#fandom negativity CW

[thecruellestmonth]

Yes, poor people insist on eating cheap food and refusing to learn to cook. They wouldn't want better even if they did have the resources, that's just how they are by nature.

Thank you for correcting those ignorant Jason stans. Their headcanons of Jason being a good cook and enjoying fancy food are so seriously harmful.

Cass (who canonically lacks a lot of home skills and greatly enjoys eating other people's food) is one of the best cooks. Bruce (canonically a terrible cook who can't even make a sandwich) "does okay"—sure, it's your headcanon. Alfred, the classy British guy, is logically a great cook and "super posh". We can sum up Tim's unimpressive cooking skills just briefly.

But we need an entire section describing your headcanon about how Jason can't cook and needs to stick to "poverty comfort foods", because he comes from a poor background.

#Jason is such an a-hole and his personality is so repulsive and there are so many colorful ways to hate him. #Why do so MANY of you insist on blatant/veiled classism and ableism and abuse apologism? It's just not very creative or cool. #Jason Todd #fanon #fanon vs canon #canon vs fanon #You know what's a great ''poverty comfort food''?? Canned fruit! Ask me how I know! #I love Cass but when has she shown interest in cooking other than loving to eat? Her tastes seem VERY similar to Jason's in canon. #I mean if she really needs to win ''THE Number One Most-Like-Bruce Except Better'' Competition then she should be a bad cook too. #But tbh I think ''bad cook'' is a really weird trait to assign to fictional power fantasies. Cooking shouldn't be hard for those people. #If you can disarm a bomb and assemble a gun then you can follow step-by-step instructions to cook something simple and wholesome. #So even though Bruce is CANONICALLY a bad cook--I still headcanon that all the Bats are at least decently competent at cooking. #fandom negativity CW #fandom drama CW

[antimony-medusa]

on Consequences in minecraft streaming

Okay so one of the real common things that I've been seeing lately is an increasingly passionate call for certain characters to experience Consequences (and the rest of the post always makes it clear that they mean a specific type of definatively negative repercussions) for their actions during QSMP events. And aside from the absolute deja vu of having seen these same calls when DSMP was airing, and how that turned out (sorry, the syndicate did not all have a meeting where they apologized for their sins while tommy told them they were horrible people), I'm not 100% sure if that's going to happen or pan out in the exact way that I think people are aiming for and expecting will happen.

I keep seeing a lot of people saying that it would be bad writing if people don't get "consequences" for their actions, and what they're specifically asking for is punishment and for people to realize what they're doing was wrong. BBH is supposed to repent for furniture thefts and torturing the people keeping him from his kid. Phil is supposed to realize that actually he's good at PVP and apologize for saying that his team has been suffering in purgatory. Tubbo is supposed to fill in his tubhole and only do things other people ask him to do.

But like, so much of the time, what we're seeing is these streamers being interested in writing morally grey characters, just some little guys who make bad decisions, and the thing about characters being morally grey is that they don't always have a come to jesus moment and become morally pure. Sometimes they just keep being morally grey. Sometimes they get worse on purpose.

Maybe BBH never decides that torturing that guy was bad, because he wanted to get his FUCKING KID back. Like, I seriously think you have to be prepared for that character arc to never end in Bad going "that was wrong to do", and maybe his cubito will still be happy. Phil is a dude with anxiety who's been sure that his kids are going to die from the moment he got to purgatory, streaming at 1-4 in the morning while other teams break into their base, even if bolas goes insane and scrapes out a win I think it's way more likely that that team is gonna go "what a wild fluke that's the power of gas masks" and not have a moment where they go "it was unfair of us to assume that we were underpowered, I guess everybody else was the underdogs! Our bad." Tubbo is tubbo, he's already building a new create thing, he is not going to apologize for leaving marks on the landscape with mod packs.

Like, the streamers are interested in making human characters, making interesting decisions, not communicating moral lessons to their fanbases. Bad is operating within a Taken film, not a sermon. Quackity wants his cubito to be pathetic, gay, and out for revenge, not to communicate the importance of forgiveness to those who hurt you. Tubbo's victory condition is having a nice date with Fred, full stop, does not care who he has to run over to get there.

Absolutely I think there are people intentionally doing corruption/villany arcs on the server, and they probably intend for that to lead places. There will be Consequences, as in, things will happen. Cellbit is doing cannibalsm on purpose, and not as a teaching moment about how good cannibalism is for your social bonds. But like, maybe that leads to him being thrown out of his family and not trusted because of his sins, OR maybe it leads to him murdering his way through a federation complex, facing down a bloody cucurucho, and going "you made me into you and I hate this" and eating him. Narrative consequences does not always mean punishment and a return to moral purity. Sometimes people just do bad things, and then repercussions happen, but they don't necessarily "see the error of their ways". The specific call for like— retribution and repentance as the consequences people are going for— for punishment— if a character has done something bad they don't "deserve" good things to happen to them and it's bad writing for that to happen— I just don't think that those are the stories the creators are necessarily interested in telling.

And secondly, what people are often asking for is character conflict— they want people to be socially excluded by characters they feel have been wronged, and learn the error of their ways that way until they apologize sufficiently. Phil is gonna hate BBH or Tubbo is going to hate Roier or something once they return from Purgatory. People want their cubitos to have beef with each other.

But the thing is, on a meta level, I don't doubt that the entire admin team and streaming team on QSMP is just screamingly aware that this fandom cannot be trusted with conflict. The election was just part of it, but I made it through the election, and Purgatory has been so much more unpleasant— and I am not just talking about twitter. This website, tumblr, has been full of people fighting each other for their teams. And I am not just saying "red team fans have been bad", because boy have I been staring in horrified awe at the takes that some red team people have been putting forward (what on EARTH do you mean BBH deserves to have his kid die, touch grass immediately), but if I step outside of red team circles, everyone is talking about how red team people are horrible hypocrites who win too much and only deserve to suffer (I saw this posting the day that blue had back to back wins, so it isn't even tied to how well red is doing). The quality of the discourse has been increasingly unpleasant, and this has been taking place in streamer's chats, on twitter, in discords, and here on tumblr.

Every QSMP streamer is increasingly aware that having conflict with another streamer is basically sending a wave of negativity their way, and setting off bombs in the fandom at the same time. And they're all friends with each other! Sometimes they decide that the story beat they're going for is worth it and just tell each other to stay off twitter, but like, you have got to be prepared that maybe they will just be friends again. And that might be weaker writing, for people to keep forgiving each other, but that is an unfortunate aspect of the technical aspects of this medium and this fandom. Maybe the creators would be more willing to have character conflict if they didn't know that that meant the person they were mad at in-game would get death threats on social media.

Like no fucking wonder Phil apologized for getting mad at Wil within the same stream and before Wil said sorry to him. This is why the French have given up on revolution arcs, you know it's why the women are all very careful to get along with people. All of those creators know the cost of making anyone into a villain, and I'm just saying maybe get prepared that we won't have inner-party conflict. Maybe they'll decide it's worth it for a fun story moment! Maybe they won't. Maybe don't get 100% married to the idea that the only good writing possible moving forward is for people to be thrown out of the community and then repent for their sins.

#qsmp #fandom meta #discourse #negativity #this is also just screamingly culturally christian of you but that lies beyond the scope of this post #cw cannibalism

[murky-tannin]

Never seen a fandom so in love with saying "delulu" until the qsmp fandom. Guys please take a step back and think about if that is a term you want to be throwing around💀 Tubbo who used this term more then any other qsmp streamer realized it was wrong and is trying to stop using it, you can too

#qsmp #not like. PISSED because I doubt anyone is doing it maliciously #but we don't need to encourage it either #cw ableism #qsmp discourse #fandom neg #no your favorite streamer shouldn't be saying it either

[dappersautismcreature]

people on twt irk me so much and i wish i was talkin abt this in better circumstances but like O___O

the qsmp is hugely abt grief, especially the beginning, when like 3 eggs died within a few weeks, and then when bobbyy died even more so. death literally haunts this server.

im so grateful for it coming along because it allowed me to process my own very recent grief (our system has a qslime introject that deals with that grief) so it just grinds my gears when people use that grief to justify CHILD MURDER,, when child death is what caused that grief in the first place.

qslime was perpetuating a cycle, of violence, thats not a good thing

when a young person dies there is a lot of anger that comes with that grief, trust me, I know, so claiming that inflicting that pain on another person is fine? eurgh

responsibility for your actions people. like fuck dude!

anyways i just want to remind people, as ive been doing on twt for the past hour, that qslime tried to murder dapper very intently, as well as bobby and i think ramon? and has not shown to qbad that he has changed totally, or healed totally. all things considered i think qbad (at least on the island) has been very kind to him, giving him stuff and telling him he can always stop by and hang out. why should he lie to sunny.

#aaaaa #anyways #qsmp #twitter neg #discourse #fandom neg #q!slime #q!badboyhalo #cw child death

[oddlyzephyrous]

toxic fucking red team watchers need to chill the FUCK OUT right the FUCK NOW because rn it is hard for me to make ANY posts about red team or how good they're doing or how much i like them without feeling like i'm one of said toxic watchers. it almost feels rude to be a red team fan rn because of how awful it is. I see all the lovely people on this tag who are Green or Blue fans having a really bad experience or becoming red haters PURELY BECAUSE OF Y'ALL. I want to have some stupid fun with my stupid silly BALLS TEAM STREAMERS and the abhorrent behavior is actively ruining everyone's enjoyment. Fuck. Idk i'm just fucking mad about it. I wanna celebrate red's wins without people thinking i'm an asshole purely by association with this part of the fanbase. it's fucking embarrassing.

#qsmp #qsmp fandom neg #neg #cw swearing #im just pissed rn and wanted to get it out there. #if i didn't tag anything that should be tagged let me know #im still getting the hang of tagging etiquette

[neon-moon-beam]

Not Again: Ableism Post-Teal Mask Edition

Hey, how about NOT being ableist towards Carmine and Kieran?

We've already dealt with N and Submas experiencing this since Gen 5's initial run, we've dealt with Volo and then Nemona, and definitely more but those are the big ones.

Lately there seems to be this tendency of people to want to diagnose every character and you don't actually need to give every single character an armchair diagnosis right out the gate. While representation is important and some characters have enough in their characterization to suggest an illness or disability, or even seem outright coded, not every character is, or needs to be. If a character strongly resonates with your experience with an illness or disability, that's one thing; many autistic people feel seen and validated by Submas, for example. But if you're grasping at straws or stretching a character's actions or situations to make them "fit" a diagnosis, it often comes across more as pathologizing characters rather than humanizing them. It's important to not only think about why you want to portray a character this way, but whether or not it fits with their characterization and if you're using it to show an accurate portrayal, or if you're just using it to excuse/dismiss their hurtful actions, or even demonize the character.

Spoilers for the Teal Mask DLC ahead. CW for ableism.

There's a huge difference between say, Submas who are so heavily autistic-coded you'd have a harder time arguing they aren't, and someone like Kieran who shows rejection sensitivity that may or may not be a symptom of something else, or Carmine, who appears explosive and a cruel bully, but it turns out her anger comes from places of worry as well as being angry about innocent people and Pokemon being wronged. Her decision to not tell Kieran they met Ogerpon was because she knew how much Ogerpon meant to him and how bad he would feel knowing he missed her. People have been quick to decide she has low or no empathy, when the game literally shows her having a lot of it! We also don't know Carmine and Kieran's whole stories yet. We're going to see them at Blueberry Academy next (and Kieran does tell the player that Carmine does everything for him there, which is a reason he wants to get stronger). We don't know why they're going to school there, if they have friends there or a community or if they’re outcast and bullied, or where their parents are. Their attitudes, actions, or even potential symptoms may be situational. Carmine certainly appears to be acting out to the threat of her hometown being overrun by tourists (and considering how tourism tends to impact places and its locals IRL, can you blame her?) Kieran has the conflicting situation of his sister looking out for him at school for reasons we haven’t seen yet, while also verbally cutting him down. He also identified with Ogerpon even before the player arrived at Kitakami, and maybe even projected onto her for a reason. There’s a potential for a lot to be going on here without either of them needing an instant armchair diagnosis before their story arcs are complete.

A character desperate for friends doesn't necessary indicate a personality disorder, especially when their backstory is that they were left out, bullied, or even considered an outsider to a degree in the town they grew up in. Someone like Nemona or Kieran wanting to have friends after experiencing a lot of rejection and isolation doesn't instantly mean they have a personality disorder, and even if the story ended up indicating that they did, that does not give anyone the excuse to write them as "scary" or "yandere". Personality disorders are complex in potential causes and how they manifest, and using them as shorthand to write a character being a "yandere" or abusive is ableist.

And once again, it is time to bring up the subject of “feral” or “unhinged”. Whether or not Carmine has anger issues that can be given a diagnosis or Kieran has a personality disorder or anything else that can be diagnosed doesn’t matter here. Making characters “scary and unhinged” for experiencing basic human emotions is…dehumanizing. When you decide Carmine should snap and go around hurting people, you actually sound just like the people in Kitakami who are ostracizing her and whispering behind her back, making her feel like she has no place in her own community. And the same with Kieran. The last scene of the storyline in Kitakami has him vowing to defeat the player. It comes off as a bit creepy, but it doesn’t mean he’s supposed to have been a creep all along or is turning into one; from a developer/storytelling perspective, it’s literally just creating suspense for the Indigo Disk story. While Kieran is shown to be rejection sensitive, jealous, self-isolating, and at times inconsiderate (Carmine had to remind him that Ogerpon’s feelings on who she should travel with mattered too), he’s also a kid. We don’t have an exact age, but my impression was he might be a bit younger than the player. Carmine does mention him having “teen angst” but it could be a joke as she herself is a teen claiming to be over it, and it could be one of those “older kid jokes about younger kid as though older kid is an elderly person” type of jokes. But if he is a teen, he’s a younger one, and he still has a lot to learn about managing his emotions and expressing himself constructively. Nobody is always mature about that at 13 (heck, there are adults who lack emotional maturity altogether). He shouldn’t be expected to react maturely every time to things that upset him, and he shouldn’t be pathologized or considered “unhinged” every time he doesn’t. Depicting him as “unhinged” also detracts from his positive traits that we see in conjunction with, or even in spite of his negative ones. He’s jealous of the player character’s strength and skill, but he doesn’t actually resent them, despite becoming obsessed with the idea of defeating them. Ogerpon was bonding more with the player, but he still decided to help with the situation with the masks and the Lousy Three. He’s jealous that Ogerpon wanted to go with the player, but he’s still happy for both of them. It’s much more likely that we’ll see him mature as a person and recognize his own strengths independent of Carmine and the player at the end of the Indigo Disk then see him become a “madman consumed by jealousy and pursuit of power”, because Pokemon doesn’t really tell stories like that, and certainly not with non-villain characters! And if Carmine and Kieran end up fitting a diagnosis for an illness or disability, continuing to depict them as “unhinged” based on those traits is very ableist. I and others have said it in regards to Submas so many times, but it’s true for other characters too.

And this is by no means an exhaustive list of examples of the ways people are being ableist after the Teal Mask DLC has released.

With all that said, a headcanon diagnosis doesn’t excuse a character’s actions that have hurt others, and neither does a character who’s acting out is situational. Carmine still lashes out at Kieran and hurts him, even when her intentions are to protect him. Kieran still ended up causing the revival of the Lousy Three and put the player and Ogrepon in an uncomfortable situation, and will likely put the player in an uncomfortable situation at Blueberry Academy. In the end, they’re characters being portrayed with virtues and flaws, and that humanizes them much more than slapping on a diagnosis and absolving them of every hurtful action, and certainly much more than slapping a diagnosis on them and in turn using it to demonize them. And if you’re really interested in writing characters with mental illnesses and/or disabilities, and especially if it’s not based on your own experiences, you need to do some actual research, not just watch a few short videos listing symptoms by a non-professional on the video app du jour. If you’re not sure where to look, Wikipedia articles cite their sources at the bottom of the article; you can read the page you’re interested in, but please check out the cited sources too!

Sadly, this is at least the third time in just under three years that people have immediately started depicting characters introduced, or reintroduced in Pokemon, in ways that have ended up becoming ableist. It’s disappointing and disheartening to see, and to be honest, it gets tiring for those of us talking about the issue to keep talking about it. Many of the people making the ableist depictions aren’t personally affected by the issues they misrepresent, and they can just post their art or fic, and continue on their way. But for those of us who have the illnesses and/or disabilities being misrepresented, even misrepresented as entertainment, we can’t just log off and go on our way. The reality is a series, characters, or even fandom that could be our break from everyday life, and should be our refuge, instead has a fandom that  just plays out our everyday difficulties for laughs, brings up our trauma as an excuse to write a character as “haha unhinged! ooh feral!”, treats characters the way so many of us were treated by bullies, by parents and teachers who didn’t understand, and ends up alienating us from a space that should be ours, a space some of us helped build, only to have to leave as others made it unfriendly to us. It gets so tiring to have to avoid content that should be enjoyable but isn’t, to have friends ask, “Is this really how others see me?” when yet another autistic-coded character is portrayed as unhinged and creepy, or to have them tell you how yet another fic or art dehumanized them via their favorite characters, to watch people describe a character the way your peers once described you as they made fun of or ostracized you for your neurodivergence. It’s tiring to have other fans of the same series make a space alienating, inaccessible, or even antagonistic towards you, instead of fostering community.

Come on people, please do better.

Thank you for reading my post and your consideration. And if you think other people would benefit from reading this, please give it a reblog. Likes don't do anything as tumblr has no real algorithm.

#cw: ableism #I'm neurodivergent but not autistic and I'm tired of seeing the ableism impact my friends and community so negatively #People see themselves in these characters and then they see the fandom dehumanize them via the same characters #carmine pokemon #kieran pokemon #teal mask dlc

[transphilza]

frankly even if every bad thing anyones ever said about dream was untrue i would still be glad the dsmp fandom split off from dteam the way it did because his fans are so insanely deluded its genuinely concerning

#sorry for drama posting i dont normally do this kinda thing but this is just so insanely immature my bewilderment is stronger than- #-my restraint #cw discourse #cw negativity #fandom critical #tryna tag everything! #they actually just refuse to criticize him atp 😵‍💫 #like i feel crazy

[thecruellestmonth]

Batfam™ posts are like

What are the BATFAM™'s favorite drinks?

Dick: sparkling hibiscus nectar infused with pistachio honey (bubbly and sweet just like him 💙) served in a World's Best Big Brother mug that was chipped in a hilarious incident when all three of his beloved siblings got into a wacky swordfight and sunshine big bro Dick had to make peace between them because he's a loving mother hen

Jason: vodka mixed with Earl Grey tea—in Crime Alley, street rats only ever drink alcohol because they're uneducated and miserable, but Jason also drinks tea because he's now elevated above his lowly origins (how quaint! He's Not Like The Other Poors) and to symbolize how much he LOVES his rich family

Tim: COFFEE!! brewed from a special blend of extra caffeinated Arabica beans, mixed with hazelnut non-dairy creamer (lactose hurts him just like everything and everyone in his life 😔) and one sugar cube for every hug he's ever gotten from his parents in his entire life (none) and also his tears

Damian: lemonade colored pink with Tim's blood (now Tim is dying of blood loss and it's all evil Damian's fault! how dare Damian be so cruel to Tim in this terrible scenario that I made up in my own head)

Babs:

Cass: water

Steph: water (with a bendy straw lol she's such a character)

Duke: water

#Batkids #Stephanie Brown #Cassandra Cain #Damian Wayne #Duke Thomas #Barbara Gordon #fanon vs canon #anti Batfamily #anti Batfam #Tim Drake #Dick Grayson #Jason Todd #anti Batboys #fandom discourse cw #negativity cw #Like sometimes I wonder why include characters that you are just completely disinterested in. #This blog here is like mostly Jason Todd lol. Not saying that I don't have my own faves and biases. #Even though I don't always personally enjoy WFA--I gotta give it props for not making the Batfamily revolve around the Four Batboys. #I just dislike the forced made-up 'Batboys quartet'. Dick is the only one with a bond with the other three. #Cass and Duke really bonded when they were with the Outsiders. #Jason has a fun dynamic with Duke. #Babs is the best parental figure in Cass' life. Steph is the best menace ever to Bruce and she can read him to filth. #Whatever these are my tags and I'll rant if I want to.

[andrewblurmoved]

ugh ok. i think the thing annoying me the most about the fandom is that most of y’all are not capable of just saying ‘i am disappointed about this part of the finale’ & moving on. y’all have to get the writers involved, tank the episode ratings, complain to the cast, say the entire episode was awful, etc… it’s okay to be disappointed about things !!! but the show is NOT only about buddie & if the finale upset you THAT much maybe you SHOULD stop watching & find a different show

#andrew.txt #911 #911 spoilers #negativity cw #just bc i keep getting anons i dont wanna answer them all #fandom discourse #??? not rlly but #AND coming into peoples inbox who are just trying to have a good time.

[undead-potatoes]

Truly one of the great struggles of trying to participate in any fantasy related fandom is that 90% of it is just gonna be (white) elves

#Sunny Life #Negative cw #and tieflings I guess if we're talking about BG/3 #like I don't wanna shame anyone for their own personal choices but it's just painfully noticeable when it's such a huge majority of fandom #I'd love to bitch about this a lot more but I don't wanna upset anyone so I'm just gonna sit here in a corner and huff like a big dog

[artistafrustadomain]

Could the QSMP fandom stop saying that "this character is the protagonist, and this character is the villain", I'm so tired of people saying that q!Cellbit is the protagonist, and q!Bbh is the villain, all the characters there are the protagonist of their own story, having different objectives, and having actions and consequences with their actions.

I also wish the fandom would stop saying that only q!Cellbit can solve puzzles, are you forgetting about q!Bagi? Even though it took hours she managed to find out who killed the federation workers, also q!Foolish investigating the same case of the death workers I don't even need to mention that arc where the furniture was stolen, Antoine, Aypierre, Tubbo, Pac, Fit and Niki got together to solve the riddles of the stolen furniture.

Basically what im trying to say is : stop underestimating the other characters

#qsmp #fandom neg #artistaFrustadoMain-talks #i just so tired of this. #basically what i saying is that song: Stella Jang - Villan #i just so tired people underestimating the other characters in Qsmp #mainly underestimating the women of Qsmp #like Bagi. Tina. Jaiden. Baghera and etc. #qsmp characters #cw death mention

[daisyychainssj]

Sometimes I go onto Twitter and I’m so baffled by what I’ve read I just sit there for a few minutes. I’ve seen multiple relatively big accounts within the qsmp fandom in the past few minutes tweet about how Pepito’s admin is throwing away the story of the past few days between Pepito and Roier and how the ccs are the main characters not the eggs and the admin shouldn’t be doing things that disregards the ccs lore. I’m so confused because how is Pepito sleeping outside disregarding or impacting roier’s lore in anyway???? q!roier has said MULTIPLE times that he can’t get attached to pepito, said to Pepito’s face that he loved Bobby more, Pepito has been neglected by roier and I understand why I do but that is literally the direction this has been going the past few days on day ONE Pepito literally slept in a DIRT HOLE OUTSIDE how is this any different??? People need to just admit they’re whining because they have a preference about certain admins and are upset that it’s no longer richas’ admin filling in for Pepito’s admin. Like complaining about things on Tumblr is whatever because there’s not that much of a chance it’ll be seen by the admins but the entire situation with Empanadas admin proves that people’s shitty takes can be seen by them. Ugh anyway sorry for the rant it just pissed me off especially after all the shit the admin playing Pepito got yesterday too it’s like damn people need to go outside and realise it’s not that deep fr just let the admin do their thing and relax

#qsmp #qsmp fandom neg #just in case <3 #cw twitter #twitter neg

[xannerz]

its always surreal to me to see people praise s2 of centaurworld. s2 was so spectacularly bombastic and aimless and it ended in this awkward forgettable fizzle.

i feel like a dick saying it b/c i really do love the show lmao. or, at least half of it lmao (/stares at tnwk). gf and i've been thinking about rewatching it just to write out our thoughts on why s2 was such a poor follow-up to s1 - from the tone to the setup to all the worldbuilding the narrative had to offer in between the (far more) memorable songs of s1. idk. it's sad because cw really had the bones of a cult classic, but idek if you can call it that.

ive seen a few posts commenting on its lack of popularity, and i feel like it certainly deserves more, b/c i do feel like it's a novel idea made w/ love, but the shift btwn s1 and s2 wasnt just in the plot. there was a full-on *fracture* in the quality and direction and i'm still scratching my head over it. more than i should be, probably. but, it's just a bummer.

#centaurworld #centaurworld critical #<- a tag i never thought i'd use lol #ok EDIT: fuck it im tagging this maybe there are others who'll also see their own viewing experiences in this post too #dont mind me rambling #but i got an ask on my thoughts abt cw a long time ago (hi!! i still have it 😭) and ive been wanting to write a detailed response since. #debating tagging this since the fandom's already p small and i dont wanna bump the tag with negativity #even if it is (what i feel is) p fair criticism. but idk people are sensitive and conflate it w hate idk idk #ive seen thinly-veiled hate posts in the t*ngled the series tags and it's always bothered me. #bc you can tell op just like hates xyz character or the show entirely and its like can you just come out and say it LMFAOO #but i genuinely like cw. i so so very much do. so i get bummed out! gf and some other friends and i were so excited for s2 and #when it rolled out ep by ep we were like 'it'll get better right? right?' #also tempted to just draw more cw fanart in general bc the t t s fandom is slow and if half the people dont have each other blocked #theres simply 0 overlap in fave chars or interpretations so lmao #im going back to work i just feel sour LMAO #also adding that i think a lot of people conflate a story eliciting an emotional reaction from you = its good #but ill revisit that and all these thoughts again eventually in another post. we'll see. #and i STILL want a nwk tattoo lmao. or at least an elkie. gf and i love elk bc of this guy! the impact that he has! #xangoeswah

[inevitably-johnlocked]

Dear Steph, firstly thank you so so much for your work, you‘ve lead me to so many brillant stories. I wonder what your idea might be as to what happened between season 3 and 4? Were they called back from the gay, was it all just a joke to begin with or have we fans never understood their intentions? I would sooo like to know. What do you guess?

Hey Nonny!

So glad you enjoy my blog, and continue to visit!

Ah, my speculations vary between petty / gossippy thoughts and likely causes based on speculations going around at the time.

I talked about this back in 2020, but I believe the major rumour was, at the time, the BBC was going through a shakeup in management between TAB and S4, and in turn, said management wasn't happy with the direction the series was going. WHICH makes no sense, so I suspect a threatened lawsuit from the then-copyright holders on the remaining stories, because they were ridiculous, and BBC just didn't want to deal with that, so put an axe on the original plan.

A few of my more petty, most-definitely wrong theories and gossip niblets I know of:

Mofftiss HATED that the fandom "figured out" TAB so changed the whole game plan to Shyamalan the whole series because it pissed them off that they couldn't have a twist if everyone knew.

Mofftiss supposedly REALLY didn't like the the fanbase was primarily women... JUST A RUMOUR I saw going around at the time, that's all. They wanted to bring in the more General audience and casuals and in turn ended up making something everyone hated.

Mofftiss got too full of themselves and thought they didn't need a third writer after the success of TAB. If I recall correctly, they were doing rewrites right up until filming days, so even the actors were blindsided by the scripts, I imagine.

Mofftiss just got bored with the property, because they wanted to do Dracula, so purposely sidelined it, but not enough to not still cash in on the Brand Sherlock with the Escape Rooms. This is why I think they won't confirm or deny an S5, because The Brand™ still gets them some residuals.

A big gossip/rumour going around at the time was that a certain Actor wanted to make it big like their co-stars before things got messy, and buddy-buddied up to Mofftiss so much to feature heavily in the series, and in turn screwing over a fellow co-star whom they were having a falling out with so that said Actor basically had the scripts tailored to what they wanted. Just made everyone uncomfortable, especially when said Actor was NOT supposed to drag the drama before the release of the series but they did. AGAIN, this is ALL RUMOUR and GOSSIP. Just giving you the info I saw at the time.

Those are all the rumours and gossip I remember at the moment; there's plenty more I missed, I'm sure.

It boggles me that they thought they really did something with S4, and then just played it off like the show was always that way :/

Anyway, if anyone recalls any other reasons they heard through the grapevine as to what may have happened behind the scenes, please add to this one.

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[pizzaqueen]

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#Sometimes I think about how much I've let anxiety take from me and it's...a LOT #like a lot a lot #and now I can feel it taking fandom from me too #no desire to write (and most of the last few fics I’ve posted have been…not good and I’m really sorry about that) #it’s my own fault 100% #(not just with fandom but everything for not trying harder) #but it still sucks #i guess it sucks more because I know it’s my own fault #misc #tw mental health #cw mental health #cw anxiety #personal #negative #anyway still on a break for idk how long #but the break hasn’t helped at all 😞 #and now I just feel so guilty for not being around and reblogging more stuff #and I have major FOMO #ughhhhhhh #plus my health anxiety is just so so bad rn

[echoes-lighthouse]

I will never be over people who prefer to make a canonically fucked up and abusive relationship into a 'uwu great father figure and their innocent little bean' rather than people who lean into the disturbing shit and make it romantic.

Like, yes, both are valid approaches and both of them are also fucked up approaches but the fact that one of them tends to get all holier-than-thou about it will always make me crack up.

#also the 'great father figure' one makes me worried #i'm like 'you know that isn't actually good right?' #whereas the people writing the fucked up romance shit #i'm like 'yeah you know you're writing something toxic i don't have to worry about you' #anyways #this is specifically about black butler and skulduggery pleasant #but i'm sure there are other instances #proship #ask to tag #i'm not sure what the content warning here would be #cw age gap #i guess? #fandom wank #fandom negativity #negativity #feeling spicy might delete this later :P #tw discourse #discourse mention