#anti acolyte

[short-wooloo]

Now that the trailer is out, it's probably best that I get this out of the way before acolyte releases

The Jedi are right about the Force and the dark side

The Jedi did not lose their way

The Jedi were not corrupted

The genocide of the Jedi was not their fault

The Jedi are not wrong for being part of the Republic, it is in fact a good thing

The Jedi are not arrogant for thinking the sith are gone

and while we're at it the sith are evil, always, end of discussion

The Jedi do not steal children

If someone wants to leave the Jedi, that's allowed, no one will stop them

The Jedi are right about attachment

Attachment is not love (SW uses the Buddhist definition because Lucas is a Buddhist and the Jedi are based off Buddhist monks, Buddhism defines attachment as being possessive or unwilling to let go of people or things)

The Jedi do not forbid emotions, they forbid being controlled by your emotions, you must control them

The Jedi are not forbidden from loving people, nor are they celibate, they just can't get married (big whup) because their duties must come first

Being peacekeepers doesn't preclude the Jedi from fighting in war, sometimes to keep the peace you have to fight back, especially when its against tyranny, see WWII (or Ukraine today)

Gray jedi are not a thing

The Jedi are not slavers or complicit in slavery

Oh and of course, the Jedi are not elitists for not training non Force sensitives, (Han voice) that's not how the Force works, dave filoni broke the rules so he could shoehorn sabine into a Jedi (to give the benefit of the doubt, I do believe sabine's role as ahsoka's apprentice was meant for an original character but things got condensed by executives, so maybe filoni isn't entirely to blame here)

Feel free to add anything I forgot

Do not, DO NOT!! add anything Jedi critical, I'm done with it and won't hear it, don't have something nice to say? Then go away, I will block on sight, either reblog without comment (either in the reblog or the notes) or don't interact at all

#wooloo-writes #wooloo writes #star wars #sw #jedi #jedi order #pro jedi #in defense of the jedi #the acolyte critical #the acolyte #sw acolyte #anti the acolyte #anti acolyte #acolyte critical #star wars the acolyte #anti filoni #anti dave filoni #dave filoni critical #the jedi were right #the jedi did nothing wrong #george lucas #anti gray jedi #anti grey jedi

[antianakin]

Literally why are people who hate the Jedi even writing for Star Wars?

Why do they keep LETTING people who hate the Jedi write for Star Wars?

Can't these people just go make their OWN sci-fi about how selfishness is cool actually? We could all use more original sci-fi stuff anyway, it's vanishingly rare in film and TV, leave Star Wars and the Jedi alone.

#star wars #anti ahsoka show #anti acolyte #anti dave filoni #anti leslye headland #dave filoni critical #leslye headland critical #filoni critical

[kanansdume]

Reading Light of the Jedi for the first time has made the fact that the first (non-preschooler) TV show set in the High Republic time period is going to be a Sith-centric anti-Jedi mess even more disappointing than it already was.

#star wars #light of the jedi #high republic #anti acolyte #acolyte critical #the acolyte critical #light of the jedi has SO MUCH of what i've wanted for so long #a positive relationship between the jedi and the republic #because the system DOES WORK when it's not being run by literal sith #more worldbuilding on how the jedi's lives look when they're not literally at war #what happens when jedi get older? #what are some basic training things that jedi do with each other and does it involve shoving each other off cliffs? (Yes) #we get to see so many ways for jedi to be jedi in this universe that allows them to just exist as they are #the jedi love each other and they love the republic and - for the time being - the republic loves them back #it's REALLY cool to see #and the villains aren't these terrible unknowable sith characters #the nihil have literally zero messages to send #they're just selfish criminals #they're nothing and no one #they're entirely banal #and that's honestly sort-of refreshing #i don't WANT the villains to be sith all the time #we've seen enough sith #the nihil are a kind-of basic bland villain that the galaxy would be dealing with in the absence of sith #it's so great #and acolyte so far looks like pure shit #i don't understand how the high republic series which is so adamantly pro-jedi and not about sith at all #has led us to a series like acolyte #whose creator promises us will be all about how the jedi sucked major balls #it's just immensely sad

[nateofgreat]

"What's wrong with the Acolyte being Jedi critical? It's okay to criticize them since they have a monopoly on the Force don't they?"

Okay, let me break this down.

1: The Jedi do not have a monopoly on the Force.

Say, remember the Nightsisters of Dathomir? The dark side cult that the Jedi tolerate. They even go there to negotiate in the Clone Wars without making any threats to their continued existence. The only time they ever come into conflict is when they leave Dathomir to mess with someone else.

They're not the only ones either. The media doesn't focus on it much, but there are dozens of different Force-based organizations in SW (Legends and Disney canon) that the Jedi Order coexists with. There's also the simple fact that the parents of Force sensitive children can simply decline the Jedi's offer which would indicate that there are people in the Galaxy with the Force who live independently from the Jedi.

As it happens the only organization the Jedi are constantly fighting are the Sith and for darn good reasons.

2: What's wrong with being critical of the Jedi?

Let's not split hairs here. The "criticism" the Jedi get nowadays almost always seems to end with, "and that's why they deserved to be exterminated down to the children via Order 66." So, pro-Jedi fans are a bit on guard when they hear that a project is "Jedi critical."

Now, in theory, there's nothing wrong with characters in-universe having disagreements with the Jedi way or having criticisms of them. However, despite the show's claim to not be about "good vs evil" I think it's VERY likely to posit that the Jedi are wholly in the wrong and to blame for the conflict in some manner. While downplaying the actions of the villain on account of them being a victim.

Why do I think that? Because the trailer.

3: "This isn't about good or evil. It's about power and who's allowed to use it."

Right at the climax of the trailer is this line. Which spells pretty clearly that the show is saying that just, doesn't matter if the Jedi are good, because they're also powerful and influential in their own regard. So in the show's mind that means they're the problem.

They might offer a halfhearted condemnation of the serial killer murdering them for no reason but chances are they'll suggest that they're not really the problem: that the Jedi are for being powerful. I've even seen quotes floating around saying that show will ask the question "what if the Sith are really just the underdogs?" when they go around blowing up planets.

As for the question itself. It's likewise silly as the Jedi don't actually persecute other Force traditions or force everyone to join them. They don't even force you to stay once you've joined. So it doesn't seem like they're attempting to control the Force at all. Meanwhile, the Sith want to dominate the Galaxy and either exterminate or enslave any opposing traditions.

So the question itself is self-defeating.

Oh and while I'm here...

4: There is no "endless cycle"

Slightly off-topic but it comes up a lot as a defense of the anti-Jedi mindset. It goes something like, "The Jedi perpetuate an endless cycle of war because the Sith keep coming back!"

First off, it's not the Jedi's fault that some lunatics keep popping back up to try and control the Galaxy. All they do is stop them every time they do.

Secondly, the "cycle" only exists because new books keep getting written. Stories need conflict and thus the Sith are revived over and over again.

Thirdly, please someone try to tell me that this could be avoided if the Jedi let their members marry or something.

And fourthly, the cycle's honestly not that bad because the Jedi just win every time and restore peace to the Galaxy for a long period.

#anti the Acolyte #Acolyte critical #the Acolyte critical #Star Wars #The Jedi #Pro Jedi #In defense of the Jedi #the Sith #the Acolyte Trailer

[padmestrilogy]

I believe, of course, that the Jedi are a benevolent, well-intentioned institution, but they are an institution and they have amassed all the power. So the question becomes when did that happen, and since we know where they’re headed in Phantom Menace, what went wrong?

- The Acolyte creator Leslye Headland (x)

#yeah i'll do some shilling #why not #i liked this interview she seems cool! #and this is a good quote in light of all the endless pro/anti jedi discourse #(sooo many essays in my notes that i do not care to read lol) #institutions can be well-meaning but deeply flawed! #the acolyte #star wars

[tremendouskoalachild]

filoni and favreau: NO tie-ins for our shows!! only we can play with our ocs! don't tell us what to do, story group 🙄 don't you know we're making it up as we go along. oh you want to make a comprehensive reference book for star wars? too bad, we haven't established even a vague timeline like 5 seasons in. you want basic information about the setting we're writing in? fuck off. yeah we can borrow other writer's characters. no you can't write books and comics with ours. adapt the show as is and sell merch of green baby

#anti mandoverse #this may be too mean and i might delete it lol #also corrections welcome since i haven't properly kept up with that whole clownshow since i guess mando s2 #anyway i was just reminded how much i love properly thought out worldbuilding and tie-in campaigns #save me the acolyte you're my only hope

[the-badger-mole]

How do you think the Avatar (either Korra or your own personal OC) after Aang would view him? It's clear from the canon that he had his own disagreements with his own past lives. Do you think they would try to make amends or fix any damage Aang caused?

To me, Korra was enamored with both being the Avatar and really emotionally invested in Tenzin and his family. I don't think as a young woman she it would occur to her to think more critically about her predecessor's legacy. But since she cut ties to the past Avatars, and now had the opportunity to start a brand new legacy, I would hope that she would look back at Aang's life and see all the holes in his time as Avatar, and that she would take time to hear from Kya and Bumi about their experience with him, and understand what an imperfect, neglectful, and arrogant person he was. I don't think she would change her mind about Aang being more or less a good person and successful Avatar, but I'd like to think that she tried to learn from his mistakes.

Mostly, though, I think the problems with Aang and his tenure as Avatar would be things for historians to pick through. I think history would ultimately be the judge of Aang. It would take someone less personally invested in Aang legacy to look at the Acolytes and Aang's lil' fandom and see how weird and gross it was that the Air Nomad culture wasn't the center of their admiration and even worship, and that Aang had built up something like a cult around him. I think history would look at his energybending and be glad that that particular power had died with him. I also think that Aang's attitude about bending and the superiority of the Air Nomad culture would be listed as a contributing factor to the equalist movement. I really do think that LoK missed an opportunity to have an honest conversation about Aang's imperfections and how it affected his family and his time as Avatar. It almost make me want to write a "biography" for him.

#atla #anti aang #lok #korra #aang's legacy #i don't think history would be that kind to him #i think future generations would look at his energybending with horror #i legit think the acolytes were an aang cult #THE YEAR OF CONTENT!!!!

[fanfic-lover-girl]

Tenzin is How Old!?

I recently discovered that Tenzin got together with Pema in his thirties while scrolling through the Lin Beifong and Tenzin tags. And there is a 16-year age gap between him and Pema. I was like, this must be a mistake. Tenzin and Lin dated and broke up as teenagers right? Tenzin is in his thirties, going on to his forties right???!

Never knew LOK could make me feel even more nauseous than it already does. I have some issues:

If Lin and Tenzin broke up as adults, then Lin destroying Air Temple Island on her way out makes her look even worse. I know female violent behavior is supposed to be funny but I don't find it funny. A grown-ass woman acting like a hormonal teenager. Get a grip, Lin!

Pemzin is now icky. The age gap is not a total dealbreaker...but wasn't Pema an air acolyte? Considering Tenzin was basically deemed the saviour of the air nomads and the only kid recognized by the acolytes, I am not liking this dynamic. Especially when you remember how those first-gen acolyte girls worshipped Aang in the comics. I am sure any acolyte would be honoured to mother the next airbender generation. A similar sentiment to Mary accepting to get pregnant with Jesus. Just eww. And when you factor in Pema's homewrecker advice to Korra...ugh. It's the same kind of vibe as the CEO divorcing his nagging wife to get frisky with the young, adoring, just-out-of-college secretary :(

I swear LOK gets worse and worse every day. Tenzin is still one of my favourite characters from the series (not that the bar is very high) but I am reconsidering my view of this guy. And of his wife.

#anti pemzin #anti pemaxtenzin #air acolytes #tenzin critical #lin beifong critical #anti lok #avatar the legend of korra #tenzin #lin beifong #anti pema #pema critical

[faerromagnetic]

I honestly do not get why the majority opinion on here seems to be that The Acolyte is an Anti-Jedi Hit Piece. A Sith Propagands Show. The Acolyte is to The Jedi as Das Kapital is to Capitalism.

Like, you do know the person speaking that line is a villain right? You do know that High Republic has a history of bad guys framing the Jedi and the Republic as Fascists and Dictators right?

Why is this any different? Why are y'all acting like this is an HBomberguy call out and take down piece over the Jedi?

The saddest part is, this will never be seen by literally anyone. The only people talking about this show is just posting to rant about how much Disney hates the Jedi. Goddamn.

#star wars #the acolyte #pro jedi #pro-jedi #anti-jedi #anti jedi #pro Acolyte

[acewizardinspace]

With what we know already about The Acolyte's plot (sibling of a jedi mad they are not force sensitive) and what we are seeing in Ahsoka (Sabine training as a jedi despite not being force sensitive) I have a big fear about the show.

Here is what I think is going to happen: The sith so kindly take in this not force sensitive person out of the goodness of their hearts and give her training unlike the mean jedi. This training unlocks in them the ability to use the force, proving the jedi were totally wrong in not taking them in. There will be some kind of fight between siblings which ends with the sibling realizing that the jedi were wrong and the sith just misunderstood.

Obviously, I want this theory to be wrong, holy shit I want it to be wrong soooo bad, but this is my guess. It feels like they are opening a (a very bad stupid illogical) door with the Ahsoka series, and this feels like the only natural conclusion.

#anti the acolyte #i don't want to be salty about a show that isn't even out yet #like i want to be hopeful!! #but ughhhhh everything we have heard is sooo bad #my posts #my thoughts

[katatonicimpression]

Choosing to believe that this LLM generated spam blog is about bennet:

#idk run by one of the Acolytes as a joke #but also something about post new age grifty spam sings to me with him #he's anti vaxx coded #shitpost #bennet du paris #exodus #'the ultimate tool for influencing minds effortlessly' and it's just actual telepathy

[short-wooloo]

In light of the oncoming anti Jedi nightmare of the acolyte (and filoni's crap) let us take solace in the fact that when asked if Rey would have any bio kids, Daisy Ridley's response was "no she's a Jedi"

#Daisy proving she understands SW and the Jedi better than filoni and the majority of the fandom #god i hope she gets to work on a Jedi project with Deborah Chow someday #wooloo-writes #wooloo writes #star wars #sw #daisy ridley #rey #rey skywalker #jedi #pro jedi #in defense of the jedi #anti acolyte #anti the acolyte #acolyte critical #the acolyte critical #anti filoni

[antianakin]

Shows I Should Be Getting From Star Wars:

Andor Season 2

A clone show that doesn't disrespect Temuera Morrison and the themes of the clones

Reva spin-off showrun by Deborah Chow

Jedi positive story that isn't literally written for toddlers

Shows I Am Getting From Star Wars:

The Sith Were Right All Along (Ugly)

The Sith Were Right All Along (Pretty)

The Clones Sucked All Along

#star wars #andor #reva sevander #temuera morrison #clone troopers #anti tbb #anti acolyte #anti the acolyte #anti ahsoka show

[red-raven-reading]

There are certain fandoms that just need to be left alone for a while. They've poked and prodded and tugged and twisted them until they're all out of shape, and the fans either have given up or are holding out for a miracle that they'll somehow retcon everything to be OK again.

Just let them be, and then, if there's a good idea and the fans have had time to forgive, reboot it like Doctor Who 2005, where the whole 'the Doctor is half human!' revelation is never mentioned, and everyone pretends like that never happened.

#fandom #doctor who #lord of the rings #tolkien #anti rings of power #star wars #anti the acolyte #doctor who the movie #we're all tired

[nateofgreat]

Yep, it sucked.

"This isn't about good or bad (lol yeah right), this is about power and who's allowed to use it." :(

The Jedi: Everyone can! Other Force traditions are allowed and you're free to leave the Jedi if you like. Just please don't murder or oppress people.

The Sith: JUST US OR WE'LL KILL YOU GAHHHHHH!

Case closed I guess. But I have the feeling the show will come to the opposite conclusion or at least suggest that the Jedi are the root cause of the Galaxy's problems when they aren't.

#Star Wars #anti the Acolyte #The Acolyte critical #Pro Jedi #The Jedi Order #The Sith #The Acolyte trailer #I'm sure I'll have more to say once I've absorbed it more

[justarandomgirly]

Lesley Headland rounded up victims for Harvey Weinstein and now we are supposed to believe she cares about women??? Hahahahaha.

#anti disney #lesley headland #acolyte #star wars