia's gifs #valkyrie #gorr #thor: love and thunder #flashing gif cw #**elysiaedits

[rainbowstargazerlilies]

Mechs Ships Tournament Master Post!

I'll be editing this as time goes on, so stay tuned!

TRANSPORT SHIPS BRACKET

Round 1:

Poll 1: Völuspá vs Lunar Cannon -- Winner: Lunar Cannon

Poll 2: Sky Train vs Tim's Death Ship -- Winner: Tim's Death Ship

Poll 3: SS Anderson vs Octokittens -- Winner: Octokitten

Poll 4: Fort Galfridian vs Muffet Spider-Class Fighter -- Winner: Fort Galfridian

Poll 5: Silvana vs Pandora -- Winner: Silvana

Poll 6: Moon Kaiser Life Pod vs Rose Red Behemoth -- Winner: Moon Kaiser Life Pod

Poll 7: Arthur's Life Pod vs Exploration Vessel Nalfgar -- Winner: Arthur's Life Pod

Round 2:

Poll 1: Gunpowder Tim Edition-- Lunar Cannon vs Tim's Death Ship -- Winner: Tim's Death Ship

Poll 2: Octokitten vs Fort Galfridian -- Winner-- Octokitten

Poll 3: Silvana vs Moon Kaiser Life Pod vs Arthur's Life Pod-- Arthur's Life Pod

SEMIFINAL:

Poll 1: Tim's Death Ship vs Octokitten vs Arthur's Life Pod -- Winner: Octokittens

Odette vs Aurora vs the Ratatosk Express -- Winner: Aurora

Final:

Aurora vs Octokittens

Runners Up:

Runner Up Poll

WINNER: AURORA

RELATIONSHIPS BRACKET:

Preliminary:

Poll 1: Brian/TS vs Brian/King Cole vs Mechs Fic Author/Angst Winner: Mechs Fic Author/Angst

Poll 2: Marquis De All The Knives/Gunpowder Tim vs Drumbot Beta/Drumbot Brian vs Marius/Ken vs Ariadne/Scheherazade Winner: Marquis/Tim

Poll 3: TS/Mechs QPR vs Bertie/Jonny/Tim vs Aurora/TARDIS (Dr Who) Winner: Bertie/Jonny/Tim

Poll 4: Marius/Tim vs Tim/Happiness vs King Cole/Jonah Magnus (TMA) Winner: Tim/Happiness

Poll 5: Drumbot Brian/Ivy vs Aurora/Nastya/Raphaella vs Ivy/Brain Cell Winner: Aurora/Nastya/Raphaella

Poll 6: Briar Rose/Cinders vs Apollo/Drumbot Brian vs Lyfrassir Edda/Martin (TMA) Winner: Briar/Cinders

Poll 7: Narcissus/Orpheus QPR vs Ashes/Ulysses vs Thor/Vengeance Winner: Narcissus/Orpheus QPR

Poll 8: Ashes/Brian/Tim vs King Cole/Moon Kaiser vs Lyfrassir Edda/A Nap vs Thor/Baldur QPR Winner: Lyf/Nap

Poll 9: Athena/Raphaella vs Lyf/Lif and Lifthrasir (Original Norse Myth) vs Briar/Jonny Winner: Athena/Raphaella

Poll 10: Brian/Ivy/Tim vs Ianthe/Iphis vs Lyfrassir Edda/A Break Winner: Lyf/A Break

Poll 11: Ashes/Brian/Ivy/Tim vs Penelope/Ulysses vs Heracles/Therapy/Anger Management Winner: Penelope/Ulysses

Poll 12: Ivy/Jonny vs Artemis/Actea/Lyssa vs Odin/Crawling Chaos Winner: Odin/Crawling Chaos

Poll 13: Raphaella/Victoria Frankenstein vs Train/YogSothoth vs Marquis De All The Knives/Knives vs Ivy/Raphaella/Sasha (TMA) Winner: Marquis/Knives

Poll 14: Carmilla/Raphaella vs Tim/Moon vs Elias (TMA)/Lyfrassir Edda vs Annabel (DONA)/Carmilla Winner: Tim/Moon

Poll 15: Aurora/Brian/Ivy vs Ashes/Brian/Nastya vs Jack Spratt/Jonny Winner: Jack/Jonny

Poll 16: Stranger and Partner from Stranger vs Brian/Galahad/Jonny vs Odin/Dr. Carmilla/Raphaella/Victoria Frankenstein TIE

Poll 17: Lyf/Yog Sothoth vs Jonny/Violence vs Ashes/Lyf vs Carmilla/William Afton (FNAF) Winner: Jonny/Violence

Poll 18: Ivy/Nastya vs bertie/the moon kaiser/queen (band)/queen george the 7th/the queen of hearts/queen elizabeth the second/queen elizabeth the onest/brian vs Fra’nika (Dames and Dragons/Legendlark)/Ivy Winner: Ivy/Nastya

Poll 19: Briar/Cinders/Red Hood vs Jonny/Narrative Flow vs Carlos (WTNV)/Raphaella (QPR) Winner: Jonny/Narrative Flow

Round One (finished 12/14)

Poll 1: Polymechs vs Mechs Fic Author/Angst Winner-- Polymechs

Poll 2: Tim/Narrative Flow vs Annabelle (TMA)/Carmilla/Odin Winner-- Tim/Narrative Flow

Poll 3: Marquis De All The Knives/Gunpowder Tim vs Nastya/Aurora Winner-- Nastya/Aurora

Poll 4: Aurora/Brian QPR vs Brian/Nastya QPR Winner-- Aurora/Brian QPR

Poll 5: Bertie/Jonny/Tim vs Ariadne/Power Winner-- Bertie/Jonny/Tim

Poll 6: Violinspector vs Tim/Happiness Winner-- Violinspector

Poll 7: Jonny/Tim/TS vs Siegfried/Odette Winner-- Siegfried/Odette

Poll 8: Loki/Sigyn vs Aurora/Nastya/Raphaella Winner-- Loki/Sigyn

Poll 9: Odin/Train vs DTTM Moons Winner-- Odin/Train

Poll 10: The Pendragons (Arthur/Gwen/Lancelot) vs Briar/Cinders Winner-- Pendragons

Poll 11: Ivy/Raphaella vs Narcissus/Orpheus QPR Winner-- Ivy/Raphaella

Poll 12: Lyf/Nap vs Hearteyes (Tim/Jonny) Winner-- Hearteyes

Poll 13: Athena/Raphaella vs Carmilla/Odin Winner-- Carmilla/Odin

Poll 14: Lyf/A Break vs Tim/Bertie Winner-- Tim/Bertie

Poll 15: Penelope/Ulysses vs Prison Mechs And Lyf Winner-- Prison Mechs And Lyf

Poll 16: Ashes/Tim vs Odin/Crawling Chaos Winner-- Ashes/Tim

Poll 17: Brian/Jonny/Tim vs Polymechs And Lyf Winner-- Polymechs And Lyf

Poll 18: Voluspa/Pandora vs Marquis De All The Knives/Dr Pilchard Winner-- Dr Knives

Poll 19: Cinders/Rose vs Prison Mechs Winner-- Cinders/Rose

Poll 20: Brian/Jonny vs Marquis De All the Knives/Knives Winner-- Brian/Jonny

Poll 21: Ivy/Tim vs Tim/Moon Winner-- Ivy/Tim

Poll 22: Marius/Raphaella vs Arachne/Scheherazade Winner-- Marius/Raphaella

Poll 23: Jack Spratt/Jonny vs Ashes/Jonny Winner-- Ashes/Jonny

Poll 24: Briar/Pandora vs Ivy/Nastya/Raphaella Winner-- Ivy/Nastya/Raphaella

Poll 25: Brian/Tim vs Jonny/Violence Winner-- Brian/Tim

Poll 26: Mordred/The Sun vs Jonny/TS Winner-- Jonny/TS

Poll 27: Ivy/Nastya vs Brian/Lyf (QPR) Winner-- Ivy/Nastya

Poll 28: Jonny/Raphaella vs Annabelle (TMA)/Carmilla Winner-- Jonny/Raphaella

Poll 29: Jonny/Narrative Flow vs Brian/Galahad Winner-- Brian/Galahad

Poll 30: Void/Azathoth vs Raphaella/Walls Of Hell Winner-- Raphaella/Walls Of Hell

Poll 31: Ashes/Ivy vs Hatter/Hare Winner-- Hatter/Hare

Poll 32: Stranger/Partner vs Odin/Yog Sothoth vs Brian/Galahad/Jonny Winner-- Stranger/Partner

Round Two

Poll 1: Polymechs vs Tim/Narrative Flow -- Winner: Polymechs

Poll 2: Nastya/Aurora vs Aurora/Brian QPR-- Winner: Nastya/Aurora

Poll 3: Bertie/Jonny/Tim vs Violinspector -- Winner: Violinspector

Poll 4: Tragic Lesbians In Space Edition: Siegfried/Odette vs Loki/Sigyn -- Winner: Loki/Sigyn

Poll 5: Odin/Train vs HNOC Trio-- Winner: HNOC Trio

Poll 6: Ivy/Raphaella vs Jonny/Tim -- Winner: Ivy/Raphaella

Poll 7: Carmilla/Odin vs Tim/Bertie -- Winner: Tim/Bertie

Poll 8: Prison Mechs And Lyf vs Ashes/Tim -- Winner: Prison Mechs and Lyf

Poll 9: Polymechs And Lyf vs Marquis De All The Knives/Dr Pilchard -- Winner: Polymechs And Lyf

Poll 10: Cinders/Rose vs Brian/Jonny -- Winner: Cinders/Rose

Poll 11: Ivy/Tim vs Marius/Raphaella -- Winner: Marius/Raphaella

Poll 12: Ashes/Jonny vs Ivy/Nastya/Raphaella -- Winner: Ivy/Nastya/Raphaella

Poll 13: Brian/Tim vs Jonny/TS -- Winner: Brian/Tim

Poll 14: Ivy/Nastya vs Jonny/Raphaella -- Winner: Ivy/Nastya

Poll 15: Brian/Galahad vs Raphaella/Walls Of Hell -- Winner: Brian/Galahad

Poll 16: (Surprise All Tim/Brian Edition): Hatter/Hare vs Stranger Partner -- Winner: Hatter/Hare

ROUND 3!

Poll 1: Polymechs vs Nastya/Aurora Winner: Polymechs

Poll 2: Violinspector vs Loki/Sigyn Winner: Loki/Sigyn

Poll 3: HNOC Trio vs Ivy/Raphaella Winner: HNOC Trio

Poll 4: Tim/Bertie vs Prison Mechs and Lyf Winner (AFTER RUNOFF): Prison Mechs And Lyf

Poll 5: Polymechs And Lyf vs Cinders/Rose Winner: Polymechs and Lyf

Poll 6: Marius/Raphaella vs Ivy/Nastya/Raphaella Winner: Ivy/Nastya/Raphaella

Poll 7: Brian/Tim vs Ivy/Nastya Winner: Brian/Tim

Poll 8: Brian/Galahad vs Hatter/Hare Winner: Hatter/Hare

Round 4

Poll 1: Polymechs vs Loki/Sigyn WENT TO RUNOFFS, BOTH WON

Poll 2: HNOC Trio vs Prison Mechs and Lyf HNOC Trio

Poll 3: Polymechs And Lyf vs Ivy/Nastya/Raphaella Polymechs and Lyf

Poll 4: Brian/Tim vs Hatter/Hare WENT TO RUNOFFS, NONE WON

Round 5

Poll 1: Polymechs And Lyf vs Loki/Sigyn-- Polymechs won

Poll 2: Polymechs vs HNOC Trio-- HNOC trio won.

Resurrection Round

Part 1: Nastya/Aurora won

Part 2: Violinspector won.

FINAL ROUND

#mechs ships tournament #the mechs #the mechanisms #so many ships

[galaxythreads]

Something that really annoys the fuck out of me, is that it takes Thor and Hela being mistreated by Odin for people to believe that Loki was abused (and then, like that anon, "Loki doesn't have a right to resent poor abused Thor, bleh bleh"). Everyone kept insisting it was something "horny fangirls made up" for the longest time and that he was "crying fake tears" or being a "spoiled ungrateful brat".

I've seen too many people defend Odin's treatment of Loki. And it ignores the inherent power imbalance between a foundling from another realm that Odin pillaged and a biological son. Yet people insist Loki's just making shit up in Thor 1.

I think that there's been a lot more discussion over recent years about abuse so people are more aware of how to spot it which definitely helps, but regardless It is extremely irritating that it takes Hela and Thor also being victims before people are suddenly jumping on the train. i don't know. it's just weird. The way MCU is written leaves it very ambiguous about Loki and Thor's past because you CAN interpret it as Odin at best being distant, emotionally neglectful, their family a dysfunctional mess, and then go all the way to the other end of the spectrum where it's different types of abuse (emotional neglect IS still abuse) like emotional or physical. Not that one is worse than the other (it is not a competition. Abuse is never a competition. You don't "win" the fight if you got hit) it's just different.

I don't know. When I look at Thor 1, honestly I can see an argument for Odin struggling to reach out to his kids and him and Frigga just failing them instead of maliciously failing them. I once read an amazing fic where Odin finds Loki in the bifrost instead of Thor and he's beyond distressed that things got this point. I love reading these fics! I love the fics where Odin is trying to be a good father. I love him being able to repair his relationship and form a healthy bond with his kids. It's just... not really, canon?

I just think there's so many ways to look at what Odin and Frigga did, especially when it comes down to Loki, but one thing that irritates me the most is that these two defenses are thrown around ALL the time when it comes to Odin and Frigga being good parents to him and they're not even true:

1 - "we don't know that Loki was kidnapped vs abandoned. I know there's a part of the deleted script of Thor 1 where Laufey says Loki was the abandoned runt (or something to that effect), but it wasn't filmed and it was cut for a reason."

2 - "We don't know if Frigga and Odin made any effort into trying to change Asgard's views on Jotuns and they were unsuccessful, or if they just didn't care. We don't understand enough about Asgard's political system or educational system to say one way or the other."

3 - "Odin said that he didn't intend to use Loki to be the king of Jotunheim anymore."

And like okay! I've seen this argued so many times, but when you think about it more, you realize that it doesn't matter. Odin and Frigga had a responsibility to let Loki know Jotuns weren't monsters. They didn't. We know that. The first thing Loki describes Jotuns as is "monsters." he sees them as expendable animals that can be killed to stop Thor's coronation. in 95% of canon (I am looking at you eyeball scene), Loki doesn't kill for fun. He sees it as a necessity. So the fact that he looked at the Jotuns and didn't even think twice about leading them to their deaths just showcases how little he thinks about their lives.

The inherit "othering" of the Jotuns is a massive, massive racism problem that, even IF odin and frigga couldn't fix the educational system, they had a duty to explain to Loki that he wasn't a monster and to love himself for his true identity, even if they never intended to tell him. They failed him immensely in that regard.

And on the first thing - regardless of whether or not Loki was abandoned or kidnapped, Loki's first thought upon hearing that was not "i'm the prince of a different kingdom" it was "Odin took me for political purposes" and he was right.

And even IF odin was telling the truth and he dismissed those plans because he loved Loki more than his initial ambitions with him, why did he keep lying about it? And then we circle back to the second point:

look at me.

look at me.

Loki wasn't different. He wasn't. Loki as a Jotun wouldn't have been different from the Asgardians except visually and maybe some minor biological things, and that shouldn't have mattered. Because your visual appearance SHOULD NEVER be more important than who you are inside. The body is always a vessel for the brain.

Did they not tell him so he wouldn't have to face the racism? Because that's not a healthy way to deal with it and it was inevitable that he would learn eventually and they didn't prepare him to deal with that. They should have told him and then helped him build up his self-confidence to the point that MOST of the racist things wouldn't have bothered him, or he had someone to talk to when they did. If they gave Loki a support system for dealing with this rather than just trying to isolate it, Loki would have a much better viewpoint on himself.

anyway, sorry. my point with this long rant is that I believe loki. I believe when he said he was abused and hurt, regardless of whatever circles people can walk in that "justify" everything that Odin and Frigga did because at the end of the day Loki was still traumatized and hurt by what happened and he has the right to say that, heal, and move on. If Odin and Frigga want to change and repair their relationship with him into something healthy - amazing, good for them.

#loki #anon answered #odin's a+ parenting #odinfam #these guys are such a mess

[yellowocaballero]

mcu peter parker vs miguel o'hara is nepotism baby vs other much weirder nepotism baby

NO JOKE JAKLDSF

Yeah, I make fun of MCU Peter, but Miguel "I got scouted early and especially picked to advance quickly through the megacorp and recieved personal attention from the VP because I'm just that great" O'Hara is a) so much worse and b) so much more annoying about it. Bright side is Miguel steals Evil Corp from his dad and then proceeds to vindictively run it into the ground. Socialist king. Peter take notes.

I don't know why Miguel didn't go IMMEDIATELY to the tabloids with the "bastard son of Evil Corp VP tried to addict his son to drugs" story, but maybe Miguel prefers direct action and takes care of his problems himself (kill his dad). Miguel's story arc involves being a member of Evil Corp and trying to save lives, becomes a cult leader and has Marx forcibly dictated to him by Thor worshippers as he tries to escape yet another guy trying to smack him with a DCMA claim, and then engages in praxis by killing capitalists and neoliberals. Great character arc over the series where becomes better and also somehow a lot worse.

Anyway, I think in a time travel situation Peter would have a conspiracy theory that Miguel is an immortal vampire who is secretly using Tony's genetics laboratory to make everybody else into vampires (Miguel has red eyes and fangs in the comics, because he was made in 1994 and he is fantastic). In 2099 Mobius is the patron saint of several small Eastern European villages and the vast majority of Finland, so Miguel takes this as a compliment. He goes by Miguel Ojeda, because he hates all three of his parents.

I have actual legitimate theories for Miguel's appearance in ITSV but I think the funniest possibility is that Miguel involves himself in inter-dimension saving, but the minute a portal opens up back to 2099 (probably 2/3ds of the way through this fake movie or comic) he walks straight through and goes back home, leaving everybody else to do all the work. This happened in the comics. Everybody extends sympathy that he lives in a dystopia. He thinks everybody else lives in an unlivable hellpit because their universes contain libertarianism. And/or smartphones, much in the same way if I stepped inside a utopia without internet I would turn around and walk right out. Somebody tries to explain democracy to him, which he also finds statistically and scientifically inefficient. They should have Doom as a "president" like in 2099. He makes the trains run on time.

#my asks #yes doom became “president” in the comics and miguel wondered if he should be worried about this #before shrugging and going home #sm99 does have a lot of kinda lame soap opera plotlines like the secret villain dad thing #in sm99 fashion it was dumb and explained a lot and opened up some interesting plotlines #it is so weird about its soap opera plotlines #theres a love triangle with his fiance and exgf #who #can't stress enough #he cheated on his ex gf with his current fiance who was his brother's gf #because he SUCKS #except the author i think was like 'wait the exgf is a way better character' #and killed her off so he got together with the exgf kinda #like. its weird comic #both better and worse in theory #miguel o'hara #spider-man 2099 #miguel o hara

[uniiiquehecrt]

This is going to be in my Gagnarok Workshop and Critique series (which, I am still working on. My first draft glitched and didn't save on my compute. What was saved is unrecoverable, so I have to rewrite it 👌🥲), but it's worth noting that in every well paced film, the central conflict (also known as the Protagonist's want vs. need) is generally introduced within the first ten minutes, and then around the 17-18 minute mark of a 90m film, expanded upon with the central theme. This will always correspond with the push in to Act 2. This something I loving call "the Page 17 rule", since every minute of film roughly translates to a single page of a screenplay.

"the first act of pretty much any movie ends around page 17 of the screenplay, or about 17 minutes into the movie (give or take a minute" - toddpack.com

This is important to always nail down, because in doing this, the characters and the audience will get a scope of what this film is about, what the character is trying to learn, and USUALLY might get the central theme of a story told to them. By the time page 17 rolls around, they'll be ready to face the central conflict with the protagonist, who is thrust into a new world that embodies this want vs. need dilemma.

In Gagnarok the central theme is SUPPOSED to be "Asgard is not a place, it's a people" — or at least that's what the screenwriters and Taika thought they were going for. ... but not only do they not capitalize on this idea, (not to mention that it never made sense as a lesson to learn in the first place), but it doesn't even show up until AFTER the 17 minute mark.

It shows up (vaguely) at the 21:47 minute mark. ("Remember that. Home.") With the 17m mark being in the middle of the interlude with Dr. Strange. This is a prime example of time wasting and goes to show how disjointed and poorly paced Thor: Gagnarok is from the ground up.

For reference:

THOR (2011):

07:00m - "A wise king never seeks out war but must always be ready for it." 17m - "I have no plans to die today" / "None do." 20:14m - (Laufey) "You're just a boy trying to prove himself a man."

THOR: THE DARK WORLD (2013):

09:13 Thor: the Dark World - "Be with your people, where your heart is." 17m - Jane discovers the Aether 23:24 - "Merriment can sometimes be a heavier burden than battle." / "Then you're doing one of them incorrectly."

THOR: RAGNAROK (2017)

7-9m in: Thor on Muspelheim fleeing the fire dragon, and returning to Asgard 17m - Dr. Strange talking about if the spell needs any Asgardian modifications to find Odin. 20-23m - "Your sister. The Goddess of Death ... Remember that. Home."

In both cases the leading action that pushes into Act 2, Sequence 1 (New World/Old Juxtaposition) is prevalent. In 2011 it's the mission into Jotunheim -> Thor's eventual banishment. In 2013 it's Thor being heartbroken, Jane vanishing -> Thor taking Jane (and the Aether) to Asgard.

This isn't to say that the page 17 rule is hard and fast, but it exists and it works for a reason.

#in which vi talks about screenwriting stuff and why thor ragnarok is BAD #it's such a bad film it's so poorly done i'm so mad. >> #&&. whispers #&&. thor. #&&. | marvel. | #salt to taste #thor ragnarok #thor dark world #thor 2011 #anti thor ragnarok #anti taika waititi #screenwriting #thor ragnarok critical #thor ragnorak a workshop and critique

[mischief-lies-and-stories]

Why Kid Loki's Backstory in Loki Proves (More Than Anything Else) That the Writers Don't Understand Loki's Character

I've mostly already talked about this in a theory around Kid Loki, but now I'm going in a comic-heavy rant direction with it. Spoilers for Loki, Journey into Mystery, Immortal Thor, King Thor, and possibly more.

So Kid Loki in the show says he's taken in by the TVA for killing Thor. It is not clear whether Thor is also a child at this point in the timeline, or (as in my theory) this is Kid Loki from Journey into Mystery, a Kid Loki from our Loki's future (a future that hasn't happened yet in the main timeline of the MCU). Which would mean that the Thor he kills is an adult (probably. The future MCU option could deviate from Journey into Mystery and mean Thor is also a younger, reincarnated iteration of himself).

In the comics, the closest Kid Loki comes to killing Thor is 1., in Journey into Mystery, when he influences events during a battle to end the bloodshed by helping bring about Thor's sacrifice for the greater good. If he had not died, the battle would have gone on and led to more terrible destruction for Asgard. 2., In AoA, after "Kid Loki" ages up in Young Avengers, when he stabs Thor with Gram in order to free him from Loki's evil future self, who has hitched a ride inside Thor as a symbiote-like parasite.

In JiM, Loki privately and very deeply mourns Thor's death. (He also does so publicly, but in a way to avoid the suspicion of Asgard that he had something to do with Thor's death. But then the Asgardians go away and he's left alone, and he cries.) He knows what needed to be done, but he has lost his brother, his protector, his friend. He loves him. He is often shown throughout JiM to care about Thor. He calls for him instinctively when something he summons turns on him. He tries to make Thor promise to kill him if he goes bad again. He names his dog after him.

In Immortal Thor, we are reminded that Thor sought out Kid Loki, Thor awoke the piece of dormant soul inside him, Thor brought him back to himself and home to Asgard. Kid Loki would never kill Thor. Unless he had to.

Likewise, in King Thor, most of the comic is Loki, armed with the Necrosword, fighting Thor. Yet even here, even influenced by the elder god of the symbiotes themself, he cannot bring himself to annihilate Thor. (Now, he certainly does a good job of trying, even when he isn't as much under All-Black's influence. He makes an effort, I'm not discounting that. I'm not saying he's pretending to kill him, but in the end there's a shift.)

At a certain point, it stops being about Thor vs. Loki and the fight of an Asgardian lifetime. At a certain point, Loki very nearly gives it up, and Thor lets him. Loki says that it's too late, but not for their bond, not for a truce between them. It's too late to end this fight, because Loki has unleashed All-Black back into the universe, and it is too powerful even on its own for Loki to contain or control.

But the important thing here is that Loki stops. He stops fighting Thor. He stops trying to kill him. And when all hope is lost, as All-Black devours them, drowning them in despair and its own viscous, all-consuming darkness, Thor reaches for Loki, and Loki reaches back.

And this is a comic. We can make assumptions based on what we know about these characters, but at the end of the day, this is a comic, a stationary form of visual storytelling. Meaning that the panel portraying this moment does not display the first reaching hand, and so we cannot truly know who reaches for whom first. The important thing is that Loki reaches, too, but he could easily have reached out first.

Therefore, if Loki can reach for his brother, for comfort and peace and a promise of tomorrow, when all hope and light is dying around him, when he's about to die himself in a universe-ending disaster of his own making, centuries and millennia into a future of antagonism and villainy and sibling rivalry played out on a cosmic scale, then why the hell would he ever truly kill Thor as an eleven-year-old?

Aside from the shock factor (for both the main Loki and the viewers), it makes absolutely no sense. And if the writers cannot even comprehend that this would never happen, not in any universe (JiM and King Thor have nothing to do with each other, yet are connected by this one truth), no matter what Loki may claim, then why should they be expected to know anything else about Loki's character?

#of course another question is: is it loki's brother kid loki kills? #thor is also a title for whoever is able to wield mjolnir #but that's a different post #yet another question: why am i still so hung up on this one character's backstory #when i don't think kid loki's ever coming back to the show? #loki #loki tv show #loki comics #loki season 1 spoilers #loki rant #kid loki #journey into mystery kieron gillen #journey into mystery comic #journey into mystery spoilers #king thor spoilers #spoilers for immortal thor #(like one line)

[saiyanprincessswanie]

SaiyanPrincessSwanie - Reading List Weeks 143 & 144

Welcome to Week 143 & 144

As always these will be listed in no particular order. None of these stories are mine. I’m just signal boosting them. Author is listed next to title. My goal is to signal boost writers and spread positivity in the community.  💜💜

Click HERE to see what I will or won’t read. This is very important.

Click HERE for past reading lists.

My Masterlist click HERE

Please make sure you’re reading the warnings on every story. They range from dark to fluff. Do Not Read if you are under 18 years old. These stories are meant for adults only. You’re responsible for your own media consumption.

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Beg for Forgiveness - (Steve x Reader) - @saiyanprincessswanie

Nat’s Diary (2) - @animnerd

Lloyd Drabble - @thornsnvultures

Hold my Heart - (Andy x Reader) - @flordeamatista

Midnight Dance - @animnerd

Secrets chp 8 - (Steve x Reader, Brock x Reader) - @nekoannie-chan

New Rules - Chp 12 - (Steve x Reader) - @syntheticavenger

Heart of Glass - Part 1 - (Curtis x Reader) - @syntheticavenger

Oh La La - (Bucky x Reader) - @jobean12-blog

Drops of Rain - (Bucky x Reader) - @jobean12-blog

Left for Revenge - Chp 6 - @hollybee8917

Left for Revenge - Chp 7 - @hollybee8917

Left for Revenge - Chp 8 - @hollybee8917

Partners in Crime - (Nick x Reader) - @navybrat817

Prelude to a Kiss - (Stucky x Reader) - @navybrat817

New Tricks - (Stucky x Reader) - @sidepartskinnyjeans

Dirty Sweet - (Bucky x Reader) - @nocturne-pisces

TRIAD - @labella420

Thigh Slayer - (Bucky x Reader) - @targaryenvampireslayer

Things are looking up - (Brock x Reader) - @nekoannie-chan

So High - (Bucky x Reader) - @metalbuckaroo

A Piece of Cake - (Stucky x Reader) - @sidepartskinnyjeans

This City - (Steve x Reader, Steve x OFC) - @cockslutpadalecki

The shower incident - (Steve x Reader) - @nekoannie-chan

Kiss the Girl - (Steve, Nat) - @animnerd

Out there - (Winter Soldier) - @animnerd

Biker Jake Drabble - @angrythingstarlight

Chasing Love - (Bucky x Reader) - @jobean12-blog

Collared part 9 - (Dean x Reader) - @spnexploration

Collared part 10 - (Dean x Reader) - @spnexploration

Aurora - Part 6 - (Andy x OFC, Lloyd) - @andydrysdalerogers

Aurora - Part 7 - (Andy x OFC, Lloyd) - @andydrysdalerogers

God and His Angel - (God the Bounty Hunter × Reader) - @navybrat817

Pity Party - (Lloyd x Reader) - @deceitfuldevout

Secrets Chp 9 - (Steve x OFC, Brock x OFC) - @nekoannie-chan

Heart of Glass - Part 2 - (Curtis x Reader) - @syntheticavenger

His Inheritance - Part 15 - (Steve x Reader) - @jtargaryen18

Lightning in a Bottle - Part 4 - (Thor x Reader) - @wizardofrozz

Real Life Tasks With Ransom - Day 5 - @wiypt-writes @sweater-daddiesdumbdork

Secret Sierra - Chp 6 - (Six x Reader) - @lloydsbitch

Little Bird - Part 1 - (Bucky x Reader) - @gogolucky13

Gentle Sin - (God the Bounty Hunter x Reader) - @navybrat817

Traitor? - (Steve x Reader) - @nekoannie-chan

Two Kings (6) - (Steve x Reader) - @holylulusworld

Recognition - Part 3 - (Steve x Reader) - @labella420

Crossroads part I - (Steve x Reader) - @nekoannie-chan

Play by the Rules - (Steve x Reader, Bucky x Reader) - @navybrat817

Monkey See, Monkey Do - (Chp 12) - @spectre-posts @what-is-your-plan-today

Work it Out - (Bucky x Reader) - @jobean12-blog​

God vs the Devil - (1) - (Lloyd x Reader x God the Bounty Hunter) - @holylulusworld​

Headstrong - (Bucky x Reader) - @flordeamatista​

#saiyanprincessswanie #recommended reading #missy reads #missy reblogs #bucky barnes x reader #steve rogers x reader #andy barber x reader #curtis everett x reader #nick fowler x reader #stucky x reader #brock rumlow x reader #dean winchester x reader #andy barber x ofc #god the bounty hunter x female reader #lloyd hansen x reader #thor x reader #ransom drysdale x reader

[greater-than-the-sword]

I absolutely disagree with whatever the sjmattson guy said (why are we even acknowledging him? I hit block and ran the moment he showed up)

But I have a genuine concern tho, kinda related to the point he raised

Namely how true is the conversion of people who adopted Christianity as a result of colonisation? Not only the recent ones like in the Americas. I mean as far back as the early medieval period, when whole countries became Christian for political reasons. I'm certain many people genuinely believed, but provably most didn't, and this really pains my soul. That they exchanged one god for another, without actually seeking to be saved. That they got baptised just to gain an alliance with a Christian country or to get them off their backs at least. Converted just to marry that Christian princess. Converted because oh well their God and Zeus or Thor or whatever might as well be the same entity. One more God to add to the infinite pantheon.

The fact that Christianity is so widespread has countless advantages, I'll be the first to champion this. But it really seems to me, and it weighs heavily on my heart, that the more influential it is, at least politically, the more people adopt a fake faith just for social, political, economic benefits. Or in the case of violent conquest, just to be left alone. How can you guarantee in any mass conversion that even the majority are true converts, or even anybody at all. Conversion is a life vs death thing. It's THE most life vs death thing, the soul of a human being is at stake here?! You can't mass produce that! And yet that's how it was, whenever Christianity had to become state religion. I'd like to believe most of those people truly believed and are now in heaven, but it feels like wishful thinking....... it seriously breaks my heart.

"How true is the conversion of people who adopted Christianity as a result of colonisation?"

Well, if you're asking as it seems in such a broad sense covering all history from the time of Christ, I simply can't be sure, since I don't see how anyone could be studied enough in history to know intimately every major conversion event in the last 2,000 years.

There's 2 sides to consider in this, and one of them you seem to know well. The first is that we shouldn't envy the apparent "success in evangelism" of past eras where conversions were forced. I recall a conversation between my dad and his friend discussing the doctrine of Theonomy and how one of their friends who was in the Doug Wilson movement had said, "You know, in the days of the kings they used to baptize whole nations! What are we doing wrong?"

My dad and his friend quite rightly rolled their eyes about this, of course. A forced baptism does not a conversion make.

That being said....

The other assumption is that none of the conversions were legitimate, which is easy to assume without actually having been there. It's not as though mass revivals haven't been a real thing in history, with 3,000 converted at Pentecost, and personally, I have some optimism about the Christianization of Europe, as it was peaceful (well in some areas it was peaceful? Maybe some places it wasn't and I just don't know). Similarly to how Christianity has spread quickly in some other areas of the globe. Keep in mind that what might seem miraculously fast on a historical scale (~100 years) is actually longer than the average human's lifetime.... and just look at the change in the demographics of, for example, China in the last 100 years... there is a phenomenon where people of a dismal pagan culture (such as the Norse Pagans) can find Christianity immediately more appealing and enlightened. This is also true of the more successful missions to south asia for example (though who knows if these stories of missionary success are representative of global trends...)

Frankly this is such a huge question that I don't know how to answer it but I always kind of took it on faith that there have always been true believers, because,

...the Lord is good; his steadfast love endures for ever, and his faithfulness to all generations. (Psalm 100:5)

The gospel isn't a new thing and it has always been around since Christ.

#christianity #asks #i hope this at least sort of helps??

[pokedoesstuff]

Idea for a MonsterVerse x MCU x Transformers au

(Did you know that some Godzilla and Transformers comics were written by Marvel? Godzilla was even in the main Marvel comics)

Monarch is founded before Shield and are basically rival organizations that hate each other’s guts. Monarch deals with Titans, while Shield deals with everything else.

Kong: Skull Island takes place and Monarch begins Monitoring Kong.

In the 80’s, the Autobots and Decepticons wake up from their millions of years slumber. The Autobots find a young Sam Witwicky and team up with him, Shield takes notes of Sam and the Transformers and they recruit Sam into a new division of Shield dedicated to Transformers called NEST.

Captain Marvel happens.

The MCU films from Iron Man to Thor, Tony discovers stolen Monarch technology that his dad stole from Monarch, it contains information on Titans.

The events of Godzilla happen earlier during Fury’s big week. Now Fury has Godzilla on his radar.

The Transformers are very interested in Godzilla and the other Titans like Kong. The Autobots want them as allies. While the Decepticons want to control them to take over Earth.

The Avengers happens, Optimus Prime and Bumblebee join with the rest of the Avengers. Godzilla senses the power of the Tesseract and he heads towards New York to investigate. He helps the Avengers take out the Chitauri, and becomes an Avenger. He sticks around after the battle since Optimus and Captain America somehow convinced him to stay.

Years later, Ant-Man jokes that he could shrink down Godzilla.

In Age of Ultron, some Autobots are affected by Ultron and Ultron teams up with Megatron, so the Avengers and the Autobots fight Ultron together.

In Civil War, Transformers aren’t involved and don’t pick a side.

Vulture has combined Chitauri and Transformer tech, but Peter still stops him, he runs into Hot Rod along the way.

Infinity War happens and Godzilla rushes to Wakanda to fight Thanos. Hot Rod goes with Peter to space. Thanos still wins since he held Godzilla with the power stone. Many Transformers are dusted, but Optimus and Bumblebee survive. Hot Rod doesn’t, Godzilla and Kong aren’t dusted.

Godzilla: King of the Monsters happens one year after the snap, Tony tries to help Monarch with Godzilla.

Godzilla vs Kong happens before the Time Heist. Some Transformer parts are used in MechaGodzilla’s creation.

The Time Heist happens and in the final battle all the Autobots, Avengers, Godzilla, and Kong fight Thanos together and Tony snaps his fingers.

Every other movie happens and the Transformers help with displaced blipped people.

Godzilla x Kong happens and Ant-Man helps along with Wheeljack. Ant-Man helps Mothra calm down Godzilla and Scott fist bumps Kong. Scott helps defeat Skar King and shrinks him down after Shimo is freed from Skar King’s grasp. Kong crushes Skar King under his foot.

#monsterverse #mcu #marvel #godzilla #godzilla au #mcu au #transformers #transformers au

[deathmetalunicorn1]

I wanna see that raganork now.

What would the matchups be and who'd win?

What do you think those matchups would be?

I had to go hunting on the different characters lol! I'll just do the ones I can find at the moment.

God Killer Cat- doesn't matter who they're against, they are winning

Living Apocalypse- another who would win against anyone

Medusa- Poseidon or Athena only

Forgotten Queen- Zeus, and she would mop the floor with him without breaking a nail!

Replacement Fighter- I feel like he would want to fight against someone like Thor, more for fun and to challenge himself, much like Lu Bu

Dragon Goddess- Her scumbag of an ex, and she would wipe the floor with him

King of the World- I feel like he would want a strong opponent, one he could test himself against, and I could see him going against Apollo, and the two have immense respect for each other.

Male Demonic Vessel- Beelzebub, demon vs. devil, but it would wind up being their inner demons emerging and fighting each other, causing lots of destruction.

[monsterfucker-showdown]

characters in the showdown!

I will be posting the brackets for part 1 soon

Characters in bracket

Part 1

Venom from Vemon

Sidon from BOTW

The Creature from The Shape of Water

Cthulu from H P Lovecraft

Ursula from The Little Mermaid

Rem from Death Note

Undyne from Undertale

Pyramid Head from Silent Hill

Dracula from Bram Stroker

The Kraken

Charon from Hades

Bowser from Super Mario

Goliath from Gargoyles

Harpy Eda from the Owl House

Smaug from The Hobbit

Davy Jones from Pirates of the Caribbean

The Snatcher from A Hat In Time

Demona from Gargoyles

Emperor Belos from TOH

Billy from Hocus Pocus

Lunar Guardian Warwick from League of Legends

Slender man

The Xenomorph from Alien

zoe from monster prom

Medusa from mythology

Red Prince from Divinity 2: Original Sin

Winged Lion from Dungeon Meshi

the devil from the arcana

the high priesttess from the arcana

Angel of Death from Hellboy 2

punitto moe from overlord

zenberu gugu from overlord

shasuryu shasha from overlord

Yog Sothoth from hp lovecraft

the snake king from SnakeMan

jotunn from the ritual

William Birkin mutant form from Resident Evil

Hammerhead Sharkman from Hammerhead: Shark Frenzy

Radu from Seventh Son

Ghost Rider is from Ghost Rider

Drake from Blade Trinity

Sharktopus from Sharktopus vs Whalewolf

Felix Rosa the whalewolf from Sharktopus vs. Whalewolf

Scylla from Mamula

The Trench from Aquaman

Tao Tei from The Great Wall

White Spike from The Tomorrow War

Subject 20 from Forbidden World

The Gill-man from Creature from the Black Lagoon

surtur from Thor: Ragnarok

raiju from pacific rim

otachi from pacific rim

trespasser from pacific rim

knifehead from pacific rim

scunner from pacific rim

ink from bendy

the projectionist from bendy

Death from Discworld

Heavy from Alien Outpost

Leshy from COTL

Brooklyn from Gargoyles

Broadway from Gargoyles

monster x from godzilla final wars

gigan from godzilla final wars

Leomon from Digimon

Garudamon from Digimon

cave of wonders from Aladdin

azhdaha from Genshin Impact

osail from Genshin Impact

The Behemoth from Final Fantasy

Apollomon from Digimon

The Werewolf from the Doctor Who episode Tooth and Claw

The Beast from the Doctor Who episode The Satan Pit

Yugo Ogami from Bloody Roar

Venom possessed Thor from avengers assemble

Lake Yokai from Sailor Moon

Wither storm from Minecraft Story Mode

frankenstein's creature from mary Shelley

Sally from Nightmare Before Christmas

sloth from bayonetta

malphas from bayonetta

madama khepri from bayonetta

madama butterfly from bayonetta

labolas from bayonetta

gomorrah from bayonetta

diomedes from bayonetta

alraune from bayonetta

Hunson Abadeer from Adventure Time

Gummy from Gummy and the Doctor

Ln'eta from Sucker for Love

The crow mauler from fear and hunger

Te Ka from Moana

Alastair Crump from Haunted Mansion

Creeper from Minecraft

Springtrap from fnaf

The Headless Horseman from Sleepy Hollow

Clem from Buffy the Vampire Slayer

The Tuunbaq from the Terror

Indrid Cold's Mothman form from The Adventure Zone Amnesty

Urskeks from The Dark Crystal

urZah from The Dark Crystal

SkekSil from The Dark Crystal

Shina from Bloody Roar

Roxanne from fnaf security breach

Yautja from Predator

Undersea Gal from The Nightmare Before Christmas

Uranus from Bloody Roar

Gado from Bloody Roar

Shenlong from Bloody Roar

Rengar from League of Legends

Lunar Guardian Nasus from League of Legends

Jon Talbain from Darkstalkers

Angela from Gargoyles

Minotaur from greek mythology

spot from across the spiderverse

Lord Arum from The Penumbra Podcast

Abathur from starcraft

The Beast from Over the Garden Wall

Ultimecia (final form) from FF8

M'aiq the Liar from Skyrim

MELON from Beastars

Garrus Vakarian from Mass Effect

Carnage from Marvel Comics

Blaidd from Elden Ring

Jzargo from Skyrim

Durnehviir from Skyrim

zinogre from monster hunter rise

scp 2521 from scp foundation

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werewolves from skyrim

the rajang from mhr

dimple from mob psycho 100

Maximus Lobo from X-Men

Bill Cipher from Gravity Falls

The Red Bull from The Last Unicorn

Lord english from homestuck

grim from the grim adventures of billy & mandy

the lorax

Stricklander from Tales of Arcadia

Darkness from Legend

Mr Mirrors from Fallen London

Kokushibo from Demon Slayer

Moon presence from bloodborne

Simone Lenoir from Scooby Doo on Zombie Island

Peitha from Guild Wars 2

the grinch (jim carry) from how the grinch stole Christmas

the aliens from space invaders

clickers from the last of us

goomba from Mario

the wendigos from until dawn

Sheeva from Mortal Kombat

The Stalk from Saga

Mileena from Mortal Kombat

King Ghidorah from Godzilla: King of the Monsters

kolivan from voltron legendary defender

spriggans from skyrim

Red Guy from dhmis

Dragon from Shrek

Mothman

The Pale Man from Pan’s Labyrinth

The Faun from Pan's Labyrinth

King Boo from Mario

Cerus from Guild Wars 2 Secrets of the Obscure

Orthax from The Legend of Vox Machina

The Balrog from The Fellowship of the Ring

Hexxus from Ferngully

beast from beauty and the beast

Lady Dimetrescu from resident evil village

Discord from My Little Pony

Narinder from Cult of The Lamb

cheshire from bayonetta

Asterius from Hades

The Emperor from Baldur’s Gate 3

lynels from botw

Sully from Monsters Inc

Paarthurnax from Skyrim

Ryuk from Death Note

Hermaeus Mora from Skyrim

Hellhound from Supernatural

Astaroth from Soul Calibur

Nemesis from Resident Evil 3

the faceless old woman who secretly lives in your home from Welcome to Night Vale

Audrey 2 from Little Shop of Horrors

astel, naturalborn of the void from Elden Ring

Kang and Kodos from The Simpsons

Licker from Resident Evil

Mr. X from Resident Evil

Mouth Of Sauron from Lord of the Rings

Laudna from Critical Role

Wiggly from Black Friday

Count Orlok from Nosferatu

Harry the werewolf from scary godmother

Barnaby from Billy Bust Up

Pride demon from dragon Age inquisition

Raziel from Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver

Draco from Dragonheart

The Unusual Hilichurl from Genshin Impact

Serleena from Men in Black II

The Devil from Good Omens

Koh from A:TLA

The Enderman from Minecraft

Medusa from Greek Mythology

Enjou from Genshin Impact

Roz from Monsters Inc.

Swamp Thing from Swamp Thing

Cheetah from Wonder Woman

Killer Croc from DC Comics

Juggernaut from Deadpool 2

Hellboy from Hellboy

Hraesvelgr from Final Fantasy XIV

e. aster bunnymund from rotg

Toothiana from rotg

Lorelai from Vainglory

Amael from Vainglory

Phinn from Vainglory

Toothless from HTTYD

Papa Titan from The Owl House

The vampire from the Halloween Ring Pops box

Odahviing from Skyrim

Ganondorf from Tears of the Kingdom

Randall from Monster Inc

Papyrus from Undertale

Mettaton from Undertale

Jack from Jack in the Box

WereGarurumon from Digimon Adventure

Stormfly from HTTYD

zubeia from the dragon prince

Revali from BOTW

Mipha from BOTW

Red Dragon from Dungeons and Dragons

Black Dragon from Dungeons and Dragons

Silver Dragon from Dungeons and Dragons

Brass Dragon from Dungeons and Dragons

Baphomet from Dungeons and Dragons

Count Strahd von Zarovich from Dungeons and Dragons

Lolth from Dungeons and Dragons

Asmodeus from Dungeons and Dragons

Demogorgon from Dungeons and Dragons

Chernabog from Fantasia

Glamrock Freddy from fnaf

Mind Flayer from Dungeons and Dragons

elijah volkov from camp here and there

Abe Sapien from the Hellboy

The Wood Sprite from Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio

Battle Beast from Invincible

Skelly Schelemeus from Hades

Kugo Sakamata from BNHA!

Genn Greymane from World of Warcraft

Dragon form Zhongli from Genshin Impact

Francoeur from A Monster in Paris

Childe foul legacy form from Genshin Impact

The Corinthian from The Sandman

Death from Puss in Boots: The Last Wish

Kaiju No. 8 from Kaiju No. 8

Sabrewulf from Killer Instinct

Piccolo from Dragon Ball

Sans from Undertale