#Ml fanon salt

[miraculousalt]

The way Marinette fans or jus general ml fans really will use feminist movements like #metoo or the uprising of female abuse victims speaking up against misogynistic prejudice they face an suffer under to explain why Marinette has every right to reject Chat Noir the way she does is all really great an progressive unril the very same people will 80% of the time then turn round an honest to God explain or even DEMAND that Marinette doesn NEED to stop hitting Adrien, tying him up or otherwise physically restrain or use him and doesn't NEED to ask for consent in anything including KISSING or other sexual activities (you people aren't even attempting to hold Marinette to somewhat of the same healthy standards you make sure Adrien never EVER gets to break, under no circumstances) - even when they are DEPICTED IN A LOVING Relationship - because "its nothing serious.", "she isn't actually hurting him", "he deserved it he annoyed her!" and "that's slapstick comedy, it's FUNNY" is outright one of the most disgusting double standards this fandom glorifies into all heavens.

The way people will show ZERO self-awareness of what they're doin and excusing here an that this is EXACTLY how our real society treats (domestic) violence against men by women would be almost hilarious hypocrisy to point out if it wasn actually as downright depressing as it truly is.

Don't bring feminist movements into the conversation regarding Chats behavior towards Ladybug when you straight up support the characterisation of Marinette Ladybug bein seemingly incapable of NOT physically violating her boyfriend/husband/partner who has suffered under excessive abuse for all his life the moment she sees him transformed (or evn worse as CIVILIANS). Because therefore his "protective suit" can be used to all max as justification as for why Marinette apparently isn being abusive or treatin him badly, including taking advantage of him and his non existent boundaries thanks to his abusive home and the established Ladynoir dynamic that sometimes hardly let's Chat be more than Ladybugs tool to use so she can look cool and strong.

Don't bring up feminist movements when yall think the appropriate way for Adrien to react when he made Marinette angry is submitting and cowering in fear bc you somehow have convinced yourself that boys and men (even the ones, or ESPECIALLY the ones, you are in a romantic relationship with) getting scared of you when you're in a bad mood is you being EMPOWERED instead of you actively refusing to stop being outright abusive.

Canon Marinette is a flawed person but in the end of the day that still remains in at least some sort of limitations to not cross every line, but FANON Marinette Ladybug? That's so fucking often a glorified domestic abuser yall romanticize in a relationship with an abuse victim. But sure. That's alright for you, cuz yall don't truly believe that women can be abusers of people they love once you LIKE them as "strong, empowered women". And men can't truly be abused by women bc they just "respectfully drink respect women juice" in each an every conflict they have cuz men NOT havin to follow a women's every dominatin lead or dare to even expect of HER to do better and stand accountable for her hurtful behavior n be TRUTHFUL is toxic for you people.

I feel so fucking sorry for every male domestic abuse victim of their female abuser, who had to endure their pain an suffering getting invalidated, spit on and even JUSTIFIED as a womans natural unproblematic right by this fandom bc yall are really out here not thinking twice about the horrible implications of making Marinette Ladybug "lovingly" physically assault Adrien Chat for girlboss points or shits n giggles at every turn. No matter how fucking unnecessarily violently executed or even entirely unwarranted in the first place. You just don't fucking care.

The way this fandom has Marinette physically and emotionally violate Adrien Chat however extreme and even unwarranted as she pleases and then you people have the nerve to romanticize that abusive shit by having Adrien be INTO THAT and LIKE IT in a loving relationship while he never once gets to defend himself - bc now that would glorify domestic abuse right? - is the most backwards and hypocritical "feminist" characterisation teh show has to offer but yall truly make it into glorified abuse bc "woman strooooong and in control, its PROGRESSIVE! 💅🏼He respects and admires her strength an authority, he doesn mind getting put in his place à bit rougher by her bc he supports her as the powerful woman leader she is 😌."

Even the Marinette fans who claim to feel for Adrien in his abuse (or even ADRIEN FANS) turn around and laugh at or completely write it off when Marinette gets characterized in Canon and ESPECIALLY in fanon to basically just violate, assault, humiliate, insult and dehumanizes her male love interest for her "empowerment". Because yall claim to be so feminist and progressive but it's so fucking obvious that you only care about how WOMEN can benefit the best from everything. You want revenge porn that's all.

Adrien, his abuse and male abuse victims of any kind are a mere afterthought for you (sometimes not even that) in the feminism you believe in and s4 made that so fucking clear. 95% of this "progressive" Fandom wouldn't hold a female abuser accountable for her actions, even if it were to save the male victims life, the moment the woman isn't a 1 dimensional, obvious monster. If a woman has ONE sympathetic emotion in her portrayal yall will excuse and justify her getting the male victim served to her obedient an perfect an pretty on a silver plate.

95% of the miraculous Fandom has lost their fucking right to claim they care about abuse victims, because no you fucking don't. Not when it's a man and the scenario is coincidentally layed out perfectly to have the woman benefit on every level from the man getting abused, neglected and taken advantage of to 17 hells. Then youll look for n max out every excuse an justification on every meta level available to belittle the disgusting treatment the men went through.

YOU don't give a FUCK about abuse victims and their life's and pain the moment they are male, and s4 has an still IS now in s5 having you publicly blog that into the open internet because THAT'S how little you truly think of male abuse victims. Miraculous is a girl power show, so you will not think twice about dehumanizing and victim blaming boys for woke and even TOXIC feminist points, cuz the last thing you would ever do is hold women girls to healthy standards too in their dynamics an relationships with men boys under a feminist narrative.

"Feminism" for you is an excuse and Marinette fans in s4 proofed that in every way possible.

#ladynoir critical #Ml salt #Ladynoir salt #Ml season 4 salt #Ml Fandom salt #Ml toxic feminism #Marinette fans couldn't care less about male abuse victims the moment they can benefit from it #Ml child abuse #Yall don't care about because Ladybug needs to be allowed to lovingly hit her future husband #Marinette salt #Just to be sure #Ml fanon salt #Stop romanticizing domestic abuse and violence just because it's a woman doing it #Are you even aware WHAT you are excusing and making into a progressive right for women in relationship?? #Domestic abuse #That's what you are demanding to not be that big of a deal #Marinette fans are starting to turn into legit domestic abuse apologists for female abusers #And make it into progressive feminism #Do you have no shame of the harmful double standards you are supporting?

[jasontoddssuper]

If i'm being completely honest,i'm really sad that i can't enjoy Maribat and Dp x Dc.I was a Miraculous Ladybug kid and a Danny Phantom one too and DC is one of my biggest special interests and i absolutely agree that Marinette deserves a million times better than what she's given in canon,especially because i relate to her so much(like how i'm biracial),and i have a general spinterest in superheroes so i deeply wish i could join in on the fun.I even love a few of the ships,i think Tim and Marinette is a perfect fit!

But even if it didn't frustrate me greatly that these fans don't even read comics,i can't look past how much they normalize racism and harmful relathionships.Marinette and Danny got picked up as Batkids because of having blue eyes to delibaretly erase Duke and Cass,Alya gets bashed all the time and Marinette gets excotified(?)and infantalized,there's shipping adults with minors left and right and ofc even more in///cest between adoptive family members than before.Maribat and Dc x Dp could've been great but as always awful people have to ruin good things

#maribat #dp x dc #dc x dp #marinette dupain-cheng #marinette deserves better #both from canon and fanon #marinette sugar #danny fenton #ml #danny phantom #ml salt #dc #batfam #jazz fenton #bruce wayne #dick grayson #jason todd #tim drake #timari #< for blacklisting #damian wayne #cassandra cain #duke thomas #cass is a batkid #duke is a robin #duke is a batboy #alya cesaire #alya sugar #letters from summer

[i-like-anything-water]

free my girl she's being written against her true canon look at me bbgirl this isn't you

#chloe crack #kinda salt for ml writers idk #fanon chloe tops #on what and whom? ladyb-

[jeankirsteind]

All of Fanon!Chloe suddenly were gathering in the one place until some guys who looks familiar to them come into the place. At first, they didn’t know who he is until one of them are remembered him.

Arctique!Chloe: “So this is the guy who treated us as an irredeemable monster, huh?”

Medusa!Chloe: “Yep, an asshole who giving redemption to the whole grown ass adults who treated and manipulated us.”

Thomas astruc: “Hey guys take it easy, I’m just kidding and didn’t mean to hurt you. Isn’t you love to make Marinette and the others to suffer….”

A punch comes to his nuts who apparently Anatis!Chloe in the Valkyrie form who did that later followed by Chloe who wields Snake Miraculous to pull his beard which makes him kneeling on the ground. Later, three of them are surrounded that man and shows their cynical towards him.

Valkyrie!Chloe: “You can still talk guffaws like that in front of us and accusing us to make your virtual daughter to suffer.”

Medusa!Chloe: “I heard this big mouth labeled us as an anomaly just because we don’t same like his punching bag.”

Arctique!Chloe: “Tsk, let’s give this scumbag what he deserves.”

Thomas astruc: “Guys, please I’m sorry and I…promise…to give my creation the truly redemption in the next story…”

Valkyrie!Chloe: “Nice try, Tommy. Your promise isn’t matter anymore for all of us.”

The attack keeps coming to Thomas even they didn’t give any chance for him to defend himself. Not far from there. Canon!Chloe who’s seen that didn’t expect watching herself from another universe who wields Miraculous giving some justice for everything Thomas gave to her. Even though, she feels this is will not restore what has been passed.

MQ Rewrite!Chloe: “I know this is won’t change anything for you. Hopefully, he won’t hurt you any further after what you've been through lately.”

Canon!Chloe: Am I will become holder like you in the future?

MQ Rewrite!Chloe: “I really hope like that but after what you have been through, it’s better for you to stay away for a while because I’m afraid they’re just using you as the object to preaching you with some nonsense toxic positivity from Ladybug and your sister.”

Note: These chloe are from my favorite fics that I’ve read on AO3. Even though, they aren’t really like that in their fics and I used them as a plot device in this short fic. The last one was from my fic that still on going 😆✌️

#ml au #ml rant #crack fic #chloe bourgeois #thomas astruc #thomas astruc salt #chloe deserve better #just some rant after what that guy made to her as a scapegoat #Fanon!Chloe #Sailor chibi #Arctique #Anatisverse #Valkyrie #nino lahiffe and the road of forgiveness #Medusa

[gameguy20100]

As somebody who's seen lukloe content, your hunch is correct. Most fans (not every one) have an expectation of Luka to be the one who makes Chloe see the wrong of her actions. He's basically a glorified therapist and babysitter for her. Chloe too is not like her canon self. Most of the time she's a good person with a harsh exterior.

But the worse part is when they trash on Marinette and Adrien. Some Lukloe fics have Marinette be a terrible girlfriend to Luka and Chloe acts like a rescuer.

Well, that's just stupid. And slightly racist.

Gotta protect the white boy from the big bad Chinese girl and have him save the white bully with his goodness. Give me a break!

"Good person with a harsh exterior" So fanon Chloe is just a less interesting, white washed Kagami. Wonderful. 🙄

#miraculous ladybug #ml fanon #Chloe salt #lukloe salt #ask and answer #anonymous

[xhanisai]

People should be more like me and pretend that the character(s) they hate or really dislike just doesn’t exist at all. Just scroll past. Just block out the names. And create my content how I like it.

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous ladybug and chat noir #ml fandom salt #you’re more than free to critique characters and whatever as long as it’s correctly tagged #but sheesh some of you lot treat these characters as if they’ve nuked your entire generation and fed their hearts to demons #most people don’t even know that i really dislike Luka and that I’m defo not keen on fanon Chloe #and that’s because I keep my negative opinions contained in places where people who like those characters don’t have to see it #and plus why waste time dwelling in negativity lol #at the end of the day it’s like scrolling past pizza toppings you don’t like it shouldn’t even be this deep #and the less attention you give to salters and shady people in public #the easier everyone else’s life will be

[blueberry-macaron]

Not me checking out the WMG pages of Miraculous to see theories and predictions that are probably more interesting than what actually happened in canon

Oooh the theories and predictions were so much fun back in the days before we slowly had to accept the fact that the show executes every story line it introduced so so badly that almost everyone is unsatisfied😭 especially after I read the show bible and some of the leaked scripts … it‘s baffling how underwhelming it is

One of my fav theory back then was probably how Mayura was the actual evil mastermind behind everything and just generally the lore behind Fu and how the miraculous got lost and all that. Honorable mention to the „Luka is actually evil“ theory, not because I believed it though, I just thought it was funny when people said how they don‘t trust him and how he‘s gotta have ulterior motives. The show is way to obvious to do that😂 and somehow we ended up with Marinette unlocking a new trauma, Adrien not getting to know literally anything and Lila being the ultimate evil with her mom army that‘ll take over the world

#ml #ask #marcellamars #ml salt #this show is truly something else #and not in a good way #guess it‘s up to fanon to do something with those theories #I‘d love to do that #if I had more freetime and talent/writing experience😅

[emsylcatac]

not to be bitter but why does Chloe in fandom have like 10x more analysis that analyze her behaviour and how shes secretly a great person, compared to people trying to understand Marinette's behaviour in s4 (or even in general?) which instead had people giving her way more scrutiny😭😭? i like both characters but maybe I'm just confused on why the protagonist gets less effort in analyzing her and less empathy/sympathy, compared to the girl that acted nice like 4 times.

Don't worry lots of people analyse Marinette's character in S4 and in the show but it's to say that "she was an asshole to chat noir in season 4 😠😠 nd she caused many akumas!! more than chloè 😠😠 and she's a bitch to chloè she didnt give miraculous to her!! grrrr 😠"

Joke aside (that's not a joke actually rip) and I hate that you're right, there are loooots of reasons I'm afraid (none of them are good though). I would go over each one of them but I think we've said it a lot in the past already and I believe that you too anon knows the answer to this 😔😫

(something that I'm wondering though, is why people are waaayyy madder and intense about Chloé not getting the development they think she deserves (because they're impatient and like being mad but shhh), compared to people hoping, say, Nino would get more onscreen development 🫣 like, we still haven't seen his parents while he seemed introduced as one of the main secondary character since S1, even some white blue haired dude took more importance than him as of late, but weeeeirdly enough that doesn't bother people as much as "Chloé loosing the bee miraculous and being done dirty by the writers uwuwuwuwuwu". I really wonder why hmmmmmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤪)

#ask #anon #ml fandom salt #add a bit fanon misconception #pour some self-projection onto the mean bully girl #mix in some main female character hate syndrome #pepper in a bit of (oh no don't say it) r..ra...raci...s..-- #add in-- you get the idea

[iwasbored777]

Oh my God did Marinette ever act like Marinette in fanfics???!!! 😭😭😭😭 I also saw a lot of accounts talking about this and how Marinette is always more mature in fanfiction and doesn't stutter and chase after Adrien. I get it if this version is better for someone but I think we can all collectively agree that fanon Marinette isn't better than canon. I would rather have a protégé of Candace Flynn (who's one of my favs too she's insane and I love that kid ❤️❤️❤️) than this mature Gabriel-forgiving Chat Noir-hating pun-disrespecting baby-disowning. That's not Marinette. None of that is Marinette. Like "we made her better by taking away her core traits and giving her much worse flaws that are so out of character but benefit the story".

#miraculous ladybug #Ml fandom salt #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug #canon vs fanon #Ml ask #ask and answer

[cassarilladraws]

Watched Destruction. Oof. I’m glad my expectations for this show have fallen prior to watching. I’m still a little disappointed. But past me would have seen an episode called “Destruction” and be really hyped about an Adrien and Plagg centric episode. Which it definitely wasn’t. Plagg who? They really could have cut down on the lengthy Marinette and Gabriel scenes to give Adrien some more time. Especially considering what happened. I really wanted an Adrien and Plagg scene after that. (Maybe we’ll get it in a later episode though.) The episode wasn’t horrible, it was just very “meh” for me. It felt like I could have watched the couple of minutes where I was actually invested and skipped the rest. 😅 That’s my mood about the show in general though. I want it to focus on Adrien (and not just his feelings for Marinette/Ladybug) so basically I’m setting myself up for disappointment by watching. I KNOW THIS. Apparently I like to suffer. lol But I’m too invested in him and I’ve been watching this show too long to stop now. I feel like I at least have to see it through to the end of this arc that’s been going for 5 seasons.

#miraculous salt #I guess #ml destruction #miraculous spoilers #ml spoilers #ML season 5 spoilers #I'm being vague but still #tbqh I HAVE seen leaks #but after S4 I was going to come into S5 salty anyway #lol #if it weren't for Adrien I'd drop this show so fast #the fandom has taken this incredible concept and ran with it in a way the show never could #sorry for the negativity but I still want to share? #mayhaps block the miraculous salt tag if you'd like to avoid my silly little opinions #I genuinely hope some people enjoy how the season works out #but my personal hopes are pretty dashed #you have no idea how badly I want the leaks to be wrong #anyway fanon is so much better than canon sometimes and this show is a shining example my dudes

[mariproducer]

ok gloob keeps releasing those damn group chat commercial breaks every day and today’s was love square oriented... and it was phrased as though adrien was asking marinette on a date? I really fuckin hope that’s pre identity reveal and not post identity reveal because it’s gonna look like adrien only likes marinette cause she’s ladybug 💀

#ml spoilers #ml s5 spoilers #i only like the LS in fanon (and by fanon I mean scarlet lady) but the show still has room to add bandages over this mess #not enough to get me to like it in canon but idk have it reduce the chance of one or both charas lookin like absolute tools #i think the LS for me has gone past the point of no return for me to like it but they can still stumble the landing #after all this show loves retconning everything it can pull anything out of its ass #love square salt #technically lol

[flightfoot]

The word "fanon" doesn't mean a lot to me. Fandoms are big and diverse. No one has the full picture.

But YOU are the exception. You seam to know every aspect of the MLB fandom. Or at least most of it.

So when you reblog a post about disliking a fanon Verizon of a character I noticed.

Do you want to elaborate on that?

Honestly I was mostly thinking about Chloe Bourgeois. I was gonna elaborate in the tags, but well... honestly, even in this case, it's not really the fanon version of CHLOE that's the problem. Which is why I didn't elaborate on it at the time, because it didn't totally fit.

Thing is, I do like Chloe, and I especially like versions of Chloe that follow off of the earlier seasons of ML, when it looked like there was going to be more to her, when there are hints of her having these insecurities because of her awful parents and just wanting to be recognized. With her being a mean bully, but beneath all of that being deeply hurt and trying to fill in the holes left behind by her parents' neglect or disdain. With her desperately trying to earn Ladybug's approval, approval that she couldn't get from her own mother. With her not thinking much of most other people, but going far to help the few people she cares about. So stories where she's still recognizably herself and still can function as a classic mean girl bully if the story calls for it, but with more to her, where she's treated as a person beneath it all still.

I'm not so fond of stories just giving her a straight-up personality replacement, where she's Chloe in-name-only, and she turns into a nice person off-screen with little explanation. I don't hate it, but it also doesn't feel like Chloe, and takes away what could be a really interesting character development arc. It's okay, but not my jam.

The stories I hate are the ones that do either of these types of things (especially the second one where she just gets a straight-up personality replacement) and then the other, canonically nicer kids are made worse, with Chloe and Alya basically swapping personalities. Everyone knows how much I hate Alya, Adrien, and the rest of the class being bashed, and Chloe and Alya having swapped roles just showcases the intense double standards of the writer, and is incredibly frustrating for me since it makes me leery of Good!Chloe and makes me want to vent about people making Chloe into a nicer person when that's not actually my central problem with the trope. So I have to try and take great pains to convey that I like Chloe being good, but doing it at other characters' expense, especially with how Alya in particular ends up getting targeted in these cases, is not cool.

I still remember when I briefly filtered out "Chloe Bourgeois Redemption" on AO3 because of a fic that started demonizing Alya out of nowhere by making her be mean to Chloe, and that was the only tag the fic had at the time that was even remotely associated with salt. I took out that filter soon afterwards because I do really like fics that redeem her, but dammit, BECAUSE of how those good and redeemed versions of Chloe are used, I'm often leery when I see her treated too positively and it sucks to have that knee-jerk reaction.

#ask #ml fandom salt #chloe bourgeois

[927roses-and-stuff]

So I stumbled into the pit that is ML salt for the first time in a while and @geekgirles post about Lila's character assassination made me realize something:

Zoé isn't just a character full of Chloe's potentially good traits, she's also who fans wished Lila was all the way back in seasons 1-2 (and maybe still? idk).

Let's take a look at who Zoé is as a character:

New girl from another country with connections who acts differently around other people and exaggerates aspects of her life for attention and friendship. She wants attention and friends because her mom is neglectful (and possibly worse), and isn't around enough to give her the attention she needed and craved growing up. She has a potential to be a Miraculous hero and possibly has romantic tension with Marinette.

...Is that literally not who fanon!Lila was back when Volpina first aired and everyone was talking about her? Like quite literally, the only difference is that Lila hates Ladybug and likes Marinette whereas Zoé has no reason to hate Ladybug. (Also I'm not sure if Lila's mom was ever portrayed to be worse than neglectful).

Yes, now canon and fanon versions of Lila are demons from hell who need to have consequences for lies and wrongdoings but Lila's potential became the basis for Zoé's character, and any character growth and development for Lila went out the window and now she has 3 moms who presumably don't know about this triple life, I guess???

I mean, in the end, they ended up both being bland and I can't even get excited for fics where Lila faces consequences because she's an anonaly who doesn't matter in canon, and Zoé is essentially more of a prop than character. But still, they really took a look at what fans wanted, plucked the ideas with potential and gave them to a new character that didn't need to exist.

#also remember that s1-2 theory of the bee hero not being chloe but her unnamed sister #imagine if that had been true from the start and we just had chloe taking credit for her acts instead of having her be a hero then zoe after #like come on #sorry zoes so bland i genuinely dont care for her outside of this #miraculous ladybug salt #ml salt #lila salt #chloe salt #zoe salt #anyways this gave me fic ideas i have no time for #so if anyone wants a chloe-centric fic idea hit me up lolll

[jeankirsteind]

Anyway, I know either you or your staffs are stealing fan contents both characters’ designs or story (like Chat Blanc) and you’re keep making your virtual daughter with your ex-girlfriend like a saint who always right on everything around her.

Congrats sir for making Chloe irredeemable as possible by using many excuses which comes out of nowhere. And you know what, your characters are sucks man. They’re either just being nice like a saint who got immune from the consequences or make them like a devil incarnation.

I know I’m not a good writer but I hate someone like him making a bad moral through their creation just for sake to fulfill his revenge fantasy and self-insert that he’s better than the others.

For another fan content makers who find this post, just keep going on making a good story from this wasted potential. You’re only one who can fulfill the void that made by him.

#It’s been a long time I didn’t make my own post because I’m too focused with my own story and reading many fan contents #My mood was ruined by many leaks but hey at least I don’t need to feel curious about Chloe in season 5 #fuck that thief #ml salt #ml rant #thomas astruc salt #fanon over canon #chloe deserves better

[starlight-vixen-emiko]

What about ML Characters, are there any that you hate more than Adrien?

Y'know this ask has been sitting in my box forever and I have been thinking of an answer for months. I think I will answer it now but I am not sure how I will tag this.

Short answer: Honestly Adrien isn't my least favorite character in the show believe it or not.

I know that sounds strange...Maybe I have been distancing myself from the fandom for so long and just sticking with my friends and I haven't actively watched any MLB episodes after season 3 and just been sticking with fanfiction.

And I have been so busy writing my own fanfictions that I have my own fanon version of Adrien where he isn't the male power fantasy he is in the show, he is modest, he is a bit socially inept, he's a goofball, he suffers from insecurity...And he is in a loving happy relationship with Kagami, he's best friends with Luka, and he and Marinette are just friends. I mean sometimes I write previous Adrie///nette but just sometimes.

I think it helps that usually in my fanfics Adrien is a secondary character unless I write an Adrigami fanfic where Adrien (or Kagami!) is the main character.

But I cannot act like my fanon version of Adrien is the canon. In canon Adrien is certainly a waste of potential. He's always right even when he is wrong, he doesn't face repercussion for his bad attitude and misguided decisions, everyone is obsessed with him. Not to mention I don't like how they try so hard to make him interesting with his tragic backstory...It's kind of emotionally manipulative.

Ok looking back I have a personal vendetta because Adrien apologists said Marinette is a Mary Sue and Luka is "too perfect" when Astruc said...Quite literally, that Adrien is perfect.

And yet with my fanfics I make Adrien more well rounded...Because perfection is flaw and flaw is perfection.

Besides, I read Z/utara fanfiction when I was younger...The ones where Zuko and Katara cheat on Mai and Aang and the fanfics bash Mai and Aang to death and make them villains who go against Z/utara.

Yeah...When I first started writing Lukanette and Adrigami fanfictions I wasn't interested in them being akin to Z/utara fanfictions...I can make a happy ending for everyone. I mean, I may salt on Adrien and Adrienette a few times but that's to call out his tendency to be irresponsible and I usually write how Adrienette wouldn't realistically work out and they would most likely break up. And how Adrien and Marinette are better with others.

I was going somewhere with this...

Basically at this point I see the missed potential and I did sort of feel bad for him. I think making him a sentimonster was quite frankly very stupid and a very bad call. Especially since it's hard to take his abuse backstory seriously when Adrien didn't want to be a porcelain doll only to make him a porcelain doll...

But honestly at this point I think I hate Gabriel and Jagged more...Gabriel gets off scott free and Luka doesn't get to be pissed at his deadbeat dad.

I will be forever pissed that Gabriel didn't get arrested. The season 5 finale was absolute bullshit. Well...Season 5 was bullshit in general.

Granted regardless even if Gabriel and Jagged are worse I still have my reasons for disliking canon!Adrien.

But I certainly miss Adrien in S1-3. I mean he wasn't perfect there either! He still had the same issues I mentioned but season 4 onward it got turned up to 11 and it sucks. I certainly think Adrien was a much better character with Kagami or Nino...But mostly Kagami. People may think I am crazy but the reason why I am still on team Adrigami after all this time is because Kagami...Before her tragic character assassination was the only character that ever challenged Adrien to be a better person. And I feel like Adrien's one chance of redemption came and went when Adrigami got slandered.

Honestly it sucked to see both Marinette and Adrien's characters get ruined after season 3 tbh. Yes, I am still on my Lukanette and Adrigami would've been better endgames agenda what of it? People say Lukanette and Adrigami should've been platonic from the start but why must Adrienette be endgame and romantic? Why couldn't they just be friends? Why couldn't Adrien and Marinette get over their obsessions and pursue healthier relationships with others? Adrienette just screams "main character rules."

It's similar to Star vs. The Forces of Evil where Star and Marco are good kids but they just have a codependent relationship when they are together and both of them have healthier relationships with others.

Ok I know I went on multiple tangents so let me end this off.

TL;DR I don't hate Adrien with a passion and I can do fanon Adrien fine but I think his character is massively mishandled in the canon...

To the point where I can somewhat understand why people think Felix would be a better protagonist. Eh...I think it would be better if Maribug was the main character and Adrichat was just a secondary character.

Granted I may just be chill now because again...I have been keeping my distance and mostly only spending time with my friends and it helps. I remember being this close to omitting Adrien from my fanfics because he pissed me off but some of my dear friends love Adrien and Adrigami so I chilled out.

Thank you for the ask.

#ml salt #adrien salt #sort of #love square salt #anti love square #anti adrienette #pro adrigami #alright everyone if you don't wanna see this scroll past! #you have been warned #I can't wait for people to make passive aggressive remarks towards my post

[yeet-noir]

I saw a terrible opinion and needed to dump it somewhere to ease my mind (feel free to delete this lmaoo), but someone said that Lukanette and GabeNath were the only good ships in ML while every other canon ship was either underdeveloped or toxic, and I feel bad for whatever weird version of the show they mustve been watching :)

People are entitled to their own opinions even when they are so wrong haha and wow that is just so wrong. I hope that person at least tagged their salt because that is what annoys me when coming across it and they purposely mistag it so more people have to endure it.

At this point if you are watching the show 5 seasons in and think the love square has not developed or is toxic then why are they watching it, that is what like 75% of the show is about? Especially since L/ukanette is definitely not a developed ship in my opinion because nothing came from it other than Marinette realizing how in love with Adrien she is. And it's great people enjoy L/ukanette and love it more power to them! But some people truly rely on the fanon interpretation of the ship and start to believe that is the reality and just trash the love square like it will change anything.

I hope the vent helps anon and try blacklisting ml salt if you haven't hopefully that limits the bad opinions you come across!

#anonymous #answered #ml fandom salt #ml lukanette salt #< tagging that just to be safe but not hate to those who like it just leave out the salty takes of other ships to uplift yours