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yall-hate-kids-tourney · 3 months

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Round 4: Mabel Pines (Gravity Falls) vs. Amane Momose (MILGRAM)

Propaganda below the cut

Mabel Pines (12):

I literally saw a tiktok today about how Mabel is a bad person. She’s 12! Like yes, she has made some mistakes and bad choices, but so has everyone else. And I never see any of the other characters in the show criticized the way she is. Everyone in the show has made mistakes (Grunkle Stan commits crimes practically every episode ffs) but because Mabel is a 12 year old girl and acts like it, she gets the most hate. Mabel deserves to be loved 🩷

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girl gets so much flack for being... immature and kind of selfish at age 12? like she had whole video essays made on why she is a horrible person who deserves punishment. god forbid girls be silly

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!!! Spoilers for Gravity Falls last 5 episodes !!!

This has gone down a lot but when the Weirdmaggedon arc was happening, the finale of the series, a big part of the fandom started hating Mabel because she accidentally caused the Weirdmaggedon (basically an apocalypse + bizarre shit like the water tower becoming an eight-legged monster with a giant mouth).

For context, in the episode that starts this arc, "Dipper and Mabel vs The Future", Mabel is really excited to the end of their summer vacation at Grunkle Stan's house, since it will be her and Dipper's 13th birthday and they will enter high school (her idea of high school of course coming from teen movies). But then this whole idea starts to shatter when Wendy tells her that high school isn't like a Disney musical, but it's okay, she will get through this since she will be with Dipper, her twin brother...

Except, that Dipper receives an invitation by Grunkle Stan's scientist brother Ford to become his apprentice after summer ends, staying in Gravity Falls, without Mabel. When she discovers it, she gets really mad at him and in a fit of rage, she accidentally picks Dipper's bag instead of hers and runs off to the woods.

When she gets there, Blendin, a time-travelling friend of theirs finds her and tells her that he has a way of making her brother stay with her, and make the summer take a little more to end, and that he just needed a little thing that Dipper has in his bag. That thing is a dimensional rift that Dipper and Ford contained to not cause the Weirdmaggedon, but Mabel didn't knew about that and gives it to Blendin. Blendin then breaks it and it's revealed that Bill Cipher was controlling Blendin to get the rift and release the Weirdmaggedon. He then traps Mabel in a bubble, starting the final arc of the series.

So, a few episodes later, that bubble she's in is revealed to be a world of fantasy that she controls, and that she didn't want to leave that world, as she was scared of growing up etc.

Context given, A LOT OF PEOPLE HATED HER FOR THIS. Suddenly people started seeing Mabel as just a selfish girl who wanted things only her way, when she was only a 12-year-old scared of growing up without her twin brother (they do end up going back together at the end but still).

The worst part is that apparently the people behind it took note of this, and on the comics that where released after the finale, she is a selfish spoiled brat. I haven't read the comics though so I'm going off what some people said about it.

Amane Momose (12):

Amane was voted guilty in the first trial so that she would acknowledge her guilt. It backfired, and now she’s considered a threat. Well, everyone is a threat, but nobody’s threat level has been as heavily discussed and debated as hers. Consider the next prisoner in line, Mikoto. He’s objectively more dangerous and cannot be restrained. He beat up the guard in trial 1, and he was able to hold his own when the other guilty prisoners were attacked. But a good incentive to forgive him is so that he will calm down. You know what? That’s a good incentive to forgive Amane too! But she *can* be restrained, so a good portion of the discussion went into how she should be voted guilty so she *will* be restrained and not a threat. Since her vote was a near 50/50, of course a good chunk of the voters expressed dissatisfaction with her forgiven verdict. Some are already planning to vote her guilty for trial 3, calling her a “lost cause”. She hasn’t even done any concrete harm yet. Hold the pitchforks until she actually causes harm, please? And what if she *was* voted guilty in trial 2? We’ve been warned that she will continue to deny our judgement. A second guilty verdict won’t make her better either, and then what? She’d be called a “lost cause” as well. There is no winning with her.

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Where do I even start? So first of all she’s an cult child who was physically and mentally abused and tortured by her parents and then (presumably) murdered her mother after her mother killed a cat that she took care of.

Now everyone in Milgram is a murderer but when Amane came and her MV showed her murder and circumstance in an admittedly highly fictionalized depiction of it the audience decided to…repeat the cycle of abuse!

She was voted guilty for the main reason of “teaching her” and helping her “realize that she was abused.” I would like to note that this tough love approach is something her parents utilized against her. “We are only doing this to help you.”

So the audience replicates Amane’s abusers and repeats the cycle of abuse and that’s pretty shitty but it isn’t exactly “Fuck Em Kids” level.

And then Trial 2 happened. Cause Amane is bitter and angry and horrifically traumatized so she acts aggressive and hostile. Especially towards another prisoner.

Now, again, everyone here is a fucking murderer (of atleast could be constructed as one) These people being able to Harm is a core concept of this series.

Yet for some reason it feels like people treat Amane as a “delusional creepy kid who wants to kill people” which completly takes away the nuance of her character. She does have the capacity to harm! Everyone here does! She’s not Uniquly Dangerous! She just has a Reason to be Dangerous. A Reason we GAVE HER by REPEATING THE CYCLE OF ABUSE.

In short: In a series full of Murderers I’m honestly a bit pissed that the 12 year old abuse victim is the one who’s treated like the guy from American Pyscho.

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TL;DR: "We metavoted this abused, indoctrinated child guilty in trial 1, but it didn't work. Now she is a threat to three grown adults: one who is fully free and two whom she has been shown to get along with. Please metavote her guilty again so she will be restrained and unable to attack them, even though that means subjecting her to further psychological torture." Amane Momose is the youngest of ten murderers, prisoners of Milgram who are to be judged innocent (forgiven) or guilty (unforgiven). In the first interrogation (voice drama), she said that what she did was in line with her religion's doctrines. If we judged her the "wrong way", she said she will just deny the verdict. Combining the voice drama and music video, you could piece together that she was raised in a cult and abused, even though she is cheerful and downplays her pain. She never shows *who* she killed, only *why* she did. After the first day of her vote, she was 81% innocent, but this wouldn't last the whole three months. Many people voted her guilty so she would "see her sins", part of the practice commonly known as "metavoting". Her innocent percentage rapidly decreased, and she hit guilty in the last 15 days, finishing at 51% guilty. At the end of the first trial, Jackalope (who is something like a host) went over all the prisoners' verdicts and commented on the general reasoning. When he got to Amane, he *laughed* at the audience for voting that way to make her realize her sins. Trial 2 rolled around, and it was revealed that Amane's victim was her abuser. On day one, she was at 74% innocent. Seems like a cut-and-dry case now, right? Well... in the intermission, two of the prisoners (Fuuta and Mahiru) were badly beaten up and became reliant on the care of Shidou, a doctor. Amane became hostile to Shidou because what he was doing was against her beliefs. She visited all three of them on their birthdays to convince them to change their ways. She seems to be especially close to Fuuta, who is now murmuring about salvation. Guilty prisoners are psychologically tortured, forced to listen to voices that reject their beliefs. Fuuta and Mahiru both say that the mental strain is worse than their physical injuries. But Amane, who also looks worse for wear, was thrown under the bus because she isn't injured and is considered a physical threat to them (never mind that she gets along with them). She's considered a threat to Shidou, a grown man who is twice her size and fully free, while she is partially restricted by the long sleeves in her trial 2 uniform. She might indoctrinate Fuuta even though, in a prison of ten people and one guard, she's the only voice of her cult. Fortunately, she got a break. Her vote was falling at a similar rate to the first trial. But this time, it stabilized at 51% innocent, 12 days before the end of her vote. But there's no way this is over.

#yall hate kids tourney #round 4 #gravity falls #mabel pines #milgram #milgram project #amane momose #momose amane #cw child abuse #cw cults #cw torture #cw psychological torture #cw animal death

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turtleblogatlast · 7 months

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[ cw: death mention / immortality mention / imprisonment mention / torture implied / ]

I think one of the reasons why I love to explore the idea of the Prison Dimension and especially Leo being trapped there for considerably longer than canon is that, well, literally anything is possible. Time could pass the same or it could pass faster or it could pass slower or it could go so slow for years and at random outshoot earth by half a decade or vice versa like-?? It’s such a malleable concept.

And I think that very same malleability is what makes it so horrifying.

Because you can toy with the concept of death to its utmost there. You can choose to keep it as with the outside’s reality, where death by injury or sickness or even old age may occur. Or you can assume it is a place that simply won’t let its prisoners die, and that whoever enters is doomed to eternal life in endless void. Or even still, maybe you can die, but you’re rewound, or your soul can’t escape (or is kept there), and now you’re in a cycle, back and forth between life and death.

That doesn’t even touch upon whether the inhabitants can age, or grow, or if they need sustenance, or sleep, or if there’s any other life in there at all aside from who you’re thrown in with. And, if there is other life, is that life friendly? And could you even come across it in the vastness of the space?

How big is the Prison Dimension, even? If you went forward one direction for as long as you could, would you never run out of space, or would it cycle you back around to the other side? Gravity seems to be both there and not, so I wonder if the dimension is random in regard to how that works.

And, further, I wonder about the possibility of the dimension being even slightly sentient, and the potential horror that could imply.

The Prison Dimension is an endlessly fascinating concept to me, and the thought of Leo being trapped there, and not getting out when he did…that’s horror, really and truly.

#rottmnt #rottmnt leo #rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles #prison dimension #it’s just SO INTERESTING #but man is it the stuff of nightmares #I could talk about the prison dimesion for hours it’s so cool to tackle #death mention /#immortality mention /#imprisonment mention /#torture implied /#< because that’s essentially what the dimension is mainly for isnt it #there are SO MANY THINGS that could be the case with the place #like one has to wonder too if the only way to truly perish is to simply lose yourself completely #so many possibilities #SIDENOTE BUT ON THE TOPIC OF GRAVITY #My personal interpretation is that gravity there essentially averages out so unless you are pushed down you just float in place #but if you ARE pushed down (or SMACKED down) then it’s as if you were hit by something like eight times the amount of force

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billford-dump · 6 months

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Bill has a rather liberal interpretation of what 'attraction' means, not much of which really lines up with human types of attraction, and most of which he would describe as "obsession" and then not elaborate. Obsession just means something's interesting/important after all, and he's not one to be attracted to unimportant people.

(details under a cut since its on the long side)

Romantic is a positive obsession. An "I like this person and will devote time and interest to them" and "I want to make them happy", but usually in the same way a human wants a virtual pet to be happy. It's shallow and fleeting.

Sexual, doesn't even have anything to do with sex. To him, sex is just a fun thing to do, therefore sexual attraction is what he feels towards people he wants to do fun things with. This can lead to occasional miscommunication.

Platonic is a catch-all term for anything that doesn't fit into another category, and one of the ones he probably feels most often. Someone he wants to keep in his life, that he wants to become a constant, even if it's just temporary. He doesn't have to like them, but they at least need to be interesting.

Antagonistic is a desire for an enemy, someone to fight and compete with. Usually not particularly deep or fulfilling, since he doesn't see many people as being on his level, but his little antagonistic flings are a good distraction.

Aesthetic, I like looking at you. You're pretty, unique, pleasing to the eye. Usually symmetrical, but asymmetry can be charming too. Easiest way to tell if he feels this way about someone is that he doesn't blink around them.

Obsessive he is so normal about that guy. New special interest. Devote all your time to them. Play with them, make them suffer, make them happy, make their wildest dreams and worst nightmares a reality, just see how they react to every little thing he can throw their way because he is fascinated by their reactions.

Destructive is literally I want to destroy you. I want to make you suffer. You would look great covered in your own blood, crying, begging for death. You'll only get it once you stop being fun to hurt, but I don't hate you.

#gravity falls #bill cipher #bill is in fact the kind of guy who views a desire to recreationally torture a person as “attraction”

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ferretwhomst · 10 months

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alright guys. poll time

just wanted to ask because from what i can tell the gf fandom doesn't really seem to have a general fandom-wide consensus on this ship. rbs would be appreciated!!! also feel free to elaborate in the tags which option you chose and why! i'd love to hear people's reasoning :-)

#personally i have super mixed feelings on billford #people sometimes boil down their relationship to “haha they fight like a divorced couple” and yeah it's an easy generalization but #i really hate when people skip over the aspects of their dynamic which are Fucked Up #like... bill was abusive and manipulative to ford from the start. and ford was fucking OBSESSED with him #and his time with bill left a lasting mark on him for years and years #that's not even including how bill fucking tortured ford during weirdmageddon #my point is they aren't HEALTHY. they never were #and i think the only way to do their relationship justice is to keep the unhealthy dynamic #while also acknowledging how fucked up it is #there isn't a single world where ford is normal about bill and vice versa #i don't necessarily mean that romantically tho because i don't really ship billford myself #i'm just observing from the sidelines as i take a bite out of my platonic stan twins and fiddauthor fanworks yk #ok this got long.#what i'm trying to say is their dynamic was fucked up as hell and it would stay like that even if they were gay 4 each other #anyways #ferret rambles #gravity falls #bill cipher #gf bill cipher #stanford pines #ford pines #grunkle ford #gf ford #billford #poll

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allamericanb-tch · 12 days

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who’s afraid of widdle ol’ me? well you should be.

#HELP #i think i’m hilarious #taylor swift #ttpd #the tortured poets department #gravity falls #gideon gleeful

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filmnoirsbian · 2 years

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07/30

#this one got really long and while part 1 is obviously abt heracles part 2 goes into helen :) my tortured demigod children of zeus #who suck madness and fate towards them like gravity wells unable to escape tragedy but ultimately surviving the narrative bc they are #still demigods in the end #poetry #spilled ink #napowrimo #my writing #tcp #in the beginning #heracles #id in alt text

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unsightlythinker · 3 months

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He is a nerd.

He is a badass.

He has a physical disability/deformity.

He has 12 PhDs.

I am him. I aspire to be like him.

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thebookofbill · 1 month

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TAYLOR WHY IS THIS FUCKING ALBUM SO STANFORD PINES CODED I AM GOING INSANE AND I’M ONLY ON THE FIFTH SONG

#taylor swift #gravity falls #the tortured poets #stanford pines #I WILL elaborate later #ts ttpd

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musicalgolem · 1 month

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Crash the party like a record scratch as I scream Just a silly thing that wouldn't leave my head.

#gravity falls #gideon gleeful #gideon gf #taylor swift #the tortured poets department #whose afraid of little old me #gf #meme #t swift #ts ttpd #ttpd

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cryptidko · 5 months

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Isn't it fun to wake up in a cold sweat after a nightmare where Bill Cipher appeared in front of you ominously, and then waking up to find a B&N receipt in your email...

And having no recollection of buying the book at all

#god help me what the fuck #this actually happened btw #srs #in the dream he tortured me for a full on 6 hours #and i wake up to THIS?!?#being a system is fun haha #book of bill #gravity falls

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thereareeyesinsidethetrees · 7 months

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something interesting i realized just recently is that ford went back and wrote those notes in invisible ink on the anomaly entries. they were not there when he first wrote them

which means, one, he read back- at the very least- through all of the anomaly entries (i don’t have black light edition so i can’t check everything to see exactly where he added things). he wrote those entries after having already known bill. can’t imagine how it must have felt to look back on that part of his life again

two, nonetheless, even in his sleep-deprived hallucinatory state, he put in the effort to add notes. and he got all of them right (all the ones that we get to see in-show anyway). zombie skulls really can be shattered by a perfect three-part harmony. gnomes really do go feral like that. even with the hopeless situation he was in, he still thought of and put care into his research

three, it makes the quote ‘some brother you turned out to be. you care more about your dumb mysteries than your family’ really hurt. all his life, mysteries and weirdness were a comfort to him. even when he was losing his mind, being regularly injured by a demon who could actively change the way his brain functioned, anomalies were still a comfort to him. the weirdness was familiar in a way that allowed him a sense of normalcy. just a moment of calm. it’s something bill can’t take away and it’s something that can’t just leave him

and stan calls them stupid. and stan accuses ford of being selfish for pursuing them. and stan says ford is uncaring for immersing himself so heavily in them instead of turning to a family made up of an abusive threat, a pathological liar, someone who isn’t there, and someone who, in his eyes, didn’t even really ever care about him at all

and it’s the last thing he hears before he’s thrust into a foreign world that completely severs him from every source of comfort he ever had

#gravity falls #ford pines #stanford pines #moral of the story stan said just as much fucked up shit as ford did and i need the fandom to fucking acknowledge that #‘oh but stan was-’ no. zip. if ford being tortured by a demon (TWICE. THIS HAS HAPPENED TO HIM TWICE) doesn’t cut him any slack #then i don’t care what the hell stan was going through he doesn’t get any slack either #and this is what happens when you write tags at two in the morning #my apologies for the aggressiveness. not taking back my point though

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yall-hate-kids-tourney · 2 months

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Loser Finals: Mabel Pines (Gravity Falls) vs. Amane Momose (MILGRAM)

It's rematch time!

Propaganda below the cut

Mabel Pines (12):

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girl gets so much flack for being... immature and kind of selfish at age 12? like she had whole video essays made on why she is a horrible person who deserves punishment. god forbid girls be silly

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!!! Spoilers for Gravity Falls last 5 episodes !!!

So, a few episodes later, that bubble she's in is revealed to be a world of fantasy that she controls, and that she didn't want to leave that world, as she was scared of growing up etc.

Amane Momose (12):

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So the audience replicates Amane’s abusers and repeats the cycle of abuse and that’s pretty shitty but it isn’t exactly “Fuck Em Kids” level.

And then Trial 2 happened. Cause Amane is bitter and angry and horrifically traumatized so she acts aggressive and hostile. Especially towards another prisoner.

Now, again, everyone here is a fucking murderer (of atleast could be constructed as one) These people being able to Harm is a core concept of this series.

In short: In a series full of Murderers I’m honestly a bit pissed that the 12 year old abuse victim is the one who’s treated like the guy from American Pyscho.

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#yall hate kids tourney #loser finals #gravity falls #mabel pines #milgram #milgram project #amane momose #momose amane #cw child abuse #cw cults #cw torture #cw psychological torture #cw animal death

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somedudewithantlers · 1 month

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gravity falls reboot(?) where everything’s the same except they refer to bill cipher with she/her

#her voice is the same her appearance is the same her methods of psychological & physical torture r the same what ppl think of her is same #everything’s the same ONLY thing that’s different abt bill is she/her instead of he/him #actually maybe we shouldn’t have this cuz the sheer gender envy i’d get would make me implode #gravity falls #bill cipher #gender stuff

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billford-dump · 1 year

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Bill and Ford having an argument, Bill makes some comment about Ford being his friend, and Ford obviously replies with "no I'm not". Bill isn’t very happy with that response.

Because Ford is Bill's friend, whether he likes it or not. Whether Bill likes it or not, and he knows, logically, that if anyone else had done the things Ford did he would have killed them long ago. But it doesn't matter, because until the end of time Bill is going to call Ford his friend. They're going to be friends, and that won't change.

The moment Bill says "until the end of time" is the moment Ford realizes that, a little over thirty years ago, he may have said something that resulted in... unintended consequences.

It's the moment he realizes Bill might not entirely have a choice. He has to be Ford's friend, it was part of their deal. And Bill, try as he might, can't break deals on his own.

When Ford tries to call off the deal himself, Bill just laughs. Both sides need to agree to end a deal, or nothing happens.

And Bill refuses to agree to it, because he knows that without the protection of being "friends", there is very little that would stop him from putting Ford through so much pain he would beg to die. (A lie. He doesn’t know what he would do.) He knows he wants out of the deal, out of the magic binding and shaping his thoughts so unnaturally, but he has limits when it comes to his friends. (Truth.) He doesn't have limits with enemies. (Truth.)

Without the deal, Ford would be his enemy. (He desperately hopes this is true.) And since they're friends, he can't let that happen.

(Another lie.)

(He's scared that letting go of the deal won't change anything.)

#billford #gravity falls #bill cipher #ford pines #side note the deal doesnt actually make bill like ford #it just made him not particularly interested in hurting or killing him #and makes him literally refer to ford as his friend sometimes #any affection he feels is entirely from him but he prefers being able to say its because of a deal and he cant control it #'but what about weirdmageddon where he tortured ford?'#freedom is worth hurting his friends for

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