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anonymous-dentist · 2 years

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Truth in the Tales: The Wild West and the Donner Party

This is a repost because Tumblr likes eating my things. Bad Tumblr.

Hi, I'm A.D., and I'm a history student. I've been waiting to do this episode! I've actually already done an analysis, this one on the Democrat Haters, which I'll link here. So, instead of talking about the gay cowboys again, I'm gonna talk about the Donner Party in honor of our favorite cowboy cannibal, Crops. This is, by no means, gonna be comprehensive, but I always answer asks if anybody wants to ask about anything related to cowboys 'n shit!

(Image: On The Way to the Summit.)

Let's start off the way we always do with the episode description courtesy the wiki:

The episode stars Karl Jacobs, BadBoyHalo, ConnorEatsPants, Corpse Husband, Fundy, Quackity, Ranboo, Sapnap, Technoblade, and Tubbo as cowboys. It takes place at around the same time as the Masquerade in a western-style town with many shops and buildings. The episode follows Karl and the townspeople as they join together to stop bandits who have repeatedly robbed the town. The end of the episode also reveals more of the Inbetween and Karl's involvement with it.

I don't have much to say on this one, but I never do, do I? One of these days I'll do an actual Tales analysis and it'll be over for all y'all. (First I need to actually be able to watch the fucking streams. Someone give me the Wild West vods please Mr. Jacobs sir)

Part One: Crash Course in Western Expansion

Really, really briefly I'm gonna explain what the fuck the wild west even was. I'm not even gonna cite anything here. Just send an ask if you want further clarification!

So way back in the early 1800s, American president Thomas Jefferson bought an assload of land from French 'president' Napoleon Bonaparte. Following that, America fucking exploded. Pioneers moved west past the Appalachian Mountains for the first time in the nation's history, pretty much. A couple of decades later, America beat the American southwest and California out of Mexican control, and people started moving west to manifest the hell out of their desiny.

There were a couple of official trails out west, and many more unofficial. The important one here is the Oregon Trail, the most famous of the lot. Beginning in Independence, Missouri, and spanning the length of the North American continent up to Oregon, the trail was basically the highway of the American west. Y'all might've played the video game in school, or might've seen the Starkid musical about it. It was used from the 1840s through the 1870s, but it really became obsolete with the establishment of the Transcontinental Railroad in 1869. It took about six months to travel down the trail by wagon train.

This is important.

(Map: Oregon Trail, 1907.)

Part Two: Going West

(Note: A lot of this comes from my memory! I'll cite what I need to, but I was a kid very invested in this, once upon a time.)

Our story begins in the 1800s in a little city in Missouri. Independence, to be exact, because, that's right, these guys were heading down the motherfuckin' Oregon Trail.

It's the spring of 1846. About 500 wagons are heading west along the trail, and at the very end, taking up about nine wagons, are the Reed and Donner families. Made up of 32 people, the Reed and Donner families really weren't anything special. Neither was the trip, for that matter. It was pretty chill, really. Within about a month and a half of traveling, the wagon train had made it to Fort Laramie, Wyoming. On the way, some other families had joined the Reeds and the Donners, including the Murphy family, the Eddy family, the Breen family, and the Keseburg family. Remember Keseburg, he comes up later.

So they're in Fort Laramie, and it's a pretty straight shot west to Oregon. They're making great time. It's July, so they would be in Oregon by early fall, or late fall at the very latest.

Unfortunately, this is where they started doing some very stupid things. Namely, they followed the advice of one Lansford Hastings, who said that he knew a shortcut west that would shave off a pretty good amount of time from the trip. Hastings said he would meet the wagon train at Fort Bridger. Now, the head of the Reed family, James Reed, had been advised by several people not to follow this guy's advice at all. Even better, Hastings wasn't even at Fort Bridger when the group got there. He was with a different wagon train, but he said that he would leave markers for them to follow.

(Map: The Hastings Cutoff vs the California Trail.)

Still, a group of 89, contained in about 20 wagons, left Fort Bridger to take the Hastings Cutoff. Now, the cutoff was supposed to shave off 300 or so miles from the trip. In reality, it added 125 miles, and it took the group through some of the most inhospitable land out west. They were driven to only being able to make it just over a mile per day, which really wasn't good at all. They lost a good deal of food and water when crossing the Great Salt Lake Desert in Utah, which would really bite them in the ass a few short months later. By the time they made it to the end of the pass, the rest of the wagon party had already made it to California. It was late September, and the Donner Party had to make it clear across the Sierra Nevadas before winter set in.

Reed had taken off at this point, pretty much banished after killing a guy, and had arrived in Sutter's Fort out in California. At the same time, two Miwok Native Americans had joined the party to sort of serve as guides. Sort of. At this point, the party had lowkey admitted they were just a bit fucked, but they thought they still had a chance of getting to the end of the line safe and sound.

And then it started snowing.

Part Three: The Cannibalism Bit

This is the part of the story that has gone down in history.

The party had been forced to abandon most of their wagons at this point, leaving behind precious supplies. Namely: food.

By November 1, the wagon party was separated and snowed in. Everybody save the Donners were set up by Truckee Lake. The Donners, meanwhile, were about 5 miles away. This area of land is called Donner Pass, these days, which really just shows about how well these guys did that winter.

On November 20, Patrick Breen began keeping a diary. This is the only contemporary account of the Donner Party we've got.

(Image: Artist's rendering of the Truckee Lake settlement.)

They didn't have much food at all. Whatever cattle they did have died off pretty early on. They didn't have any other real food. Ox hides were boiled, ox bones were boiled, ox hide rugs were boiled. They ate tree sap, pine needles, whatever they could get their hands on.

The first to die was an employee of the Reed family, Baylis Williams, on December 15. From there, it only went downhill.

I'm not going to go super into detail describing the winter. A lot happened! Instead, I'll link the Puppet History episode on the subject.

It fucks.

Back to the story.

On December 16, 15 members of the party strapped on snowshoes and set off on a journey to try and get help because people were dying. This party was known as the "Forlorn Hope", probably for good reason. Nothing went right for them, either. Eight of the group died en route, including the two Native Americans that had joined the party back before the snow-in. A couple of the dead became the first to be eaten in the party. Patrick Dolan, first, then a handful of others, including 12-year-old Lemuel Murphy and the Native American guides. In the end, though, the remaining party members managed to get to a Native American tribe. They recuperated there, and party member William Eddy headed off to get further help from a settlement on the outskirts of the Sacramento Valley. The first rescue party arrived to get the remaining members of the Forlorn Hope on January 17.

It took 33 days.

The first relief party made it to Truckee Lake on February 18, rescuing 23 people, the majority being children. By that point, all the cabins were completely snowed in, and thirteen people were dead. The second arrived on March 1 and retrieved 17 people, all but three of which were children.

No one had died between the rescue parties, but the guys stuck at Truckee Lake had considered eating a man named Milt Elliott. His body was found mutilated. Down at the other camp, Jacob Donner's body was found in a pit completely dismembered. His children were being nourished on his organs. Three other bodies from the camp had already been consumed.

(Photo: Tree stumps at Truckee Lake, 1866. The stumps' heights indicate just how high the snow was that winter.)

The third relief party arrived March 14. Those who left with it were all children, the remaining adults either too sick to leave or unwilling in the case of Tamsen Donner and Lewis Keseberg.

In the end, Keseberg was the only survivor left when the final search party arrived in mid-April. He had admitted to the previous party that he had eaten a child or two, and, when confronted by the final party, he was seen to have a pot filled with boiling human flesh his cabin along with a good amount of money and George Donner's pistols.

In the end, 42 died, 47 survived, and we've got a lovely picnic area and interpretive trail located in the area to remember them by.

And what did the survivors think?

Well, let me put it in their own words:

"I have not wrote you half of the truble, but I hav Wrote you anuf to let you now what truble is... Dont let this letter dishaten anybody. Never take no cutofs and hury along as fast as you can."

- Virginia Reed, aged 12 at time of rescue

Part Four: Conclusions?

Alright, now what else can I say about this?

Well, it certainly didn't stop anybody from heading west. Gold was discovered in California in 1848, and we all know the San Francisco 49ers, named after, uh, the 1849 Gold Rush. The golden age of cowboys wouldn't come about until the opening of the first railroads out west in the 1860s and wouldn't end until the 1890s. If you traveled by train, it could take a week to reach California. No risk of getting snowed in and eating your family members. I'm always happy to talk about this, so, again, send me asks if you're curious!

Back to Tales, this is the episode where Karl really started seeing how... weird the Inbetween is. We know now that it's one of the Jack Manifolds' territory, but at the time, I'm pretty sure it was just Some Creepy Time Castle. I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. But this is what a historian does, looks at the past and pieces what happened together based off of minimum evidence. Hell yeah.

"Stay on the path."

Well, Karl, you'd best do that. Else I'd hate to see what becomes of you. I mean, the Donners didn't stay on the path, and we saw what happened to them. Only they had someone there to help them.

Who do you have, Karl Jacobs? You blink, and you're alone. You blink again, and there's a man in front of you frowning, concerned, hands gently framing your face. He asks if you're alright. The Inbetween's warning echoes in your mind. You say you're fine.

You aren't fine.

Next 'week': The Haunted Mansion and, uh. The Haunted Mansion.

(maybe next week tumblr will actually let me upload it...)

#mcyt #dream smp #dsmp #tales from the smp #tftsmp #karl jacobs #c!karl jacobs #tftsmp the wild west #long post #truth in the tales

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soft-flourish · 3 years

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but today’s lore streams have me “The Room Where It Happens” vibes. Simply because Wilbur asked Ranboo what he stood for much like Hamilton did. Dream basically offered Wilbur another chance just as Jefferson & Maddison did for Hamilton. No one was in the room when Wilbur was revived only when Ghostbur died, there was someone in the room. Could Quackity potentially be “Maddison” and Tommy along with Ranboo as “Burr”?

#tommyinnit #dream smp #c!tommy #c!wilbur #wilbur soot #dreamwastaken #c!dream #quackity #c!quackity #ranboo #c!ranboo #dsmp #dream smp theory

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tepess · 3 years

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i miss when the dream smp was first starting out and it was just a really fucky hamilton roleplay so here u go, some thoughts and an au ;)

- u can all guess who tommy is. we all know it. hes the bastard orphan son of a whore.

- mm in this au eret doesnt rly. betray them. he PRETENDS to betray them and ends up spying on the dsmp, he represents mulligan

- fundy is like lafayette purely bc i saw it in one animatic and the thought of fundy singing guns and ships is funny to me

- ohghfh i WONDER who EVER wilbur soot could be!!!!!!!!!!!!! how could i ever figure htis one OUTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /s

- tubbo is in laurens’ spot because. i said so?? sry tuberculosis underscore u fuckign die my bad.......................

-elizas spot is niki in literally the most sibling-y way possible bc im not shipping them ew???

-ah yes. act two my beloved and despised at the same FUCKING TIME

- schlatt is takin jeffersons plac e because its. fitting,.

- also i didnt mention it bc im p sure its obvious but dream is the king guy whos name i keep FUCKING FORGETTING WHY R THERE SO MANY PPL IN HISTORY??

-anyways!! :))

-quackity madison. bc 1. it makes sense and 2. the idea of quackity in the middle of the festival or smth needing to take abreak to just Die For A Hot Second is very funny to me

-ngl im struggling w choosing who burr would b?? im thinking george but i really dont know lmao

- i would also like to mention that “say no to this” is a very good song but im either chucking that out the window and ignoring its existence or making it ab exile number 1 somehow

-and by exile number 1 i mean the whole “hey im schlatt now get TF OUT OF UR COUNTRY FUCKER EL OH ELLLLL” thing. pogtopia was fun.

-yeah im still figuring this whole au out ill make another post on it when ive gained the ability to thoughts. i havent unlocked that gameplay mechanic yet

#dream smp #lmanburg #manburg #hamilton #dream smp hamilton au #au i say. its not an au its just the beginnng of the dsmp.#mcyt #tommyinnit #wilbur soot #eret #itsfundy #fundy #tubbo #jschlatt #quackity #pogtopia #tags my despised #long post #ish??

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emoangel44 · 3 years

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hey. hey guys.

who lives, who dies, who tells your story with: tommy as hamilton, wilbur as washington, puffy as eliza, niki as angelica, jack as jefferson and quackity as madison.

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mcytgarbagecan · 3 years

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mcyts as high schooler quotes

quotes from @dragonflyashes ULTIMATE EDITION (best of four years)

philza: who the hell allowed teenagers to have caffeine and hormones

tubbo: my life plan is to live fast and eat mac and cheese

wilbur: job qualifications? uh… self conscious and horny

minx: *reads first question on the test* okay where the fuck is my advil

schlatt: all i have is a bottle of vodka and a lot of aspirations

quackity: you have to pay for a dog but i can be a dumb bitch for free

antfrost to fundy: don’t be that kid who hisses

karl: please tell me it’s not another grinch thirst post

techno: i don’t actually want a girlfriend, i just want to be someone’s lock screen, like i’m not lonely i’m just conceited

eret: i think if you got me a mood ring it’d be a fucking rainbow at this point

tommy: well this doesn’t work as well as the ad said it did

sapnap: real shit where the sugar mommas at my car needs gas

george to dream: you can’t just whisper “skinless frogs” into my ear like that

jack: just sell adderall like a normal teenager why do you have so many batteries

niki: who’s impulse control? i’ve never met her

purpled: if anyone's wondering baby formula tastes like shit

punz: i knew i should have brought the whole bottle of advil

skeppy: alright fuck this, i’m selling feet pics

badboyhalo: you are the rudest person. you’re off the christmas card list

dream: *school bell rings* oh fuck off little bitch

bonus round!!!

schlatt: is vodka a vegetable?

quackity: well no one expects the spanish inquisition

techno: glad to see your mind immediately goes to the economic benefits of repeated emotional trauma

wilbur: tell me hamilton and jefferson weren’t hate fucking

#text #mcyt #woohooo baybeeeeey #wilbur #tommy #tubbo #philza #schlatt #quackity #karl #sapnap #georgenotfound #dream #techno #skeppy #badboyhalo #niachu #minx #jack manifold #fundy #antfrost #eret

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appleflavoredkitkats · 4 years

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do y'all ever realize how much quackity fits the exact role jefferson had in hamilton? didn't participate in the war for their independence but entered the nation one day and ran for president anyway. doesn't know anything about the war but still faces cabinet battles against their opponents. “what'd i miss” is literally the most quackity song for his role in the smp.

#quackity #dream smp #dream smp war #mcyt

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strandedcrow · 2 years

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white rabbit by jefferson airplane is c!xdnf (i like using small/tall as metaphors for creative/gods and survival/mortality)

“one pill makes you larger,” creative mode

“and one pill makes you small,” survival

“and the ones that mother gives you don’t do anything at all,” lore parents

“go ask alice when she’s 10ft tall,” c!XD. no explanation needed.

“and if you go chasing rabbits and you know you’re going to fall,” dreamscape george. literally his dreams

“tell ‘em a hookah smoking caterpillar has given you the call,” ok c!george’s conscious??

“call alice when she was just small” prison c!dream

“when the men on the chessboard get up and tell you where to go,” makes me think of c!dream, with needing to be in control. but also c!quackity, for his current relationship with c!george, c!schlatt, and c!wilbur

“and you just had some kind of mushroom,” kinoko kingdom

“and your mind is moving low,” c!george not being able to tell if he’s asleep or not

“go ask alice, i think she’ll know,” XD IS LITERALLY THE SERVER GOD OF COURSE HED KNOW

“when logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead” i like to imagine XD as this massive massive being that could literally hold c!george in the palm of his hand. also… that whole dream where he killed c!drm and c!techno and then fought the ender dragon. no fucking logic

“and the white knight is talking backwards,” XD’s first language is like enchantment table

“and the red queens off with her head,” this one is interesting. could be interpreted as a bunch of things. c!wilbur’s villain arc post ghostbur, current c!dream arc, C!GEORGE’S WEIRD FUCKING DREAM AGAIN, possibilities are endless

“remember what the dormouse said: feed your head,” advice given, i’m interpreting it as GeorgeeeHD

that’s just what i think

OH I LOVE THIS HELLO esp the flexibility of the red queen line that’s so fun to compare to the smp’s characters

#(i’m not doing this again tonight BUT ! i wanted to publish these and not nuke them bc music analysis fun)#long post #ask #anon #porcelxindoll #i like these i just don’t know enough abt the artists or specific songs to add anything but ! it’s still fun and i don’t want ur ideas to #be lost

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shakirawastaken · 3 years

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get to know me :)

Favorite Color: purple!! oh my god i love purple

Favorite Animal: turtle :) it kinda rhymes with purple ! my friends all call me purpleturtle lol, and its also like every other social media’s username as well

Currently Reading: Lycanthropy and other Chronic Illnesses, Turtles All the Way Down, and ofc Harry Potter (again)

Last Song: “Sex Sells” by Lovejoy

Last Movie: La La Land! this movie is so good and the ending makes me cry.. not to mention the songs are just AMAZING

Last Show: Glee!

Sweet, Spicy, or Savory: Spicy ;)/j

Craving: Chocolate

Tea or Coffee: Tea (milk tea)

now for some more fandom centric questions i suppose (dsmp, harry potter, hamilton, in the heights)

DSMP QUESTIONS:

favorite lore character: sapnap or quackity, i can’t decide

favorite content creator: i think its painfully obvious that its tommyinnit

favorite area on the smp: las nevadas babyyyy

favorite duo: tanboo

favorite tom simons vlog (idk): the trampoline park one

favorite skin: sapnaps :)

HARRY POTTER QUESTIONS:

favorite character: draco malfoy (theres so much to unravel about his character)

house: RAVENCLAW !!

favorite book: goblet of fire

favorite class: charms :)

favorite creature: dragon

patronus: turtle lol

HAMILTON QUESTIONS:

favorite character: angelica :)

favorite song: satisfied !

favorite costume: thomas jeffersons :)

favorite duo: laff and alexander

IN THE HEIGHTS QUESTIONS:

favorite character: vanessa !

favorite song: no me diga :)

favorite dream: sonny’s dream <3

feel free to use these questions, i encourage anyone who wants to to go for it! tag me if you do!

#shakira shakira writes #sonny de la vega x reader #get to know me!#get to know me #questions

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constellation-sapphic · 3 years

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post explaining my take on how the songs in this playlist (I swear it isn’t completely Hamilton) apply to the characters on the dreamsmp, somewhat in order of the history/time the person joined- some will be obvious and others are totally obscure lmao

"My Shot”: The L’manberg revolutionary war, the gang coming together to fight Dream and all

“Ten Duel Commandments”/”Blow us all away”: Tommy’s duel and the loss of his first (?) cannon life

“Yorktown”: Freedom for L’manberg! Everyone’s Celebrating! Hooray!

“Get Down”: Just Eret vibes after Dream crowns them king, they know they’re a bad bitch

“Don’t Lose Ur Head”: This one doesn’t exactly fit the timeline, but Quackity arrives! He originally was just goofing off, but then he gets involved with the politics of L’manberg and teams up with Schlatt (King Henry in this case) and shit starts to go down. The way I interpret the song is different from the story of the original musical, I see the end representing Quackity killing Schlatt after their argument at the white house.

“What’d I Miss”: Also Quackity! Now Schlatt would be James Madison, and I see it as him taking advantage of Quackity, trying to get him into the election, saying “can you get us out of the mess we’re in” & “we have to win” bc he’s got ulterior motives babey!

“Washington On Your Side”: Quackity, Niki, and Fundy making parties to run against Wilbur and Tommy, Q is Jefferson

“The Adams Administration”: It fits so perfectly, “... ardently abuse his cabinet post, and lose his own election- welcome folks! To the Jschlatt administration!” “Quackity’s the runner up which makes him the vice-president” “Wilbur Soot can’t help you now no more mister nice president”

“Ready As I’ll Ever Be”: This animatic. Fundy seemingly betrays Niki and the rest of L’manberg in favor of Schlatt, uprising begins.

“Candy Store”: Schlatt, Quackity, and George bullying Tubbo while they’re all in office lmao- Tommy is Martha here

“My Axe”: It’s Techno. He’s joined pogtopia. This instagram post introduced me to the song and it fits techno so well.

“The Whole Being Dead Thing”: Here’s where Schlatt dies, AU where he comes back as Glatt with the personality portrayed in this song.

“Meant To Be Yours”: Wilbur wants to make big boom.

“Two Player Game”: Tommy and Tubbo! Tubbo becomes the president here, Tommy looks proud of him, they’re best friends and they’ll get through this together, right?

“Dead Girl Walking Reprise”: Wilbur makes big boom. This animatic.

“I Know Him”: Dream sees that Tubbo is the president, and starts scheming to gain power again

“Meet Me Inside”: Tommy burned George’s house down, now Tubbo is mad at him because he’s angered Dream- Washington tells Hamilton to go home, Tubbo exiles Tommy.

“Your Obedient Servent”: Tension between Tommy and Tubbo

“Dead Mom”: Tommy’s in exile, Wilbur is dead, and Tommy feels betrayed by his family and friends. He starts getting sad and shit.

“Mother Knows Best”: Dream is manipulating Tommy hardcore

“Michael In The Bathroom”: Certified abandoned best friend song, Tommy gets REAL fuckin sad in exile, feeling super betrayed by Tubbo

“Hurricane”: I imagine this takes place on top of the pillar Tommy made, Tommy realizes that he can get himself out of this because Dream is the one afraid of him

“Say My Name”: Alternatively (In the beetlejuice schlatt AU), glatt sees tommy on his pillar and convinces him to get revenge rather than jump

“That Beautiful Sound”: Tommy and Techno team up again, they go feral together, Tommy feels free from Dream.

This is all I have in the playlist for now, this was all just a hyperfixation I’ve had for the last few days and I needed to write this

Can’t wait for more angst to connect music to!

#dreamsmp #tommyinnit #glatt #god i want beetlejuice schlatt to be a thing

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