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vanofasgard · 10 months

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i have to rant about this or i might cease to exist.

lokius...

for one, i love queer ships (canon or not) but i also like to stay true to the show i’m watching, and i personally don’t have a big problem with sylki (just a little underwhelmed with it if i’m being honest). but the more i look at loki and mobius’ relationship, the clues and that damn song, the more it feels actually plausible that this could turn into something real.

i’m going to somewhat rank these from 1 downward, 1 being its probably coincidental, down to this is too spot on to be nothing. all while i sip leisurely at my tea.

1. “i’ve studied almost every moment of your life..”

it kind of speaks for itself. its a pretty simple bit of dialogue, and most likely doesn’t mean all that much, but what is mobius’ fascination with loki variants? this is higher on the list mainly because mobius has been assigned this case, he's a detective and its his job to dig deep, he's consumed by his work, therefore it isn't strange for him to know so much about loki's life on the sacred timeline.

2. the tie adjustment scene

trust me, i'd love to put this lower on the list, but theres one thing that makes me believe this is-- albeit disappointingly-- a coincidence. it was improv. maybe that, for some people, is more of an indicator of canon lokius, that tom hiddleston felt that that scene was being led in such a flirtatious direction, however, this scene was more his following along owen's playful presence on set, which just makes it kind of sweet. but this is one of my favourites scenes, regardless of the intention behind it. loki will always be a flirt, after all.

3. loki's bisexuality

as much as i would have loved to see more on loki's sexuality-- perhaps slightly more explicitly given his status as the god of mischief-- i'm not going to hate on sylvie and loki, because that would simply erase the existence of bisexuality, hetero-presenting relationships exist and to deny so would again, erase the meaning of bisexuality. however, the ending of season 1 does raise some questions. loki and sylvie's separation sets up the future of marvel, it needed to happen, so this might not mean much at all and we now know that season 2 will focus on loki searching for sylvie through timelines. but how purely queer would it be for loki to realise some stronger feelings toward one agent mobius, and perhaps loki and sylvie's relationship was something that was meant to stay platonic, who knows? this is considerably more fanon than my other theories, but i had to include it, given that to me, its a reasonable arguement. lgbtq+ characters need to be introduced and this was kate herron's goal from the beginning. she also said that she hoped marvel went further with this new information and explored more thoroughly. forgive me for this more outlandish inclusion, but it has been on mind for awhile now.

4. the presence of the dagger / "love is a dagger..."

we all know this one, we've all screamed over it and we all hope it means something more than just a coincidence. with marvel's history of in-depth attention to detail (comic references, foreshadowing years prior to a movie's release), it feels a little too purposeful, doesn't it? again, i'm trying to keep rank these into something somewhat believable with viable evidence, so something i will mention is that loki has lacked any close friendships his whole life. gaining a relationship like this would hold deep value to him, and parting ways would likely pull forth some deep bittersweet emotions. platonic love is arguably more important than romantic, the need to be understood without judgement and that is what both mobius and loki have given each other. the tears in loki's eyes during this scene is a clear indicator of their care for each other, but whether that goes deeper is unclear.

my thoughts fluctuate on this one. for one, its simply so beautiful and meaningful to loki's development (and mobius') that whether its meant platonic or with an underlying romance, feels like it hardly matters, because it holds as much meaning either way. "love is a dagger", it appears in so many forms throughout the series: mobius giving loki his daggers, only for them to be taken away by B-15 a second later, this hug scene and loki and sylvie's fight in the citadel. its so prominent in this scene, its hard to dismiss, yet marvel fluctuates so much with their details that its hard to tell if this was intended the way i'm seeing. regardless, its beautiful and definitely a worthy inclusion.

5. the lokius song / mobius' apparent jealousy

lets get one thing straight, natalie holt is an amazing composer and i will back that to no end with my spotify wrapped this year, trust me on this. so when i first started listening through the second album, like a true neurodivergent kid, i was memorising every song name and i have to say, i lost it a little when i saw the name of this song. natalie confirmed that sif and loki had a 'thing' during the point that the time loop scene was set, so one cannot dismiss the possibility that she could know a little more about the prior scenes than we realise. i was skeptical when i first saw people's impressions of these scenes, after all, they had all reunited after loki technically betrayed mobius, so it was understandable that mobius wouldn't exactly be pleased with the circumstances that they're meeting again. but something about the way he looks at loki and sylvie when he's leading them down the hall, he just looks kind of heartbroken and disappointed. again, this could have been the result of loki's betrayal, if the way he calls him a bad friend is anything to go by, but the substance of this scene holds so much in it. and his little rant about loki and sylvie's "twisted romantic relationship" breaking his reality, hits a little hard. maybe this wouldn't have meant much if it hadn't been with that bloody song, because tell how just an angry, hurt mobius = lokius? it can be jealousy regardless of romantic feelings, friendships feel it too, but this feel a little more substantial.

worthy inclusions:

sylvie's "he cares about you" comment in the void, and loki's near dismissal of it.

loki falling asleep in the archives, he trusts mobius.

am i the only one that finds it cute how loki hangs out at mobius' desk while mobius is off doing other work?

conclusion:

look, i'm going to be honest here, i grow sceptical of my own arguments at times. these are very minor things, and i didn't even realise they were pushing loki and sylvie in the direction they were until they kiss (in other words, i'm a little oblivious), so i want you all to take this with a grain of salt. i like to stay true to the actual characters and their makers, i don't have unrealistic expectations and i am no director, actor or screenwriter. i am not saying how i think the next season should go, i just wish it could go to in this direction to some degree. i have my doubts, but my hopes too. regardless, i'm just happy to see these characters at all!

this is what so many seem to forget. there may be restrictions (cough cough disney), but everyone working on these shows and movies have put their hearts into it and i want to appreciate that for what it is! this doesn't mean you aren't entitled to your own opinion, of course you are! but just remember the show/characters you've fallen in love with and if you didn't have them at all. i'm overjoyed to see loki with a close friendship after so many years of watching him being proverbially kicked while he was down. ultimately, loki and mobius' friendship (and possible romance) is what technically saved loki and that's something beautiful in and of itself.

I don't think its impossible! but i keep an open mind for both directions their stories could take.

#lokius #wowki #mcu loki #loki #loki laufeyson #loki odinson #mobius m mobius #loki series #loki x mobius #shipping #lgbtqia #character analysis

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suchawrathfullamb · 5 months

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whats up lamb <3 would love to know your petnames headcanons!

oh my, I thought about these so much, cause we do have almost a consensus on the fandom that Will never uses them and Hannibal has an arsenal of pet names in all languages. I personally love my own primary language, Portuguese, in terms of both pet names and dirty talk, I think we have a huge variety. And because Hannibal speaks all languages in fanon lol, to me he also knows Portuguese for some obscure reason like, idk, he visited Portugal some time, maybe he went to Brazil to escape Il Mostro investigations? Idk, either way he somehow knows the language lol.

I love it cause we have things like "gostoso", that means delicious or tasty, things you'd say for food, but we also use it for people :3. That's what I always say to myself (and yell to my screen) whenever I see Hugh Dancy, so I headcanon hard that Hannibal would have hotness overload with Will and just be like "seu gostoso" (kinda like "you hot thing" but a lot more sensual and yummy lol). I also love "lindo", that is also Spanish, which is almost canon they both know it cause they ran off to Cuba in S4 haha. Lindo means pretty, handsome, etc. We use it to call people like "oi, lindo" (that could be something like hi, pretty/beautiful).

But I just love it cause we have words that we just blurt out to our loved ones, and I don't think we have a lot of that in English, if at all. Like, we just go "GOSTOSO" at our person lol, or "COISA LINDA" (beautiful thing) *kisses kisses kisses*. I think we are very praise-oriented people and I feel like Hannibal also is, so yeah. I headcanon him using Portuguese pet names and some Spanish or Italian ones as well. I don't headcanon the mylimasis one because I believe H separated himself from his home, it's hard for him to associate anything with it, so I don't think he uses lithuanian, specially with Will. I also headcanon very hard on H using very intense and romantic ones like "corazon", "vita mia", "amore mio". Idk, he just showers Will in these, to me hehe.

And I can *only* see Will using one pet name, for whatever reason, I think it's because it's a very basic one, and everyone uses it, even when you're mad, it's common but still it's sweet, but it's also extremely natural, it basically becomes a second name, which is "amor" also Spanish or Portuguese, means "love". You can toss it around anytime like "Amor, come here", "Pass me the salt, amor", all the way to "I love you so much, amor". But for some reason I cannot picture him using "love" (I can picture Hugh using it because he's brit lol, but not Will), never in my mind he'd use anything like mon cherie, sweetheart, honey, etc. Too posh, too delicate. That's why I like amor, it's very second-nature for latinos, and if they're in Cuba he'd probably get used to it being thrown around so much. I also think he might feel a bit more comfortable using another language, because he is so avoidant and reluctant to affection, perhaps by using a different language he can find a comfortable emotional distance.

But, I have to be honest and go against the consensus of "never babe", I actually can picture Will, as a very american type of guy, using babe occasionally, or perhaps after a long time. Even if just accidentally, like it just comes out. He's drunk or sleepy. It's just automatic, you know? It's what he learned people do, I think it's almost impossible for him not to even consider that, cause just Hannibal, Hannibal, Hannibal starts to feel too serious to use for every single thing. In the beginning it feels intimate of course, as he only used his name a few times during the whole show, but after being together for years? I don't know, I feel like everything becomes normal after awhile, and also maybe just to see Hannibal's reaction he'd try some things out, you know?

Ultimately, the one I think Hannibal uses the most is love/my love, also I love "my Will" so much hehe, and Will veeeery slowly begins trying some out.

#this is one of the biggest things we were robbed of #WE NEED TO KNOW THE PET NAMES PLS REVIVE THIS SHOW #i would die tho imagine a scene of h using a pet name for will we would all collapse #ask the lamb #headcanon #hannigram #nbc hannibal #hannibal #will graham #hugh dancy #murder husbands #hannibal lecter #headcannons

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bluegekk0 · 1 month

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Bit of a ramble about something that's been on a mind for a while, about HK and the AU. Not really a vent, but just wanted to talk about it. It's pretty long so I'll hide it.

My relationship with HK these days is a bit complicated, to be honest. I absolutely adore the game, I get this warm feeling every time I hear the soundtrack and I still get the itch to replay it from time to time. It's a work for art and I'm so, so grateful I played it, even if I was quite late to the party all things considered.

But I can't deny that I fell into the rabbithole of having too many headcanons where I can't engage with other people to the extent I perhaps used to. I don't like many of the popular characters nearly as much as the fandom does, and those that are close to my heart I interpret in a way that speaks to me, but one that feels very distant to how other people view them.

It has some downsides. I avoid looking up HK fanart and I'm slowly starting to dislike getting posts about it recommended to me in the For You tab a little bit. Not because the art is bad, far from it, there are incredible artists and other members of this community that deserve all the love in the world. It's just that it keeps reminding me that my interpretations are so personal, and headcanons that go against them almost feel like mischaracterization, as ridiculous as it sounds. Some interpretations end up upsetting me more than I'd like, too. Some of it is misinterpretations that annoy me, but some are just things I personally don't agree with.

But part of me makes me think that it's my fault somehow. I can't quite explain it, I think this is somehow rooted in my self-esteem issues. I often fear that I don't belong, that I'm doing something wrong by not following the general fanon, that my AU feels like an insult against the canon because of how derived and self-indulgent it is. I didn't have that problem before, not to this extent, but as my mental health got worse over the months, it makes sense that something like this would also start to make itself known. Or at least it makes sense to me.

So deep down I'm torn. On one hand, I get weirdly protective over my interpretations and it's gone to the point where I struggle to separate them from the versions other people talk about. On the other, I'm starting to feel guilty that my AU versions are so different that they might upset some people.

I had some moments where I considered turning them into OCs. But every time I I think about that, I reach the conclusion that no, I don't want to do that. I love them the way they are, despite their designs evolving with time, I wouldn't want to change anything about them, let alone turn them into different characters. And it's not like I'm really changing the character from the canon. Some details are different, but it's also easy to forget that we don't really know much about a lot of these characters, so in many ways I'm just filling the blanks and writing the story around it. Not to mention, adapting canon in ways that I find personally engaging is one of my favorite things about the worldbuilding and lore of the AU. And then there's all the engagement from people who like the AU and want to learn more that is genuinely the main reason why it's as expansive as it is. I don't think I would've stuck around making art for it for this long if I was doing it for myself only.

But it's not just art, knowing that people care, and getting all the interesting ideas I haven't considered inspires me to expand the world of the AU even further, I think about it in my spare time, of all the ways I could develop the world, I still get random ideas for it that I eventually want to include, I read about something in the game's lore and I immediately think of the way I could adapt it into my AU. It became a personal project that I find comfort in, and changing it would just feel wrong. And I know how my brain works (well, at least I think I do), I know I wouldn't remain as invested if I were by myself, I need to share it with other people. And I doubt they would be as interested if it wasn't for the connection to HK. I think that's natural and to be expected.

So all that leaves me in a bit of an awkward spot. I love HK, but over the last year I built a wall around me and the sandbox of my personal interpretations, that creates this disconnect between me and the rest of the fandom. I don't think that fact alone makes me upset, either. There's a reason why I'm still sitting there and playing in that sandbox to this day, and it's because I genuinely love doing it. I guess the disconnect just feeds into my already existing confidence issues and worries. Then again, I haven't really left the fandom, and I'm not planning to anytime soon. All I'm hoping for is that my low-confidence plagued brain improves, and stops telling me I'm doing something wrong by playing in the sandbox by myself.

Okay, not by myself, that would be selfish of me to say. There's still a lot of you here, people whom my silly AU clicked with, people who want to see more of it and are still there for the 6th slice of life drawing of the week. I love and appreciate you all, and I'm really grateful I can share the sandbox with you. You're the best, thank you from the bottom of my heart. I'm so, so happy that you found something in my art that resonated with you.

I don't know how to end this post tbh. Again, it's not really meant to be a vent post, not the usual kind at least. Even if some things about this frustrate or upset me a little bit, I think I'm slowly moving towards the acceptance stage. I don't want to change my interpretations so they're more in line with the rest of the fandom, and I don't want to force myself to engage with things that upset me just to feel like I belong. All I'm hoping is that I eventually stop having doubts; about this, and everything in general.

I guess I just wanted to share my thoughts. Maybe someone else feels like they're in a similar spot. Maybe hearing some words of encouragement that I'm not going insane with this would also help me accept the position I'm in. Maybe it's Maybelline.

#getting this off my chest felt nice #makes me wonder if anyone else has ever experienced something similar to this #not just with hk but in general #gekko.txt #feral pk au

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chirpsythismorning · 11 months

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What 'early breakups' are you even talking about? Steve and Nancy's? Lucas and Max's? Nancy and Steve broke up in an 'ambigious' way and it happened what? After the Party mess and when Nancy was drunk... so that did not exactly even happen that early into the season. Lucas and Max were broken up off-screen so they could get together.

They want Milvn to break up permanently in an unambiguous way, without any possibility of them romantically getting together while at the same time asserting their importance to each other on a personal sense with the show's narrative.

How's an early and quick breakup where El just goes 'i am done bye' does that, with the knowledge we have that El drew strength from Mike based on love, not hatred. The words 'Mike's hands were pulling her from her drowning' and other variations are not about El drawing strength from anger...

Sorry if you felt like I was calling you delusional. Pointing out that the almost entire fandom is willing to ignore canon narrative is not calling someone delusional it is just a fact. It's not even an interpretation.

We cannot expect to really expect anything going into S5 when the fandom almost consistently ignores canon and prefers to go by fanon instead. All the analyses then become heaaaaavy handed but very misguided expectations from an analyzing standpoint.

Yes all of those couples followed a somewhat similar pattern of breaking up early on. But specifically the Steve/Nancy/Jonathan love triangle is what I’m referring to.

In s1 they separated early on and the rest of the season Jonathan and Nancy were a focus, which allowed us to root for them the whole season, besides the beginning and end. In s2, they had their fight at the beginning revolve around Nancy not being able to say I love you, which allowed us to root for them for the rest of the season and followed by them getting together.

Mike literally refers to him and El’s fight in s4 as 'a fight that you can’t come back from', a fight that paralleled his sister’s fight with her first boyfriend, who she also ended up being broken up with after that incident, not years later, because we all know that that wasn't a fight you could just push under the rug and save for another time, it had to be addressed.

The thing is, the time jump for s5 is likely to occur early in the season, because the cast's age difference is something they don’t want to be too distracting. The earlier the time jump, the more they film stuff post time jump, accommodating to that age gap between s4-5.

So having Mike and El’s break up be midseason, means that’s Mike and El would presumably be ignoring all of the deep and very hard to ignore problems in their relationship, for those initial epiosdes, and then for another 1-2 years depending on how long the time jump is, which I just don't see happening. I don't see them putting on a show of a romantic relationship for much longer, and that's based on how S4 ends. For them to go from not talking and staying within at least like 3 feet of each other in those last moments, tells me that they're not going to be gravitating towards each other the way romantic love interests do, the way Mike and Will are doing at the end of the season in direct contrast.

I think holding off on it until mid-s5, is arguably even more ambiguous than what I would imagine is going to happen if it’s addressed sooner rather than later. Because that would mean them just awkwardly dancing around it and acting like it's not going to happen, even though we know it's inevitable.

Because Mike and El’s problems were highlighted in s3-4 in a big way. We saw how especially in s4 neither of them were being honest in their relationship. The romantic love there was lacking because neither of them were in it for genuine reasons, in terms of genuinely being in love and wanting to be together in a romantic way.

El craved normalcy bc she has always had so many things in her life making her feel different. Mike and his relationship with El is all he knows. And s4 made a point to build up just how impossible it is for them to keep this going and act like everything is okay when it’s not. Like did you see early s4, the fake sort of show they put on to act like everything was fine? Why would s5 be repeat of that? Why wouldn't they evolve that to show that their conflict is no longer something they can ignore, and instead convey that it was indeed a fight they can't come back from.

And I personally do not think that the break up is just going to be an 'I’m done, so bye!' scenario 🤣. Even if it was midseason, it wouldn’t be like that either.

It's a lot more likely that how El felt about their fight in early s4, and how she felt about his monologue, is going to at least be addressed and acknowledged in early s5, because the audience deserves that closure of knowing how El truly feels, with her being able to say it. Meaning that if they stayed together in early s5, we’d also need El in early s5 saying she loves Mike too and to actually resolve that conflict with her actually being able to even respond to it.

And with them breaking up and byler being endgame inevitable, I just highly doubt they’re going to play this game all over again, only to rip it away haphazardly.

She started the show barely being able to say a couple of words. And now despite the fact that she can talk and speak for herself, she hasn't been granted that affordance in the narrative. Instead her brother confessed her love for her, using all things that applied to him. If they wanted to give us El's genuine feelings about Mike, they wouldn't be identical to her brothers and given from him. That's just soooo sad and not fair for anyone in this situation and that's why it needs to be addressed.

We know she was upset with Mike calling her a superhero in their fight, we know that she looked at him with this frustration that he was still not getting it. That was like the climax of their fight in her room, with her looking at him with fed up determination, because saying something like that was the last thing she wanted to hear. And if anything, her experience at Nina, where Brenner told her she needed to fly and revealed that he used her to find Henry from the very beginning, how would Mike saying she could fly and she's his superhero, be something that provides her comfort, when if anything it's just a similar thing being expected of her, without her having any say in it?

The whole You're regressing Eleven is literally hinting at this idea that El is holding onto something in her life that is keeping her in the past, in a situation that makes her development sort of go backwards, and that is in large part highlighting her holding onto this idea that her and Mike are peak romance, despite the fact the that he isn't loving her the way she deserves. By staying with Mike despite knowing both of them are unhappy and forcing it at this point, is a huge regression to all of this build up leading to an inevitable separation, then being followed by them finally accepting themselves in each others lives without the obligation to be together because they met in the woods a few years ago and have felt this pressure to stay together ever since.

In their fight, she didn't want Mike to point to her powers as a way to deflect her genuine feelings about their relationship and her insecurities with him not being able to love her the way she wants, as a person and not as someone who can keep saving the day for him. And so how would him again saying she is a superhero, HIS superhero, suddenly be what she wants to hear in the end after everything she went through?

The problem with that moment in the script is that it's the only thing that is supporting the assumption she was happy with Mike's monologue. Everything else in the story goes against that. All of s4 makes it very clear that that was not what El wanted from Mike.

This is a big part of the reason byler makes sense, because they follow an I didn't say it/You didn't have to approach to love (show don't tell). Mike never should have had to say I love you for El to believe it. If it was something genuine between them, completely natural like breathing, El wouldn't have asked of it from him. But he made a point to struggle with merely writing it, avoiding it at all costs, making El feel even more insecure that there was something wrong with her causing Mike not to love her anymore. And the monologue didn't fix that.

You don't have to apologize but you also don't have to get upset and say everyone in the fandom is wrong, but you're right. If you truly believe that, continue to and leave other people alone. If people are on their posts saying how they feel and it upsets you, block them.

My problem is that everything leading up to byler, that makes it make sense, is at it's core what lead to Mike and El having conflict in the first place. And not addressing that and leading on Mike and El fans, for shock value isn't exactly good for the narrative. And it's never been good for the narrative which is why they like to address it early on so that we can move on to focusing on the pairing that they want us to root for.

Arguably, a break up before the time jump allows for byler to get together well after Mike and El separated instead of mere days/weeks. I would think with how much people are going to have a hard time with considering byler as it is, the time jump happening after Mike and El's break up would allow them to accept that Mike and El are for sure done and have been done for a while, and Will isn't some rebound because Mike is feeling insecure and he'll just be with him the second him and El end things.

How I imagine a mid-season 5 break up is that it would be even more ambiguous than an early one, because it would require El and Mike to ignore their problems for five episodes when there really is no reason to do that with how obvious it was that their fight was a fight that you couldn't come back from. And addressing that is what will allow us to watch El actually experience closure on screen and then be able to focus on Max and working with everyone to beat Vecna. If the whole audience is watching at the edge of their seat being led on the whole season that Mike and El have a chance of getting back together, they're not going to be able to focus on El's arc as an individual character, bc they're going to be waiting for Mike and El to make up and be together.

But then when it doesn't happen, and they've been led astray unnecessarily even more than the previous 2 times, we'll only have a mere 4 episodes to build up them being a platonic pairing with it being blatantly obvious that the audience needs to accept it AND that we need to accept Mike and Will being romantic.

Whereas with an early s5 break up, by episode 3-4 we will know that they are not together and can focus on the new conflicts that have arose from the final season, because dragging on stuff that has already been heavily built up in s4 as being a problem, just to give us the most obvious anti-climactic outcome halfway through in the middle of all the new storylines they are focused on, would fall flat.

Mid-season is likely going to be made up of Mike and Will having a substantial amount of time alone. That's something that those early break-ups allows, so that we can have that development for them that is necessary in order for them to be endgame. Arguably as Mike and Will are going through that, El isn't going to be around to break up with him.

If anything I could see an early s5 breakup, with the audience being aware of it, but not Will. This would mean that Mike and Will's interactions could still be interpreted as romantic comfortably, but we would see for the first time Mike pining and Will still assuming that Mike could never feel the same, until maybe mid-season he finds out that they are indeed not together.

I can't subscribe to the monologue when all of the conflict leading up to it makes it abundantly clear that isn't what El wanted to hear. And we would see in mid-season 5 that El is just going to end up saying all of the stuff we already knew. She's not stupid. She knows that something is off with Mike, that was the whole point from the beginning. That inner struggle he is having is even more heightened and made obvious by the fact that Will was what encouraged Mike to say I love you in the first place. She heard all of that. And then she proceeded to ignore them at the cabin.

How s4 ended is not at all giving the impression El is going to start s5 by gravitating towards Mike and looking to him for comfort, it was actually the direct opposite.

If I were to subscribe to the monologue being a convincing love confession to El, at that point I'd rather Mike and El just stay together instead of holding off even more on facing the truth about the conflict of their relationship that didn't just get fixed by the words I love you. I'd rather byler didn't end up together if Mike is just stringing El along to inevitably choose Will over her anyways at the last minute.

I do think that I love you is what El thought she wanted to hear from Mike, but not like that. And it would be a disservice to her character to have the focus be on her hoping he might choose her for any longer, only for him not to.

If a bunch of people are interpreting the show this way, then there's a good chance that they could be right. We were right about byler being endgame and all of our reasoning is supported by the conflict that has been building up for seasons, and that love confession that paralleled to El beating Henry in 79', doesn't look like one rooted in love, whereas that first face off was. Mike's monologue was bathed in red, El's memory of her birth bathed her in light.

Will on the other hand is bathed in light from Mike's perspective, most prominently at the end of s4. That wasn't in the script, does that mean it's not important? Almost all of bylers moments aren't in the script, does that mean everything about them means nothing?

Feel free to subscribe to whatever you want to. If you end up being right you can say I told you so and live with that satisfaction! Personally, if I'm right, I won't feel the need to come and say I told you so, bc it's not about some sort of vindication for me. I don't even plan on doing that to redditors bc they're going to be dealing with that enough as it is. I'd rather them just insist we're crazy right now and let it all unfold and let the show speak for itself. If I have to subscribe with everything they think bc of the scripts, then I'd be pretty bored rn because all of the evidence for byler would essentially mean nothing and they're just being put together for no reason. All of that lead up meant something, otherwise their endgame wouldn't be satisfying, least of all if El is once again being framed as waiting for Mike to choose, only to not choose her this time. She deserves so much better than that. They all deserve better than that.

Will on one hand assuming for a little longer that Mike doesn't feel the same merely drags out the mutual pining leading to that endgame. El assuming for a little longer that Mike does feel the same is just making her plot regressive for no reason when she could be finally getting that independance arc, truly separated from being linked to Mike in a way that prevents her from truly progressing and knowing her worth and living up to that authentically.

We'll have to wait and see. But I don't see the use in coming in other peoples inboxes and directing your dissatisfaction with their interpretation of things as contradicting yours and so they need to just drop it and subscribe to what you think or else...

Everyone on here can interpret things how they want since there is still a season left and everything is still up in the air. If you want to blow off steam and say your piece on your profile, then do that and if other people resonate with it then that's great! You don't have to force other people to involve themselves with your narrative. If people are doing that to you, you have every right to block them because you also shouldn't have to have people in your inbox saying that your interpretation of things is wrong.

I'll continue to analyze and break things down as I choose. That's not stopping anytime soon. And IDK why you would want others to. It would be pretty dead on here if we all just stopped and believed everything we've been told superficially despite everything we've been shown contradicting that. If everything we're being told is all there is to it, you could argue byler isn't even happening. But most of us can agree that isn't the case.

I hope you can continue to analyze how you view things and embrace your interpretation instead of tearing others' down. We still have two years left, let's not make this more unnecessarily unbearable than it needs to be.

#byler #st5 speculation

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nibwhipdragon · 9 months

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For the choose violence asks, 9 and 10 for Sonic

OK OK I ANSWER THIS NOW!!!!!! YIPPEE

9. Worst part of canon

Ok I'll be real here. I haven't gotten through too much Sonic media atm (slowly working my way through, was only dragged back into it like in november) so I don't really have much to go off of for this. However, game plots are canon. Obviously. So I will use this to complain about my biggest plot complaint in any Sonic game I've played yet.

Sonic Frontiers. Literally almost Everything about the ending was basically the devs throwing stuff at a wall until it sticked and called it a day (with the time developing the game and the dev team size? I don't blame them, I blame the higher ups. Doesn't mean I can't be disappointed with what could've been). But the thing I hate the most about the plot?

SONIC'S CYBER CORRUPTION. OH MY. I LITERALLY CAN'T.

They spent a significant amount of time (hell Rhea was all about it) building it up. Sonic getting worse as he progressed through the islands. It came up so much to the point of having a whole island's story beat dedicated to it, making it CLEARLY a VERY IMPORTANT thing.

AND THEN THEY RESOLVE IT WITHIN SECONDS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? WHY.

Nothing at all? Just. Amy and Tails and Knuckles holding hands around him and for an unexplained reason going back to cyberspace and freeing him? Not only does it not make sense, but that is such a BAD RELEASE for plot tension!!!! You gotta drag it out!!! Slowly build up, then BOOM EXPLOSION!!!!!! and then the smoke fading from the explosion afterwards, but in plot format. If that makes sense. Even if they did something like a little cyberspace level where Sonic runs through a crimson red cyberspace with no rings + more than usual hazards, with little Amy/Tails/Knuckles themed things to help you get through it damageless, that'd be more satisfying than what they did. Literally what the hell. I hope that that was because of development hell and wasn't like that originally. Because if it was then I'll be in more Agony than before because WHAT THE HELL. WHY.

Oh yeah and also. Not really a thing I hate hate but. Not a fan of how Frontiers also made the IDW comics canon to the games via Sonic mentioning Tangle in a random voiceline that can happen or smth like that iirc. I feel like all the different canons (games, IDW, Prime, X, etc.) should be kept completely separate from each other yk. That's also a peeve I have with Prime, as much as I love it (even though I haven't finished S2 yet...). "Sonic Prime is part of the game canon" No it isn't ❤️

10. Worst part of fanon

If I'm honest. I don't really interact with the Sonic fandom as a whole the way I do with like. Monster Hunter and jjba and stuff. Only with my friends and a few select sonic blogs (thoam comic blog, starjoy, themetalvirus [egghog AU is VERY good], neurotypical-sonic, etc). But from what I've seen? Where would I begin.

I step 0.0038101 cm outside my typical Sonic group to look at new stuff and the likes and:

"He would not fucking say that" "He would not fucking do that" "She would not fucking do that you're just making her like that to get her out the way of your mlm ship" "Cool concept but they would not fucking act like that" "cool concept but there's nsfw" "Why are there so many werehog nsfw fics" "ok that's shipping sonic and tails. blocked" "he would not fucking do that" "damn the sonic/eggman shipping fanbase is surprisingly larger than what I expected" "He would not fucking say that" "absolutely insane fic of sonic getting everyone he knows into communism I never expected for actual communism theory to be in here but it's a crackfic so I'll let it slide just this once" "the ship dynamic is wrong they would not fucking act like that. They wouldn't even act like this in general"

There's only 2 people so far that I can 100% trust for good, in-character sonadow: Kirsten, and you. And even then Kirsten hasn't written too much for them (understandable) so it mostly falls onto you. You are my light in the darkness man. All of your Sonic fics are QUALITY. You get the characters. Your sonadow is fucking great. Like, you get them on a pretty damn intimate level. You can take their characters and put them in very different situations than usual (DNA Collision for example) and be able to show how they react to the situations and others, and how that'd affect things like relationships AND keep them in character the whole way! Also the way you like. Used sonadow and Tails' (understandable) reaction to Sonic forgetting about their plans and planning the date with Shadow over it to show the issues that'd eventually end up piling on top of each other and growing and festering until it would eventually turn Tails into the threat he is in the future. It's great for that too, you're not only writing them in character but you're also putting them into and applying them in very interesting situations! Relationships affect the people around them in many ways and I feel that (understandably) a lot of fics don't really show this. But you do and it's awesome. Impactful Skip is GREAT. And ofc the whole situation and having it be sonadow also creates a VERY interesting dynamic between Sonic and Shadow. Love that.

.....yeah ever get carried away. Yeah. That was just meant to be me talking about how you and Kirsten (mostly you bc you simply have more of it) are the only 2 people I can reliably find good sonadow from to show how Bad the state of fanon is when it comes to sonadow but it just turned into gushing about your fics. Got a little sidetracked from the violence and hate and turned to love. Hope you enjoyed the me loving your fics jumpscare 👍

#the stuff I've seen in sonic fanon is actually wild #i can't even begin to describe.#ask game answers

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dolconfessions · 2 years

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Whitney stans scare me. Honestly, if you like fanon tsundere Whitney that's cool, if you like canon Whitney being their usual cruel self that's cool too, you do you boo. What I think is delusional is seriously trying to excuse their actions with speculations that aren't even confirmed. And I'm not talking about people theorizing about them possibly being a more complex character or the people who wish they had more soft moments. It's the people who actually think Whitney is some misunderstood poor baby that just needs some love... it's weird and creepy...

I think you make a good point for why this game is for adults.

Almost none of the love interests are good people and almost none of the relationships are healthy. Even if you were to take out all the 18+ content you’d still have to be a mature adult to separate what’s acceptable in fantasy and what in reality. Most of these relationships would be straight up abusive and toxic in real life.

For example:

I like Eden, no I love Eden, but IRL they are a fucking psycho if you think about it. They nearly shoot you and then kidnap you until you get Stockholm syndrome! AND IF YOU ARE GONE FOR TOO LONG YOU GET CAGED! (Shout out to Necro for writing that!) In game pretty cool IRL traumatizing as all hell.

Even fan favorite (at least that’s what I think?) Kylar would be awful IRL. No hygiene, impolite to your friends, tries to kidnap and marry you, gets violent and pretty much ready to murder others STEALS YOUR UNDERWEAR WHILE YOU BARELY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY BAILEY. etc. Like sure I get the appeal of a yandere in game, but irl someone like Kylar would be a extremely toxic partner.

And this goes for pretty much all the characters besides Robin and maybe Sydney and Alex. (The beasts are IRL problematic for a whole different reason you know what I mean.)

I have to say though both some Whitney stans and some Kylar stans creep me out a bit. I think it’s to be expected that two opposite characters with their own “rivalry” would get their own fans that hate the other character, but I’ve recently noticed some people go a little too far. Which is why I appreciate your more understanding view and your valid opinion on some of the Whitney stans.

I personally like theorizing about all characters including Whitney, and I like the fanon theory that there’s more to them then we see, but that might actually not be the case.

They may simply be a huge asshole let’s be honest.

#dol #degrees of lewdity #whitney the bully #dol discussion #gonna take posts like that from now on if people are only here for the kinky confessions #yes I am angry about the underwear stealing #i worked hard to afford them dammit!#eden the hunter #kylar the loner

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serpents-den · 3 years

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Honestly, over time, I have become convinced the only person Sirius would’ve had a potential romantic attachment to is James. I know people bring up the ‘they’re like brothers’ all the time but also discredit the Remus and Sirius’s descriptions as brotherly in the same breath. But Sirius and James seemingly never fought and Sirius was the only person James stopped showing off too. And if I’m being honest, Sirius and Remus act more like brothers. They fight, they distrust one another, they get jealous of the other (taken from remus’s bio). I honestly don’t get why wolfstar got as popular as it did. I’m assuming the POA movie made it more popular but literally it’s the most fetishized mlm ship I have seen in this fandom. And toxic shippers are so convinced of its existence they create falsehoods to attack those who disagree out of spite. Honestly there are better things to worry about and it’s just become ridiculous.

yes ! sirius and remus are friends and shit like im not taking that from anyone because from canon moments that's obvious . yet they have such a messy past of suspicion and distrust, they clinged onto each other for emotional stability because each reminded the other of better times where they were friends and james was still alive.

however, when it comes to james and sirius, that loyalty that ia between them it kind of reminds me of severus and lily. no, i am not saying both relationships have to be looked at from a romantic aspect, i personally like to think of severus and lily's bond as an almost sibling one. it's just, james was probably the light, the scapegoat for sirius when he was ready to cut ties with his family, he was someone he relied on, he trusted and loved. hell, they literally had the wizarding equivalent of facetiming, like they just couldn't have enough of each other ! i loved that from them (because yes, i know it sounds like i hate the marauders 24/7 but being honest in most of my hp fanfics ive always written them just better behaved and becoming friends with both lily and severus at some point).

sirius lived with james potter for seven years and the boy was probably at the highest place in the ranking of loved ones he had. hell i know now its common to write regulus and sirius having a good brotherly bond, but like canon sirius would throw good ol' reggie under the bus for james any day.

anyway by this point im just ranting. yes, i see remus and sirius' relationship more to be a friendship/brotherly bond, but the fact they both were clearly not in perfect mental health condition proves to me that they clinged onto each other, dismissing their muddy past because im sure as hell they did not have that conversation, because they needed some ground to step on without feeling it creak.

we were friends, we still are, we made mistakes, both of us. you remind me of our times at hogwarts — when james was still alive. (my take on both of them)

to be honest, james really was the glue of the marauders, remus probably liked james better than sirius (james understood the financial problems he was having due to his lycanthropy and helped him, siriua exposed him to the kid they had bullied for years) and its obvious sirius liked james more than remus. okay the latter is not fair, sirius prefers james over anyone.

POA was ... a good movie i think, watching it as a kid was amazing bc everyone just had a glow up. like yes, we were reminded of puberty and now they looked way more mature from COS. we were introduced more vital people in harry's life and his parents', hell voldemort was pretty much SILENTTT during third year. it doesn't take a genius to think of why this movie, the book was from the start such a comfort for the public. i, however, hated it. snape had been one character i was interested in from the start, in POA, he was just in so kuch distress, it reminded me of my own panic attacks at a time.

so everyone liked POA, and everyone loves to fetishize gay men, gay relationships, homosexual males. that's what people do. they saw two grown men with a past, they had been separated for long, they had hugged when they encountered each other again. everyone was bound to go head over heels for the new shippable couple.

in my experience in this fandom, i probably have seen drarry the most fetishized pairing. which okay, i don't want to ship shame anyone unless it's for obvious reasons (toxic, age gaps too large for comfort, pedophilia, etc) but like draco stamped the shit out of harry i dont know how you people think life works but i would never let that be and then proceeded to eat their mouth.

either way wolfstar is weird for me, i simply read the books and not think theyd do well together at all. also there's fans that now live by fanon and make shit up and dismiss canon occurrences and will hold fanfics as canon material and then be extremely defensive about their shit. either way some of yall don't know shit about fandom etiquette and it SHOOWWWSSS.

#serpents den's asks #anti wolfstar #i think #idek #remus lupin #harry potter #hp #sirius black #james potter

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tothedarkdarkseas · 2 years

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Y'know it's funny you mention the whole 2D/Stu thing because I was thinking back to some older writing I did. I realized I used 2D for a portion of it and then tapered off into Stu/Stuart (completely on purpose as they all weren't rock stars anymore after realization set in). There's something inherently human about calling him Stu or Stuart. Makes writing him feel slightly less cartoonish. I dunno, maybe that's me lol. I do prefer Stu/Stuart though, if I'm honest.

It's definitely not just you. I sometimes think I leaned too hard into the Stu thing for my own good, because it almost makes reading and writing "2D" slightly jarring; very very slightly, like it takes half a second for my brain to register it. It's tripped me up a bit talking about Gorillaz to friends, as they don't really know the names of any of the band members to begin with, and it only becomes more confusing when I continually refer to one as Stu and then correct that because very little canon material they may come across will refer to him that way. To some extent, I appreciate that there's sort of a built-in separation between the slapstick cartoon canon and the potential for a more realistic fanon. I only speak for myself of course, but I do feel that it would take something away from the writing process, considering the bleak tone of it all, to use a name that felt too punny or clever to be real, or too cartoonish to fit in a piece of human drama. "Stu" tends to be a shorthand for how much of a scumbag you're writing, haha. No question that I prefer Stu and Stuart, to the extent that I just discarded 2D from my vocabulary and thanked god that no commenters ever demanded answers for it.

#thanks!

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pinktatertots99 · 3 years

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🔥 Feelings on the canon ships of Homestuck?

Send Me a 🔥+ a Topic, and I’ll Tell You My Honest Opinion About It

god am i gonna need to go with the sequals too? just og or all ships that’re considered canon by the end? whatever i’ll just go in order in what might be the ‘canon’ ships from all three of these categories. this is gonna be fucking long so anything and everything is under the cut. also i’m SO not gonna add hiveswap that can be its own separate ask. so:

roxygen: it’s a cute ship...but the sequal vers is garbage considering how inconsiderate roxy is to john’s feelings and his house burning down like damn rox this is the guy who sat with ya as ya mourned doom rose’s death give the guy some fuckin time himself.

rosemary: also cute ship...sequal versions are fuckin godawful tho. their barely a thing in meat from wha i can gather and then there’s candy...oh CANDY kanaya deserves better fuck this sense of her sayin she’s over it idc if it was off screen, even then half the cast ate stupid pills during that time so WHY must i be surprised that this is wha happens?

dave/kat: i dun like it. in either universe. meat is just perfect gay bois who have occasional deep talks and literally do nothing else while candy they split up thanks to jade which, geez ya guys must’ve been shit to tell her to fuck off like come on. og hs wise i barely consider them canon if we only get pictures and them just being on equal footing on quadrant talk. not to mention dave implied to be crushing on jade and JOHN not karkat, idk where this couple even came from other then love triangle situation with terezi but like, that’s barely much of a reason to become canon. i’d go with em bein pale/moirails more.

jadedave: i’m guessing candy and meat i thought meat implied they were dating but may aswell. so....it sucks but thats because candy and meat suck, meat dave’s basically cheating on her i didnt hear any implication they broke up and she’s like...chill??? and then there’s candy where she literally forced him and kar to break up and dated after dirk apparently died, i do not like the implications of this whole thing. course candy dave is dead and a robot now so...anyways canon wise dave had a crush on her and if jade does like him i’d hope it’s not cause of davesprite cause despite both being dave’s they were different. it’s cute otherwise.

davepetajade: it’s...cute? i guess? idk i kinda found davepeta a bit...idk overwhelmingly overrated? like i know where their popularity came from but readin the series now after all that hype i dont really see it anyways tho it’s basically davespritejade with nepeta in the mix. and idk nothin implied much of nepeta liking jade, or talkin to her much. and davepetasprite is a mesh of both so idk. it’s a ship with cute fanon works of em hanging with outfits but that’s bout it.

janejake: i hate it. legit. this is disgusting and completely throws out jane’s character. like even in the fixed timeline the talk she had with dirk probably still happened on the god bed’s and how she acknowledged wha she thought was wrong on wantin jake’s kids and so on trickster still happened and how she also realized she might’ve overhyped jake. but lets throw it ALL out the window to force jake in an unhappy marriage in both universes and possibly force him to stay in candy due to having tavvy if i’m reading the implications right. even then jake isn’t good for jane either both got their own needs this ship would’ve been sunked in canon and WAS but the sequals are beyond it so maybe that explains it but it disgusts me.

roseterezi: guess in meat specifically. yeah i kinda dont...care for it, like i still cant tell if rose and kanaya broke up or if she just fucked off without breaking up either one is fucked up on kan’s behalf. even then i just dont care for their kismesis it got brought up once and that was it.

jaderose: candy wise i guess even tho it was a fling. it disgusts me still mostly because of kan’s behalf on bein fucked over and both goin through a ‘surrogation’ process without her notice. like fuck this shit the jaderose fans deserve better.

roxycallie: idk if this one’s canon but it’s heavily implied callie lives with roxy least in candy. it’s cute, cant deny it even in og it was pretty cute, dont really care for candy vers tho but then again maybe their not a couple in it idk what’s canon couples anymore.

johnterezi: literally fucked in meat universe and john has kismesis feelings for her in canon. it’s...interesting, idk tho i feel like it’s one sided on john’s side.

ms paint/spade slick: i cant deny it’s cute, he’d least know how to treat a lady but god i’d hope it wouldnt be his only defining trait with her. also want ms paint to call his bullshit out pls and thanks.

dirkjake: honestly i cant tell if their STILL canon in og or not god forbid the sequals. in general though...i dont. i honestly dont really like em together much. they seem like the type to least stay friends but idk bout another relationship would be a good idea for em. maybe later down the line but otherwise canon wise they need a break.

and now for the canon one timer ships this involves any ships implied, uncomfirmed, ex-relationships, crushes, etc:

arasol: it’s cute, best ship. their quadrant was never confirmed but regardless their cute. sol tho in the sequals deserved better then to get abandoned by aradia goddamn.

fefsol: also cute, i live for both of em bein ass’s together.

erisol: oh boi this one...this was...yeah i cant even deny they wouldnt be too healthy, i like lookin at fanon ways tho for em. canon wise tho yeaaaah no these guys definietly wouldnt work.

gamtav: it’s...cute but boi gamzee needs some help i think.

gamsol: -sollux did imply he either wanted a kismesis or matesprit with him in one of the flashes- again same as gamtav.

aradia/equius: BIG NOPE nope nope nope equi that’s weird wha ya did never do it again thank fuck aradia hasnt been around him since.

karterezi: their actually kinda cute, looking back on em they could’ve worked. stupid doomed timeline bullshit.

daverezi: also kinda cute, idk tho if i got flushed for em tho i get more pale vibes but it was semi-a thing.

kanvris: it’s baaaaad kanaya deserves much better and vriska never seemed much the type for cementing into a relationship.

vristav: even worse, like i’d like to thank fuck tav one up-ed her in the end cause fuck wha he had to go through.

karmeenah: it...could be cute? maybe? only iffy part is the ages, i thought the dancestors were like sixteen tho since the kids said they were teenagers even tho they were at the time about fourteen? idk tho if eighteen is considered an adult in alternia or not tho it’s kinda implied to be? anyways tho it’s just off puttin maybe a bit tho.

meenahvris: it’s kinda cute, it was atleast, idk lookin back it does feel more unhealthy.

rufidama: baaaaaad i love rufi but he’s got some bullshit he needs worked out and damara deserves someone better.

rufihorr: just as bad as above, both deserve someone better or atleast horrus does with some therapy on it rufioh i think should just chill on relationships but it’s so obvious their not meant to be.

mitula: it’s cuuuuuute i cant deny it, ...okay fanon vers is canon is barely anything and tula does give more pale implications for tuna but with how protective she was over damara near him it’s sweet, but god do i wish canon tuna gave more feelings for tula.

kantula: it’s...creepy. like it’s so obvious the vantas bois cant communicate well but kankri’s crush feels almost pressuring on tula when he kept goin about them and goin “oh but we’re totally friends and i’m celibate so it’s okay its whatevs” like kan go to a corner give tula some air to breath.

crotuna: BIG NOPE cronus needs to learn fuckin boundaries thirsty fish bastard.

should i even add cro//eri due to the fact he literally asked an eridan out? regardless gross, ew, no, i’ll take the fanon ampora brothers anyday canon i didnt fuckin need that thx.

porrnea: it was implied to be more of a fling. idk considerin aranea’s track record i cant really say i’d trust her in many flushed quads. and porrim seems the type to have hers open and not a closed off thing so idk they got different cases.

aranea/jake: i cant deny it’s fuckin cute, i’d would’ve loved if they tried to do somethin but aranea was definietly uhhh not a good choice for jake. least she backed off when he didnt wanna be kissed but man yeah, it was cute while it lasted.

kurmeu: i cant deny the idea kur forced himself quiet due to hurting meu hurts me in a sweet way but as of rn them bein ‘pale’ and him mind controllin her when we dunno if she’s alright with this or not is...disturbing.

vristerezi: i am HIGHLY doubtful this is canon considering everything but i guess i gotta cement this. i dont see em as canon in og or sequal wise since vris is still gone in both, even then i dont like, see it, i see it but idk man i like em more pale then pail.

erifef: honestly no. both are much too different for a relationship, kinda glad they uh...got cut short cause honestly even their moirailship wasnt healthy what’s to say a matespritship would? on BOTH sides mind you.

rosejohn: thank karkat’s shipping board. anyways, i think their cute cause fuck it rose is a bi-con to me, canon wise probably wouldnt work but i’ll take fanon.

vriseri: kinda glad they got cut short of their kismesis cause boi eridan deserves a better one with how shit vriska was in breaking up with him.

johnvris: it was cute, i cant deny i’m soft over how the two talked things about vriska’s life and john’s it’s just kinda cute. it’s obvious tho canon wise with wha john went through it wont work out. would’ve loved if they became moirails tho but o well canon is god i guess.

spadePM: i dont like much of their implications, would be an unhealthy relationship regardless considerin spade’s flushed and PM’s pitch, they deserve some therapy and other people.

dadbert/momlonde: their cute i like the implications of em, sad they died though, it was cute while it lasted.

meowrails: may aswell count moirails in this shipping mess. anyways their cute, they gimmie sibling vibes course equius early into it was so...not a good moirail.

kurtuna: i guess it might be cute moirails? idk tho with kurloz’s implications it concerns me.

gamkar: as moirails...karkat was fuckin shit at his job i cant sugarcoat it. i get where it’s from he’s not gam’s lusus and shouldn’t be forced to check on him during his time of gettin high and such, i get they were kids, but god gam kinda deserved a better moirail. and then later on in the series it gets more fucked up between kar gettin stabbed by him and both in a pretty unhealthy moirailationship to the fixed timeline where gamzee is just shut into a fridge and kar doesnt fuckin care, like dude, wow. gamzee was bad yeah but damn, harsh a tad.

terezigam: as a kismesis it’s almost disgustingly unhealthy to me and honestly terezi deserved better and gamzee maaaaybe shouldn’t get a kismesis, ever, unless he can sort his shit out -the sequals tho wont do that lol-

minorly gonna count johndave in this: idk if i can see john reciprocating for dave so dave’s crush on him almost kinda hurts, especially since fixed timeline dave’s john is well, dead and our john is probably still different from his john, has angst but man i kinda dont mind it as a one sides crush it’s nice confirmation of dave bein bi atleast.

nepetajasper/jasprose: i cant see it, it’s disturbing i guess. i like em more as friends but jasprose is probably more creepy bout it.

signless/diciple: i think considerin the implications they were fuckin adorable and deserved the best.

summoner/mindfang: it’s kinda sad considerin its implied mindfang’s love for him might’ve been one sided, they could’ve been cute tho.

orphanor/mindfang: probably sounded like the best kismesis’s until he murdered dolorosa.

dolorosa/mindfang: BIG NOPE i dun like the implications.

condence/orphaner: since it’s implied orphaner had a crush on her, gonna say tho big nope considerin condence is a bitch.

condence/lord english: its hard to decipher their relationship in canon, but to cover all my bases it’s big nope to me somethin bout it makes me uncomfy despite both bein bastards.

#home stuck #hs #the pink one speaks

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the-snakes-court · 4 years

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A Rant about Characterization (with pictures!) Prinxiety edition

Fueled by @dukeofonions recent dissection of canon Prinxiety and the slew of Prinxiety comments on their blog, I made this originally as an addition to one of their posts, but it got too long and too out of hand, so I’m putting it as a separate thing. So, here’s my problem with Prinxiety [and as a part of that, the fanon versions of Roman and Virgil].

It’s always the same thing over and over and over again. Cool, charismatic Roman charms the shy, flustered Virgil. And while that may have some novelty at first, it’s rather flat characterization and not even vaguely true to canon at that. Roman in canon is dorky and awkward and excitable and insecure as hell. Virgil is much more confident and aggressive and deliberate. If I were to call either of them “cool” (which I hesitate to do since they’re both dorks in their own ways) it’d be Virgil. Roman is hardly cool. He tries to be, sure, but every time in canon that he tries to be “cool”, it’s treated as a joke because he’s awkward and a little out of touch and that’s what makes him endearing.

I have less of a problem with ooc Roman than I do with ooc Virgil or Logan. I don’t know why and it isn’t fair of me, but that’s how it is. However, there are things that will bother me when I read a Roman fic. I recently rewatched the series, which was something I hadn’t done in a while, and more and more things are jumping out at me. Mainly, Roman is a huge nerd. He geeks out over his favorite things, he fangirl squeals, and he will never hesitate to bring up his passions, even when the timing is inappropriate. Roman doesn’t seem to know how to really read a room, he’s impulsive, he can be cruel, and the only “cool” things he does or says are his nicknames. And that [mostly] isn’t just my opinion. He yells for Thomas to pick the phone back up almost instinctively, even while in the middle of apologizing, in Moving On Part 2. He can’t stop insulting Virgil even when trying to get him to come back. He goes on a dorky ramble when Virgil pops up with his new outfit and Roman accidentally insults him. And Roman’s dorkiness and impulsivity is a huge part of why I love and identify with him. A lot of fics take that out and you’re just left with a bland, “cool” dude for Virgil to fall in love with.

And sure, Virgil is the embodiment of Anxiety, but he acts more “fight” than “flight”. I am an avid consumer of fics, especially in quarantine. If I had a dime for every time I read about Virgil starting to blubber and cry over little things or run off and hide, I’d be richer than Jeff Bezos (an exaggeration. calculations now say I would have roughly 100K). And this woobification of him really bothers me because he’s such a cool and complex character in the series. To be honest, the unsympathetic fics capture the nuance of his character more than any other genre and those fics exaggerate the characters’ worst traits. Like, imagine there’s a scale from Vwigwil to Virgil to Evil Virge

Like this. And on the far left, we have (normally) fanon Virgil

That’s a rather large increment away from canon Virgil. Now, to write an unsympathetic Virgil, one would have to move it to the left by exaggerating the negative aspects. If you start at canon Virgil and exaggerate, you’ll get super ultra evil Virgil!

Now he’s a rather rare one and honestly kinda fun to see in the wild. But he’s rare, since what ends up happening, is that people exaggerate starting from fanon Virgil instead of canon.

And while it may be a bit more “evil” than canon Virgil, it’s still a closer characterization.

Which is kinda sad in my humble opinion. Because sure, exaggerated woobified or idealized characters are fun sometimes, and even ooc characters can be interesting, but it’s all I see. These days I spend more time picking apart characterization as I try to read a fic than I do actually immersed in one. I don’t like to do that. Truly. It brings me no joy in mentally arguing with a fic because “Virgil would never.” or “Roman said what??”. I read fics to escape from my life and sink into one with familiar and fun characters. I want an immersive experience. But it’s so hard to take the story seriously when Virgil is in his room stuttering and crying because Roman made one mean joke [not a real example by the way. I am in no way targeting any individuals]. And there are wonderful fics out there who do a lovely job characterizing that hit around the middle of the scale, but not quite. And there seems to be a recent trend towards that. But that does not eliminate the thousands and thousands of fics every year that work essentially as copies as one another.

I’m not saying all of those fics are terrible and the writers suck or anything like that. Write what you want. I’m just saying that there’s an over abundance of a certain thing and it’d be interesting if more people tried to deviate from it.

But, who knows? maybe it’s popular for reasons other than familiarity and I’m missing the point.

#prinxiety #roman sanders #virgil sanders #ts discourse #fandom critical #a rant about characterization #the jester speaks #also #i find it interesting #that i dont ever see woobified virgil as the villain in a story #like that's a characterization that's probably been seldom explored #disclaimer #a lot of this is just my opinion #if you disagree #then that's chill

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I'm not trying to be combative but your most recent post about brown jon really rubbed be the wrong way. Though less common, there *are* black Jons, in my experience, and plenty more south east asian Jons. Though I will admit they are less immediately recognizable, they are still Jon. The biggest difference is unlike the majority of other characters without a canonical race, Jon's default is not white. You can dislike fanon, but you've taken protest with a very specific piece of it.

I didn't say they weren't there, I said I hadn't (knowingly) seen them. I will freely agree that I've picked a pretty bad hill to die on here and I'm struggling to express myself clearly - whether that's because I'm tired and not able to properly focus on what I'm saying it whether it's just that my perspective legitimately just doesn't hold up and I haven't quite come to terms with that yet, I couldn't say.

Fundamentally while I have more of an issue with the fanon version of, say, Martin than with the fanon version of Jon, I a) have seen more variations on the theme of Martin and b) honestly given the past tendency of fandom to normalise at 'chubby-cute short white mlm w sweater vests and bow ties and glasses' I just sort of went 'ugh yeah that tracks'. Thinking about it, yeah, I HAVE zoomed in on Jon partially because it's unusual for fanon to default to something outside of whiteness, but it's not (as far as I'm aware) that I think it SHOULDN'T default to anything but white, I am just surprised by it, which is why I have felt like I'm missing some key piece of information. And a big part of that is that prior to this White Jon conversation, the vast majority of TMA fandom that I individually have come into contact with have been white. Now that this conversation is happening, and now that I'm on Tumblr and just seeing a lot MORE TMA content, I am coming to realise that it was very shortsighted to extrapolate from that to the fandom at large, but my initial reaction was very much in the context of white fanartists. So my confusion and frustration has been - why this character specifically? What am I missing? And because of that it felt very arbitrary, and the more I'm thinking about it and taking about it the more I'm feeling the weight of my irritation with WTNV fandom from back in the day come in. Because like my outsize reaction isn't just in reference to other characters in TMA fandom (grabbing a shovel as I prepare to dig myself deeper) - it's an accumulation of years of frustration that characters that to me were almost explicitly, or actually explicitly, not white have been being drawn as white as standard for years, but all these white fans can agree as an almost absolute baseline that Jon isn't white? and they can make that decision with no canonical backing and often without really knowing why themselves, but FitzChivalry is white and Cecil Palmer is white and Lyra is white and so on despite being explicitly/semi-canonically described as non-white and/or played by non-white actors and/or being more substantially coded as something other than white? So YES the specific frustration behind me making an arse of myself about Jon is not separate from the fact that he's a rare example of a consistent fanon that isn't white for no reason, but my reaction, at least consciously, isn't "he shouldn't be brown because white is default" it's "why is THIS the character that's brown by default when so many characters implied to be people of colour somehow end up white by default?" because as I've said to ME Jon reads as definitely white (and some of that's based on things in actual canon and let's be honest most of that's based on the fact that it's............Jonny......... who's Very White....and for me as someone who came into this as a Friend Podcast that's kinda hard to shake).

so I will say I have handled this pretty exceptionally poorly largely because the uh. the default whiteness certainly is informed by my own bias in that I have assumed I'm talking as a white person to white people which. um. is not so, because obviously it isn't. I'm not about to sit here and pretend I can categorically say how much of this is what I think it is and how much is unacknowledged racism on my part. 🤷‍♀️ I would say I pretty much assume that it's both.

Also I do want to apologise, both to you and to anybody else, for the long rambles. I really don't think in succinct ways and I want to think about this stuff as much as it merits, but I'm aware that I'm largely making the problem worse for everyone when I wrote these big long self-centred answers so. I am sorry about that (I would cut it but I'm on mobile)

#White Jon

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natsubeatsrock · 5 years

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The Rewrite of Fairy Tail: Bonus (Gruvia)

How will I handle Gruvia in a romantic sense?

Well, I've lived long enough. This might be one of the most contentious parts of the series. I alluded to this earlier, but there's no way I won't upset someone by posting this.

I feel the need to reiterate an important point I've made many times before in this series. My interpretation of how Fairy Tail should be changed is not the only way to change the series or even the best. Everything I'm writing is based on my own interpretations of the series. Even as that interpretation is filtered through multiple readings of the series and about five years of interactions with the Fairy Tail fandom, it is still only one person’s interpretation. I try not to apologize for having the biases I do and, at the very least, do my best to explain how I got to the conclusions I have come to.

I want to start there because there are a lot of interesting ways to deal with Juvia and Gray's relationship as it happens in canon. While I've been an outspoken critic of Gruvia's handling in the series, the possibility for change is not lost on me. I even mentioned a while back that I'd be more apt to make Gruvia canon over Nalu if I were behind Fairy Tail. Heck, I started typing the second draft of this post not long after the chapter in the sequel that implies Gruvia being more possible in the future. I could take any number of routes with Gruvia and find reasonable justification within canon to do so. However, I can only (seriously) go with one interpretation of the ship for rewriting Fairy Tail.

With that said, I want to divide Gruvia's development into three sections: Phantom Lord to Edolas, Tenrou to the Grand Magic Games, and after the Grand Magic Games. How do I want to change what happened during each section?

To be honest, I don't think there's much of a problem with Gruvia in the first section. If anything, I may smooth over some of the more contentious parts of this section of the series. However, I don't think that it would be a good idea for Juvia to not resemble her canon self in her over-the-top displays of affection for Gray. That feels like too much of a drastic change.

Though, as I mentioned before, it's after Edolas when things get interesting as Juvia starts to make more active attempts at a relationship with Gray. Even then, I don't want to do too much different before the end of the Grand Magic Games. Considering I want Juvia to have more interactions with her friends, she may get talked out of some ideas.

Some, of course, being the operative word. Like, does she decide to drug Gray into liking her and almost “destroy the guild” in the process? Probably not. Does she decide to go follow Gray and Erza on their mission? Probably, but not because she isn’t advised to do otherwise.

And then we get to the rejection scene at the end of the Grand Magic Games and we have a real decision to make. There are three ways I see this can be handled: a weak option, a hard option, and a soft option. As I like to remember them, they are interpretations from canon, fanon, and no one I know. (I tried to make them rhyme.)

The canon interpretation, as you may remember, is that Gray tells Juvia that he doesn't reciprocate Juvia's feelings for him. (Choosing a translation for that would be fun.) However, Juvia effectively rejects the rejection Gray has of her. In the original, Juvia sees it as a way to make Gray like her more. In Fairy Girls, this is clarified as Juvia interpreting Gray's rejection as him being shy with his feelings.

Frankly, it's hard for me to want to do this. The issue is not that Juvia likes Gray despite being rejected by him. Even if you want to argue that Gray isn't necessarily being sincere in his rejection, I don't think Juvia should act like his rejection doesn't matter. And if that actually was how he felt about Juvia, be it for the time or the rest of the series, it's incredibly disrespectful of Juvia to act this way. Effectively, it's a weak way to keep the Gruvia song and dance going along until Mashima decides to end it for all of us.

By the looks of it, a lot of fan writers seem to think the same way. Their attempts to write a Gruvia rejection scene have evolved into what I consider to be the hard option for a Gruvia rejection. For the uninitiated, allow me to ruin any Juvia x [not Gray] story you may ever read. As you can expect, Gray decides to tell Juvia that he doesn't like her. However, he does so in a way that makes it very clear that Juvia was not and will never be able to make Gray like her. This usually results in Juvia being in a state of emotional availability (to put it lightly, in some cases) for [not Gray] to sweep Juvia off her feet and make her forget about Gray. Often with, and/or leading to, sex.

While I don't terribly mind this in fanfiction, I don't love this as a reflection on Juvia's ability to be in a romantic relationship that doesn't involve Gray. Nor do I think that it's possible to do this and keep Gray as a sympathetic character, let alone in character. If you're writing a story not bound to the rules that I am, these aren't bad things, in my opinion. But considering I am writing the rewrite with the rules I’ve put on myself, I can't do this.

The third option is one I haven't really seen done by anyone trying to put Juvia in a ship that isn't Gruvia. Some writers may skip the second option but they'll just cut to Juvia in the relationship they're writing for or ignore Juvia liking Gray and not liking him entirely. (Again, that's fine but not for what I'm trying to do.) The idea is that Gray still rejects Juvia but it doesn't break her or their overall relationship. They are still friends and can work together, but Gray is not, at that moment, interested in pursuing a relationship with Juvia.

I don't even think it's wrong for her to still want to be with Gray or even continue to work towards making Gray like her. However, what needs to happen is that, from this point on, she should be more subtle about it. This means that the dynamic changes from arguably willful ignorance towards Juvia's feelings to an actual sense of misunderstanding between them where Gray thinks that Juvia is content with his answer even though she is not. This state shouldn't be terribly hard for people to spot out. I have ideas for how this can look but I don't want to spoil too much.

However, we get to what may be the most important question I can deal with: do they end up together? While I wouldn't call this a hard answer, I'm currently leaning towards no for at least three reasons.

First off, they didn't end up as canon. While Mashima seems to be pushing them towards a trajectory of canonicity, he didn't keep them together at the end of 545, my cutoff point for considering canon ships. While their conversation in that chapter has been interpreted by many to be a romantic on Gray's part, I can't say they're canon considering he left Juvia at the end of the chapter. At best, it means he's genuinely willing to start a relationship with her when he returns. At worst, he's only entertaining the idea. Only time will tell how Mashima goes with this. (We don't call the man Trollshima for nothing.)

Second, I don't really need them to be a couple. I don't know that anything is lost by Gray and Juvia not being a romantic couple. Much of the good about their relationship, as I interpret it, wouldn't be lost if they decided to stay friends and ended up in romantic relationships with other people. In addition to that, I'm not as invested in making them be a couple as I am for other smaller ships in the series I could also work with to make canon.

But more than either of those arguments, there is the big elephant in the room: Juvia's death. (What? Thought I forgot what day it is?) I don’t have a definite stance on whether or not Juvia should die around the same time she does in the original in my rewrite of the series. There are a number of factors going into my decision based on how it played out in canon that I can easily spend a separate post about why it's not an easy decision. However, it's obviously impossible to make Gruvia canon if I decide to kill Juvia.

Based on Part 19

#the rewrite of fairy tail #anti gruvia #ish? i guess?#it's more like #not really pro gruvia #but not as hard as i've gone on it in the past #also...#happy august 31st!#i need a name for this day #5 years in a row #i talk about juvia dying

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clarste · 5 years

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On the flip side, I'm genuinely thankful you frequently shared info about FMW here because it convinced me NOT to give it a try. I've grown legitimately weary of games of the genre and reading your posts made me feel that FMW goes way too far with fanon, making me feel I shouldn't go any further than I already did. I admit it might be a petty reason but that plus seeing how the chapters goes for way too long made me realize the game isn't for me and I appreciate that I got to know it early on.

The way I think of it personally is how much respect a work has for canon. It’s trivially true that if you ever try to tell a story that’s not literally the exact same story that was told in a canon game (with the exact same dialog), then you’re going to to have to make something up. And that’s gonna be fanon, that’s just how the cookie crumbles.

But what separates a good fanon from bad fanon in my opinion is how much it cares about canon. How much it seriously considers “well, what does this mean in the context of Gensokyo as we know it through dozens of games and plenty of print works?” It tries to construct a complete picture from the pieces that we already know, filling in the gaps with its own ideas. By contrast, lazy fanon ignores the picture entirely and paints whatever it wants based on what’s most interesting for the story it wants to tell.

From that perspective, FMW is in love with canon. It loves to throw in as many details as it can, and to be as honest to the characters as it can (albeit within its own limitations). It draws major plot points from works like Grimoire of Marisa or SoPM. When newer works contradict plot lines it has already established, it tries to write around that as best as possible. It devours all things Touhou and pops out its own thing. Maybe that only appeals to a particular kind of nerd like me, but I feel like it’s almost… a love letter to Touhou. I can really feel the writers’ love for it in every line, and that makes me happy.

And while I don’t know what other kinds of fanworks you’re thinking of, personally it really stands in contrast to something like Touhou Luna Nights, which is certainly fun and I loved playing it, but also doesn’t seem to care about Touhou beyond a surface level. Sure, there are cute things like the chupacabras running around in Remilia’s basement, but overall you could, like, take the entire game and surgically remove all the Touhou from it without changing much all that much. It only cares about its setting or characters in terms of broad archetypes. It didn’t need to be a Touhou game at all.

That’s just how I think.

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So... it's been years since I first read danganronpa. I was there back in the old days, when we didn't have an official english translation of the game and had to read it on somethingawful forums, when they called Monokuma "monobear" and had to censor "fuck" and "shit" to "gently caress" and "poopoo".

Ahh... the good old days.

But after seeing some people start to play the switch versions, and since I wanted to get my partner into it, I thought "why not?". And so, here I am revisiting it almost a decade later, as a 24 year old with a fresh mind. Some of my opinions of the characters have changed, and some haven't, so I'll get right into talking about them. We also played DR2, and I've revisited my old opinions about them as well, which I will talk about in a separate post. I will probably refer to them as a mixture of first and last names bc while the game refers to them as their first names (except in cases like Aoi, who they call "Hina"), the forum mostly used last names (except in Celestia's case, who was nicknamed "Celes" in that translation). Please try not to get confused.

DISCLAIMER:

I will only be talking about my feelings toward the characters for how they appear in canon, not whatever fanon version you have of them in your brain. Please try not to take offense to my review. Transformative works are valid, but let's not give credit to the canon author where it isn't due, yes? Also, I tend to review based more on personality and story content than character design itself-- so if you're a fan of a certain character bc of their design, you might find yourself insulted on their behalf by what I have to say about them. Sorry.

Also, please don't read this if you haven't completed DR1 and DR2 (bc even if this is only about the DR1 characters, I do refer to it here). Here there be spoilers.

I'm gonna go in order of the murders so it makes sense. Cool? Cool.

Chapter 1:

-Sayaka:

Idk what to say about her, to be honest. She's an interesting character, and part of me wishes she hadn't been killed off so soon (especially since I hate the trope of Woman Dies to Spur Manpain) but at the same time, her participation in the murder and her manipulation of Leon and Naegi is what makes her so interesting-- otherwise she'd be just another Cute Girl Love Interest(tm).

I do like the foreshadowing surrounding her as a manipulator since I am a slut for foreshadowing, with her talking about doing "nasty" things to acheive her dreams and Naegi's promise to protect her almost sealing his fate. I like her, but I don't think she reached her full potential either.

-Leon:

I'm sorry... I just can't bring myself to care about this guy. They really don't give him anything at all, and his reason for killing isn't even tied to the motive. (And you can't tell me it was genuinely self defense-- he had already beaten Sayaka when she locked herself in the bathroom. She had no weapons and had basically lost at that point. He could have left and told everyone else what happened and he didn't, which tells me he had a reason to want to leave, but they didn't go into it).

And part of me like, understands that the writers probably didn't want the audience to care about him too much since they built up Sayaka to be this lovable character, but it was like... everyone was crying over his execution while I'm just in the corner like "Y'all hear something?" At least they learned their lesson on that when they started writing DR2 (because love or hate Teruteru, his motive was sad and you can't deny that).

Chapter 2: (Into the Thicc of It because hoo boy I have feelings, please do not come for me.)

-Chihiro:

I absolutely adore Chihi; they're sweet, polite, smart, soft spoken, cute, and genuinely just a good person all around. They're a doormat to nearly an extreme and don't want to hurt anyone, but they also want to change and confront their weakness. Their character development could have been so baller and I will never not be furious at the way the game treated them. Yes, Alter Ego is an important part of the story, but still. We could have had all that if the programmer LIVED.

As for why I use they/them pronouns... I'm fine headcanoning Chihiro as transfem nonbinary, but reading them as a trans girl straight up is uncomfortable to me personally bc if I read it through that lens, it looks like a detransitioner narrative. And I can't with those bc it reminds me (a whole trans person) of trauma. This doesn't mean I hate the headcanon, or think anyone who HCs Chihiro as a trans girl is wrong; it just means I personally can't do it. Please do not revive Chihiro Disk Horse in the year of our lord 2022, and let's focus instead on what a wonderful and kind character they are.

-Mondo:

I... ugh. And I guess the Disk Horse continues. I WOULD have liked Mondo. I loved his friendship with Taka, his backstory with Daiya and the way he fronted as a strong guy while trying to hide his own weakness and complex as a little brother who would never measure up to his perfect big brother. I like his free time events where he speaks on his love for his dog. I liked how he faced his death with grace and accepted what was going to happen to him even though he arguably has one of the most brutal executions in the first game, and the final scene between him and Taka is nothing short of heartbreaking.

HOWEVER. Unlike my partner, I can't like him because even if his motive isn't truly transphobic in nature, it closely resembles many trans people's worst nightmares. The threat of coming out to someone and being faced with violence is a very real fear that every trans person faces, as well as having people misgender us and treat us as liars for concealing our AGABs after death. I know his real motive was about his jealousy and rage toward Chihiro for having the strength to confront his weakness when he didn't, hell, he even made the effort to keep their secret after their death, and I get it rationally... but when I first read this story, I was only around 15/16 and still coming to terms with my own gender and it hit close to home. I don't hate Mondo, nor do I love him, and I'm not indifferent to his existence either. I'm more just sad about the way they handled his character, and I get that DR is an ~edgy~ series but they could have handled this part of the narrative with more sensitivity and grace. He is not canonically transphobic, but he reads like a transphobe who killed someone for revealing their AGAB and I can't pretend it doesn't bother me. I don't blame his character for how the writers handled him, but it does make me sad.

Chapter 3:

-Kiyotaka:

I love this dumbass; like, you can love or hate him or think he's annoying, but you can't deny that he's funny. He may not have been the most well-rounded character (well... outside of his FTEs, but I try not to count those considering that most people will not experience all of them, and you have such a limited amount of time to spend with the characters before a murder happens) but I love him for the fact that he's not boring no matter what. He has a rigid moral system that he abides by, and it's interesting to see him bend and break when those morals are tested when his bestie turns out to be a murderer.

That being said... I kinda feel like they tossed him aside after ch2 and his arc wasn't complete when he died. I understand that he was being set up as Celestia's victim, but damn, it felt like the writers were like "LOL idk what to do with this guy so guess he's gotta die now" and it felt like, really messy and rushed. I will say that one thing I think DR2 did better was that a lot of the character arcs didn't feel as incomplete by the time they killed them off (except for like, Hiyoko I guess but again, that's another post) but Taka did not feel finished when he died. Idk if that makes sense at all. Also wtf was Ishimondo/Kiyondo. That was some of the weirdest character development ever.

-Hifumi:

Okay... unpopular opinion here, I know, but I love Hifumi. He's a king and y'all can fight me on this, I'm a huge Hifumi apologist. He's a funny dork who writes weird doujinshi and he respects women to the point that he's willing to bonk a bitch with a hammer when he believes that said bitch sexually assaulted his Girlboss Bestie. Yes, I know that arc is also about his weird feelings toward Alter Ego, but at the same time, can you blame him for that? He's a lonely guy, and the only person he considers a friend is obviously manipulating to him and won't listen to him about the things he likes, which is something that I personally can relate to.

And yes, I know he's kind of a pervert but he's nowhere near as bad as Teruteru or Soda, and people still like them. I'm p sure the reason people really don't like him is bc his design is not attractive (even for a fat character, and DR knows how to design appealing fat characters, just look at Twogami), and like, that's fine, whatever, but I do think he deserves better than to just be tossed aside. (Also yes I know he's responsible for Taka's death, and Taka is pretty beloved in the fandom, but it's not like a character being a murderer has stopped this fandom from liking them before???) Also, I don't care about the anime retconning this, Usami's design was influenced by him talking to Alter Ego about anime and you can fight me. (Even the pet minigame has Princess Piggles in her room!!!)

-Celestia:

Ah yes, Girlboss Gaslight Gatekeep herself. God, I love this evil goth bitch, she's great. Is she terrible? Absolutely, but she's terrible in the most entertaining ways, and she even makes herself a morally grey character by taking on a leadership role in the first two chapters. I love both her English and Japanese voices, but the English voice's change in accent to her just sounding like a 30 year old woman is so fucking funny to me. Like, she sounds like she pays taxes and I love it.

There are also a lot of interesting aspects to her in how she hides who she is and that a lot of her motive comes from her shame about the circumstances of her birth. Her lust for money isn't just about greed but wanting to change a part of herself so she can live her ideal lifestyle and kill the part of her that she perceived as ugly and plain. She's a complex character and is pretty fascinating in her own right. She's probably my favorite blackened in the first game (I don't count Sakura as a blackened since she's also the victim).

Chapter 4:

-Sakura:

GOD if she isn't the best girl. Her relationship with Asahina is everything, her loyalty and kindness and strength is everything, she has so many funny lines, and I even like her design. Ik a lot of people don't, but big strong girl who wears a cute sailor uniform is just so god tier. I do prefer her English voice to her Japanese voice, since it's way more respectful and less transmisogynist to have her actually voiced by a woman than pretend she's really a man or whatever (though we are not getting into that today).

Actually getting into her arc, she's got a really compelling one where she's revealed as the traitor, decides to oppose Monokuma to protect her friends, and even sacrifices herself for them in the end even though they were mostly horrible to her, refusing to murder any of them even if she might have been justified in wanting to do so. She's a really admirable character who stuck to her guns until the bitter end. Stan Sakura Oogami for clear skin.

-Asahina:

Yes I knoooow Hina isn't really a victim or a blackened, but her involvement is important to this case, and this case is important to her character development, so I'm putting her here anyway. She's such a good character in that she spends a lot of the game as comedic relief and another Cute Girl(tm) for fanboys to drool over, but whenever she loses her friend, she gets great character development.

You get to see her empathetic, humanitarian side when she calls everyone else out for hurting Sakura and trampling on her feelings when Sakura was just as scared and weak as the rest of them, and the fact that they bullied her and acted like she wasn't a normal person. Her arc with Sakura endeared her a lot to me as a character. In the end, it's her desire to do right by Sakura that encourages her to be brave.

Chapter 5 & 6 (Combining the two for an easier time):

-Mukuro:

...Honestly, not much to say about her. DR1 gives her nothing because she's in disguise as Junko the whole time. I kinda enjoyed her bond with Chihiro. I need to reread IF because it's been years since I have and I don't remember how she acted there.

-Junko:

Ah yes, the main mean girl herself. The ultimate despair. God, I love Junko. She's like the jonker except for women. She's so funny and entertaining and great. I can't wax poetic about how she's a complex character or whatever because she really is just a crazy bitch who wants the world to burn (even if her backstory is like, insane and I can kinda understand why she is the way she is), but I kinda like that simplicity sometimes in a villain, especially w/ female villains bc we don't often see female villains without them having some tragedy past motivating them (and it's usually tied to a man). My favorite girlboss.

Survivors (Minus Hina bc I addressed her):

-Naegi:

I don't have a lot to say about him-- I do love him as a protagonist, he's cute and a sweetheart and I think he gets decent development! I got all emotional seeing him, Kirigiri, and Togami again in DR2 just like I did the first time, it's like seeing your baby all grown up. But he does kinda suffer from Protagonist Syndrome-- the disease that main characters suffer from when artists sacrifice compelling and interesting traits that make them human in the name of making them likable and relatable so audiences can project on them. But he is a sweet boy who deserves good things, and it's cool how he goes from believing he's nothing special to becoming The Ultimate Hope, just for being kind and optimistic and continuing to go on even when everything has gone to shit. It's a pretty inspiring message.

-Kirigiri:

I am kinda torn on her. Don't get me wrong, I do like her and I think the buildup to discovering more about her character was well done. Also, she has sweet bonding moments with Naegi and everyone. She's a smart girl and iirc her backstory is pretty well developed in the spinoffs, even if they don't get all into everything in the first game. But I wish they had told us more of that in the game itself, especially since she's so tied into the plot.

And I guess that's part of my beef with the game itself-- it spends a lot of time getting you attached to the characters who die, and while that IS important for the deaths to carry weight, you also have to get us attached to the ones that live too. And FTEs, again, don't really count bc you only get a limited amount with everyone and there's no guarantee you'll use them on a specific person. DR2 does a better job at getting you attached to everyone outside of the FTEs and developing characters with the time it has. But I wish they had given us more on Kirigiri's backstory and motivations in the game itself, especially regarding her father and I wish we had a chance to see more vulnerability from her.

-Toko:

I'll admit that I didn't like her the first time around, and I'm still torn on her herself. I'm told I'll like her better if I play/watch Another Episode, but they don't have it for the switch, so I'll just have to wait. I'm also not a huge fan of the whole "Killer who has DID and Evil Alters" tropes and stuff (which is to say-- I despise it with my whole being and it makes me want to bite people, fuck you) but I like Genocide Jack. She's so fucking funny and her lines are iconic.

The whole thing she has with Togami is really toxic and creepy though, I do not understand people who want them to be cute and wholesome together when he isn't even the slightest bit into her.

-Togami:

Listen. LISTEN. I like him. Yes, I know, he's a jackass. Everything he does up until Chapter 4 makes him seem irredeemable, especially in Chapter 2. Like, he is wrong for that. But he also gets some of the best development in the fucking game, going from being an insufferable bitch who cares about nobody to taking leadership and trying to help everyone escape, and also giving Naegi chances to shine. I also love that even though he does go through that development, he's still himself: just as bitchy and haughty as ever even if his values changed.

That's all for this round, stay tuned for round 2 where I talk about DR2 and... Komaeda lol.

EDIT:

OH I forgot about Hagakure... well, anyway, bye everyone!

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