#men of fandom

[arian-archivist-11]

My biggest ick is the hyper feminization of an obviously masculine character in a m/m ship. It's weird watch this happen so consistently, but then i realize that a lot of people in Fandom are young woman/girls so they project their understandings of relationship dynamics onto said ships. Or that the male artists who work in the Fandom themselves like a more masc/fem approach in their works. Fem interpretations are okay and frankly needed but for some people it seems they can't enjoy it without unesecarily projecting those qualities onto characters and take away their actual personality in doing so. A concerning amount of these people are young woman (attracted to men) who bulldoze past, and ignore the obviously queer relationship and themes they're engaging with, essentially making it cis-het light.

This isn't some "mlM FeTiShIZaTiOn" post because there are enough of those brain dead, thinly veiled misogynistic takes in fandom spaces, but that I'd really like to see more male/masculine/gay influence in fandom spaces. Because many of those girls are young, over-enthusiastic, and queer themselves.

As much as woman and girls do enrich fandom spaces I feel as if there is a lack of people who know how to handle, write, and draw masculine themes. A lot of us are in fandom spaces, but the people actually ruling narratives and influencing fandom spaces aren't us.

From tumblr, to tictok and twitter most Fandom and community accounts are rarely ever men/masculine aligned peeps and the ones that are, are usually not as popular and sometimes treated like they're anomalies. Many male accounts I follow for these ships and communities talk about how suprised people tend to be when they hear their gender because it's not common for men to be in these fandoms spaces. Even when those spaces are about us. The weirdest part is that reddit is the only solid place with gay/queer male oriented communities of large size and that is simply unacceptable. Not only because its fucking reddit. But the fact that there should be many more spaces oriented around us. God's know I need to just feel surrounded by understanding and similar people. Let alone someone in a worse position then my own.

It'd be everything to just be surrounded by people I share an essential part of me in commen with when I'm talking about silly needy stuff. And communities seem hell bent on ignoring us or being downright hostile.

This isn't even mentioning the not very disguised bigotry we face.

Some experience micro-agressive, and even bigoted behavior from peole who interact with them or their work. I hardly interact with anyone to avoid this kind of shit but I see it all too often around me.

Fandom is lacking a masculine presence. Even when we're the ones making the art and writing the fics, the people who run the massive blogs and accounts are usually never us. And when we make blog spaces and run them our precanse is treated as unusual or even met with varying degrees of indifference and anger.

Fandom has a problem with anti-masculinity and heteronormativity in how it enteracts with male/queer male stories. We owe ourselves some basic self respect to push back against unhealthy narratives and to let stories that value our masculinity thrive. And for younger guys in fandom to feel safe in being themselves when they interact with our spaces.

I've heared to many stories of guys pretending to be more fem or swallowing down complaints about content made for m/m relationships because they feel like their "taking up space" and "being too loud" by voicing their concerns.

I'm a pretty fem gay boy but I still desire to have a more masculine presence in queer spaces that are oriented around fiction. The sheer amount of nerdy accounts that are ran by really masc guys who think no one in non dudebro, cis-het spaces would be interested in them is heartbreaking.

Masc or fem you're appreciated and talente and you deserve to express yourself however you want. Trust me every time time I see a content creator post and image of themselves in a skirt or another showing off his jacket or fitness gains it acts as a little more inspiration to me.

Ideas of masculinity being threatening or incompatible with our communities is crypto-terf bullshit. If you want to be an openly masculine/male blog, account, or personality then be just that. One of the greatest barriers for masculine queer people is feeling out of place no matter where you go, so they deserve a space to be at home. To feel like their masculinity isn't dampened by their queerness or that they cause problems by being masculine and queer. Masculine queer people are my fucking world. Healthy masculinity that's unafraid to be itself is something I wish I had in my male "role models" growing up.

It's fun watching my favorite streamer talking about how hot boys are in the most manly-man, guy-dude way ever. Young guys deserve that recognition and relatability. We deserve role models and inspiration.

No more about, us without us. Even for simple shit like fandom.

(Also i find it really fucking interesting that with a rise of terfy, right wing puritinism in fandom there is also a rise of conditional ecceptance, homophobia and trabsphobia towards anyone male aligned. This is more widespread problem then I think is fully realized. There's an abnormal amount of push back to just our precanse.)

#male representation #mlm representation #gay representation #queer representation #masculinity #queer masculinity #men of fandom #fandom discourse #mlm #gay #gay blog #gay male positivity #male positivity #trans male positivity #gays of tumblr #men of tumblr #fandom gatekeeping #gay stoires #queer stoires #gay community #gay discourse #queer discourse #inspiring words #positive words #positive self talk #queer joy #gay masculinity #mlm relationship #gay thoughts #gay pride

[tetriminas]

dating Miles Edgeworth headcanons (Miles Edgeworth x fem reader)

He leaves you for a man

#tetri.txt #ace attorney #miles edgeworth #miles edgeworth x reader #sorry. no im not actually. make more x readers for men or even just gender neutral #im actually genuinely baffled at thw amount of fem reader miles stuff when 90% of the fandom sees him as gay. its nuts #1k #10k #20k

[nouverx]

Louise never heard about puppy love, cause they don't know that term in France 💔

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Lyrics are from Louise by TV Girl ! I was listening to it yesterday and that specific line on the second page screamed Alastor I just had to draw something about it

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel fanart #hazbin alastor #hazbin vox #radiostatic #one sided radiostatic #digital art #comic #autodesk sketchbook #alastor #tv girl #my art #first time drawing Vox wouhou sorry in advance if he's not accurate ahah #I love the fact that the entire fandom agreed Vox is pathetically in love with Alastor #Alastor would be such an asshole with people having romantic feelings towards him #especially men #that line from the song is so freaking cruel but goes SO hard #“I'm aroace but even if I wasn't I wouldnt even touch you with a stick :)” #aroace alastor #asexual alastor

[woodcoltonloc]

free my girl ok she did all that but y'all are annoying about it

#nancy wheeler #talia al ghul #stop tagging this with men im talking how fandom reacts to GIRLS!!!!!!

[uzuriartonline]

“Omega-level threat detected.”

#marvel fanart #marvel #digital fanart #artist #art #fandom #artists on tumblr #digital art #fanart #illustration #xmen #x men 97 #xmen fanart

[biggest-gaudiest-patronuses]

i vote that next year instead of reading Dracula we do a Jeeves & Wooster Book Club. those two never got the rabid tumblr shipping fandom they deserved (disqualified for the sheer technicality of being published a century too soon). we must correct this injustice

#jeeves and wooster #i want to watch tumblr go rabid i want to watch ao3 overflow with jeeves/wooster fanfiction #yes obviously the fandom EXISTS but it's a cozy little neighborhood #a handful of talented artists and writers doing their best to keep their charming little village going #but i'm tired of cozy i want this fandom TRENDING #I WANT TO SEE THIS ON MY DASHBOARD PEOPLE #i swear to you if they made a shiny new tv series tumblr would absolutely obsess over these characters. good omens levels of obsession #it's just such a great dynamic! the good-natured overly-trusting bumbling idiot in constant need of rescuing! #the stoic all-knowing genius who quietly masterminds mayhem in order to protect this one moron he's devoted himself to for some reason #jeeves as a morosexual is just such a beautiful interpretation of the original text #wooster as a happy-go-lucky himbo who stumbles his way into a relationship with a protective caring and supremely competent mastermind #the angst and social complexities of a same-sex cross-class relationship in turn-of-the century london! #oh AND half the stories are about jeeves helping wooster get out of engagements/desperately avoid marriage #two men who live together constantly scheming to maintain their bachelorhood. this is quite literally the main plot point #the gay subtext is there! the gay subtext is there and very ripe for picking!!! #this thing is LOCKED AND LOADED we can pounce literally any time

[kstarlitchaotics]

This is funny and not funny 🤣😅

#marvel #x men 97 #remy lebeau #gambit #anna marie darkholme #erik lehnsherr #xmen #x men #rouge #marvel fandom #sharing #not mines

[denkit0ri]

little doodle of my baby kevin

#digital art #fanart #art #art wip #wip #all for the game #aftg kevin #aftg art #aftg fandom #aftg trilogy #aftg #aftg fanart #tkm #the kings men #kevin day

[solarockk]

cod boy and salmon girl do some fishing

#do you know like- those photos of men posing with the fish they just caught? this is the same thing except its the fandom assigned sister #avian/canary jimmy became popular so they had to steal the seablings aesthetic adskjdakds #grian mc #grian mc fanart #pearlescentmoon #pearlescentmoon fanart #hermitcraft #man i love season 10 #so much fishing #mcyt #artist on tumblr #digital art #fanart #sol art #skyblings #grian #grian fanart

[ohtobangchan]

Eheh..eh...doing scientific researches ahah :D

#all for the gay #the foxhole court #art #fanart #aftg art #aftg andrew #aftg neil #aftg andreil #all for the game #aftg fanart #aftg fandom #artists on tumblr #drawing #aftg #tfc #andrew minyard #neil josten #andreil #the raven king #the kings men #digital art #digital illustration #digital drawing #procreate #nora sakavic #fandom #aftg trilogy #aftg hc #aftg headcanon #illustration

[sarasade]

One of the most generally useful things to come out of Hbomberguy's plagiarism video and Todd in the Shadows' similar video on misinformation is how they bring transparency to the internet phenomenon of "I made up a guy to get mad at".

Seriously, I've seen people make up a lot of stupid shit on the internet over the years and it's often just a manipulative attempt to paint a group of marginalized people in a bad light.

That's the TL;DR version of this post. 

ANYWAY here is the long version

Those videos are mostly about James Somerton's plagiarism of other queer people's work. However I'd like to talk about that 20-30% of Somerton's original writing- and oh boy. It's mostly about complaining about White Straight Women and misgendering well-known trans creators such as Rebecca Sugar and calling Becky Albertalli a straight woman while it's pretty common knowledge that she was forced to out herself as bi because she received so much harassment over "being a cishet woman who appropriates LGBT+ stories".

One thing that irks me especially is how in his Killing Stalking and Gay Shipping videos Somerton brings up how straight women/ teen girl shippers exploit gay men for their personal sexual fantasies. This gets brought up several times in his videos.

Being all up and arms about Somerton being a "White Cis Gay Who Hates Women and Queer People tm" is not that useful because the kind of rhetoric he's using is extremely common in fandom and LGBT+ spaces on Tumblr, TikTok and Twitter. We really don't need to bring Somerton's identity to this since he is in no way an unique example.

It's hypocritical to make this about an individual person when I've seen A TON of posts, tweets and videos where queer people talk about these Sinister Straight Women who are supposedly out there fetishizing and exploiting queer men. It's pretty clear to me that this is just an excuse to shit on women and queer people for having any sexual interests. At worst these comments are spreading misinformation about BL, a form of media that has been excessively studied by both Asian feminists and Asian queer women.

This all sounds really familiar and I think it's good that people are calling it out as what it is: misogyny and transphobia. I'd also point out the potentially racist motives behind being this hypervigilant about Asian media.

People can absolutely be misogynist regardless of gender or orientation. I really don't know why we need to create some kind of made up enemy to get mad at. I actually think it's almost sinister how "anti-fujoshi" people call Slash shippers and fujoshi misogynists or claim that they have internalised misogyny while being dismissive about women's interests and creative pursuits under Japanese obscenity laws, China's censorship, book bans in American schools and various other disadvances that are part of being a queer and/or female creator.

I think we shouldn't be naive about the bad faith actors who want to turn queer people against each other. For example Fujoshi.info mentions anti-gender (TERF, GC etc) movement using this kind of rhetoric as well.

Anyway if you want to read more:

- about the false info around BL fandom fujoshi.info

-There is the scholar Thomas Baudinette who studies gay media in Japan. Here is a podcast with him and the scholar Khursten Santos

-James Welker is a BL scholar as well. Here is a podcast interview about the new international BL article collection he edited.

-I've already talked about this Youtube channel by KrisPNatz and his great Killing Stalking video that actually engages with the themes of the manhwa

- There is also HR Coleman's thesis DO NOT FEED THE FETISHIZERS: BOYS LOVE FANS RESISTANCE AND CHALLENGE OF PERCEIVED REPUTATION where she interviews 36 BL fans and actually breaks down why fetishization has become such a huge talking point in the fandom discourse. Spoilers, it's mostly about young queer people and women being worried that they will get judged and pathologized for their interest in anything sexual.

-Great podcast about Danmei and censorship with Liang Ge

#Also I don't mean that you can always tell if someone is a transphobe or a TERF based on a couple of things they have said. #My point is that sometimes ok people can have very regressive ideas too. #This is not a call out post about how we should go around accusing anti-fujoshi people #todd in the shadows #hbomberguy #sarasade text #even I've got those “Fandom is mostly straight women fetishizing gay men” comments once and it begins to sound kind of passive-aggressive #when you're a bi woman. Lot of fandom stats at AO3 show that fandoms are montly bi women. who are these people calling straight exactly hmm #also straight women are completely ok leave them alone. I know I know Yes I'm so brave for saying this #cw: transphobia

[bucky-boychik-barnes]

Are you fucking kidding me, the smartass twink and hot werewolf aren't even the main characters of the show?

Who the fuck is Scott?

#coming into shows via the fandom is always so interesting #i had no idea the untamed was about demons and shit for example #i had just seen the fancy gay men #teen wolf

[runraerun]

Do you guys ever think about how canonically the vessels that angels occupy aren’t supposed to age (s12e10 when Cas is impressed his buddies kept their same vessels for well over a century. Also apparently Cas tells Jimmy when he first was requesting permission to inhabit his body, that Jimmy would not age while he was doing so.)

…but Castiel definitely ages. Obviously I get that this is simply because Misha himself is aging, but *my* in-universe headcanon is that he’s choosing it, (whether consciously or unconsciously) because he wants to grow old with Dean.

UPDATE: I wrote a fic for this. Enjoy!🐝

#because he’s a romantic little nerd #destiel #castiel #Destiel headcanon #Dean Winchester #he goes from dad to daddy #let’s be real #Misha collins #old men fucking #spn #supernatural #daddystiel #Destiel #deancas #someone’s probably already thought of this before me #but I’m re-entering the fandom after being gone for years so forgive me pls #1k

[aimeegbbs]

#trying to manifest that your fave is canonically queer

#new girl #newgirledit #tvedit #userbbelcher #usertelevision #userstream #cinematv #jessica day #nick miller #alternative caption: #this is what it feels like to watch the 911 fandom from the outside like can these men just kiss y'all have suffered enough #**

[lemonboyjosten]

it was incredibly poetic of nora to begin andreil’s storyline with andrew hitting neil with a racquet and ending it with andrew protecting neil from being hit with a racquet.

#andrew literally took neil’s breath away #aftg #all for the game #andrew minyard #neil josten #andreil #the foxhole court #the raven king #the kings men #palmetto state foxes #gay #lgbtq #tfc #trk #tkm #nora sakavic #aftg headcanon #aftg series #aftg fandom #the sunshine court #tsc #neil josten & andrew minyard

[uzuriartonline]

“The name’s Gambit, mon ami. Remember it.” 😞

#fandom #art #xmen 97 #artists on tumblr #x men 97 #xmen fanart #illustration #fanart #digital art #artist #marvel #marvel fanart #digital fanart