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esomq · 7 months
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From an antinatalist's viewpoint, doing ivf is pretty fucked up: you are unable to have a baby, so you have someone perform a complex procedure in a lab equipped with various devices just to go against nature's boundaries.
The lengths people will go to fulfil their wish of having children is insane, from an antinatalist's point of view.
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boxedforyourdemise · 2 years
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from r/childfree
God that subreddit should just rebrand to r/antinatalismlite or something lmao
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swagging-back-to · 5 months
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literally begging radfems to post body positivity without ANY mention of repdoruction. anytime you make a post talking about how great the human body is and you include any aspect about reproduction or child bearing everything else you say is void to me.
im just triggered and feel disgusting about myself even more.
if making a post about breasts and how "necessary they are" dont talk about how "pendulous breasts are like handles for babies to grab onto" and "they produce milk for our young!"
if youre talking about hips dont talk about how our pelvises are designed with the intention of pushing out a fucking head.
dont talk about our uteruses like theyre incubators.
the vagina like nothing more than a passageway for dicks or for parasites. Even that post that says penises are designed after vaginas is not as comforting as they think. it's still saying the vagina is made for the penis. for reproduction.
cellulite and high body fat like it's there to "protect a growing baby" and not there for. you know. the actual fucking woman.
women are so much more than reproduction. we all hear from every fucking person how women are the sex that has to go through 10 months lof having a parasite flattening their organs and rupturing others.
we dont need you reminding us any more than we already know.
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elhopper1sm · 6 months
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There's two different kinds of 'I think this person deserves to die'.
There's type one: You're a piece of shit and I hate you and you deserve to rot in hell
And then there's type two: You deserve the peace that comes with death because life has just tortured you so much and you don't deserve to live in agony anymore. Death is the most merciful outcome. You're sweet and deserve so so much better than life.
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mushroomkaiyoti · 2 years
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Looks like you’re the only one obsessed holy fuck
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ovaruling · 1 year
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i guess its time for some kind of about me
30, female, multiple cosmetic surgery survivor, vegan, feminist, animal rights activist, animal sanctuary volunteer, TNR rescuer of feral cats.
post detailing my experiences with multiple cosmetic surgeries / that post plus photos from my recovery (TW: blood and pus and gore and such) / some additional posts i’ve written or replied to regarding my experiences
i am particularly interested in medical misogyny, anti-cosmetic surgery (obviously), women's health, antinatalism, antitheism, environmentalism, ecofeminism, climate change, anti-animal agriculture, animal rights, veganism, women’s fitness, and how climate change/animal agriculture disproportionately affects women and girls across the world
all posts to do with veganism/animal rights
my original posts, reblog additions, and writing to do with veganism/animal rights
vegan recipes
if you are here to check on me bc of my cosmetic surgery post—i am at this point very invested in a lifelong fitness journey to build strength after over a decade of that damage. you’ll see i post sometimes about CrossFit and my progress under the tag #fitness updates. i have come pretty far! navigating and making peace with my body’s limitations has been difficult but i am continuing to surprise myself and am reaching new milestones all the time.
thats p much it! hi
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battleangel · 5 months
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Why I am Antinatalist
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TW: mentions & descriptions of r*pe.
Absolutely fucking sickening.
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Dude, its motherfucking December.
Its practically freezing temperatures outside, in the 30s.
So, tell me why the fucking humidity is 80%+?
I am 42 and I have never seen humidity levels this high during winter.
Whats the cause?
Climate change endlessly driven by capitalist excess, human greed, zero sum late stage capitalism, consumerism, overconsumption, materialism, corporatism, lobbying and profiteering.
Basically, humanity.
Humanity caused climate change.
Therefore, end humanity.
Its not complicated.
Neither is antinatalism, which is the belief that is morally unjust to create a life.
Why?
The better question is, why is society so endlessly pronatalist?
Why is pronatalism the default stance?
Why?
Because people cant get over their disgusting self-serving obsessive egotistical need to have little mini-mes running around as extensions of their pathetic self-aggrandizing selves and their disgusting myopic need to continue their respective bloodlines, add to their lineages, create their own family trees and create and propagate endless children, grandchildren, greatgrandchildren and so on because individually if you (universal) have 1 to 2+ kid(s) and those kid(s) go on to have their own kid(s) -- when does it stop?
When does it ever stop?
How many ecocidal, environmentally destroying, climate change causing and contributing, landfill filling, ozone depleting, overconsuming, plastic using, oil guzzling, carbon footprint having, non biodegradable using, GMO consuming, pollutant causing, fast fashion shopping, Amazon Prime Delivery in 1 Day demanding, 1400 pounds of trash a year generating, thousands of gallons of water wasted a year just showering, electricity consuming, excessive indoor temperature control (AC/heat) energy vampire little cunts do you need to personally shit out to feel "complete" and "fulfilled"?
Pronatalism is a motherfucking joke but is the literal default in virtually all human societies.
Humanity is nothing but a self-replicating virus that has caused immeasurable harm to the planet and inexplicably to itself as a species yet still it continues to endlessly self-replicate as mindlessly as the Borg on Star Trek.
Never an independent rational emotionally detached logical reasoned out devoid of societal pressures, rewards and punishments thought, just wombs to be endlessly assimilated by the Pronatalist Borg Masculine Patriarchal Seed Collective.
How many little shits will you generate even from having "just 1 kid" because then how many kid(s) does that "only 1 kid" go on to have?
Just dont have them.
Stop your own personal lineage with yourself.
Stop adding to the human experiment.
It has failed.
Why?
I would think it would be obvious but here we are at this late stage in the game in 2023 with people allowing themselves to become impregnanted and I am endelssly pressured as a woman to immediately say, "Congratulations!"
Congratulations for fucking what?
The human experiment has failed for endless reasons:
Genocides. War crimes. Ethnic cleansings. Chemical warfare. Mass graves. Mass incarceration. Public executions. Lynchings.
Terrorism. Carpet bombings. Civilian slaughter. Bombing schools. Bombing hospitals. Hostage taking. Hostage execution.
Human experimentation. Tuskegee Airmen. Forced sterilizations (Puerto Rican women by the US government).
MK Ultra. Big agriculture. Big pharma. Military industrial complex.
Raytheon, Northrop Grumman & Lockheed Martin company stocks exponentially increasing 300%+ since 20k+ Palestinian civilians have been murdered over the past 2 months.
Endless wars. Endless profiteering. Duopoly. False agendas. Propaganda. Misinformation campaigns.
Burning innocent witches at the stake.
Forced births.
Crack epidemic in the 80s caused by Reagan flooding the Black inner cities with crack cocaine.
Endless exploitation.
Hundreds of millions killed by the death cult known as capitalism via houselessness, poverty, hunger, famine, lack of universal health care and affordable medical insurance, violence stemming from capitalist patriarchal systems held and endlessly reinforced by militarism, police states, toxic masculinity, sexual violence, misogyny, oppression of females and femmes, transphobia and homophobia, policing of women and femmes behavior, dress, mannerisms, sexuality, career choices, life decisions (marriage, motherhood) and personality and a constant demand for women and femmes to be polite, "nice", agreeable, inoffensive, pliant, and especially likeable at all times even and especially when we are being mentally/physically/emotionally/sexually/spiritually/financially abused, manipulated, gaslit, harrassed, assaulted, attacked, controlled, coerced, raped, beaten, isolated, ostracized, humiliated, silenced, repressed, suppressed, oppressed, intimidated, stalked, threatened and even killed.
As a woman and a femme, you are endlessly groomed, societally conditioned, raised, brainwashed and endlessly pressured and rewarded for constantly apologizing, shrinking yourself, making everyone else feel comfortable at the expense of yourself, endlessly justifying yourself, endlessly having to explain yourself and defend yourself, never being confident as it will be misconstrued as cocky, never being assertive because it will be misconstrued as aggressive, never speaking up for yourself because you will wrongly be called a bitch, never taking charge as you will be hated, never being logical by detaching your emotions as you will be accused of being cold and heartless, never deciding your actions and behavior through reasoning and logical deduction as you will be endlessly pilloried for not thinking with your heart instead of your head, endless pressure at all times to perform emotion and to "wear your heart on your sleeve", constant demands at a societal macro level to perform feminity, maternal care and emotional labor at work meetings & functions, holiday parties/dinners/events, performing emotional labor in all situations and environments regardless of personality (having to attend baby showers at work even if you are an antinatalist and/or childfree woman, having to excessively emote if there is a personal tragedy reported at work with no corresponding requirement for male employees -- miscarriage, hospitalization, accident, death, firing, layoff, etc.).
Rapes, sexual trafficking, sexual slavery, slavery, child sex trafficking, child molestation, child abuse, pedophilia, murders, tortures.
Pharmaceutical industrial complex, pathologizing of normal behavior by the psychiatric industrial complex, overmedicalization, misdiagnoses, overprescribing prescription medication, excessive nonsensical harmful medical interventions, extending life beyond all sense and reason to the point where the interventions are needlessly painful, harmful and completely unnecessary versus accepting death as not just a part of life but a beautiful transformation that should be embraced and not feared, contrived forced and constantly pushed and reinforced fear of death, sexual repression.
Women getting a scarlet letter for being a slut, whore, hoe; men getting an "attaboy" for being a player, stud, ladies man for the exact same sexually promiscuous behavior.
Tyranny of motherhood and demands for women to do constant endless unpaid domestic and emotional labor for their children for absolutely zero compensation and very little social reward beyond perfunctory lip service once a year on Mothers Day.
Endless materialism, endless consumption, endless consumerism, capitalist excess, corporatism, lobbying, fake news, us vs them, tribalism, political prisoners.
Child soldiers, child brides.
Famine, poverty, houselessness, lack of clean water, gun crime, gun deaths, drivebys, AK-47s, machine guns, serial killers, serial rapists, Columbines, Sandy Hooks.
False flag events, paid actors, green screens, sound stages, scripted events, rigged elections, Mandela effects, strangers in Moscow.
Gang violence, frat hazings, initiations, kidnappings, abductions.
Religious cults, priests raping altar boys, Eagle Scouts raping Cub Scouts, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas, IDF, US military.
Elementary schools, churches and theaters being shot up.
Police brutality, Ahmed Arbery, George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Say Her Name, Hands Up Dont Shoot, Sandra Bland, Trayvon Martin, Its just a bag of Skittles officer.
13 year old boy shot dead, not by the police, but by a Stand Your Ground civilian.
Dont Tread On Me Zionist Proud Boy.
Islamophobia, racism, white supremacy, racially motivated killings, hate crimes.
Donald J. Trump and Elon Musk.
Jeff Bezos and Tim Cook.
Mark Zuckerberg and Peter Thiel.
Roger Goodell and Vince McMahon.
She was asking for it, what was she wearing, was she drinking, why was she out so late, she went upstairs with him what did she expect.
Theres no such thing as marital rape, feminazis invented that term in the 90s.
I dont care if you have a headache.
I dont care if you dont like anal, flip over and stop complaining.
Its not my fault that youre bleeding.
Then stop tensing up and it wont hurt so much.
I bought you the anal numbing cream and youre still complaining? Its lidocaine. Shut up.
I want anal every week so were having it.
I hit you open handed no bruising. Stop complaining.
I want to cum on your face. Theres nothing wrong with facials. Stop complaining. Leave your glasses on. Now take them off. Open your eyes. Keep them open.
Im into golden showers. Stop complaining.
Im into scat. Stop complaining.
Im into spanking. I didnt hit you that hard. Stop complaining.
Im into choking during sex. Its okay to not be able to breathe. Its only for a few seconds. Stop complaining.
I like biting your nipples. Its supposed to hurt. Stop complaining.
I like slapping your cunt. Stop complaining.
I like spitting in your mouth. Stop complaining.
I like roleplaying. Youre going to be 8 years old. Im going to be your uncle. Yes, during sex. Its just a roleplay. Stop complaining.
When can I put one of our videos on stileproject? You'd be good in porn. Why cant I upload them? Why do you say no to everything?
Okay, put your forearms on the floor and your legs on the coach on either side of my waist. No, were going to have anal this way. Im tired of doggy and Im tired of you riding me and Im tired of missionary. Were going to have anal in different positions. Youre tiny and flexible. Do it. Stop complaining.
Then stop gagging and stop throwing up. Theres no reason why you shouldnt be able to deepthroat me. Then work on your gag reflex. Stop complaining.
Get in the bathroom stall. Now. We'll be done in time for the start of Revenge of the Sith. Face away from me. The wall. Stop complaining. Pull your shorts down. Hurry up. No, in the butt. I dont want to wait to get to my house. Hurry up so you can still get your popcorn shrimp. Stay still. Stop moving so I can get it in. Be quiet. Youre not bleeding that much. Stop complaining.
Take your jeans off now. Do it. Im not in the mood for your little girl shit. Take them off. Stop crying. Both pant legs. Now. Hurry up so I can take you home to your fucking father. Stop crying! Be quiet. Hurry up. Its the least you can do after you danced all night at your cousins party.
Dont lie to me. Youve had sex since the restraining order. Shut up. Dont tell me what to do. Nothing hurts. I dont believe you. Hm. It is tight. Youre not hurt. Shut up. Be quiet, let me do this. Stop moving around and stay on top of me. Stay still. Stop shaking. Youre not bruised and youre not swollen. Stop talking. I still dont believe you havent had sex since we stopped dating. Dont talk to me. Leave me alone.
Dark side of private life.
Abusive spouses, murderous spouses.
Respected couple, matriarch and patriach, pillars of the church and community, married for almost 50 years.
Golden anniversary, golden showers.
Dark secrets, dark pasts, hidden criminal pasts, hidden felonies, hidden convictions, hidden prison sentences, lies to daughters, lies to mothers, lies to wives, repressed background check reports.
Might makes right, force, violence, imposing physical will, domination, vanquishing, crushing, destroying.
Humanity has had hundreds of thousands of years to fix these issues.
But we havent.
Were still -- as a species -- murdering, killing, raping, shooting, stabbing, enslaving, ethnic cleansing, erasing, occupying, colonizing, settling, imprisoning, making thousands of animal species extinct, filling thousands of landfills, destroying thousands of acres of rainforests, destroying ecosystems, overfishing, overextracting earths resources, killing indigenous people for diamonds, emeralds, ore, minerals, etc., pillaging, causing climate change, unsustainably raising the planets temperatures, causing wars and genocides, profiting off of and creating jobs for the manufacture and sale of weapons and bombs used to kill civilians mothers daughters grandmothers babies toddlers children teens students hospital patients fathers sons grandfathers teachers doctors nurses volunteers protestors intellectuals conscientious objectors love warriors revolutionaries prophets, AI cloning metaverse social media messaging apps streaming shows endless scroll always on never off, non stop notifications Slack Teams Google Meet Citrix Trello Asana Outlook Gmail corporate slave golden handcuffs modern day plantation.
The solution to all of the above unimaginable suffering is human extinction.
The solution is stop reproducing.
Stop procreating.
Stop pronatalism.
Stop humanity.
Reject societys non-stop endless brainwashing, programming, conditioning, grooming, messaging, demands, pressures and coercion to be pronatalist and reproduce endless bodies for the capitalist Borg machine.
Stop producing workers for them!
Rockefeller invented modern day public education and school systems because he wanted a "docile and obedient" workforce.
Thats all K-12 is because its all it was designed to be -- a feeder system for corporate, nothing more nothing less.
K-12 -- and college -- works exactly the way its designed to.
It breeds endless acquiescence to authoritatian figures.
Coaches, band leaders, music conductors, dance instructors, choir leaders, school counselors, school nurses, teachers, disciplinarians, principal as God figurehead.
Organized religion is the exact same -- endless acquiescence to authoritarian figures (priests, bishops, nuns, ministers, pastors, imams, Catholic pope as ultimate authority and God figurehead).
Corporate is the exact same (supervisor, +1, VP, Officer, CEO as ultimate authority and God figurehead).
Nuclear patriarchal family is the exact same (older siblings, older cousins, aunts/uncles, grandparents, mother, father as ulimate authority and God figurehead).
Government is the exact same (local representatives, mayor, governor, Congressmen/women, Senator, Speaker of the House, Supreme Court justices, President & Commander In Chief as ultimate authority and God figurehead; provinical representatives, Prime Minister, princes & princesses, dukes & duchesses, King as ultimate authorities and God figureheads; Queen is ultimate maternal archetype - "God save the Queen!").
Law enforcement is the exact same (beat and traffic cops, detectives, officers, seargants, captains, Chief of Police as precincts ultimate authority and God figurehead).
Military is the exact same (foot soldiers cannon fodder sausage for the sausage factory, squad leaders, corporals, seargents, captains, generals (1 through 5 star), Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as ultimate authority and God figurehead).
End the karmic cycle of humanitys universal suffering.
Say no to pronatalism and no to breeding.
Say no to continuing environmental destruction, ecological destruction, ecocide, rainforest destruction, landfills, environmental waste, climate change, ozone depletion, animal species going extinct, wars, genocides, ethnic cleansing, chemical warfare, civilian slaughter, carper bombings, hostage taking, executions, tortures, lynchings, slavery, sexual slavery, sex trafficking, child trafficking, rapes, molestation, abuse, child abuse, domestic violence, murders, shootings, stabbings, drivebys, fatal hazings, kidnappings, abudctions, child soldiers, child brides, political prisoners, civil wars, tribalism, homophobia, transphobia, racism, misogyny, hate crimes, racialized violence, toxic masculinity, military industrial complex, police states, militarism, empire building, war machines, commodification, profiteering, capitalism, excess, materialism, overconsumption, consumerism, lobbying, duopoly, fake news, agendas, misinformation campaigns, forced births, misdiagnoses, overmedicalizations, pathologizing of normal behavior, CTE, concussions, head impacts, permanent brain damage, violence, misogynoir, terorrism, mass shootings, human experimentation, forced sterilizations, mass incarceration, prison industrial complex, military industrial complex, medical industrial complex, corporate plantation, man as machine, dehumanizations, beatings, objectifications, fetishizations, cheapening of human life, commodifications, globalism, slave labor, slave wages, exploitation, endless wars, death squads, rape rooms, comfort women, profiteering, religious cults, forced baptisms, family secrets, abusive family patriachs and matriarchs, capitalist death cult, dictatorships, cults of personality, strongmen, deceivers, manipulators, gaslighters, thieves in the night...
Stop contributing to the endless cycle of human suffering and do something to end it.
Dont reproduce. Dont procreate. Dont have children.
Abstain from sex and be celibate, masturbate, watch porn, read erotica. Or have sex and use birth control, pills, sponges, patches, injections, surgical implants, spermicide, condoms, tubes tied or lasered, withdrawal, Plan B and/or abortion. Or have sex other than vaginal sex (oral, anal, manual, intercrural, etc.).
Just dont add to the already failed and flailing on its ass 7 billion plus strong current human experiment.
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eldistchild · 2 years
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If you have uncontrollable anger issues or if you can’t get out of bed a lot of days or if you continuously have harmful drug problems or if you can’t take care of yourself. DONT HAVE KIDS. Wtf it’s not that hard of a concept, if you’re going to have kids you have to be physically and mentally able to care for them at the most basic level. I’m SO sick of seeing kids get abused every single goddam day because someone who can’t function by themselves thought it would be fuuuunnnnn and cuuuttteee to have a kid like wtf.
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i have to. live up to my name
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itachithedekuscrub · 3 years
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So, question. Are you a "People shouldn't have so many children" anti-natalist or a "We should actively work on depopulating the Earth" anti-natalist? I don't mean this in an aggressive way, just to know whether I should block and move on because the latter one massively triggers my anxiety disorder. Thx and good day. (Yes, this is a weird ask.)
Neither, really. Nobody has a say in whether or not they're born and I think it's cruel to bring children into a world where suffering's almost guaranteed. I suppose if it comes down to it, the "people shouldn't have so many children" would be the best fitting option.
If the topic bothers you even in the slightest, there would be no ill-will between us if you decided to block me. Pregnancy and childbirth are massive PTSD/anxiety triggers for me so I do understand where you are coming from.
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madd-fujoshiteko · 3 years
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I am mad at my parents for not using a condom 20 years ago.
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elhopper1sm · 8 months
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This might be a controversial opinion but I don't know why society thinks its acceptable to force someone to stay alive. Like how the hell is it normalized for police to barge into your house and force you into a psychiatric hospital where you have all your autonomy taken away simply because you wanted to take your own life? Who the hell decided it's the governments job to force you to stay alive? Is that normal? Like if I had cancer and I wanted to refuse chemotherapy as long as I was a fully grown adult the government wouldn't force me to stay alive against my will. Yet if I have depression and decide to take it the government barges into my house and locks my away in a hospital where all my rights are taken away. What the fuck??? I'm not in any way trying to promote taking your own life at all. I'm simply advocating for bodily autonomy. That its not the governments job to take that decision away from me. It's not the governments job to forcibly keep me alive against my will. This all comes from fucking Christian fundamentalist thinking that taking one's own life is a moral failure that should be cured with character correction and hard labor. Like I can perfectly easily see someone rationally decided to take their own life. Forced hospitalization is expensive, traumatizing, and ineffective. Yet ist the standard. I'm not saying people should take their lives I do think people should get help. I'm simply saying the government shouldn't force people against their will to get help and into hospitals especially if they don't want to change. That doesn't help anyone. I would even go as far as to say the right to take your own life is bodily autonomy. And I don't care if someone who attempts isn't in their right mind. I don't think people should be denied bodily autonomy on the basis of being disabled honestly Disabled people have the right to make their own decisions. Mentally ill people have a right to make their own decisions.
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generallyfishy · 4 years
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First off, let me give a huge trigger warning for suicide and justifications for suicide. If that topic causes too much distress or if you are at all at suicidal, please don’t read any further.
This is going to be a little different from my normal posts, but I’ve been looking for good counter arguments for an idea I’ve been toying with.
I’ll start by laying out some premises:
Suffering and joy are fundamentally different categories and cannot ‘cancel eachother out’ or be meaningfully compared. Saying “X amount of suffering is worth Y amount of joy” any more than you can say “X kilograms is worth a Ynm wavelength” because they are measurements of completely different properties.
There are four possible states of suffering or joy: The presence of joy, the presence of suffering, the absence of joy, and the absence of suffering. Here we will use good and bad to refer to how preferable/palatable a state is. The presence of joy is good(preferable and palatable), the presence of suffering is bad (unpalatable), the absence of joy is not good(not preferred) nor is it bad(unpalatable), and the absence of suffering is good(preferable and palatable).
Placing someone in a situation which ensures a consequence on them makes you responsible for that consequence.
It is wrong to unconsentually impose death upon a consciousness
From these premises we can say that it is not only an immoral act, but the MOST immoral act to create a new consciousness. The reasoning is as follows:
Because joy and suffering do not cancel each other out, and the absence of joy is not bad, while the absence of suffering is good, then it is always better for a conscious to never exist in the first place, since existence ensures suffering. Even if joy also occurs, it is still immoral to force suffering on to a being which would otherwise never have suffered.
To illistrate this, I’ll make the case that all parents are murderers in that they are responsible for the deaths of their children. Had they not had children, their children would never have been around to die in the first place. If we can say that unconsentually imposing death on someone is a bad thing, then we can say that it is bad to have children since a non-being/non-consciousness cannot conscent to die which is an inevitability of living. Even before death, all suffering which is experienced by the child is then the fault of the parent for both creating the category of suffering and then ensuring that suffering would be imposed on their child.
Now that we have established that non-being is preferable to being and the act of creating a consciousness is the worst action which one can take, we should extend this question to the currently alive.
If the absence of joy is not bad, but the absence of suffering is good, then it is always in the best interest of a consciousness to cease existence as quickly as possible. This is true even with the presence of joy, as stated before joy and suffering can not balance each other out, and so being in all cases is an unpreferable state.
This is not to condone murder, since unconsentually ending a consciousness is still morally repulsive, but rather to raise the question if it is right for any consciousness to allow themselves to exist, and/or why a consciousness should allow itself to persist.
This is not an argument against Camus’s justification for living in a meaningless world, but rather for living at all, reguardless of whether or not that existence is meaningful.
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ladyvenus95 · 5 years
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God, take me from this unsavory world
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