#i hate this myth so much

[vulpixhoney]

I'm sorry but this is so annoying. I understand that there's already inconsistencies in the original Percy Jackson series (and I have beef about that too mind you) but the whole Athena cursing Medusa bullshit isn't even Greek, it's roman! That "retelling" was written by the Roman poet Ovid specifically to slander Athena. Ovid hated Athena so he made us "retelling" specifically to make her look like a vengeful woman who punishes women for being victims. And they included it in the show. this is such bullshit.

She was born a gorgon. Medusa was born a gorgon and was one of the gorgon sisters, their visage was used over doorways and on jewelery as a symbol of protection.

hate when people insist that Ovid's stupid poem is a part of Greek mythology, because it's 1. not, just straight is not even Greek and 2. misogynist. all of these "modern retellings" of Greek myths are flat out misogynist. People try to make the victims stronger (Medusa, Persephone) by tearing other women (Athena, Demeter). In y'all attempt to make ~better victims~ you tear down powerful women and make them into vengeful woman haters

#i hate it i hate it i hate it #im foaming at the mouth #i hate this myth so much #its not REAL #its not the real version of the myth #ovid was literally roman #please just read the source material #percy jackson #percy jackon and the olympians #percy jackson and the olympians #pjo show #it was such a mood killer i swear #percy jackson spoilers #i GUESS #i refuse to tag anything else as spoilers but this is a big change

[apollosbisexualass]

I like to think that Achilles, Hector and Patroclus are all sitting in Elysium laughing together whilst hurling rocks at Paris in the Fields of Punishment

#no one ruin this for me #‘but it’s supposed to be a tragedy-‘ don’t care #I need my babies to be happy #I literally couldn’t pick a side in the Trojan war #they were my three favourite characters and they all killed each other #twas heartbreaking #but oh ho ho #I direct so much hate towards that bitch Paris it’s not even funny #paris of troy #trojan war #achilles #patroclus #achilles and patroclus #hector of troy #prince hector #patroclus and achilles #helen of sparta #helen of troy #greek mythology #greek myth #pjo #history #histoire

[marcvscicero]

apollo using the leaves of the laurel tree, of daphne’s tree, daphne who had ran so, so far to get away from him, who had begged her father to do anything to save her, who had even still shrunk away from his embrace after she had turned into the tree, is something so evil + rotten to me.

after her clear “no”, emphasised over and over again, after her desperation to escape him, he then uses her leaves and bark to “honour her” in a way that ensures she can never be free of him, must always be touching him, brought with him wherever he goes, part of his “glory” + “victory”.

even after a kind of “death”, even after trying so hard to outrun him that she gives up her life + dreams + family, by doing the only thing she now can, he doesn’t let her go. and now, not only does he have her, but she can’t refuse:

she can’t say “no”, and she can’t pull away.

she can’t even speak.

#this story has always made me so so sick to my stomach i hate it i hate it so much #tagamemnon #apollo #apollo x daphne #greek mythology #daphne daughter of peneus #apollo and daphne #ancient greek myth #ancient greece #mythology #i

[apollosgiftofprophecy]

having Cassandra and Apollo thoughts...

thoughts about how she still calls Apollo "the god I love", even after the curse. how he gifted not just her, but her twin with the gift of prophecy. he loved both of them. they loved him.

I know people claim Athena avenged Cassandra's rape at the hands of Ajax but tbh that wasn't Athena avenging Cassandra - that was Athena punishing Ajax for violating the sanctity of her temple.

if Cassandra hadn't been inside Athena's temple, Ajax would have gotten away with it. and in a way, he did anyway.

and then when you think about Cassandra's death...the one to avenge her is the god she loves. Apollo. he cursed her, yes. but he still loved her too.

because think about it. apollo did not give a flying fuck about Agamemnon. if it was just Agamemnon who died, Apollo would have thrown a party.

but Cassandra was also killed. someone Apollo loves, and a favored priestess.

...remember what happened to Agamemnon when he insulted a priest of Apollo? a plague fell on the Achaeans.

and when Cassandra is killed...Apollo finds a way to make her murders pay the price. He gets Orestes to kill his own mother to avenge Cassandra.

frankly, I love them. I want more of them. This messy, complicated relationship with so much more meaning than "apollo got mad because she wouldn't sleep with him". Even with the cursory view I have, I can see there is so much more there.

Gods, I need to get my hands on those primary sources so I can obsessively read about them in full.

If anybody has recommendations on which primary sources have Cassandra and Apollo please tell me

I am begging you.

RAWRRAWRARWR I LOVE THEM👀

I also have thoughts about Apollo and Orestes but that's for another time

#apollo #cassandra #the trojan war #tagamemnon #greek mythology #greek myths #greek myth #greek gods #troy #trojan war #apollo deity #now watch me get hate for this lmao #cassandra and apollo are so much more complicated than what popular interpetation believes #this thought bunny wa provoked because i am listening to one of the cut EPIC songs #it's between athena and odysseus but then i started thinking about it in the context of apollo and orestes #then it spiraled into apollo's motivations for wanting clytemestra and aegisthus dead #and cassandra is the root of his motivation #because apollo defends his worshippers #his priests like chryses #and priestesses like cassandra #not to mention others like manto #ooweeooeeweewwoo #lots of pennies for thought

[spiralfucker]

You can keep singing after you take T and it won’t ruin your voice and if anyone tells you that it’s lies

#I’ve never loved my voice so much in my life #I hate this myth so bad I feel like it’s single handedly caused so many transmasc singers so much doubt and stress #mepost

[littlefankingdom]

The way other people are reacting to new characters for Hades II vs how I react to new character is so widly different, because I'm a hater, I have beef with the majority of characters from Greek myths since I was a child. I'm still really excited for that game, I have no problem with the game. It's just funny because people are like "Odysseus!!! YEAH!" and I'm like "That fucking bitch"

#hades ii #hades game #just like it's easier to name the women Zeus didn’t sleep with it's easier to ask me who I like in Greek myths #I hate Theseus I am always happy to beat his ass in Hades #I always wanted to do that #my ramblings #Artemis my goddess is back tho thanks so much

[sarafangirlart]

I like how everyone ignores the fact that Persephone (and also kinda Aphrodite) groomed Adonis. Let’s keep it that way.

#I hate that myth so much man #it has everything I hate about mythology but nothing of what I like about mythology #greek mythology #ancient greek mythology #greek pantheon #persephone deity #persephone goddess #persephone #Aphrodite #aphrodite greek mythology #aphrodite goddess #adonis

[quadrantadvisor]

I started shipping Dick Grayson and Percy Jackson as a joke and then got accidentally invested. Help.

The thing about them is that I think they would Know. They would each know that the other had been though more than any one person could be expected to bear. They would feel secrets like a weight between them. And they would just. Not ask. They would decide to be eachother's simple thing. A bright spot of good in a world that's too hard.

Dick comes across as a ray of sunshine but he keeps up with Percy's snark. Percy's bleeding heart for the downtrodden and disdain for any authority endears him to Dick. They just have complimentary energies.

What makes this funny is how everyone else reacts to them.

Dick's family is panicking, since Percy is The Most Suspicious Man on the Planet. He works six months out of the year at summer camps that don't exist. He was accused of terrorism as a twelve year old. They keep trying to bring this up with Dick, who is exaggerating oblivoiusness. "What, Percy, suspicious? Never. He's great with kids, I'm sure the campers love him, isn't that sweet?" Tim is pulling out his hair.

Meanwhile, Percy's telling Annabeth (who he is still dating, polyamory ftw) all about his new guy, and Annabeth is like, "Let me get this staight. You're dating a rich trust fund kid, who's also a police officer, named Dick? That's not a real guy. That's a parody of a person. Who are you and since when do you tolerate cops."

#Percy trying desperately to defend himself: Ex-cop! He teaches gymnastics now #Annabeth: Better if still slightly ridiculous #percy introduces them to eachother and Annabeth is so prepared to grin and bear it when she can't stand this guy #and then she actually meets him and gets exposed to the dick grayson charm and she's like ' #'no i get it now' #percy: 👀 oh yeah really? interesting #he keeps inviting them to things together to see if he can set them up #the bat family is not so easily swayed #of course they LIKE percy like he fits in perfectly #that doesnt make him any less likely to try to murder dick in his sleep or something #they have no idea honestly #they just dont know what he's up to and there's so many holes in his life story #and bats hate not knowing #honeslty finding out that there's a whole world of mythology that they can't see wouldnt be any better for them #'so the Greek gods are real? and greek creation myths and cosmological explanations and the implications thereof? that's all REAL?' #percy: 'yes but every other explanation is also real at the same time so honestly it shouldn't affect you much so dont worry about it 😊' #this raises more questions than it answers #percy jackson #dc #batfam #my rambles #yes i am crossover posting out here sorry for getting silly with it

[h0bg0blin-meat]

Nerites: *breathes*

Helios: IMMA TURN YOU INTO A SHRIMP! *does it*

Poseidon: *sighs* Not again!

#I just wanna know why Helios hates Poseidon's side chick so much #like bro leave him alone #greek mythology #mythology memes #greek gods #greek myths #greek mythology memes #poseidon #helios #nerites

[p4nishers]

can we actually take a moment and remember swan upon leda? can we actually shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down and think about our lord and savior swan upon leda because i'm tired of doing it alone every single day guys

#the title itself!!! THE FUCKING TITLE #swan UPON leda #god he's an actual genius THANK U HOZIER SO FUCKING MUCH #i hate how that myth is portrayed and received and objectified bc they make it out to be such a funny little chuckle story like 'hahaha led #is SO easy that she fell for a swan isn't that actually the funniest thing you've ever heard omg like women are literally so easy to please #whatever whatever blahblahblah yes that's fucking hilarious matthew thank u SO much for that absolutely fascinating commentary on a women #getting raped by a god really truly an amazing insight into ur pea fucking brain #like fuck sorry but i just absolutely despises how this myth is made out to be and i remember learning abt it in class and being literally #nauseated bc guess fucking what it's literally not hard to understand wtf is happening and while u r laughing away about i repeat a WOMEN #getting RAPED some fucking of us have brain enough to be mortified #jesus ANYWAY #hozier dropped that song after roe v wade was over turned and i just i love him so fucking much he cares SO MUCH and before anything else #he's an activist and he actually gives a shit about women's rights and he dropped this song as a comfort as something to hold onto but also #as a social commentary and he linked charities and resources to help women and keep them safe and this song just means everything to me #bc greek mythology often gets reduced to children stories bc most ppl know myths from children books and obviously a book for kids not gonn #outloud say the word rape or even imply that that's what's happening and that's fine ig but bc so many ppl know it from there it gets #reduces to a joke and a raped women gets ridiculed but hozier actually took one of the few poems about leda being raped and it being a rape #at all and made it into a song during a time that was so traumatizing for ever afab person in the world basically and it just says 'i see #you i see what you're going through and i'm listening and i actually care and i want to help you' and he's helping by writing a song yes bc #he's spreading the word that way bc that's how movements are spread and people listen to him when he's singing and that's how he helps and #i did i mention that i love him? bc i'd actually do anything for him and to meet him and tell him how much he fucking means to me #the line that always gets me is 'a crying CHILD pushes a CHILD into the night' bc yes she was a fucking child who had to deliver 4 KIDS BC #AN ASSHOLE DECIDED SHE WAS PRETTY ENOUGH TO FUCK and nobody ever cares that she was just a child and her child helen was just a child when #she was abducted and raped and impregnated (JUST LIKE HER MOTHER) by theseus a supposed great hero and im genuinely sick she was just a #child like so many women or girls in greek mythology and ik it was a different time back then or wtv but they were just GIRLS and nobody #cared about that or cares now. but this song does. #bc of course it does it's hozier. #hozier #swan upon leda

[presefone]

persephone's relationship with demeter is so fascinating. her existence is just an extension of demeter, at first, and their bond is a never ending cycle of life. demeter birthed kore and the personification of spring came forth, but her absence leads to cold and drought to not just her mother's heart but to the whole world : it is a deep connection between the child x the creator and so much more ( ... ) i'll write kore as a defiant force against her mother but doing so in a respectful, wishful, and even adoring way ; questioning her place as only a secondary piece to an olympian instead of her own diety that deserves praise and fear as any other. a being refusing to go against what the fates have written, but wondering if she's meant to be just maiden of spring ( sometime i'll write how that defiance applies to hades as well and how far were her choices considered but i believe it is much more complex considering how the hades and persephone thing is seen, usually, and how many myths and tellings are of that story. i like the homer route and the goose tale, too, that little know of. anyway ). wondering if demeter is correct in keeping her just that, her daughter, and little else. the sensation of being held back. and later on, above all, fighting for power against demeter, as i believe gods of any size are in a constant battle for glory and power despite love and adoration for each other. i believe wholeheartedly that the mother x daughter relantionship is a fascinating aspect of our lives and usually the most definining one be it healthy of not. the same applies here. she's much more devoting to her duties to demeter once she has her own steady foot equal to hera and amphitrite's, loving her as spring does the earth and all its living creatures, but demanding equal respect and consideration despite demeter being her creator.

#and thus i invoke ╲ proserpine › about. #there is a moment in life that we look at our mother and we realize they were once a girl too #persephone does that but instead of it she realizes the power her mother has #but defies it when it is to be applied on her #she wants equal footing and can be cruel to demeter in attempting so #only when she reaches what she believes is just that she may question it and continues to love her mother as she did as kore #above all she's dutiful #but it is put into question how much agency she had in any of it #which is interesting to think about and it depends on the myth #reasons why writing myth characters can be maddening lol #i need affiliates demeter and hates for this asap fr #who wants to step up LOL

[themidnightcircusshow]

@heartofstanding tagged me in this meme months ago and unfortunately it took me this long to get to it because I had a mild crisis over how long it's been since I've read a novel, let alone one that I loved 😅 so this is nine of my favourite novels (not books, because if I included manga/short stories/comics/etc this would be giant)

0The Picture of Dorian Gray -- Oscar Wilde// Pyrrhus-- Mark Merlis//The Scarecrow--Ronald Hugh Morrieson//Unnatural History--Kate Osman//Tunnels of Blood--Darren Shan//The Coffin Dancer--Jeffery Deaver//Hero--Perry Moore//Frankenstein--Mary Shelley//One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest-- Ken Kasey

#TPODG I feel like is obvious. But a genuinely hilarious book that is also poignant and tragic and so /so/ compelling #The more work you put into it the more you get out of it and I get so sad every time I see people #not wanting to look deeper than what's beyond the surface #Pyrrhus gets the extremely high honour of Greek Myth Retelling That is Actually Good #it's less about the Trojan War and more about the journey there set in the 1980s gay scene #the cursed spot that gets Philoctetes abandoned is an effective allegory right until the moment it isn't an allegory at all #and you should see the gut punch coming but somehow you don't #The Scarecrow is my Token Kiwi Representation and it's also the one that got me into the genre I now write almost exclusively #reading it feels like watching a cheesy low budget slasher that accidentally says some really interesting things about sexism and misogyny #(I say accidentally because it is the 20s and my tutor very loudly hated this book for being sexist) #(and I both totally agree and disagree because Prue is the prototypical final girl and needs an adaptation that does her justice) #Also the story of this novel's publication is freaking hilarious and why I will only write under a pseudonym because I would be next #Unnatural History is an exact blueprint of what I love about sci-fi done well in the way we've only very recently started to see on screen #and I hate that the show of Doctor Who rarely if ever reaches this level #Tunnels of Blood is my favourite of the Darren Shan Saga but really is just a stand in for the entire series #yes it's a kids series but it's a kid series that got me into horror and surrealism #and delivers the most effective and heartbreaking plot twist that not even Hannibal pulled off as well #The Coffin Dancer is just some damn good crime fiction and I wish Jeffery Deaver wasn't so slept on #(yes I know The Bone Collector got an adaptation but The Bone Collector isn't even in the top ten of the Lincoln Rhyme series) #unfortunately Deaver's strongest point is his use of point of view #but he still manages to get the twist to be shocking (and Coffin Dancer is the best example of it) in a way that other media fails at #Hero is about a gay disabled teen with superpowers and somehow tumblr does not know about it #It is such a fun riff on superheroes while also being genuinely sweet and touching and sad #It was meant to get a tv show but the writer passed so it got stuck in production hell :( #Frankenstein is Frankenstein. It's just good on like every level. Victor is my problematic fave. I will take no criticism. #I am however on my knees hoping the Guillermo Del Toro adaptation finally gets it right #one flew over the cuckoo's nest means so much to me but no one ever talks about it beyond the Ratched and Mcmurphy stuff #who are the least interesting characters to me. And I find the debate about the sexism ignores that the novel is about the structural abuse #of the mentally ill

[myimaginationplain]

lore olympus is one of those times where the anti-fandom is 10 times more annoying than either the fandom or work itself could ever be

#my god some of you talk about it as if rachel smythe flew to greece and destroyed a few pre-hellenistic temples her damn self #also most of the anti lore olympus takes I've seen sound like the stale runoff left over from fifty shades of grey crit & anti reylos. #the lore olympus fandom's presence on social media is teeny tiny. #you are not constantly hearing about this series unless you yourself are choosing to. please let it go. #so so sooooo much of the crit is just 'I'm very angry that this reinterpretation that is open about only being loosely based on the— #original is actually a reinterpretation only being loosely based on the original.' please at least say something that isn't just repeating #'I hate myth reinterpretations & age gap ships I hate myth reinterpretations & age gap ships' ad infinitum #lore olympus #fandom bs #anti bs

[godlikecunning]

ever seen a take on ancient texts so rancid it makes you want to gouge out your eyes

#“i hate roman takes on greek texts because it makes the trojans heroic” #“and the trojans were so keen on paris kidnapping helen” #“ugh the misogyny” #babe the text opens with achilles and agamemnon arguing about captive women #who were war slaves #and often brutalized #like yes there's so much to be discussed about the misogyny in the homeric texts #but if you apply tumblr lenses of analysis you're just stupid #and i don't make the rules #greek mythology #greek myth #roman mythology #roman myth #mythology #homer #the iliad #the odyssey #the aeneid

[majorbaby]

one time in response to an anon who tried, however politely, to argue that Boston Brahmin Charles Winchester was less racist than Frank, I explained that on the surface it might seem so if we rely on some subjective spectrum of overt vs. covert racism...

(which I think is unwise to do when the media in question is 40 years old, has a near all-white cast and is set during the Korean war but that's just my onion)

... where "overt" might be something like Oliver's nickname being a racial slur and "covert" is whatever it is people think is "covert racism" post season 3/4/??? of MASH. idk, I did say we shouldn't do this and this is exactly why.

anyway, my original point was that in response to that anon i'd said something like 'perhaps in terms of slurs uttered per minute one might imagine that charles is ~less racist~ than frank' and went onto explain why that's not really a useful metric by which to measure the impact of racial bias. but in season 7's opener, Commander Pierce, Charles calls Klinger a "Levantine Thug" which is explicitly, fantastically racist! It's like a 3-for-1 package deal on racism! Antisemitic! Islamophobic! Anti-asian! There might even be more groups that are negatively implicated, I'm just limited by my knowledge on the history of the Levant region, which has at some point been home to a long list of people of various ethic groups who observe various religions and speak various languages.

what's softer or less noticeable about "[geographical region] thug" out of the mouth of an upperclass white antagonist? something like that may even more obvious now than the utterance of racial slurs that are less commonly used because more people now know we shouldn't use them.

#i hate this myth about the later years so much and The Dreaded Bracket is dredging it up again #(resisting the urge to say something very 2014 sjw tumblr but my patience is being tested) aggrieved SoC Sigh of Colour #re: mash #race on mash

[pelideswhore]

screaming crying throwing up. according to my timeline, iphigenia would be 6 years old at time of death. you know, when she was supposed to marry achilles.

#I HATE TIMELINES!!!! #SO MUCH #greek mythology #greek myth #iphigenia #tw eden