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#grey jedi order
xanderxciv · 2 years
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No matter your opinions on Reva, can we all agree that she's the closest canon Grey Jedi yet, and in whatever spin-off she gets, she should get a DIFFERENT lightsaber color? Im sick of the same ol' blue & green we see in everything. Of course I had to draw up 4 different options. One wasnt enough.
And Reva's last name....I legit didn't know her last name was that until I looked up the character's full name for this. Its funny, I looked up the actress to see if she did other work. I see that not only she's from Baltimore, MD, my hometown, she was born a freakin' day before me. After ObiWan S1 finished, I see that last name that's similar to my artist name.
So, 3 of the lightsaber colors I went with, some Maryland colors influenced that 100%.
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short-wooloo · 1 month
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Now that the trailer is out, it's probably best that I get this out of the way before acolyte releases
The Jedi are right about the Force and the dark side
The Jedi did not lose their way
The Jedi were not corrupted
The genocide of the Jedi was not their fault
The Jedi are not wrong for being part of the Republic, it is in fact a good thing
The Jedi are not arrogant for thinking the sith are gone
and while we're at it the sith are evil, always, end of discussion
The Jedi do not steal children
If someone wants to leave the Jedi, that's allowed, no one will stop them
The Jedi are right about attachment
Attachment is not love (SW uses the Buddhist definition because Lucas is a Buddhist and the Jedi are based off Buddhist monks, Buddhism defines attachment as being possessive or unwilling to let go of people or things)
The Jedi do not forbid emotions, they forbid being controlled by your emotions, you must control them
The Jedi are not forbidden from loving people, nor are they celibate, they just can't get married (big whup) because their duties must come first
Being peacekeepers doesn't preclude the Jedi from fighting in war, sometimes to keep the peace you have to fight back, especially when its against tyranny, see WWII (or Ukraine today)
Gray jedi are not a thing
The Jedi are not slavers or complicit in slavery
Oh and of course, the Jedi are not elitists for not training non Force sensitives, (Han voice) that's not how the Force works, dave filoni broke the rules so he could shoehorn sabine into a Jedi (to give the benefit of the doubt, I do believe sabine's role as ahsoka's apprentice was meant for an original character but things got condensed by executives, so maybe filoni isn't entirely to blame here)
Feel free to add anything I forgot
Do not, DO NOT!! add anything Jedi critical, I'm done with it and won't hear it, don't have something nice to say? Then go away, I will block on sight, either reblog without comment (either in the reblog or the notes) or don't interact at all
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cerulianvermillion · 10 months
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the concept of "grey Jedi" doesn't work because the force is light and dark, not black and white. By definition, colour value might be a spectrum, but darkness is absence of light. Everyone is grey! Star wars has clearly implied that nobody is perfect and everyone comes in shades of of grey, everyone is flawed and imperfect. The jedi are all technically grey! However, they are "light" because they, as jedi, choose light, choose selflessness, choose goodness.
Textbook fandom interpretation of "grey jedi" is either A. Someone who uses both the dark and light side or B. Someone who is light and does good but doesn't follow the jedi order.
A. doesn't work, because the dark side isn't just defined by "being emotional" or "Thinking of yourself", it's literally stuff like murder and torture. You can't claim to be "good" or "light" or "better than everyone" while also condoning murder at the same time.
B. You don't have to be a jedi to use the force! You don't have to be a jedi to be in the light! Like it's not illegal, the jedi order respects non-jedi force users as long as they don't commit human rights violations! the Jedi are the majority of force users, but they're not the only ones who can use the force. The jedi themselves are aware that there are many different interpretations, and the only intervene when it. yknow. involves murder and torture and the like. calling non-jedi lightside users as "grey jedi" doesn't really make sense because they're... just technically normal jedi. And if they're not associating with the order, then they're just lightside force users that are not jedi? Why would they call themselves jedi if they themselves don't think they are jedi or associate with the jedi???
Like in Ahsoka's situation, she's not a "grey" jedi, she's a light force user that doesn't follow the jedi order. In fact, saying that she's a "grey" jedi is basically just saying that she's a regular jedi? That doesn't make her better or worse or special, disagreeing with the council doesnt make someone better or worse that the other- what does matter is her actual actions. Which, as aforementioned, is lightside. The jedi order is also light. They can coexist, yknow, one is not superior than the other, they're both light. And it's not uncommon for people to disagree with the council. That's the entire point of the jedi having a "council"- to provide different perepectives and healthy debate and come up with the best decision for everyone. You can't please everybody, that's entirely normal. There's a reason why the council discusses instead of having one person make all the choices. The jedi are people too, they're also flawed. You can be grey and choose light, that's what the jedi choose to do.
tldr everyone is already grey, but light and dark is a matter or choice.
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antianakin · 11 months
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Since people like throwing out "Gray Jedi" as some kind-of gotcha with a made-up definition to lift up their faves as better than all of the other Jedi, I think it's within the rules to make up my own definition of Gray Jedi to reduce my least faves as worse than all of the other Jedi.
"Gray Jedi" now means a person who is technically still a member of the Jedi Order, but is choosing not to follow their teachings or practices out of arrogance whenever it suits their selfish agendas. In other words, a Jedi in name only, but not in character or behavior.
So. Anakin. Anakin is a Gray Jedi. Say hello to Gray Jedi Anakin Skywalker, the Jedi Order's worst Jedi in history!
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saggitary · 1 year
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Order 69
I want a fic about the clone wars where everything is the same, except the Kaminoans had a small miscommunication and told Palpatine the Jedi kill order was Order 69 instead of Order 66. Instead of trying to kill their Jedi COs, the clone are now trying to seduce them and sleep with them. 
Fun little musings for a few legions if you would like 
212th
“The time has come Commander. Execute Order 69.”
“It will be done my lord.” Cody slips his helmet off. “Hey General.”
Obi-Wan looks around in confusion as Careless Whisper begins to play from an unknown source
The rest of the battalion watch as Cody quite literally sweeps their Jedi General off his feet and carry him back into the base
None of them have seen Kenobi that red in the face
“Do we need to... do anything? About the order I mean?” A shiny asks
“I think the Commander has it covered.” Boil responds
327th
“Execute order 69″
“Kriffing finally” Bly responds before shutting off his com
Palpatine stares at the dark com device for a few moments. That was unexpected
The Separatists are cleaned out in record time on Felucia, almost entirely by Commander Bly himself 
Aayla didn’t think she had every seen her commander so driven by anything, it truly was impressive
No one sees Bly or their General for a long time when they finally get back to camp
104th
Plo Koon is not with the 104th when the order goes out
He is also in a star fighter and by the time he gets back to the ground the battalion he is with is panicking because Plo Koon isn’t their regular General and Wolffe would kill them
By the time Plo returns to his men the issue has been resolved
157th (Billaba’s Legion)
“Execute order 69″
Grey put away his com device before walking towards his general where she was currently talking to Caleb and Clone Force 99
“Well shall we let them do what they-oh!”
Grey wrapped an arm around Depa’s waist and dropped her into a dip before kissing her
Caleb and the whole of Clone Force 99 stared at the two making out infront of them with either horror or confusion
Echo clapped his hand over Caleb’s eyes
“I can still sense it”
“Sorry kid”
332nd
Ahsoka was very confused, one minute Rex was looking more panicked than she had ever seen him, now…
Now he had calmed down considerably and had begun... flirting with her?
She was very weirded out because it definitely sounded like flirting, why her brother was flirting with her was beyond her
Then Jesse, ever the womanizer, had strutted into the com bay and she had been truly disturbed
As soon as she could she escaped her weird brothers and went to look up the file Rex had said, one about Fives
She called both Rex and Jesse to her location and prompt whacked them both on the head before getting their chips out
Both were extremely horrified that they had tried to flirt with their sister and apologized a lot
Now that Ahsoka knew what was happening she found it really kriffing funny
They quickly spread the word about the chips to the rest of the GAR
501st
As soon as Anakin, freshly fallen to the dark side, marched into the hangar where his men were waiting he felt like something was different
He led his COs to the com table to go over their strategy to attack the temple and to cover all entrances 
Appo siddled close, leaning forward to trap Vader against the com table with both his arms
Vader’s mind short circuited and lets just say that the march on the jedi temple did not happen
Morning After
Cody wakes up with Obi-Wan sleeping on his chest and his com blinking at him from the side of the cot
What the kriff did Rex mean by control chips?
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agentartemus · 2 months
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the-force-awakens · 7 months
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thinking a lot of thoughts on the jedi and the resistance - not only because they're my two favorite things in star wars, but because they're so similar to each other. both had their hands tied for so long and had to find loopholes to work around/within a corrupt government, were nearly/or successfully wiped out by a fascist regime, and have an immense focus on found families and also lineages (I don't just mean Leia training Rey, I'm also thinking of Poe being her protege and how their ranks are, interestingly, the same a Jedi Knight/Padawan would have).
and I also find it interesting because a lot of the hate towards both are so similar because it often boils down to "they're boring" or bitter sentiments towards the concept of family being a choice — as well as the fact that the resistance focuses 100% on their duty to protect the galaxy and how so much of the character arcs in the films are about letting go of your fear and attachment, learning to think of the bigger picture, and growing past your failures — which all a very Jedi point of view, isn't it?
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vaguely-concerned · 5 months
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since his ultimate fate is unknown to us for now, let's as a fandom get together and manifest that the watsonian explanation for rael averross being nowhere to be found in the clone wars era is that he quit being a jedi and is out there getting laid and going to therapy, rather than because he, y'know... died horrifically or eventually succumbed to the dark side after all or suffered similar jedi-related work hazards
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david-talks-sw · 2 years
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The deleted scene that summed up Obi-Wan and Anakin's arcs in AOTC.
I sorta touched on this subject in this post (although it's buried all the way down because it's the longest post I've ever written), but I was reading an earlier draft of the screenplay for Attack of the Clones from July 4th 2000, and landed on THIS scene (Scene 51):
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And I'm fucking geeking out.
So Scene 51 is an older iteration of this scene:
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It was re-shot and placed earlier in the film because they wanted to add Yoda to the scene, and it's intentionally placed right after the scene where Anakin talks to Palpatine to contrast how Anakin and Obi-Wan interact with their mentor figures.
Anakin gets told what he wants to hear, Obi-Wan is told what he needs to hear. In Lucas' words:
"You can see that Palpatine is sort of boosting his ego to make him feel that he's better than possibly he really is. A lot of his philosophies and things are repeated, later on, by Anakin when he gets into situations about how he should be allowed more freedom, more assignments. We contrast that with the three Jedi and show Obi-Wan's concern about the fact that his apprentice is getting ahead of himself, and he's arrogant. Obi-Wan is put down a little bit by Yoda there 'cause Yoda says that that arrogance exists in the older Jedi too, which is a way of warning Obi-Wan that he may be suffering the same hubris." - Attack of the Clones, Commentary Track 2, 2002
But here's what we lose from that original iteration... ahem... THE EXPLICIT FORESHADOWING OF OBI-WAN AND ANAKIN'S ARCS IN ATTACK OF THE CLONES!
That one conversation with Mace spells out Obi and Ani's inner journeys throughout the film.
Obi-Wan’s arc: learning to have faith in Anakin.
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So a character arc is driven by that character's inner flaw. In Attack of the Clones, Obi-Wan is being a stern, overprotective, helicopter parent.
Anakin is better and much more skilled than your average Jedi and so a lot of the concerns Obi-Wan expresses aren’t necessary, he’s just nagging and questioning him pointlessly. 
Does he overcome this flaw, in the film? Yes.
Obi-Wan learns to have faith in his Padawan’s judgement and abilities. He listens to Anakin's suggestion and they take down a whole destroyer. He gives Anakin his lightsaber, trusting his apprentice's fighting skills.
Anakin’s arc: duty over emotion & controlling his arrogance.
This one's a two-parter.
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On the one hand, Anakin's in love. But he's a Jedi.
At some point, his love needs to take a backseat because if it keeps distracting him, he can't do his job as a Jedi.
Does Anakin complete this part of the arc, in the film? Yes.
Anakin hesitates, he protests... but eventually, he does focus on his duty before his personal wants. Obviously, this is just a first step in a long journey, but that step has been taken.
On the other hand, Anakin is arrogant.
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Because he's so skilled, Anakin will keep pushing the envelope, he'll get overconfident and cocky. He'll jump into danger, overestimating his abilities, and it usually bites him in the ass.
Like, Obi-Wan may be overly concerned at times, but he's also right on the money when it comes to this.
Does Anakin overcome this flaw? Nope!
Still angry for having to leave Padmé behind and seeing his Jedi brothers and sisters get slaughtered in the arena, Anakin rushes Dooku, thinking he can take him on by himself, and gets blasted out of the game, leaving Obi-Wan to fend for himself. When he rejoins the fray, he overestimates himself, which costs him an arm.
CONS & PROS of the reshoots in AOTC.
If we look at this scene as it used to be, it gives us a clearer idea of Obi-Wan and Anakin's dynamic, being as it helps set up and frame their arcs more explicitly.
Also, while Windu still tells Obi-Wan to get off Anakin's back in the final version, once again, in this version of the scene it's done more explicitly. Had this stayed in the film as it was, future portrayals and receptions of Mace Windu would've been more charitable. Instead of framing him as someone who "always disapproved of Anakin" we might've seen a slightly more nuanced take on his relationship with the young Jedi in future books, for instance.
But the "show don't tell" saying in screenwriting and filmmaking is a classic. And in this case, while George removed a few lines that told us this arc, he added a few moments in the film to show it to the audience. Among other things:
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Obi-Wan and Anakin's elevator scene. Originally, this wasn't in the film. George decided to insert it to establish that, on a normal day, Obi-Wan and Anakin have a pretty good symbiotic relationship. But Anakin meeting Padmé for the first time in 10 years is a catalyst event that makes Anakin act more petulant and arrogant than usual, which in turn makes Obi-Wan more stern. (the argument could be made that this would be more efficient if we were shown the "nest of Gundarks" incident, rather than told about it, but hey)
On Geonosis, when Obi-Wan compliments Anakin for successfully taking down a Core Ship, that moment was added during reshoots.
More importantly, the whole "put the ship down" interaction was drastically changed.
Originally, it was shorter, and the conflict in that scene wasn't as strong. It originally felt as simply Obi-Wan being a stickler as usual and Anakin pulling another one of his tantrums, without realizing that "dude, Padmé's fine, look!"
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They shot it like this, and in the editing room one of the Assistant Editors pointed this out to Lucas. There was no tension.
So George reshot it and turned this exchange into a pivotal character moment. Now, there's a whole new meaning.
Obi-Wan needs Anakin by his side, he can't face Dooku alone. If he does, he will get killed. Anakin thinks Padmé is in danger, or worse, that she's dead (and we're not robbed of this tension by immediately showing she's fine).
Obi-Wan reminds him of his job. Anakin still only listens to his own emotions.
Obi-Wan warns him. He'll be expelled form the Jedi Order; real shit. If the roles were reversed, Padmé would put her duty first too. So, moment of truth, what's it gonna be?
Anakin looks inward... and makes a decision.
Says George Lucas:
"This scene with Padmé falling out of the ship - when I originally wrote it and we cut it together - it didn’t quite work. [...] We looked at it, and one of the Assistant Editors said “you know, it really looks like something should happen and it doesn’t”. [...] So we reshot this scene, with Hayden and Ewan, and really brought out the central issue which was not in the first time I shot it, which was ‘if you go back, you will be expelled from the Jedi Order’. And that level of confrontation hadn’t been there." - Attack of the Clones, Director's Commentary, 2002
So yeah. Little something I noticed.
I love this BtS stuff.
Oh and you can read the older AOTC script here.
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xanderxciv · 2 years
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Year 2 of drawing digitally. And that lightsaber ring, an actual lightsaber variant from the EU called a LightRing.
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catboyranulf · 1 year
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Atton: How did you even live with yourself after Malachor? Is that why you went back to the Jedi Council? Hoping they'd kill you? Wasn't it? Maybe you thought they'd forgive you. Sure you might have thought they'd execute you, but Jedi don't kill, do they? At least not their prisonners. Maybe you were counting on it when you went back in chains. So you got off easy, you were exiled, brushed under the cargo ramp, another dirty little Jedi secret. I'll tell you-- all those Jedi at Malachor? They deserved it. Every last one of them. Because Jedi lie, and they manipulate, and every act of charity or kindness they do, you can drag it out squirming into the light and see it for what it is. The galaxy doesn't need Jedi arrogance or Jedi hyprocrisy anymore. The Jedi, the Sith… You don't get it, do you? To the galaxy, they're the same thing, just men and women with too much power, squabbling over religion while the rest of us burn. At least, the Sith are honest about what they're killing for, the Jedi are pacifists except in times of war, they're teachers except when it comes to telling their students the truth. And when they save you, it's only so you can suffer more.
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antianakin · 10 months
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Since "Gray Jedi" fans just use the term to signify who their fave is and bash on the Jedi, I am going to do the opposite and use it to signify my least faves and point out why they're way worse than all of the real Jedi.
It's more accurate anyway.
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euphoriacafe · 26 days
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bh-52 · 1 year
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Jedi couples Headcanons.
Barriss and Ahsoka have no concept of discretion in their love life, yet nobody notices they're a couple.
Ahsoka and Senator Chuchi went on one public date, and the paparazzi went wild.
Petro and Katooni are a young couple adored by everyone who finds out.
Ezra and Sabine are mischievous lovers.
Luminara and Obi-Wan flirt more than Nightwing and Starfire.
Shaak Ti and Kal Skirata fell in love while taking care of their kids (the clone army).
Cal and Merrin heal each other's trauma.
Depa and Grey are happily married, and proudly Caleb Dume's parents.
Aayla's on and off with Kit and Bly, but she loves them both equally.
Jocasta Nu and Dooku are the sweetest elderly couple giving love one last chance.
Mace and Vokare Che are the we take everything too seriously power couple.
Galen Marek and Maris Brood are feral lovers.
Stass and Neyo because he's crazy and she knows how to heal him.
Adi Gallia and Eeth Koth hooked up after Grievous kidnapped the latter.
Meetra and Visas Marr are the lovebirds who don't need eyes to see each other's beauty.
Atton and Mira are a delinquent power couple.
Brianna the Handmaiden and Mical the Disciple are as passionate and dedicated to each other as they are to history and lore, they go on dates to libraries, museums, exhibits, galleries, and archives.
Yoda and Maz Kanata have been married since 500bby.
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agentartemus · 2 months
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Tarkin is my babygirl and you can't change that
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lesbiancalkestis · 2 years
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Thinking about the significance of Quinlan leaving that message hand-etched in a wall, a surface he would have touched with care and purpose. He left a message of hope, yes, but to someone with his gift it would be so much more than that.
Only when the eyes are closed can you truly see the way.
The living force lights up every being and leaves footprints in the sands of the universe. It defies time and space, lighting up past, present and future. This saying tells you to follow the force with such conviction that you walk with eyes closed. From there it will show you the way.
Someone like Quinlan would understand this intimately, because he enacts this belief regularly in connection with the past. His psychometry allows him to close his eyes and feel the echos of past moments. He used this ability to become a master tracker and see the way to whoever he sought. In a very literal sense the force allows him to see beyond sight and find the way. From Quinlan that Jedi wisdom is so beautifully on the nose. But it doesn’t end there.
He would have also understood that the act of etching the message itself would leave an imprint in the force. He would know how it would light up his message like a beacon of life, immortalising a single moment of wistful connection. Even if no one else with his ability ever encountered it, still it would persist. A tracker like Quinlan would be keenly aware of every trace they leave, especially while on the run. He knew he was leaving a marker, a beacon, that went deeper than the etching in the wall.
Quinlan may have never dreamed that Obi-Wan’s path might cross with his again, or that the man would come to run his own hands over that very same wall. But how very fitting it is that - despite being unable to ‘see’ as Quinlan could - this reminder to follow the force beyond the reach of sight combined with the stark relief in recognising its author, would ripple through Obi-Wan with a power not unlike an echo in the force.
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