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lagosbratzdoll · 7 months

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On Daenerys, Colonisation and Race Discourse within the ASOIAF Fandom

This has been on my mind for a good long while and honestly, as much as I would like to leave discourse in the pits, it has been bugging me intermittently over the past few weeks.

Far too many of you get on here and call people who like the fictional dragon-riding family, neo-Nazis and that sentiment is so prevalent, that white people feel comfortable telling me a black woman that I am a neo-Nazi for rooting for Daenerys Targaryen. I am upholding neo-Nazi power fantasies for wanting to see a little girl live at the end of a story. I am a neo-Nazi for wanting to see the rape survivor have the family she aches for and children with the man (or men) she loves.

Then, those same people go on spiels about how the systemic erasure of those who sing the song of the earth and other old races is not colonialism. That their removal from their home is not displacement but an agreement between two equal parties. The fact that the only place where those who sing the song of the earth exist in the present timeline is north of the wall, surrounded by the bones of their dead, is not a travesty. That the expulsion of the old races from their home isn't that bad and should not be condemned.

Instead, people argue, completely seriously, that the harm that the First Men and Andals have caused is centuries in the past, so essentially the slate has been wiped clean. The logical leaps that are required to arrive at such a boneheaded conclusion are truly mind-boggling, and those who make such arguments are not good people.

I am unsure how one could read those books and come away with the impression that the old races do not mourn the loss of their home. I am unsure how one could read The Last of the Giants[1] and Ygritte’s reaction to both the song and Jon’s dismissal of the ethnic cleansing of the giants then believe that the old races and the free folk have moved past their displacement.

In Westeros, from the Wall to the broken arm of Dorne, they all speak one language despite the fact they are all different ethnicities and they all landed on the shores at different times. That is not the case in Essos, we have been introduced to at least six languages and in A Dance with Dragons, Tyrion notes that the Valyrian spoken in the Free Cities has evolved into nine distinct dialects, and they are well on their way to becoming different languages.

How would a continent as large and diverse as Westeros maintain its hegemony over the people if not for forced assimilation, discriminatory practices and violence? The brutal repression required to keep one house in power for thousands of years is nothing to sniff at. The suppression required to keep the vast majority of Westeros worshipping one (or seven) gods. The systems in place ensure that language does not grow or evolve amongst the highborns at least.

Centuries before Aegon's Landing the maesters were the definitive educational authority and even now centuries after, nothing has changed. The grey rats still decide who learns what and when they learn it. There's one in every highborn home, all correspondence passes through them, they are the healers and the councillors.

The circular logic gets even more blockheaded when you factor in the fact that Daenerys is far from the only white character in the books. She is not the only character who wishes for home. She is not the only character who draws strength from her ancestors, her bloodline and her magical creatures.

Cersei draws strength from her family’s iconography, and the Stark children (Jon included) all draw strength from their direwolves, their home and their blood. Sansa, Arya and Bran wish to return home and their home was built on the indiscriminate murder and displacement of the indigenous peoples. Their home is built on centuries of rape, murder, exclusionary practices and sexual slavery.

However, if we give the nonsensical argument that time erases crimes air; the Starks, Lannisters and Tullys are warring to settle personal grievances in the present timeline. As a consequence of that war, thousands (a modest guesstimate) of small folk, minor nobles and even some major ones have been raped, tortured, maimed and killed.

Despite all this, no one writes meta after meta about how Sansa and her siblings must surely die for justice to be had for those who sing the song of the earth, the free folk, the giants and all the old races that fled beyond the wall.

People write meta about Cersei and how she must die, but those are typically more misogynistic nature. They typically argue that she must die not for the “crime” of being Lannister, but for the “crime” of being Cersei and “ruining” Jamie.

I would not mind criticisms of Dany and her peace-focused approach to ending slavery because the approach is naïve and she gives the slavers far too much ground. However, she is learning, growing and self-critiquing. At the end of A Dance with Dragons, she has decided to embrace fire and blood, her knight is breaking the false peace which is a necessary step forward.

What I find offensive is people saying that she should have planned better before she abolished slavery. And that the death, violence, and sickness that arises from her quest to eradicate slavery is somehow worse than the death, violence, and sickness that already existed in Slaver’s Bay.

This argument often downplays the horrific conditions and suffering that exist(ed) under the slave system in Slaver's Bay. Such arguments are often in poor taste and prioritise the lives and comforts of the slavers more than the people they have enslaved.

I would not mind criticisms of Dany if people applied that same critique even-handedly. The same people who believe that Jon and Bran have done much to rectify the evil that their ancestors perpetuated believe that Dany has not done anything to right the wrongs of her ethnic kin. They praise them for the non-existent steps that they have taken, but in the same breath, they condemn Dany for not being able to immediately end the plague that is slavery.

It is perfectly alright to not like fictional characters, no law requires you to like certain fictional characters over others. However, what is not right is making broad accusations about those who do, it is beyond the pale. It is disgusting, and annoying, and trivialises real-world issues to score cheap points against fictional characters.

Equating the survival of a teenage survivor to the restoration of a fascist house or neo-Nazi power fantasy when such designations do not exist in the world of ice and fire is strange behaviour. Saying that the teenage survivor will eventually be manipulated and raped (again) before ending up dead on her manipulator's blade is also strange behaviour.

Dismissing the horrors of colonialism, especially when the text shows you that the involved parties are still affected by it, is not normal and often veers into real-world imperialism apologia. While criticism and analysis of characters and their actions are valid and even encouraged, it is essential that we do not resort to sweeping generalisations about other people and that we keep criticisms of characters grounded in the text.

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Ooooooh, I am the last of the giants, my people are gone from the earth.

The last of the great mountain giants, who ruled all the world at my birth

Oh, the smallfolk have stolen my forests, they’ve stolen my rivers and hills.

And they’ve built a great wall through my valleys, and fished all the fish from my rills

In stone halls they burn their great fires, in stone halls they forge their sharp spears.

Whilst I walk alone in the mountains, with no true companion but tears.

They hunt me with dogs in the daylight, they hunt me with torches by night.

For these men who are small can never stand tall, whilst giants still walk in the light.

Oooooooh, I am the LAST of the giants, so learn well the words of my song.

For when I am gone the singing will fade, and the silence shall last long and long.

#I do not like most of y’all.#Do not call people of colour you do not know neonazis to win points against a fictional character.#It is not my fault that most of your faves are boring and do nothing to drive the plot forward #take it up with george rr martin and stop villifying dany and her (mid) family.#The insistence that we must mind fandom etiqutte is tired as hell too especially because people use it as silencing tools.#“Yes I called you a neonazi but you are the real weirdo for finding my post so really it’s on you that you saw that.”#that’s how y’all sound.#If I see another post that equates enjoying dany to being a neonazi #i will make it everybodys problem.#Took a long break from this fandom because the rancid takes were overshadowing the good takes #and i’ve been back less than a year and the takes are even more rancid than before.#hotd opened an evil door that should’ve remained shut.#Cause why the fuck are there criston cole apologists? Why are there aemond and aegon ii apologists? It is a dark world we live in.#put the last giant at the bottom for my homies who have not read the books which if we're speaking real is more than half of y'all #now that i have gotten this out of my system #it is time to get back to demon slayer #daenerys targaryen #asoiaf #asoiaf thoughts #asoiaf nonsense #if you saw the typos in the first version #no you didn't #edited this to add some thoughts I originally put in the tags because I felt it worked better there.

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geraldmariaivo · 1 year

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This concept hasn’t left me alone since I saw that “Danny is a chemistry wizard who teaches a chem class, but in a very Fenton way” post, and i need to yell it out into the void.

Danny gets adopted by the batfam, but he’s like that with chemistry and mechanics and it gives them all a stroke. Especially Bruce. Doubly so if Danny is his bio kid or clone or something.

Danny has an allowance and he buys the most concentrated shit on the market with it because he got bored and wanted to see if he could re-create the fear toxin antidote he saw in the cave, especially since they seem pretty low on it. Do they have to get it from somewhere else? Danny knows the Waynes are rich, but there has to be a better way to do it than buying it for an arm and a leg. Maybe he’ll mess around and do the one for joker venom later.

Lab safety? Oh, yeah Dick, I’ve got my goggles and gloves and jumpsuit on. Of course I have the hood up. Turn on the vent? What vent? Why would I need a vent? Labels? Dude, look at it, it’s cetrimonium chloride. Oh, yeah, that’s the shampoo i got it from. You’d be surprised how many things you can isolate from household stuff.

Why would I use machines to measure this? Isn’t that for when you’re already busy doing something else? Yeah, like the centrifuge running over there. *gestures vaguely off to the left, to some abomination of mechanics* Whatddya mean that’s a safety hazard? It’ll stay together just fine; I made sure to use a new bike chain.

Where’s the rest of the blueprints? What do you mean “that’s it”? Aren’t there revisions and ideas? Where’s the reminders? Why’s there only one machine???

meanwhile the bats are wondering how the fuck the Fentons get literally anything done with lab safety apparently being a suggestion at best, and their storage system apparently being categorized by nine layers of nonsense and how violent the invention has the potential to be, if Danny’s ramblings are anything to go by. And Bruce “I need plans and contingencies for everything” Wayne is absolutely trying to not have an aneurysm from how much Danny just Does Things with no warning and no way that should feasibly work.

#dp x dc #danny fenton #bruce wayne #dick grayson #i posted this #if you wanna add something please do #like even if you think it’s stupid #put it in the tags or something #even if it’s the most absurd possible addition #or even something as simple as “yes”#it could be a “yes and”#or even a “but what if”#for the love of god I wanna see what thoughts are wiggling around in y’all’s brains

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tariah23 · 14 days

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oooooo white people in my replies really saying ‘I can excuse racism but I draw the line at homophobia’

Not surprised since this is the site that only talks about racism and thinks it’s a big deal when they see it demonstrated in the cartoons and comics they like *coughs* dungeonmeshi *coughs* (for example at least. I haven’t seen THIS many white ppl talk as in depth about racism on here as much as these fandom nerds, man. I stg. Like “Ohhhh, so you all DO acknowledge that racism is real? Just not in real life even if you could feel it slapping you in the face at high speed. Gotcha.” It’s crazy.

Tumblr is like, 90% white and is extremely centered around them. That’s why you barely see stuff that’s important to black and brown people ever trending here or being talked about. It has to be something incredibly huge to the point where even white people can’t ignore it like they usually do, to talk about it here.

They only talked about George Floyd here because the topic of his death became world news. Even people in other countries were talking about it. Before him, it was probably Ferguson and Trayvon Martin… most of them are still trying their best to ignore the genocides because it’s a “touchy subject.” What do you expect from white people who live in their own bubbles of comfort and refuse to pop it with a needle??? They find comfort in their privilege and faux ignorance (they love playing stupid to avoid conversations about important things outside of fandoms like, are these mfs born with half a brain dedicated to fandom or what.) That’s literally all these mfs make a big deal out of, especially on this annoying ass platform. The ao3 mfs will go to war for the site that allows racist ff and cp like it’s no big deal. I wonder how many people here even donated to the site while actively scrolling past dono posts from folks who really do need help. They act like they’re doing a civil service by defending this site that makes over the amount of it’s intended dono goal in minutes.

Then you already know as soon as you even bring up racism in the stuff they like, they start ganging up and harassing black bloggers especially, calling them TERFs and the whole nine. Anything to make that person look bad for being concerned about the racism that they have such an intense aversion to. God, it’s absolutely exhausting knowing that these people would have no problem choosing a cartoon character over your entire existence if they COULD. Isn’t that fucking sad, man?

#:(#it’s like what can you do #as a black person I get why sm black bloggers here have ‘don’t follow me if you’re white’ in their bios #they’ll call it racist or whatever (it’s fucking not you guys just treat black ppl like shit here and most of us feel unsafe to interact #with y’all. you guys always turn on us at the drop of a hat)#i remember commenting on a HS post funny enough years ago #because the punchline of the post was literally the white mfs saying nigga #and I was so annoyed that I told them off and one of my white mutuals unfollowed meanjsjsjsl #like right after that #and another unfollowed me because I talk about racism and the like a lot like this is a really well known artist too so I was like 🧍🏾‍♀️?#because I talk about racism a lot??? it’s weird lol #like they’ll tolerate you for a while then when they feel offended they start to act weird and act like you’re not supposed to talk about #the stuff that effects you #tkf replies #karmelarts #they don’t give a shit about anything if it doesn’t personally Involve them #they act like they can’t relate to anyone or anything it they aren’t marginalized themselves (being gay or trans which they treat as a #personality trait)#notice how you never see movies/ shows about black and brown ppl trending here? it’s always white centered shit no #matter how hot and popular that show might be #you’ll never see something like the wire snowfall or power trending here #all of the black ppl are on twitter anyway so #sm black ppl got ran off of here by annoying white ppl

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wigglebox · 7 months

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Suptober - Day 6 || Full Spread [x]

#suptober23 #destiel #destiel fanart #dean winchester #castiel #supernatural #spnfanart #wiggleart #AHHH MY HAAAANDDD #but mostly I’m just annoyed the universe decided that the day I had the most to color was gonna be the day I had to do #a lot of work … at work lol #I’m like bruh it’s Friday!#anyway I’m really hungry doing this lmao #is this their wedding is this someone else’s wedding is this a party?#y’all decide! lol #gonna go ice my wrist and take a nap now

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slythereen · 6 months

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lestappen playing padel publicly… rbr and christian posting lestappen content… openly supporting their friendship all of a sudden… do you think christian horner sent max on an extraction mission

#christian was like contract offers are not enough we need to lure him with vibes and fun hehes #do you think Christian has max texting Charles shit like tough luck mate 😔 if only you had a team that supported you 😔#you can’t convince me that there isn’t a second (or third???) campaign push to poach Charles going on rn #like if there isn’t one after that race idk what rbr is doing #get him while he’s weak Christian!!!!! send the bestie you’re gift wrapping for him to get the job done!!#rbr charles #the agenda is here it’s present I’m living and dying by it #Ik some of y’all think rbr would be horrible to him but frankly I don’t think they’re that stupid tactically #their pr game is better than most at the very least they wouldn’t want the horrendous optics #and lbr the narrative of stealing Ferraris golden boy and treating him better goes crazy #that’s the sort of ego rush diabolical marketing rbr thrives on #i mean. look at daniel #charles leclerc #f1 #lestappen #red bull racing #*delphi

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wired-heartbeats · 9 months

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I think self shippers are allowed to have complicated-ass relationships with their F/Os, like yeah we love the lovey-dovey sweet flustering stuff, but also some of us go nuts for a good case of

‘we want to and probably have practically strangled each other but also you’re my soulmate and fate has intrinsically tied us together and I would protect you and fight for you in any given universe but also you’re an actual dumbass and I will tell you so and if we ever go down it’s going to be by the others hand’

Or other related variations, I think it’s great to go hogwild and not all F/O relationships stop at Romantic or Platonic or Familial, the dynamics are endless and can be so fun to play with and navigate

#maybe I’m just really obsessed with the yearning/slow burn/self-fulfilling tragedy/mutual bond for better or for worse #but it really boils down to. there is love there. there has always been love here. and we both have to live with this #also the dynamics you can up with are like. playing 52 card pickup with fanfic tags #it’s FUN and works with most genres of ship situations. angst tragedy comedy romcom enemies to lovers lovers to exs to enemies #it’s also fantastic for aus but also tends to happen with fos you’ve had for a while or that are on the edge of definable #ALSO fos that deal with like the multiverse/multiple timelines !!#cats chatterbox #52 tag pickup seems like a fun self ship ask game but I dunno how it’d work but if someone wants to do that go for it! could be fun ehehehe #self ship #self shipping community #self ship community #self ship stuff #is this anything. do y’all hear me

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elliesbelle · 4 months

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a sketch of ellie williams from chapter 13 of my series “nobody compares to you” made by a professional artist (aka my little sister) ♥︎

just a fun little sketch i commissioned from my little sister of modern day ellie playing “i think i love you again” by aaron taylor on the electric guitar!

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likeadevils · 11 months

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#i know it’s one of her most popular songs but y’all don’t love cruel summer like i do

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void-pitcher · 11 months

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i will literally never stop thinking about that one glass onion analysis video that said “i wouldn’t say i’d destroy [the mona lisa] to save a stranger’s life, but honestly? it’s kinda fucked up that i wouldn’t. we should value a person’s life, stranger or not, more than a piece of art.” like that changed something in me. bc our society DOES value art. not new art, not artists, sure, but it values the results. they put the results at a higher value than the artist themself, and if they think the results is worthless? they’ll still value the artist less than the result.

#thinkin abt my one friend who said she’d rather die than not complete her art #and another who said he’d kill himself for talent #and another who said the mona lisa was da vinci’s legacy and if it’s gone he’s gone #like what are y’all on abt? what value must u put on art to value urself as less than? how little do u value urself to put ur art as more?#i want so badly to be able to say i’d burn the mona lisa to save a stranger but idk if i would #and like this guy said: it’s fucked up #what we make doesn’t determine our worth. what we can or can’t do doesn’t determine our worth. how much talent we have doesn’t determine our #worth. and it shouldn’t.#idk. it just feels so twisted. and it’s not even abt what art they can make in the future.#it’s abt how we and the ppl around us are alive and that’s our most valuable gift #not some oil on a canvas #glass onion #glass onion a knives out mystery #art #mona lisa

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literaryspinster · 9 months

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I don’t know who needs to hear this but

Sky dying was Viktor’s fault and him covering it up was bad actually.

#anti viktor arcane #i like him but the way y’all coddle that man is a LOT #arcane #arcane league of legends #sky young #you can tell me something bad that one of my faves did but I already know #it’s HIS fans that seem to think he’s above any criticism #literally no one is #and having to see over and over again how this Brown woman dying horribly wasn’t on him…#it’s white boy stanning at its most insidious #that would be like me saying jayce killing that boy wasn’t his fault and he shouldn’t feel bad when it was and he should #they were clear parallels #even happened in the same episode #come on now #sometimes good people do bad things it doesn’t make them irredeemable #but they do need to be held accountable

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strawberri-draws · 4 months

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Me when assassins r in a classroom (and are all in middle school)

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stealingyourbones · 2 years

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Short DPXDC Prompts #251

As a way to not be reckognized by civillians, Danny’s core masks his true form by appearing to others as the person they have mourned the most. Only differences is white hair, hazmat suit, inhumanly paper white skin tone, and toxic green eyes. The Justice League meets Danny. Who do they see?

#danny phantom #dc comics #dp x dc #dpxdc #dp x dc prompt #writing prompts #I mean like Batman is most likely Jason #for Tim it’d absolutely be Connor #for Wonder Woman it’d be Steve Trevor #for Superman…. maybe his dad? Johnathan Kent?#I’m unsure honestly. I’d love to see what y’all do because this is one hell of an angsty prompt and I know y’all eat that shit for breakfast #bones prompts

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doctorsiren · 3 months

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little PSA:

I have zero obligations to answer any asks sent in. I have zero obligations to draw something for those asks. There are many that I want to draw things for, and there are many that I just might reply to.

I have around 950 asks in my inbox (i had around 850-ish just last week). This is great, this is cool! I love it when people interact and send in asks!

Yet feeling like I need to respond to all of them, or feeling like I need to do art for them is incredibly draining.

This doesn’t mean you shouldn’t send something in. Please do! I love to read it and I do read every single one!

I am a busy person. I have life, uni, and other work I need to do. So I don’t like feeling like I have an obligation to do something that I know, in reality, I don’t have an obligation to do. I’m not mad or anything. I just wanted to give a little heads up, seeing as my inbox is nearing 1000 unanswered asks. (This is, of course, since I made this blog in 2020)

I love you all and I love all the interactions because it does genuinely bring me joy and this blog and the people who interact are a big place of happiness to me through my days. I thank you for your support and interaction. Just know that I am a person with stuff I gotta do. You get it haha

#doctorsiren #not art #siren speaks #phoenix divorce anon (who is no longer an anon to me haha) just know that I will be drawing up your asks someday bc I’ve been meaning to #but seriously y’all I love it when I’m sent the most random stuff #please don’t stop sending things in #I really do thank you #I just get overwhelmed when im made to feel like I have to do something #just be courteous ^^#and I think this should apply to any blogs anyone interacts with #just know that there’s real people running these blogs and that they have lives and stuff to do !

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hestiashand · 1 year

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part two of the naruto character requests :D closeups under the cut!

part one

[ ID: 6 digital bust illustrations in a six fanarts template. top left to bottom right is izuna, karin, suigetsu, the uchiha ninja cats hina and ninneko, nekobaa, and yahiko. END ID. ]

[ ID: six drawings, closeups of the first in the same order. izuna is drawn pale and with his mangekyō sharingan. one of his eyes is bleeding and he looks at the viewer. he wears a dark blue shirt with blood drips on it. the background is a cloudy sky with trees. karin is drawn smiling sheepishly while looking at izuna. she has tan skin, bite scars on her neck and dark red hair. she has an industrial piercing and cherry earrings. she is wearing her canon clothes. suigetsu looks over at karin with a disgusted and judgmental expression. he’s drawn with brown skin, dark purple eyes, smudged eyeliner, and his white hair is dyed blue at the tips. he is holding his water bottle and wearing his canon clothes. the background for him and karin are connected with trees behind them. hina and ninneko are drawn on a wooden floor. hina is a white cat and sits in the back with her eyes closed. ninneko is a light brown cat laying in the foreground with his paws sticking out towards the viewer. they wear their canon clothes. nekobaa is drawn with tan skin and wisdom spots. she is wearing her canon clothes and is looking at the viewer. the background is mostly obscured by her hair. yahiko is drawn blasian with brown skin, lots of freckles and curly dark orange hair. he is looking at the viewer. he wears an akatsuki robe and gold earrings with three raindrops. the background is a rainy sky with some trees. END ID. ]

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