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#anyway this is just s1 brio :)
bensonstablers · 1 year
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I thought you wanted to be me. I mean, that's what all this is, right? You tryna put me away. I know you must got big plans. But, see, you didn't think things all the way through. It takes balls to do what I do. You wanna be the king, you gotta kill the king. This stuff's medieval, darling.
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nickmillerscaulk · 3 months
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omg! disregard my first message. SCREAM. i put the wrong show 🫢 😭 brain malfunction.
anyway, let’s try this again…. top five good girls hot takes?
and, are you team brio or team rio had a long term gf headcannon? i’ve seen so many takes on my tumblr journey.
hahaha i'm so glad you re-asked bc i have zero gossip girl hot takes and that would've been a v disappointing response! then again, idk if any of my good girls takes are hot either. but i'll try!!
this hot take is directed at nbc specifically: the fact that good girls was canceled without a formal, planned ending. it's been how many years, and i'm still upset?!! i desperately needed to see annie go to school to become an emt. they threw away such a juicy potential storyline! not a hot take, but: annie deserved better.
the music choices in s3 were garbage, save for a few songs
s3 in general was garbage, s1-2 were supreme, and s4 redeemed itself enough that i enjoyed it overall
i didn't like the introduction of nick's character at all. it really skews how i see rio in the early seasons. i just find it v hard to believe his strings were being pulled by his brother-cousin or whatever the f*ck they kept calling each other. didn't work for me. see also: phoebe and the 'secret service' HARD PASS ON THEM ALL
i didn't *hate* two of the scenes that a significant portion of the fandom felt were controversial/unnecessary at the time (rio getting shot at the end of s2 and the wire strip down scene in s4). sure there were some problematic elements to both, but i took the scenes with a grain of salt each, i guess.
to answer your second question, i never thought rio had a long term gf, and tbh it's news to me that that's a headcannon! i think he had a kid with a woman (with whom he was maybe serious with at one point) and they were co-parenting as best as they could given his... line of work lol. forever team brio, though i never *really* saw them as an endgame ~couple~. i more so envisioned them keeping up a crime colleagues with benefits-type relationship. y'know, the occasional bathroom hookup or mid-bbq fingering or car-smashing foreplay. as crime hubs/wives do.
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Random GG question for you!! If season 3 hadn’t been cut short, what do you think the ending would have been? I know they basically just continued with the storyline in S4, but I still can’t help but feel cheated of those 5 eps!
Feels like they could have wrapped up hitman, maybe SS, then maybe Rio gets arrested at end of S3? But would they have done the whole Rio get arrested fakeout for a finale when they already did it S1??
UGH just feels like if they were able to wrap up more of those storylines in S3, we could have had more interesting Beth/Rio/nick content across S4. BUT probably wishful thinking lol
Anyways, would love to hear your thoughts!
Anon! Hi! Idk what the standard turnaround is on asks here to be considered peak etiquette. I’m on vacation from work this week so naturally I’ve been ridiculously busy. 😂😂 But I’ve been thinking about this question.
I do think s3 had some whiplash moments. Like this one. Where it didn’t make much sense for why exactly Rio was behaving the way he was. But I do think that the general gist of 4.04 would have been how s3 wrapped. It had the shooting of someone (Fitz), which is how every season appears to have been planned to wrap up. And there seems to be a pretty clear delineation between Rio’s emotions pre and post Fitz execution that I think fit a little better into a natural progression leading to forgiveness.
I’ll be honest, it does hurt my brain sometimes to try and think of why the story did what it did. I don’t hate the hitman plot. I think it’s a really good way to illustrate Beth’s inner conflict. It does ask the viewer to constantly read between the lines, and the moments of emotional honesty (even when she’s being dishonest) are lost in the peripheral nonsense. That’s actually the problem with this show, now that I’m rambling about it. The peripheral nonsense. The general trajectory of how Beth grows into herself, how Rio comes to terms with his weakness, how Brio decide to slowly choose each other… That’s all fine. It could have used a little more blatant telling. A little more consistency. But ultimately… okay. But the peripheral nonsense, the time waste, the hours focused on things no one cared about and that which ultimately didn’t progress the story – all that is what bogged it down and made it feel so unsatisfying. S4, after 4.08, is basically useless filler. Too slow and too uninteresting in how it moved the primary story.
And listen, I also wanna add that it isn’t just the Brio investment that makes me say this. I’m all for quality meaningful character development for everyone. But how exactly does trash boyfriend progress Annie? If anything, he illustrates how stagnant she is in her awful life choices. How does bike gang progress Dean? Again, it just highlights the same ol’ character flaws he had from the start. I did very much enjoy the way Stan became much more honest in his resentment of Beth. I always viewed him as not loving the Bolands, and especially not Beth. So his and Ruby’s arc, to me, was pretty well paced and one of the few interesting peripheral storylines in the show. But overall, so much of the magic of seasons 1 and 2 got lost in the subsequent seasons because the peripheral writing became too rambly and lacking direction. Kinda like this post hahahaha!!
What would you have liked to have seen as a season 3 finale?
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peachraindrops · 2 years
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Hiiii! I was wondering how would you rank the seasons of GG? ☺️
Hey Anon! Thank you so much for thinking of me here. I’m not great with formulating run on thoughts into words but this is the scattered web my brain weaves when thinking about good girls from best to worst. 
Season 5 – Yes, I know we didn’t actually get to see it lol. But in my world, s5 would have been Beth finally realizing Rio has intense feelings for her and with the shift in their (mostly her) dynamic, she would finally have the headspace to realize the same. I think future seasons could have seen AMAZING things with Beth and Rio working together instead of against each other. The anarchy they would have created would have probably been unmatched. They’d be running Detroit for sure and just like ficland, they would have branched out and probably into Canada. I’m picturing Beth out in the community, getting her hands dirty and Rio taking full advantage, just watching them drain everyone around them of everything they have. Watching the city burn together. Then, Beth in Nick’s old office at his once desk with Rio getting her on top of it and just, WE WERE OWED THIS SCENE. They’re definitely crime soulmates and the chemistry was insanely palpable. 🥵🥵
Season 2 – Because well…. Season 2. 🍑🍆. Do people still use these? I feel like they don’t. Anyway, the bathroom scene. The ‘vette scene. The bedroom scene. Rio’s apartment. The couply bickering. It was all just chaotic and them, sooo peak Brio. Rio had strong and fresh feelings he obviously didn’t know how to handle, and he really just let it all hang out which he didn’t do again in the same forceful way until s4. He was consumed by her and so LOUD about it, it gives me chills just to think about. He would have given her the world if she would have paid attention. Also, Mary Pat? I get salty because she had the guts I wished Beth had all along. She was ok with pretty much anything she had to do to support her family and Beth could have taken a page or two out of her book.
Disclaimer that the s2 ending had me considering putting s2 at the bottom of the list but luckily for me I’m good at dissociating and compartmentalizing. 🙄
Season 1 – Season 1 started so strong and mildly stroke out to this day when I think about the energy of Rio’s scenes in episode s1e1. He was chaotic and magnetizing, but mostly just…unexpected? The soundtrack in s1 was bomb and Beth’s look was off the charts… prooobably why Blazerville USA in s2 sucked so hard for me. She had this vibe in s1 of revenge and fierce female anger that was perfectly reasonable given the situation and I was here for it. The writers got amnesia over the summer though and that was pretty much all gone from there on out. Also, s1 Beth actually had a personality beyond exhaustion and overconfidence. I think back to Beth telling the whole story about how she went back to Canada and her van was full of paper and Ruby and Annie just 😳😳🤯🤯 until Beth lost it. Why didn’t we get that more? It was endearing and humanizing in a way they forgot to commit to in later seasons leaving Beth unrelatable and dry at times.
Season 4 – Season 4 had some unexpected goodies, but the therapist and dean pretty much ruined most of it for me. Dean had WAY too much screentime with his little buddies and I think everyone here must remember how I feel about Dean. The therapist storyline, was that supposed to develop Annie’s character? Because it didn’t. I’m imaging sending her to jail for a few months “over summer break” doing 100x more than making us sit through 10 episodes of her obsessing and entangling with her therapist before finally presenting him with a dead smashed-up butterfly and checking out. What in the actual fuck was that?  The best part of s4 to me was getting to see parts of Rio that we obviously never got to see before. They still missed the mark completely on developing him as a character and I’m not even going to get into all of that right now, but meeting Rosa and Nick gave Rio a layer that I was deeply missing before. They again missed the mark on developing the brother/cousin thing and I think even one fully Rio-centric episode to show the cause of his family dynamic would have changed everything for me. Why didn’t they fill in any gaps between Nick’s “now we can do anything we want” comment and Beth finding Rio waiting for her in his kitchen? How long was he in FCI Milan? What was that like? How did come up so fast after that? What did Rosa have to say about it all? That’s what I needed to see. His transition and his backstory but in true GG writer fashion, they forgot all about it. 
Season 3 – At least we got the car wash scene and the “show me”. I wasn’t nearly as bothered by Lucy’s death as most people because it just made sense to me. After s2 ended, someone in her circle had to die and we all knew Rio was never going to kill Beth. But I can understand why people hated seeing Lucy die. It needed to be done IMO and she just didn’t add enough value for me to feel the need to keep her around so she was that person. My problem was mostly the hitman storyline and s3 starting with Beth befriending Rhea like that. Whaaaat the fuck. Not only was it weird, it aided in softening her character at a time they should have been trying to build up more momentum since the damage was already done. But back to the hitman storyline…it was just…lazy and all-consuming. Not only that, but it went on and on and nothing even ended up happening?! At a certain point, I almost just wanted him to shoot Rio and get it over with (stick with me here). I love Andrew McCarthy so if the storyline could have been 1-2 episodes before Beth realized she was crazy and that’s not what she ever wanted and she finally took a step back to strategize like the mastermind she was capable of being, I would have liked that.
Anyway, I think I rambled way too long but in all honesty, I’ve barely said anything I wanted to say. Maybe I’ll elaborate more on this later just for my own benefit and then put it out there in case anyone else here might want to read it too. Lol. 
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moondahluna · 4 years
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Beth and Rio up until they get together is just so iconic such a shame the writers didn’t know how to keep a relationship interesting without stupid drama and bad unbelievable decisions
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fairhairedkings · 3 years
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Hi there! How are you feeling about the GG cancellation? Do you still plan to write GG fanfic even after the show is over? :) TBH, I’m bummed, and I’ve been re-reading a bunch (okay, all) of your fic to help me cope. Just wanted to thank you for writing them. ❤️
hi! thank you for sending this ask/asking. :)
i’ll admit that i kind of saw this coming and am not entirely surprised or upset. i’ve mentioned this a couple of times (i think), but i tend to separate the show as a source of inspiration from the show as what it actually is. good girls has always had amazing potential, especially the brio dynamic, and i’ve enjoyed it!
that being said, i don’t think it ever really recovered after the end of season 2. i’ve had...a lot of problems with some stuff that they’ve been doing since then, especially in terms of the ‘comedy’ aspects of the show and their insistence on making dean such a prominent character on his own (why does he get storylines?!?!?) or storylines repeating. it would have been nice for them to know they weren’t coming back so that they could have a clear ending, but we’ll see what the finale’s like! maybe it’ll work just fine. and if not, well, who pays attention to canon anyways?! not me.
as for writing fic once it’s over, yeah probably. i’ve always been writing for me, so i can’t say how long i’ll do that or when/what i’ll be posting. i think i want to go back to s1 and s2 once it’s over and remember what i really liked about the show. the timing of when i watched the show also really influenced the fact that i decided to get involved in fandom/post stuff for the first time ever and life has gotten a bit busier since then (plz send good job hunting vibes 😭), but i still spend a lot of time writing. good girls is a part of that writing, but not all of it, the way that it was when i first started posting. i’m glad that you enjoy my stuff! it always somehow feels like a surprise that someone other than me is reading what i write, even though i’m the one who posts it on the internet to share lol.
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jade-marie · 3 years
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here’s my #1 problem with the show, brio. if the writers never wanted them together cause it’s really fucking obvious now they should’ve a) told christina and manny to dial down the chemistry back in season 1, b) never had anything whatsoever happen in season 2 from the bathroom scene to the bedroom scene to the dubby, and c) show us more of rio’s setup and flesh him out as a money launderer so we can see him more as the “villain” instead of a dude pistol whipped for beth. i think then if they went ahead with the 2x13 shooting there wouldn’t have been so much backlash and then him coming back to life in season 3 would’ve been wayyy more scary. those are just my two cents i’m trying to fit in such a tiny ask box so if things seem discombobulated i apologize from now
Sorry, it's taken me a while to get to this. I understand, and I agree, to an extent.
I feel like the showrunners don't want brio to take over the show, because they don't want the central plot of the show to be a love story, which is fine. That's not what I expected when I started watching anyway. But it's ridiculous to centre so much of the story around Beth and Rio's dynamic, while simultaneously not developing said dynamic. I guess what I'm trying to say is - if you don't want the show to be about the ship, then don't make it about the ship. Make the 3 girls main characters whose decisions carry equal weight. Make Brio a background aspect. Stop baiting fans.
They could've never had them fuck to begin with, they could've killed Rio in 2.13, they could've had Fitz kill him in s3. They could've made it indisputably clear that Beth doesn't have feelings for him and that her having sex with him was purely physical. That way, when he didn't die, people don't expect any sort of reunion. They could've made it clear by now that nothing will happen between them and things will be kept strictly business. But they won't do anything like that because they know what keeps people watching. If Bans and Krebs had any real issue with Brio and Rio being used to market the show in the way they have, it wouldn't have been going on for as long as it did. But again, they know what keeps people tuning in. They both have social media, they see all the DMs from shippers.
Almost every central storyline of the show is based around Brio, it's based around the push and pull power struggle they've had going on. This goes all the way back to s1, but it wasn't as prominent then. Yes, we had Beth asking Rio for more work, which then gave us Eddie, but all 3 girls were then present during the Cloud 9 negotiation. Even though the negotiation was basically brio foreplay, all 3 girls were in on the decision to launder money through stores. Skip forward a few episodes and we begin to see more one on one meetings with brio, with the girls being isolated from that aspect of the story, while these meetings often act as turning points. Whether it's Rio telling Beth they're shut down or her throwing keys in his face and getting them fired - the girls are no longer part of this but it's also the driving force of the plot.
In s2 and 3 this became an even bigger issue because the girls no longer had any real say in what happened, they have next to no communication with Rio and they're in the dark, more often than not. But they also don't have any real storyline. It's like the show gives them random side plots to keep them on screen because they're main characters, but those storylines are pretty inconsequential to the overall arc of the show. This is still happening in s4, possibly worse than ever.
When every aspect of the main plot is focused around brio and the knock-on effects of their power struggle, it doesn't seem fair to then act shocked when people want to know more about Rio and see further progression of his dynamic with Beth. If you imagine Brio as a giant ice cream sundae you're drooling over, you order and the waiter tells you it's out of stock but offers no alternative, you're going to be disappointed. However, if they offer you something equally as delicious, or even more so, you might be kinda bummed about the sundae but it won't last long because you're too busy stuffing your face. And to me, that's the biggest issue. They don't truly follow through on brio but they also don't have anything compelling plot-wise to keep viewers engaged without it.
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riosnecktattoo · 3 years
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What are some of your fav Good Girl music moments?!? For me its the vet smash scene in s2. Dean being upset means everything to me also!!!! Also Rio in this scene ... So chaotic and having the time of his life. love that for him honestly . plus that song is a MF Bop and just matched the scene perfectly.
Oooo amazingggg question!
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree about the 2x04 closing scene! It all just works for the scene. The menacing pulsing beat of Switch Screens playing. The tone. Rio being chaotic. The charge between Beth and Rio. The messy crash-zoom in to Rio smiling and saying now let's go make some money as the crescendo of the song goes apeshit?!?! Fucking iconiccccc and my favourite ending to an episode. It literally makes me want to like jump about it makes me so crazy!
Other stand-outs would be Wild Heart for the S1 Finale. That haunting, almost witchy piano playing as the build to the Rio reveal? UGH! Also it's so fuckin sexy playing over that whole scene. It completely elevates the tone and drama and yes perfection. Every time I listen to it I feel literally possessed.
Then Angel by Massive Attack as a blend with that scene in the 2x01 opener with its pops and clicks and dangerous beat and the beat dropping when Rio shoots Dean as love you love you love you echoes in the lyrics? Yassssss
Other music highlights:
- Danger by Anjulie over the 1x01 montage
- Gravedigger by MXMS over the Eddie scene in 1x04
- I Feel Like I'm Drowning by Two Feet over Rio being slutty in his car/walking to Turner in 1x10 (such a fuckin sexy song)
- Written in the Water by Gin Wigmore over Beth leaving the pearls in 1x03
- Work by Charlotte Day Wilson over Ruby in 2x02
- Shake Baby Shake by Lisa Caruso over I’m gonna teach you scene in 2x02
- Love and War by Fleurie over the 2x13 finale. (I can't really listen to it cause it gives me anxiety lol but it was an amazing choice for Brio)
- All out of Catastrophes by Marissa Nadler in the 2x10 raid
- Daydreaming by Dark Dark Dark. I'm blanking on the episode right now but it's incredible. The refrain of oh if you knew what it meant to me and oh the unspeakable things is just dark and sexy and longing and still soft in a way GG, specifically S1 & 2, did so fuckin well.
- Whole Life by Perfume Genius over 4x06 Brio. I can't even talk about it it kills me so much.
-Floor Seats by A$AP Ferg being played by Rio and over the scene in 4x13. It's just. So Rio. So sexy. I'm insane over it.
Anyway! That was a ramble there are so many more!. I will link my Good Girls Playlist which is just the good songs/bangers aka no filler or score just the songs you would notice and it's flamessss if i do say so myself
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hereliesbb · 3 years
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For the fic meme! 6! 8! 12!
What is your favorite sense to incorporate in your writing and why? 
Touch… I am SO inspired by their physicality. I really believe there is something sweet and special about the way Beth and Rio touch one another in canon. At first we only saw Rio touching Beth, obviously, and it was in a threatening way (sorta..? I mean it was obvious how distracted he became in s1 when he was fingering her necklace with his gun.Yes I said FINGERINGGGGG)!Ahem. anyway. She liked it, he liked it. They’re both sickos. 
Fast forward to the beginning of season two and he’s doing the soft face caresses and little hair lifts and like… one would have to be without an entire soul to not be inspired by that. He’s just coaxing and gentle and like… ok maybe he’s playing her, bringing her deeper… but in the midst of it he’s losing himself a bit, right? Clearly. Because as soon as she gives him permission he goes for it and then we see the thigh grabbing (fuuuck) and the breast squeezing (still so gentle though) and the neck… nosing? What’s he doing in there? Whatever it is is HOT. He gets her. He knows what makes her tick and I LOVE to headcanon that it's beyond them that this is the case. That their souls are aligned serendipitously and he’s just rolling with it because it feels so damn good. We know homeboy thinks he’s in control and it's actually pretty cute… 
And then there’s Beth. 
The way Christina portrays Beth will never cease to amaze me. First of all, her fingers in 2.04 - just light and fluttering along his neck and shoulder it's like GRAB ON, you know? And then in 2.09, those same gentle, tentative hands touching his face and desperately FINGERING (SORRY) his shirt like… 
The ebb and flow with these two… it's like the actors figured out a way to bottle badly veiled denial. It’s so fking GOOD. 
Season three touches were threatening -- I hated when he grabbed her leg at the clinic/ But we are working our way back, right? Prays* 
(edit: we did have that lovely hand-stilling Rio did at the bar whe Beth was about to take the shot of tequila. That wasn’t threatening now was ittttt 🥺🥺🥺 IE there is hope)
And so this is my answer. 
Touch. Because there is just something about Brio amiright? 
If you got a computer virus that deleted all your fics but had time to save one which would it be and why? 
Answered this one here but since I’m EXTRYY I think I’ll say Table it  this time because when I posted this way back when, I got some good feedback on this fic from a few amazing writers in the fandom. (and recently too🥺 i don’t deserve u guys) And of course that is very encouraging!  
What headcanon will you keep implementing in your fics, even if canon ends up contradicting it? 
I answered this one and it’s always going to be that Rio loves Beth. <3 But another one is that Beth 100 % eats in bed after sex ;-) 
thanks Sophie!! ❤️❤️
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mego42 · 4 years
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HEY! you said that s3 brio was better than s2 & s1 brio, and I cannot let that go...bc I kinda agree in a lot of ways. We kinda got the fake dating au, the 3.04 money scene, and the 3.11 scene. I dont think anything can surpass the 2.09 kiss, but I would like to know why you think s3 was superior
Okay look, you make a fair point and I wobble on this stance whenever I look at gifsets BUT s2 brio walked so s3 brio could run (face-first into a wall at high speeds but I love pain which is a key component to understanding my stance here). 
Basically the version of Beth and Rio we saw in season 3 made me feel exponentially more stuff because there was so much depth of feeling to their relationship that hadn’t been there previous seasons mostly because it couldn’t have been, it’s the cumulative build of everything good and bad and it makes me feel I think literally every emotion all at once.
Tbh I drew my conclusion after watching the midnight bar scene in 304 approximately 43 times on a loop and personally feel that’s enough (not even taking 306 into account, or 305 for that matter. honestly the 304-306 brio arc was god tier). THAT SAID in terms of literal examples of content, @foxmagpie​ compiled a handy list in her tags:
you're my girl 
lung spleen shoulder 
what comes next / nothing good 
you couldn't afford it 
money-making erotica 
the picnic bench scene 
beth dressing up for him 
beth making him laugh 
rio calling it a relationship 
 rio inviting her into a hot tub i mean???? god i forgot stuff 
pretending to be a couple 
using their intimacy as a weapon 
rio repeatedly bringing up the shooting 
rio telling her that he's in her life forever
and this list doesn’t even get into the amount of airtime 305 spent presenting the idea that rio loves beth for audience consideration (twice! with a lot of dead space around it to let the point land! that’s a lot in tv land!) (though, due to the amount of time devoted to it, it had to accomplish more than just the one thing and I think the other major point was symbolizing the death of the boland marriage but that’s a whole other post) (plus, obvs, foreshadowing lucy)
I also say all of this with the caveat that if the makeshift finale hadn’t ended like it did (making so much space for such a tonally shifted brio scene) and the show been renewed I probably wouldn’t be saying all of this but as things stand I’m extremely excited for s4 to follow the trajectory and possibly probably actually kill me.
ANYWAY, tl;dr there was a lot of brio content in s3 and while it certainly wasn’t nice, it was all weighted and deliciously angsty and saturated in feelings in a way the other seasons weren’t capable of being and that’s the kind of thing I live for both bc continuity! emotional development! narrative consequences!, but also bc, as established, I love pain. 
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taraknowless · 4 years
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oh geez, i need your thoughts on this episode.
Ask and you shall receive haha
Well, I didn’t hate this episode, but I also didn’t love it. It was aggressively okay. What it made me realise is that we really don’t need these three extra episodes they got this season, because we’re four episodes in and somehow, I feel like we haven’t really moved at all? S1 had really tight storytelling. S2 already got additional episodes and they didn’t use them to their advantage at all. We had a lot of filler episodes regarding the actual plot (between Boomer “dying” and his magical resurrection if you ask me) and then the finale came completely out of the left field. We’ll see where S3 lands, but I don’t really see a clear direction thus far.
Now on to the actual episode. Ruby and Stan remain one of the best and most consistent things about the show and I really liked their arc this episode. That being said, didn’t we already have a similar plot with Sara in S1 or S2?
Also, Annie’s and Ruby’s interactions are absolute comedy gold and I adore it. “Why would I be in physical therapy?” - “Have you seen the way you run?” I LOST IT.
But I guess you’re especially asking about my thoughts on Beth and Rio this episode so strap in haha. I really liked it when Beth made Mick drive her to Rio’s bar (we’ve finally seen it - yay!). It’s kinda like she was on her way to her death sentence and I like that she just full on accepted her fate, because she realised she couldn’t lie about the pregnancy any longer, which makes sense since there is no way she could’ve kept that lie up - although the suggestion of buying a baby was hilariously tempting. Annie saw the problem and thought about solutions - love that! So yes, I like that Beth came clean to Rio (well, almost), but I think the underlying tone of the scene was that Beth knew that Rio knew she was bullshitting him the entire time anyway and they both just kept up the charade like him asking her what she’s doing when she wanted to have a drink. Please don’t argue with me on this, I need this to be the case for my sanity haha. Rio also let the miscarriage comment go way too quickly so I think it works that he knew deep in his heart that it was fake. When she said “I lost it” his entire demenour was like “Huh, is that so? You lost our imaginative baby? Interesting.”
Now about the whole Rio sparing her because of money thing... I’m not a fan, but I’m also throwing my hands up in defeat like hey, at least it’s not a real pregnancy, which is funny, because if the timelines would add up, Beth being pregnant with his baby would actually make more sense. I would hate what it’d mean for the future of the show, but realistically it would make more sense. Anyway, his sole reason for not killing her being money motivated is about what I expected. I don’t absolutely hate it but I’m also not a fan.
First of all, 100k for her life is a ridiculously low amount. Weird comparison, but you’d get more for her organs on the black market. And didn’t he also ask for like 300k to get the body for her in S2?! In a way, this almost makes it seem like he was looking for a reason not to kill her which is ridiculous since he was hellbent on killing her just last episode. I’m not asking for much anymore from this show, but some continuity regarding characters motivations and feelings would be really nice.
Now what I really liked was the little twist that mover guy was washing the cash through Rio’s operation. Considering we’re gonna meet his bosses, it was a nice touch and alluded to Rio’s operation being quite big/ at least all over the city.
Regarding the very last Brio scene.... Phew, that was something. I think tonally, it was completely off. Me during the entire scene, knowing damn well nothing is gonna happen between them in at least the first ten episodes: “Are they...are they gonna do it?!” I don’t know, I have to rewatch it a couple of times, but the music and the way Rio looked at her sometimes made it feel very sensual, but then Beth looked completely terrified at times. It was weird and didn’t work for where they are in their relationship right now. This felt like it belonged in 2.05 in my opinion. It almost had the same atmosphere as Beth’s uhm dream about Rio when she was having some me time.
That being said, I liked how Beth tried to be like “The fake cash? I don’t know her.” in the beginning haha. Now about Rio sparing her because her business can be useful to him. I expected the bombshell to be this underwhelming but I still kinda hope there’s more to the story. As of right now? Sigh. I don’t see why he would actually need Beth’s business that bad? Now before some people come at me for saying that I put Rio on a pedestal and that he couldn’t possibly be needing her help - no, that’s not it. I don’t give a damn about if his business is successful or not. I’m just tired of the constant retconning the show is doing. We’re supposed to believe he always flips his game and he has multiple operations going on, but when he’s out for two months nothing moves anymore?! He wasn’t even doing everything himself, he was always more of a manager. He always had people working for him. I guess I just don’t like how they constantly flip flop certain plot points because they’ve written themselves into a corner. And to be honest, even if he was in dire need of capital, I don’t think this is a good enough reason not to kill her. She shot him three times after all. He is out for blood and always “flips his game” and yet his entire business now depends on her? I don’t know, man. Was this supposed to show us that he doesn’t actually want to kill her (already contradicting episode 3)? Because please don’t get me started on how much I would hate that.
All in all, it’s not the worst thing this show has ever done, but it’s also not really working for me. It felt, once again, very lazy. That being said, I am still quite excited about where this could potentially go! Rio taking over the business, the girls trying to get out of working for him, “I know her entire bag of tricks”, Rio killing somebody in front of them, Rio robbing her house etc. I can’t wait!
That was a lot of text for an episode that I considered okay-ish haha. And yes, I was shortly tempted to just reply with this gif
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I think it was a setup and the practicing and I’m gonna teach you was for this moment, everyone’s freaking out but I’m like bring on S3 lmao
LOL WORD!
Same here, anon.Same here. I’m not worried whatsoever for next season or even Brio.
 I think that since the beginning they were not meant to be a functional, healthy ship. And honestly? I don’t care that they are like that. Sue me. It’s good to have some dark tastes too when it comes to ships.
We learned yesterday that he actually just taught her how to shoot, probably LOL. And I understand Rio bc like I was talking about it with some friends here, the guy recognized parts of himself in Beth. They were so much alike. Rio knew Beth was a smart person, that she had it in her to be a king someday, and I believe that was why even with the “I’m giving u the keys to the king” thing he actually didn’t intend to give her shit.
 Not this kind of power or control. Rio knew Beth had the potential to become a boss bitch. He said it himself. He warned her that if she wanted to be the king she HAD to kill the king. And we saw a few times in season one, that she wanted to be. The show gave us all the hints: from how she organized that “book club” in her house, to how she lied to  Ruby and Annie when she said she went back to Canada and told that guy I forgot the name that Detroit was theirs, in episode 10, I think?
But Beth was still learning, still afraid of this dark side of hers, and fighting against it because she wanted to be a “good person”. But Rio showed her she was not 100% good. And so, I think Rio didn’t want to risk giving Beth any proper training at how to be a successful boss bitch bc one day she could bring him down.
She would be good competition if she embraced that dark side of hers. So he just kept playing the game, not letting her turn into a queen piece or a king, just being the pawn there.
And yeah, I do think, looking back at the season, that he used her to get rid of the FBI. Or at least use her in a way that would take the focus off him and on someone else while he tried to come up with something to be done with Turner and the FBI for good.
We all debated to the point of exhaustion about how Rio could have killed Boomer himself and his guys, right? And some of us believed he didn’t want to get his hands dirty and that the feds would quickly trace the murder back to him, and some said he needed to give Beth a lesson, bc of what he said to his son “clean up ur own mess”. I think both are true. He forced Beth to kill Boomer bc he didn’t want to get his hands dirty and avoid the FBI linking another murder to him and he also liked the idea of making her do it bc maybe in his fucked up head, shooting her hubby wasn’t payment enough for getting him in jail. 
back then I agreed that Beth had to take responsibility for Boomer’s mess and I still stand to it, since what she and the girls did only made it worse, but Rio and his guys knew who Boomer was. The idiot was getting paid to keep his mouth shut.
Another murder in Rio’s account wouldn’t have made his record worse. Also, he is doing this for quite some time now, Sure he didn’t have a way to make it look like it wasn’t him? But ok, maybe it was too risky with the heat he was feeling from the feds.
But here I wanna u to notice something: Rio started to push Beth harder here.
Following her around to the point it got creepy. And I’m guilty here bc Like many others I was all like “lol Rio is so fucked up. this guy is really into this weird game with her right?” but honestly, that was the first sign that Rio was not that stable.
Then, we had the Brio sex in the bathroom after she said she was out, and don’t tell me that for Rio was more bc I think for both it was like an itch they needed to scratch or the tension would be too much. But again, Rio forced his hand in his game when he came back again, this time at Boland Motors, to “propose” a partnership to her. Like she rly had any choice, right? RIO WAS THE ONE WHO CAME BACK. NOT BETH.
and she accepted. Then, came the “stay in ur little lane” comment and we were all like “wow, Rio. ok, we get it, maybe he is trying to protect her bc she can mess things up and they both will pay”.
yeah. This is right, but he was also protecting himself here, bc it was a huge investment he was making. Like Manny Montana said, at the end of the day, it’s all about Money. And she found out he did something behind her back even when he said they were partners and yeah his motives might be good for him but WHAT ABOUT HER? After all, he said they were partners and partners don’t hide things from each other. And like Beth said in the car with the girls, if something wrong happened, she was the one going to jail. HA. isn’t that what almost happened? Can you really say Beth was wrong here?
And Rio did nothing to help her with it. Which, ok, fair, she did it to him first. Like he threw at her face in a not very subtle way with his comment in the car back in episode 12.
But again, that was her checkmate to him when he took her out. So again, more proof of how these two are not that sane with this dangerous power play between them.
Next: the body parts he sent her. I agree with a comment Heather made on TT that this was the first sign that Brio would go downhill. Many of us didn’t even care that much and again, GUILTY UR HONOR. That was fucked up but EVERYONE EXCUSED A GUY SENDING A WOMAN BODY PARTS BC HEY, HE IS A CRIMINAL. But WHAT IS WRONG WITH US HERE, DRAGGING A WOMAN DOWN- NO MATTER IF SHE IS WHITE, LIKE HOLY SHIT THIS IS SOME FUCKED UP THING TO DO, SHUT UP- BECAUSE SHE WAS SALTY TO HIM AFTER GOING BACK AND SAYING THAT YEAH, SHE BLOCKED HIS NUMBER AND WANTED OUT? YEAH, IT WAS KILLING HER BUT HE DIDN’T EVEN GIVE HER A CHOICE AGAIN.
I think that if Rio waited just a bit more, she would go back by herself. She was dying to go back to the crime world. And she would eventually, but probably not with him as a boss, but Rio just liked to have her around so much…She entertained him.
But notice… AGAIN SHE DIDN’T LOOK FOR HIM. HE FORCED HER TO GO BACK USING SOMEONE ELSE’S BODY.
AND FINALLY:
Kidnapping her and trying again to force her to shoot Turner this time, bc yeah, I agree with Rio, I don’t believe Turner would leave Beth be, bc his reputation was ruined. He would lose the case he spent so many years, probably, working on.
now one question: He succeeded in kidnapping Turner and hurt him. Why did take him so long to do this?
Why didn’t he kill Turner sooner?
 Again, I think he was waiting for the best moment to do it. Maybe, just like he didn’t want to get his hands dirty with Boomer, he didn’t wanna the same with Turner. Good thing he had Beth there with him now, in the game.Right?
again, he was RIGHT. The man wouldn’t stop chasing her or him by default.
was this his “grand gesture”? in his fucked up mind I think it was. Manny himself said here that Rio is, and I quote: “ a dude that has a screw loose.”.
but I believe he was reaching his breaking point, acting on survival mode. He took his things out of the loft. He kidnapped Beth when I believe if he just called her, she would meet him there ( writers, EXPLAIN THIS!). 
but ok, it was done. But the way he kept pushing her, started to scream at her to just shoot Turner, calling her bitch, advancing on her? He lost it. And so did she. The pressure was building between them since episode 11, I think, and it finally exploded. 
She did what he wanted her to do in S1 but she wasn’t ready yet and I don’t think she was in 2x13. It was just a thing of the moment, not something she planned. She just acted on instinct, survival instinct, just like Rio did I believe, with his actions. U can see on his face he was surprised.
And then he laughed at Turner when he was laying on the floor, bleeding.
Rio set up the grand finale to his game with Turner, even getting that camera on his place to again mess with Beth and honestly, this was all fucked up since the beginning.
he always bet high on his moves in this thing with Beth. They both don’t know much about the other and people can surprise u in bad and good ways.
 I honestly don’t think Rio will be furious with her, not long.  The woman actually had the balls to shoot him, a crimelord, well know in Detroit streets, and she just got three bullets in his chest.
I think he can kind of respect that. But of course, it will be hell for Beth to pay, bc the king will get his crown back. 
Beth is not ready to rule yet anyway. I think we’ll see that in season 3 but one thing I liked that the show let us know: Beth embraced this other side of her bc yeah, she is gonna be a mom still but she will also try to run her own criminal enterprise. She finally believes she can do this. Rio was a daddy and he could right? And I believe she will start with something small, obviously.
However she will struggle, and I wonder if word won’t get out that a mom, a Stepford wife, shoot the great Rio and almost killed him.
I wonder what she is gonna do when she finds out Turner saved Rio’ life in a way, bc I believe he did call 911.
I don’t trust Turner or his apparent truce with Beth.
I do believe Season 3 has a lot of potential. And I can’t wait to see how Beth and Rio will fight over their territory and how these two alphas will find common ground again. I agree that in season 1 Beth was the one who went to Rio and asked to be part of this world he lives in. 
 And I’m not saying she didn’t like it bc she did. but I think season 2 was her really struggling with what she wanted and how she wanted, and Rio didn’t give her any space to breathe bc he kept pushing her to just decide and get done with it.
Manny said Rio liked the girls and especially Beth around and that they made things more interesting. I think he knows his character enjoyed this cat and mouse game he had going on, but even when Rio felt something for beth money, again, was at the forefront of his mind. And with what Manny said about Rio, trying to find a way to understand this man mind takes way more than we thought. Let’s see where we go down from here.
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pynkhues · 5 years
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Considering last seasons finale cliffhanger was the confrontation between Brio and Dean do you think it ups the chances that the cliffhanger this season isn't Brio related but about one of the others or maybe just Beth?
I’ve actually talked about this a little in comments and over private messages now, haha, but yes. I should probably share the opinion a little wider given how much I get asked about it, and it’s basically a fullblown (probably very wrong) theory now, haha.
I don’t think that the cliffhanger is going to be about Beth x Rio at all, I think it’s going to be about Annie. 
I was thinking about the Season 1 finale the other day, and how Beth and Ruby both had these explosive, tense and emotional final scenes - Beth with the Rio and Dean confrontation, and Ruby with Stan finding out about what she’d done to save Sara. It was gutwrenching! And moving! And scary! Meanwhile, Annie actually had a happy ending - she was successful in the grocery store robbery, realised Sadie was happy at the new school, and reconnected with Greg in a way that got him to drop the custody case. She had a nice episode where her life seemed to be getting back on track - a really, really stark parallel to Beth and Ruby, who’s lives had both just exploded open. 
So yeah, in that sense, I think it makes sense that Annie’s going to have a painful finale. And what do I think that might look like I hear you ask? 
WELL.
We know that the synopses’ for the episodes tend to really focus on the episode set-ups, as opposed to the actual plots. I mean, look at the synopsis for 2.10:
With Beth (Christina Hendricks) determined to lead a new crime-free life, a desperate Ruby (Retta) and Annie (Mae Whitman) go behind her back to strike a new deal with Rio.
Or even 2.09:
Stan (Reno Wilson) faces the consequences for his role in Ruby’s (Retta) criminal dealings. Meanwhile, Dean (Matthew Lillard) gives Beth (Christina Hendricks) an ultimatum, and Greg (guest star Zach Gilford) clashes with Annie’s (Mae Whitman) new boyfriend.
Basically all of those things happened in the first fifteen minutes of each episode, or hell, in 2.09, Dean’s ultimatum was actually given at the end of 2.08 via the note. He just reiterated it early in the episode at the park.
That makes me think that Beth and Turner, and Rio’s grand gesture, are all going to be fairly early in the episode. I’m leaning more and more on Rio’s grand gesture being him having Gretchen bail Beth out, which I think is going to put Turner on the warpath, and I think he’s going to set his sights on Annie. 
Look at it this way - through Noah, Annie has confessed to everything, she’s the only one so far that Turner hasn’t approached, intimidated or harassed, plus she’s got a felony drug charge already from Boomer planting the drugs in her locker in S1. Do I think Turner thinks of Annie as small fish? Absolutely, but that guy has it in for Beth, and I think he knows exactly how much arresting Annie would hurt Beth. As a narrative bait and switch, I think it could really work. 
I also think that it would add an interesting and authentic tension to Beth and Rio’s relationship, because Rio doesn’t have the same investment in Annie as he does in Beth, and if he finds out she’s confessed, I think he’d see her as a rotten egg / snitch too. 
Anyway, I think it’s probably wrong - this show always surprises me, but we’ll see!
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jade-marie · 3 years
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Why do you hate Beth so much?
Wtffff why am I suddenly getting anons? Since when does anyone care what I think?🤣🤣🤣
Anyway
I thoroughly enjoyed her character during S1. I thought she had real potential, I liked that she was a little bit manipulative, little bit morally grey. The chemistry with Rio was amazing as well. I felt like she became really annoying during S2, but a lot of that was offset by the dynamic with Rio. Without the fun Brio moments as a distraction, she was more annoying than ever in S3. I couldn’t stand watching her, she just irritated me so much. My main issues with her character are:
I found that she just became extremely arrogant, pretty much the second she got her hands on the dealership, she just seemed to think she was hot shit - but had nothing to back it up. She just had this attitude where she thought she knew everything best. I love confidence, but I can’t stand when people are unwarrantedly arrogant. 
Then we have the fact that she’s never really been willing to earn anything, she just expects it to be given to her, or she’ll take it.  This has been a pretty common theme with her character, whether it was taking the dealership from Dean, wrangling herself a 50% partnership with Rio and not pulling her weight, stealing the business from Gayle. Although there are lots of times where it feels justified, in the moment, it still plays into her attitude of feeling like she’s owed something.
The way she essentially uses Rio as a surrogate for Dean has always annoyed me, to an extent. It’s like she tries to reclaim every bit of power she feels Dean took from her, by taking from Rio or one upping him in some way. But she never actually stands up to Dean. 
Probably my biggest pet peeve of all is the way that she won’t take accountability for her own actions and expects Rio to handle her mess for her. She walks around like shit just happens to her and she’s a good person, she never really acknowledges how much is her own fault and that pisses me off. 
These aren’t issues that I’ve made up because I’m looking for an excuse to hate her, these are things that have been written into her character and touched on in the show.
“You wanna get down in the dirt, so bad, but you wanna keep your hands clean”
“you asked for it”
“you make a mess, you’ve gotta clean it up”
“your lily ass does two jobs and all of a sudden you think you run the whole game”
The list goes on.
These are deliberate character flaws which make her annoying to watch, unfortunately. I do think that part of her character development will probably be addressing these issues, though. Or rather, I hope it is, because she’s becoming more and more unlikeable
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Hi!! Queen. What would be your season rankings ? (so far) from fav to least these are mine.
fav s1- got teir honestly!! take me back. , the comedy , it was the start of Brio, Beth's energy!!! just everything !!. the writers really did what they had to do. The flip my game scene lives rent free in my head. peak television tbh
s2 - that only includes episode 1 and the brio phone call from the finale. I truly hate everything that's comes after that!!! Will forever have grudge on the writers because watching that live was not a good time. like???? What was the point?? I- just
S3- - actually love a few scenes in this season but as a whole I would never rewatch it . Idk what it was supposed to be giving but whatever it was it just didn't land at all. Imo.
Anyways now we have s4 so far some eps r a hit and miss but i really liked the previous ep!! What are ur thoughts on this szn so far?
Hi!
My favourite to least favourite would be
- S2
has most of my favourite scenes/songs/iconic moments. (tho yes watching the end of 2x13 live was probs the worst tv viewing experience of my life lmao)
- S1
Such a great vibrant fun emotional well-paced watch i could rewatch all the time it makes me really happy but S2 edges it for me 
- S3
Hellscape 😂 no lol I think 3x01 and 3x04 were FAB and there were deffo a bunch of amazing scenes......but i found it messy/very slow/really quite upsetting and disheartening to watch at times.
I'm not gonna rank S4 yet but I'm really loving a LOT of it! 😊
Regardless it’s above S3 already haha
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mego42 · 4 years
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1x10 discussion questions
one season down, two to go!!! this has been so much fun y’all. i've watched s1 all by my onesies a totally normal amount of times but watching with all of you is it’s own kind of delight. your jokes and your takes are a+++. truly enhance the experience. and i know i say it every week but a sincere thank you to @pynkhues​ for organizing and all the work you put into it.
ANYWAY enough of the gross emo stuff.
1. What was your favourite scene of the episode? Tell us why!
this is a question with an objectively correct answer and it’s when dean gets hit by a car. the last scene is p good too i guess.
2. Was there any scene that missed the mark for you? And if so, how?
the line dancing scene chills me to my core but that says more about my feelings about line dancing than the scene itself. it’s not so much that it misses the mark as much as i consider it a personal attack on part with repeatedly saying sauce arms and making me remember the bandaid.
3. Let’s start from the top! That scene with Rio and Turner! This is our first ever Rio POV scene, and a lot of crucial information is delivered in it – from what Rio’s like as a crime boss to the situation with Eddie. What do you make of this scene? And do you think Rio ever saw Turner as a real threat?
rio saw turner as a whole ass snack and he was right
4. It’s Beth and Dean’s twentieth anniversary! Beth warms to him again over the course of this episode before the cancer lie is revealed. What do you think the trajectory of Beth and Dean’s relationship would’ve looked like if the lie hadn’t been revealed?
eventually beth would’ve taken out the trash. i don’t think there’s a version of the two of them that would work long term as long as beth is coming more and more into herself through crime and dean is, you know, dean. would’ve totally derailed the brio pacing though so someone get that doctor a medal.
5. Annnnd on a related note, do you think the cancer lie is lost to us forever, or that the show might still throw it back on the table at some point?
i have deep seated tv-related trust issues so i’ve convinced myself that no we won’t so i can’t be any more disappointed than i already am
6. Ben has his first few days at St. Anne’s, and it goes well, despite Annie’s reservations. Do you think Greg was right to change Ben’s schooling? Do you think Annie was right in having her reservations? Or is it some combination of both?
as a product of a catholic school elementary environment i feel extremely qualified to say that catholic school kids will fuck you up and annie was absolutely justified in her reservations. that said, clearly the public school kids were also fucking ben up so greg was in the right too. the moral of the story is kids are assholes. 
7. What do you think the show might be saying with the fact that Annie’s son finds safety at a school called St. Anne’s?
you know i never connected those dots before. it’s a little on the nose but it makes me go awwwww so i’ll allow it.
8. What do you think of the Fine & Frugal job overall? Do you think it was a good idea to set Rio up in the way that they did? Do you think it was a good way to get the money for Sara’s transplant?
the (second!! second!!!!) fine & frugal job was, to put it mildly, extremely stupid. just the fact that they robbed it for the second time is enough but oh my GOD the rio portion of the plan tips it over the edge. it’s too many levels of stupid i can’t list them all. it’s the girls at their most short sighted and it makes me want to bang my head against the nearest flat surface.
THAT SAID one thing that i’ve always really loved about the show is the girls are like, truly awful at crime in many ways and fairly consistently reap the consequences of that. i love that they’re sort of bumbling their way to success with their individual talents and determination but not being like, smooth criminals or whatever. i’ve watched the version of this show where that happens (*stares in weeds*) and it’s infuriating.
9. What do you think of the scene with Tyler at the end and how he let the girls off the hook in exchange for getting to be the hero? What do you think this tells us about the overall themes of the show?
i love the hell out of tyler that pure hearted himbo. i know there are deeper thoughts here around male entitlement and how it’s seen through characters like boomer and dean and turner and rio but it’s late and my brain is there. i do like how it’s mmmmmm underscored? subverted? by tyler basically asking annie to make it seem like he’s someone to be taken seriously. it reminds me of a little kid asking for help playing dress up or make believe. idk idk idk pretend i said something smart.
10. Mary Pat discovers Boomer’s been spying on her! It leads to one of my favourite fights of the entire series between Mary Pat and Boomer! What do you think that fight told us about Mary Pat and Boomer’s relationship so far, and who each of them are as people?  
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mary-pat was deeply wronged and in a different ‘verse is bffs with the girls. JUSTICE FOR MARY-PAT
11. On a related note, what did you think of Mary Pat going to Beth with the news?
i love it, for as much as mary-pat tries to walk tall and carry a big stick or whatever, as soon as stuff starts falling apart her first instinct is to run to her crime mom for help. THEY SHOULD BE FRIENDS DAMMIT. 
12. Beth throws down a pretty big bluff with Annie and Ruby about going to Canada to take over Rio’s business. Do you think she actually intended to go through with it? Or do you think she was just joking? Or was it something in between?
you know how sometimes people tell jokes that are so funny hahahaha but also omg you guys what if we really did it? it’s one of those. 
13. In 100 words or less, please describe your emotional journey in watching Stan find out what Ruby had done for the money to save Sara.  
N O 
14. Annie and Greg have a pivotal moment together as co-parents at the end of this episode. Do you think this is a satisfying culmination to their arc across this season? And do you see any sort of future for them as a couple overall?
probs not any time soon bc i think zach gilford got another job but i hope so bc i love them lEaVE mE aLoNE
15. That! Final! Scene! Between! Beth! Rio! And! Dean! So much emotion! Give us all your thoughts, comments, feelings! And pretend you were yet to see s2 - what would you predict the outcome would be?
i love literally (like, actually literally) every single thing about this scene. truly god tier and we haven’t even gotten to the dean gets shot/face-touching/E L I Z A B E T H stuff. i’m trying to remember what i thought when i first watched this but honestly i think i was just mashing the next episode button over and over like some kind of psychotic chimpanzee on meth bc netflix wasn’t loading fast enough. 
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