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thelostgirl21 · 10 months
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A celebration of Joey Batey offering TV show writers a pure masterclass on how to write a queer character with a queer audience in mind.
Can I just say how much respect and appreciation I have for Joey, that he went above and beyond in term of queer representation, by bringing some much needed attention towards people on the aromantic spectrum, and making gender a complete romantic/sexual (and even queerplatonic) non-issue?
I mean, imagine that you are part of a show with a young and powerful canonically bisexual lead, Ciri, who is at an age where people might start exploring their own sexuality, slowly figuring out who and what they like, etc.
And suddenly, you're offered to also be playing another queer lead character, with a male love interest - while knowing it will be the very first time that the audience will be officially introduced to the idea of Jaskier being queer...
And, instead of going with the more familiar, and often expected:
"A man that's always been with women before, now finds himself romantically and sexually attracted to a man, and starts questioning his own sexual identity..." coming out story...
You find yourself with a unique opportunity to go a bit further, to explore more specific and lesser known LGBTQ+ themes, and to delightfully surprise your queer audience!
You can take a full dive into the wonderful world of Queerdom, by exploring a different - yet just as equally important and significant - coming out story!
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"A usually aromantic person, that has always experienced squishes, smushes, and possibly meshes before, finds himself experiencing a (sapio)romantic crush for the very first time, and starts questioning his romantic identity..."
Of course, a lot of people in the audience will probably miss this.
The monosexuals that have been conditioned to believe that gender must always play a role in how one experiences romantic and sexual human attraction - will likely be paying more attention to how Jaskier is showing an interest in a man.
People that are used to equating "falling in love" with "romantic attraction", might miss the significance and importance of Vespula specifically using the word crush to refer to Jaskier's current attraction towards Radovid.
People that typically see non-gender-related orientations as "mere preferences", or have simply never heard of them, might miss how Jaskier goes on and on about how "emotionally intelligent and insightful Radovid is" , with a look of vulnerability and wonder, putting emphasis on how different he feels about him.
People that were taught to see emotional relationships according to the "platonic vs romantic" binary - with a strict idea of what each means and implies - may not be familiar with what queerplatonic relationships are, and will interpret Jaskier saying that he loves Geralt "platonically" as meaning that he's not as deeply and strongly in love with him as one might usually expect a romantic partner to be.
They'll be unaware that there are committed life partners out there - that would go to the end of the world for each other and perhaps even share sexual intimacy together - that don't have any romantic feelings for each other whatsoever.
Romance does not mean "being in love", romance means "being in love in a romantic way".
And it is not the only way.
To aromantics and greyromantics - and even to romantic people that also have the capacity to fall in love in non-romantic ways, such as yours truly - queerplatonic and alterous relationships aren't "lesser than" romantic ones, they are different.
And Radovid... is different.
Radovid is no better, nor worse, than a hammer...
But he's a spoon.
He's a romantic connection that is completely new, exciting and intriguing to explore for Jaskier!
According to Joey Batey, as a sapioromantic panromantic pansexual, Jaskier finds himself developing a strong sapioromantic and sapiosexual connection with Radovid.
Jaskier is representing people that aren't romantically or sexually affected by a partner's gender in the way that they experience sexual atttraction, and people that experience a lot of tertiary attraction when falling in love, while very seldom ever being able to love others in a romantic way (sapioromantics / greyromantics... ).
Jaskier is a queer character that was truly created with a queer audience in mind!
He was created so that all of us that don't see or experience love according to the platonic vs romantic binary.
All of us that are hyperaware of those other forms of attraction (tertiary, aesthetic, sensual, etc.) that one can experience for another human being.
All of us that don't see or experience romance or sexuality as something that ties into their partner's gender.
Could finally see themselves in a character on screen.
Of course, you still need characters that experience their sexuality while feeling like the gender of their romantic and sexual partners matters - including those that love all genders... Desperately so!
First, because all members of the queer community matter and are equally as important and valuable. Rejoicing over Batey diving into lesser known and familiar representation doesn't mean that familiar and better known representation should not be encouraged and celebrated as well!
This is not a "there should be less gay character on TV to make room for more aromantics and asexuals instead" post.
This is a "we need queer identities people are less familiar with in addition to proper gay, lesbian and bisexual representation" post.
And second, because you still need characters that don't stray too much from the platonic v.s. romantic binary, too - and the usual social conventions tied to romance and sexuality - so that non-queer audiences can more easily connect, and empathize with, the queer community.
Because, when the existence of bisexuality already is something that monosexual people often have a hard time understanding, acknowledging, or even believing in...
Well, going:"By the way, I'll have you know that you can totally want to have sex with, live, and raise children with someone you've got platonic feelings for, too!"
You might accidentally lose them.
And if you try to explain that some people are unable to romantically connect with anyone, unless they get specifically attracted to their intellect (often combined with their aesthetic looks)!
That's likely going to be even worse!
And this is where Batey's pure genius comes to light.
Because he's just shown that you can find a beautiful and organic way to explore queerness more in depth - totally stepping away from the usual relationship conventions and specifically addressing your queer audience - simply by using a vocabulary that said queer audience will understand and connect with.
You can make it clear that the character is on the greyromantic spectrum, by having Vespula state that she's never ever seen him with a crush before!
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You can put the emphasis on him being more specifically sapioromantic, by having him dreamily go on about how Jaskier perceives Radovid's intellect.
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And, if Batey is to be believed - and he's been exploring the idea of Jaskier being queer since the very beginning of the show (without any clear response from the writers or producers regarding Jaskier's sexuality) - then, by making it clear that he loves Geralt platonically in Season 3, he's also allowing us to revisit all the scenes between Jaskier and Geralt from Season 1, while enjoying them through an aromantic lense.
Someone on the aromantic spectrum watching that scene might thus find themselves deeply connecting with the strong platonic squish (although it could also be a mesh) that Jaskier immediately experienced the very first time he saw Geralt...
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You can see Jaskier as specifically believing himself to be Geralt's best friend in the whole wide world, and instinctively reading into Geralt allowing him to physically/sensually touch him (rubbing chamomile onto his lovely bottom) as him possibly desiring a queerplatonic connection with him also.
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And, the scene where he's suggesting to Geralt that they could get away for a while, head to the coast together...
Where he mentions that life is too short not to do what pleases you, and admits that he's trying to work on what pleases him...
Look, the fact is that there's always been aromantic and greyromantic people experiencing tertiary forms of love and attractions for other people long before we had any words to put on those emotions, desires and needs.
So, it's rather easy to see Jaskier as someone that is experiencing a powerful alterous attraction for his best friend, and realizing that what pleases him the most, is the idea of them sharing a queerplatonic or alterous relationship together...
It makes sense to interpret what Jaskier is saying as him trying to express and articulate the love he feels for Geralt the best he can - implying that Geralt is what pleases him - while trying to ask Geralt if he also feels the same way...
Sadly, Geralt doesn't quite get it; likely because he's also romantically and sexually attracted to Yennefer and, when he loses her, instinctively throws all his own hurt and heartbreak at Jaskier - blaming him for everything that (he believes) lead to that loss!
And just because the break up Jaskier experienced wasn't a romantic one doesn't make it any less devastating.
Poor loving bard was making plans for them to continue to travel and enjoy their time together as the platonic boyfriends he believed them to be, and Geralt told him that all Jaskier had to offer him was a giant pile of shit that he kept shoveling his way!
There's been a lot of alterous and/or queeplatonic subtext since Season 1 (that could also read as romantic, but should never be used as evidence or proof of romance if we were talking about a real life partnership).
And, while I do acknowledge that queerbaiting has been messing with our ability to perceive and appreciate those relationships as such, I do think that, canonically establishing Jaskier as a sapioromantic, at the very least, clearly addresses the reasons why Jaskier was behaving in such an amorous way with Geralt without being romantically in love with him.
For once, instead of mocking the queer audience for "having mistakenly read two same-gender close friends as being romantically attracted to each other" (while doing as much as they can to suggest romance to keep them hooked!), they are canonically establishing Jaskier as a sapioromantic, with him experiencing his first romantic crush with Radovid.
The show's dialogue is telling people on the aromantic spectrum that "Yes, Jaskier is one of you. He gets squishes, meshes, lushes, and can desire a queerplatonic relationship with a best friend he's got strong platonic feelings for also."
You can speak to your queer audience, without fully risking alienating your non-queer audience, by simply using clues, and a language that your queer audience understands.
And I will forever be grateful to Joey Batey for having understood it, and having so skillfully managed it.
As someone who is ambiamorous, panalterous, panromantic, demisexual, and pansexual, all the nuances and details he brought to Jaskier's queerness was a pure delight, and spoke to me in a way that no TV show character has ever spoken to me before (except, perhaps, in "Sense8", but the whole show itself was about what it meant to love and be human, with main characters sharing a supernatural psychic bond making them more likely to open themselves to all the queer forms of love... whereas shows like "The Witcher" is of a more mainstream fantasy show).
I wish I had a way to contact him to tell him thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for breaking gender boundaries, and "platonic vs romantic" boundaries with Jaskier, and offering us a character that is one of the purest, most beautiful, and most perfectly balanced love song to queerness that one could have written and sung about!
Jaskier is a queer representation groundbreaking masterpiece on a show such as this.
That representation is as intelligent, insightful, and sharp as Prince Radovid himself.
And Extraordinarily Things said more about Jaskier's feelings, issues, and vulnerabilities than any piece of dialogue ever could have, and had me weeping my eyes out by the time Jaskier sang about how he finally felt like he was enough...
Well done Joey, you absolutely brilliant and deeply empathetic real-life bard and poet, well done...
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astrobydalia · 2 years
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Relationship observations pt. III
I actually meant to post this on Valentines Day but overthinking and procrastination took over as usual ☺️✨
Relationship observations: pt. I and pt. II
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Juno in Aries people either get married quite young or they get married to someone younger or both things might occur
Juno in 1st house tho IS a big indicative of marring very young after having a love at first sight situation with the person
Also, Juno in Aries/1st house people will marry someone that is just like them in some way
Similar thing can happen if you have Juno in Leo/5th house, you guys just have very similar personalities and get along like buddies. You’ll definitely marry someone you’ll have lots of fun and laughs with
Venus-Chiron aspects indicates attracting third-party situations in relationships. It's not necessarily cheating (could be) but things along the lines of your partner being in a relationship when you meet them, falling for two people, etc.
I swear I’ve never seen Cancer and Taurus placements NOT ending up together
Mars in the 1st house synastry: honestly I really dislike this overlay. Yeah it creates great attraction blah blah but it’s honestly the most superficial overlay in my opinion cause it’ll only make you interested on how the other person presents themselves not wanting to look into deeper levels of their personality, which turns to be incredibly irritating in the long run. Not a good indicator for longevity in any connection.
Capricorn moon in the Juno persona chart indicates the marriage can feel a bit "serious" and maybe even traditional, could indicate unhappy marriage or a partner that is not emotionally expressive. This also indicates a marriage that is hard to break, I've seen this in people who felt the "obligation" to maintain the marriage for some reason
Eros is often interpreted as just a sexual asteroid but I've very much often observed that people end up committing to those who embody typical traits of their Eros sign which goes to show that Eros is also related to romantic/platonic attraction (just like in mythology) and not just sexual attraction
I've observed so so so many times Fire moons pairing up with Earth moons and these couples work surprisingly well together. Basically the earth moon calms down and grounds the fire moon and the fire moon person energizes and amuses the earth moon person. It's pretty cute.
I don’t know why people don’t talk about 2nd house synastry/heavy 2nd house in composite more often. 2nd house is significantly more common than 7th house in many long-term/married couples. This house literally represents stability and our sense of value, things we feel like are worth maintaining because of the value we give to them. Therefore 2nd house synastry or activated 2nd house in composite indicates you see potential of long-term stability in that relationship and you also value your connection together.
I don't think people talk about how commitment-phobic Scorpio/8th house Venus people can be a lot of times. They can be exactly what people think Aquarius Venus is. I’ve seen SOOOO many Scorpio/8th house venus people being super indulgent in their relationships like wanting an open relationship, avoiding labels, getting in on-and-off situatioships and even cheating sometimes. They are deep down very hedonistic and want to explore their sexuality. If they find someone they genuinely wanna settle with they'll be fiercely loyal, but they're not necessarily looking to get attached like that right off the bat cause they see love as giving someone the power to hurt you so a lot of times they just get into relationships to test the waters and if they find the love of their life great but if they don’t then they’re okay with just having a good time *wink wink*
People with moon in the 7th house are the type to dye their hair blond bc their crush likes blonde girls or stuff like that
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Libra, Pisces, Cancer and Virgo placements are literally the ones who invented the "don't leave, we can try again and make it work" concept
Gemini risings will attract wealthy partners!!! Nobody talks about this enough but I swear I haven’t seen a single Gemini rising who didn’t have a wealthy partner/spouse. Their 7th house is ruled by Jupiter after all.
All Cardinal Venus people loooove the chase and those first stages in a relationship
Gemini Venus naives either date literal clones of the same type of person over and over again or they date people that are completely different from each other. No in-between
Libra Venus people think they have a type but deep down they don’t know what they want. One day you’ll see them date someone that is the exact opposite of what they previously described as their “perfect partner”
People with 8th house Venus/Mars are the type to make out with random people in clubs and parties just for the sake of it lol
Venus/Mars in Aquarius or aspecting Uranus will at least once in their life date someone who their family doesn't approve of
Aries moons engage in toxic and co-depandant relationships more than scorpio placements
I’ve noticed people with Venus in the 4th house end up with partners who have a very childish/immature energy either physically or mentally
It’s well-known that Juno persona chart talks about spouse but I’ve noticed it also represents how the marriage is from your pov
Everyone talks about Pluto but honestly natives with Moon-Saturn or Venus-Saturn or Saturn in the 7th house are the ones who will REALLY get themselves in very toxic, possessive and controlling relationships. (Saturn = authority, restrictions)
I’ve noticed Capricorn placements always end up falling for Virgos particularly
Something I’ve noticed about 8th house synastry that nobody talks about is that this overlay a lot of times comes with a whole deal of admiration. The planet person specially is able to easily see everything the house person is capable of (since this is the house of our inner power) and this can either be intimidating or threatening for the planet person or on the contrary it can cause literal fascination and admiration for the house person (this is where the infamous obsession comes from). When healthy, the planet person could really desire to lift up and empower the house person or the planet person feels more empowered around the house person or vice versa. When developed this overlay causes genuine devotion and loyalty in the couple
I personally believe natives with Moon-Pluto aspects belong with people who also have Moon-Pluto aspects in their own natal chart (romantically), otherwise they will feel very misunderstood and alone in their own intensity. Although this can be a double-edged sword too
Natives with Chiron in Libra/7th house are serial daters. The type to jump from one relationships to another in a matter of months. They’re usually loyal tho
Pay attention to PoF in the Juno persona chart, I’ve observed this sign/energy is bound to be significant in the chart of your fs
Capricorn Venus have this tendency to be condescending or patronizing with their loved ones, because in their mind they're just taking care of you
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WELCOME TO THE EARTHLING-ALIEN DUO SHOWDOWN!
Lilo and Stitch. Kirk and Spock. Batman and Superman. Over and over, our stories LOVE to make earthlings and aliens besties. And why shouldn't they?? Aliens are great! But what is the BEST earthling-alien duo? That is what we are here to decide! Submit YOUR duos, and watch them duke it out in a battle of propaganda and unfettered favoritism!
Rules:
No real people. MCYT roleplay (and other forms of roleplay, if it is indeed clear that it is roleplay) IS ALLOWED, though, as long as being an alien is canonical to the character and not a fanon interpretation.
"Besties" is a catchall for any type of relationship, be it romantic or platonic or a secret third thing, so feel free to submit any relationship type!
Submit as many duos as you like, but only submit each duo ONCE. Don't spam, it's rude and risks eliminating that duo entirely.
I will only allow TWO duos per fandom into the bracket. This is to keep fandoms that are earthling-alien duo heavy (cough Homestuck Doctor Who Star Trek ETC. cough) from overtaking the bracket. This DOES NOT mean you can't submit as many duos from a fandom as you like, but do take this into consideration when submitting and asking your friends to submit.
I use some examples of earthling-alien duos here as well as in my clarification post, but I DON'T have any default duos lined up. Submit your guys if you want to be Sure that they'll be up for consideration!
Not sure if your duo qualifies as an earthling-alien due to technicalities? Here is some clarification as to what I mean!
With all that in mind,
SUBMIT YOUR CONTENDERS HERE!
(This bracket was inspired by the likes of @mad-scientist-showdown, @purplegreenbracket, @anti-canon-trans-showdown, @blueandorangebracket, and many others!)
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honestly I don't expect sylki to happen at all at this point. the most I expect is some kind of platonic unity, like them standing with a shared smile a united force, maybe holding hands. unless they go with making them kiss before parting ways or something, a gratitude of what they've given each other. But if the show simply...continues the path it's setting itself on, sylvie will get to be free at the end, live and create her own life, have her own connections, her own friends, like we saw her so settled and at peace in. that would be best for her arc, best as the prize of them winning. unless they make it that she has to choose to sacrifice herself in order to save other people, for some sort of "growth" reasons. (but, that's still just unnecessarily killing her; not sylki.) they've fought, they've both helped each other, and now they grow beyond each other.
as for lokius...idk just being a realist? or pessimist? (optimist?? lmao) I don't expect, also, anything more than showing them as a ""platonic"" (heavily up for interpretation) united front. they'll succeed. they'll win each other at the end. they'll reside over the tva, with beautiful smiles for each other. because loki has no want expressed for a timeline life. his want, over and over, his need, is just to have mobius with him always (for all time). not just his desire for this friendship but the full, complete friendship he's already achieved, through growth, and grown from. he's changed (and he's in love), and he gets to keep it. we've seen him lose it again and again -- it will end with it remaining.
I honestly can't believe, just, the constant care, and softness, the gentle hands and voices he has for mobius. the way mobius's name is always the main one on his lips he's defending, arguing for, fighting for his rights and his happiness, always his advocate, fighting to keep with him as his literal main motivation, tears in eyes and on cheeks. "the man I know...you saved my life when I first arrived. you saw something in me that I hadn't seen in myself." the confession of it all. the high romance. the longing, the comfort.
I expect an ending where you can 1000% interpret them as being in love (because they are). (though with just enough openness that general audience can claim "friendship" if they so desperately need to.) but...any other network, like...the consummation of their romance is the endgame, the pinnacle of them both expressing and feeling what they mean to each other through a high-emotion kiss. because there's such emotional, textual, core-to-the-story setup for it.
either way, I expect loki to keep all his friends (unless ones like casey and B-15 would prefer their timelines), to keep the extra-special connection with mobius, crucially, and, honestly...for sylki not to be a thing or kiss at all, but just be on perfectly good terms with each other now. and if they do make them kiss, it can't break me, because I can read that as platonic, and everything he's felt for mobius as something more. the whole dynamics of their relationships was contained beautifully and perfectly in that bar scene. that's the crux of all of them. I loved it.
I mean I wouldn’t be surprised if marvel still made sylki endgame in the end (look at the steve and peggy case in endgame), but I do agree with you and I hope you’re right here. aside from the whole ship war thing, the bar scene between loki and sylvie feels to me like a breakup scene where both parties are on good terms and are still good friends, and that’s the vibes I genuinely get from loki and sylvie this season.
I’m genuinely happy for her that she finally got a place where she could call home and the people whom she could consider friends and family (not loki or mobius but the people she met in her new life).
making her and loki get back together romantically wouldn’t make any sense at this point. but again, knowing that this is marvel and disney, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they pulled the sylki endgame in the season finale next week.
(there’s also rumor from people who claimed to have seen the entire season that loki and sylvie did end up together in the finale, and while I know there’s no way to confirm this until we all find out next week, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s true.)
also I agree with you about lokius. they wouldn’t make it “too explicit” but yeah, like you said, if they were to make lokius “canon”, the most they’d give the audience would be some hint that they could be more than best friends. but I wouldn’t expect an outright love confession or a kiss. would love to be wrong about this, but it’s too good to be true and I’d rather expect nothing than to have my hopes up too high and get disappointed lol
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Sotam headcanons please? Platonic or romantic whichever you prefer atm. I just love them haha
I love them too! Their dynamic is among my favorites of the series. I tend to be more canon adherent, but I can certainly try my hand at headcanons!
They've talked via shadowwhispering and telepathy so much that at this point they can near seamlessly read each other's faces
Entire conversations via facial expression without a word passing between them. It drives Keefe mad
Their height difference is perfect for Tam to rest his arm on her shoulder, or his chin on her head. Sophie's indignant about it at first, but has softened with time
What hasn't softened is their humor. It only gets more sarcastic and teasing with time. Everyone else they know always tells them off for their brand of dark humor, so they fully indulge each other
This is sometimes done via facial expression
They frequently do homework together, partially because Tam despises it and Sophie is trying to be a good role model so he has a good reputation with his teachers and the grades they give will be in his favor. Homework's worth is an ongoing debate between them, Sophie's argument being that the fact he's at Foxfire at all after everything is incredible, so he shouldn't waste it
Tam's argument is that homework sucks
He's winning the debate, Sophie just refuses to admit she's wrong
They're the first person the other hails in the middle of the night when they can't sleep. They're more likely than anyone else to still be awake, and they long ago stopped feeling bad that they might wake the other
Those late night hails are something between just the two of them. They can talk about anything and everything, no judgement, no expectations, no regrets
Sometimes those hails end in late night visits, going to one house or the other to sit in quiet comfort, or to continue their conversation face to face
Maybe instead of a house, they'll end up somewhere outside. A beach, a mountainside, a forest, a meadow, anywhere in the world where they can be alone and forget about their troubles
It always a little easier to sleep after they've talked, or visited. Though it can be confusing to their parents when they wake and find an extra kid in the house, but they never have the heart to mind
I'll stop there, but these can be interpreted as any kind of relationship. They're have other people and supports in their life, but they occupy a certain kind of dark, secret content space. They rely on each other, support each other, make each other worse (in a good way). They're so so special to me <3
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reachexceedinggrasp · 28 days
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That post about how "Clara and Twelve could kiss and still people will argue that it was platonic", reminded me of a delusional discourse,(which perhaps you too have read)in the DB fandom according to which Bulma and Vegeta "don't really love each other/have children in a platonic way/have a platonico marriage" despise…everything in canon screams that they DO love each other. Seriously, why do you think people are so adamant about creating headcanons/interpretations that go against canon especially when it comes to romantic relationships?
I saw that discourse!! Honestly, it may very well be the absolute hottest take I've ever come across in any fandom. That more than one person would sincerely suggest that it makes sense to suppose they're platonically married and platonically have two children together was just... next level. Dizzying heights. Imagine looking at two of the hottest-blooded, most impetuous characters in pop culture history and being like 'clearly their torrid affair and subsequent violently dramatic devotion to each other is some kind of friendly business arrangement'.
I guess some people are so pathologically unable to acknowledge that canon doesn't back up their esoteric projections onto the characters that they're willing to do these kind of mental gymnastics no matter how ridiculous they sound. Some of it seems to come with over-identifying with one or more characters and/or using a character as some kind of source of validation which requires them and their relationships to fit into a self-shaped box. And there's always the contingent that's desperately afraid of cooties in any form to the point they'll resort to this kind of wilful blindness in order to avoid knowing there's an icky romance in their Pure fighting/sci-fi/whatever show.
Then there's antis. And as silly as antis look trying to dismiss obvious, unambiguously romantic canon pairings with goofy nonsense conspiracy theories, I guess it's less painful for them than just admitting they were wrong or that the canon isn't a 1-to-1 exact perfect representation of whatever moral landscape free of ¬problematic¬ ships they've decided it needs to be in order to be acceptable.
I have canon pairings I've found unconvincing or that I've hated, but I'm not going to pretend they're not textually intended to be romantic or to have romantic tension when that's clearly the case. I'm probably going to ignore them, at worst I'll complain about the writing, I'm not going to try to convince anyone else that a ten second kiss on the mouth is 'sibling-coded' or that platonic buddies have emotional affairs and fraught conversations about bad timing.
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strangeswift · 1 year
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I'm so sorry for being that b**ch, but, people think that Mike and Eleven are staying friends if thry break up? They were never friends to begin with, they know nothing about each other even dating.
Hey anon, I have a question for you. Have you ever seen a Netflix show called Stranger Things? It seems like maybe you haven't seen it. It's really good, you should watch it. One of the best parts is in season one when Mike and his friends find a girl called "Eleven," and they call her El. Then El becomes friends with Mike and his friends! Mike and El become the closest though. They even use the word friend to describe each other, out loud, like... A LOT of times during this season! :D <3 Like when Mike explains to her what friends are, or when he repeatedly says, "Friends don't lie." Or on the traintracks when El says, "Mike. Friends tell the truth." Or after they find Will’s body and Mike says, "I thought we were friends, why did you lie to me?" Or in Will's hospital room when Mike says, "We made a new friend."
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Them being friends <3
Then, in season two, Mike is extremely worried for El. He misses her a lot, so much so that he tries to radio for her every day. Cute, right? Something you'd do if you really cared about someone.
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I'd also like you to watch the reunion scene in s2 and tell me they don't care about each other...
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This isn't just a silly crush and nothing more. They have a strong bond, they care about each other a lot. Some people interpret this bond as romantic love, while I see it as platonic love. All of this happens before they're dating, but maybe your argument is that they were romantically interested in each other this whole time, so it negates their friendship. Here's the thing: It doesn't. Even if they never had any interest in being "just friends" –which I don't find to be the case– it doesn't mean that the bond they built is negligible when we're considering whether or not they would remain friends after their break-up. They care about each other so much. So much. So... do you just think that after they break up they won't have any relationship at all? They'll just be awkward acquaintances, after everything they've been through together? That makes no sense at all.
My personal opinion is that the issues in their relationship are because the relationship is romantic. They aren't compatible romantically, but they're trying to be, and both pretending to be something they're not in the process. This puts strain on their relationship and causes conflict. Once their relationship no longer has the pressure of being romantic, that is when I think they will be able to communicate more and learn more about each other.
Also. L + ratio + don't call her "Eleven," her name is El.
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suna1suna1 · 8 months
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So yeah, Silvamy brainrot hours
I love both qpr and romantic silvamy, though I do think I lean more towards qpr silvamy.
Because the way I see Silvamy is that they just love each other and aren't afraid to show it through actions and never really feel the need to say it. Because they know they're loved by the other. It doesn't matter as much to me if that love is romantic or not because either way it's so so so strong.
I kept getting hung up on like how they would get together, how their confession would go and then I realized: They don't need that. They just have an understanding between them, and yeah, they'll talk about boundaries in terms of touch and stuff, but there's never any question of whether the other loves them. They feel it so strongly from the other person that there's no reason to question it.
I think Amy at the very least deserves a secure relationship like that, and with Silver, I think he's been lonely enough throughout his life that he's 1. very touch-starved, and 2. not afraid to show people he loves them. He's very new to it, and rather naïve. I think he very much shows his affection like a little kid, and he kinda loves everybody at first. But I think Amy would be one of his favorite people because of how kind she is to everyone around her. And Amy would love Silver because of how strong his will is to make the world a better place to live in.
They both have so much love and kindness in them and determination to match that of course they would gravitate towards each other, and whether that's platonic or romantic is up to interpretation, and that's what I think is beautiful about it.
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natasha-in-space · 10 months
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Hey so i too read your yooseven hc post but I wonder how would seven show his care towards yoosung cuz in that post i mainly see yoosung is like mainly the who is the "giver". And im not saying its bad (please dont take my words negatively) because i can also see seven himself feeling like yoosung is the one who "does more" than him in the relationship and perhaps may feel insecure about it from time to time because he never really had someone go this far for him, its not something he is used to.
And at the same time, while seven for most of his life have been the "caregiver" mainly because he is aware that he is the stronger twin and the one who could do something (so its more out of necessity) yoosung on the other hand has the innate need to be needed and be the "bigger" person even tho unlike seven he never had to feel the compulsion to be the said "bigger" person out of necessity because he has always been the youngest both in rfa and his family but he wants to be someone his loved ones can rely on because thats what makes him feel personally fulfilled, thats his love language. I hope im making sense
So i can see yoosung struggling in that aspect in the relationship with basically anyone he is been with including seven so I also wonder how it would be like in their relationship with seven as a dynamic
Hmm, yes, yes, I can totally see what you're talking about, anon! Relationships are messy, romantic or platonic, so it's only a given for both of them having to face a few difficulties, these ones included. Now, this is only my personal interpretation based on how I portray these characters, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt!
All I can say is that it's a process. A messy one. It all depends on the context. Do they confess their feelings to each other before taking care of Mint Eye? After? Does Yoosung have to deal with Saeyoung's avoidance like his mc's do during his route? Or do they have no time for that? Small details like these do matter in the long run. There are many, many ways you can write them getting together, and that's what makes it fun to play around with in the first place.
When it comes to the already established relationship... I believe they'll make it work. Not without a couple of mishaps, of course. Yoosung, in comparison to Saeyoung, is someone who is very open to communication, and he has no problem with openly talking about his feelings and asking Saeyoung to do the same. Saeyoung, on the other hand, will have some struggles with that aspect. It'll take him some time to move on from his previous ways of dealing with any difficulties, however big or small. This might lead to some conflicts between the two.
It's always hard to see your loved one pretending like everything's alright or outright denying that there's a problem when you know they don't have to do it alone. Saeyoung does this from the place of love, he really does. He doesn't want to burden anyone with his struggles and he'd much rather use this anxious energy to make his loved ones happy instead of making them needlessly worry. It's not healthy, but it's the only way he knows how to deal with his issues. For Yoosung, this might come across as Saeyoung not trusting him to understand what he's going through, and that stings. It's like Saeyoung thinks he's not strong enough to handle it. Yoosung has a... personal grudge against anyone keeping secrets from him. For a good reason. So, yes, this can become a major problem for them.
But, that doesn't mean they can't make it work. They care about one another. Saeyoung is not smothering Yoosung with gifts or putting up a lighthearted facade in front of him out of annoyance. He's doing it because he genuinely believes that's the right thing to do. I truly think Yoosung can figure it out. He's a deeply empathetic person at heart. He might get frustrated at times and he might need some time to get his thoughts in order, but he knows Saeyoung cares for him. And he knows when he's having a hard time. The tricky part is figuring out how to have this important talk.
It's really about balance. No relationship is perfect, just like none of us are perfect. Neither Yoosung nor Saeyoung had a serious romantic relationship before, so it's going to be very clumsy at times, but that's okay. At the end of the day, Saeyoung would never want to hurt the ones he loves most. He is willing to take notice when his actions start having a negative effect on Yoosung, and he is more than willing to apologize. As for Yoosung, he wants to know the real Saeyoung, more than anything. He might get a bit heated and pushy at times, but he will learn how to be more mature.
As for the way they show affection to one another... again, it's about communication. Saeyoung is the type of person who will show his love through his actions, while Yoosung is more on a verbal side. I truly think they know each other well enough where these differences won't be a problem. Saeyoung doesn't mind getting all mushy and romantic at times to see Yoosung blush and giggle. Meanwhile, Yoosung knows Saeyoung's gifts are so much more than just physical objects.
I guess you could say... they are learning together?
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huntlow shippers say its pretty much confirmed they'll be canon and i do see some of their arguments. blushing is used as shorthand for romantic feelings so it makes sense for some to interpret hunter blushing as a crush. and to make it more balanced shippers then look at scenes of them interacting and stretch the logic a bit to argue that willow also has a crush (though i absolutely don't see it lol).
but i feel like the crew is more teasing the fans with the ship than actually foreshadowing that it would happen in the story, you know? they go out of their way to avoid any actual conversation between hunter and willow after their first episode together. and even though hunter is given the "romantic" shorthands willow is given none.
in that one stream when someone asked if the ship would happen dana found it rly funny and reacted like they were going to tease the fandom with something unexpected. and they can't kill off one half of the ship bc that would go against the vibe of the story and hunter and willows character arcs. but if they're just going to make them canon then it's weird that dana would have such a big reaction to it. i would have just expected a cryptic smile and a "stay tuned ;DDD"
same with that one promo art of thanks to them with huntlow holding hands like if they do get together why would you show that on a piece of promo art? especially for an episode where they don't get together? it would have been more impactful if they just let it happen in the show without alluding to it in the promos. they definitely didn't do that for lumity or raeda. same thing with some other promo arts where huntlow are standing next to each other or that one where hunter is looking at willow.
i can buy that hunter has a crush but i can't see willow having one, or them getting together in a well-written way. im really hoping they go with the "willow rejects hunters love confession" route bc they haven't had a conversation in almost 10 episodes and i trust the crew to write romantic relationships better than that. i hope the crew's push for the huntlow ship is just a big troll on their part (although it would be kind of mean to huntlow shippers if it was just a troll)
The whole belief that it’s “confirmed canon” is honestly my biggest gripe with huntlows because the ones that insist it is canon are the ones that come after people that don’t ship it, as if there haven’t always been people in fandom spaces that actively ignore actual canon ships anyway. It’s definitely frustrating because blushing is often used as romantic shorthand, but toh has down an amazing job from day one of showing characters blushing at people they look up to or admire with absolutely no romantic context (I.e. Willow at Luz, or Luz at Eda which is CLEARLY one of awe and admiration) so I think if they pull the rug out from under shippers and have it said or implied “it was because he looked up to her the whole time, not romantic!” It would be very on brand and also hilarious. And if it IS a crush, I’m going to decide to ignore canon and say Hunter has very little social skills and has no idea what just admiring and wanting to be a person’s friend feels like so he thinks it’s romantic attraction lol. In the other hand with Willow, she clearly has no romantic interest in him whatsoever. As I said before, we’ve seen Willow blush and it’s only ever been in a platonic sense (aroace Willow 👀) so if that’s shippers’ marker for romantic attraction she definitely is NOT interested in him in that way.
I definitely agree with you that it feels like a tease, and it would definitely be Dana’s MO for a show she’s so heavily laden with queer rep for the straight “couple” to get the usual queerbait treatment. It would feel like a fuck you to Disney and every other show that has made queer ppl the butt of their jokes for so many years and I think that’s beautiful. Also im so glad you think the same thing about that stream. I’ve said the EXACT same thing in the past- that reaction was definitely not a blushy uwu my pairing reaction that was the reaction of a person that has some shit up her sleeve in regards to the question lmfao. Dana hasn’t reacted that way visibly about lumity OR raeda which she later in the same stream said was her favorite ship, so reacting that way to a ship that’s not even canon and that fans are constantly theorizing about seems SO un-Dana terrace to me. Like I cannot stress enough how much that would not make sense lmao.
I haven’t seen the promo art of them holding hands??? Kind of glad I haven’t seen it? But yeah, the way they’re always looking at each other in promo art. It definitely seems like a tease, though because none of those episodes have really had them interacting at all. I genuinely cannot see how they could produce a well written romance like you said even before this last episode, but ESPECIALLY now after this last episode. It would feel cheap and like they’re using a romance as the thing to heal hunter after all the trauma he’s gone through. With flapjack, you know,, and being the most important thing in Hunter’s life, it feels they’ve narratively gone too far for huntlow to end up being anything more than a “sure your best friend might have died to save your life, but you’re all better now because the girl said yes :)” type deal. It makes me feel kinda sick thinking about it because it would feel disrespectful to everything he’s just gone through. Hunter needs time to grieve and re-find himself, the thought of him having any romantic feelings for anyone/a crush on anyone after what happened wouldn’t make sense. Like “oh yeah that was traumatizing, but potential romance!!”. Like it would be shelving all the trauma he now needs to process and make flapjack’s sacrifice feel so cheap because I cannot see hunter having any interest in anything like that anymore directly after that’s happened. When people are traumatized like that they tend to close off, emotions shut down, etc (not to say that’s exactly what will happen, but it narratively makes sense after all that with how we already know hunter acts) and wouldn’t actively be thinking about a romance but would more likely be distancing himself. I swear to god if we get a scene of the hexsquad and camila of hunter explaining being a grimwalker/what all happened and it ends with him blushing at Willow because she for once ever does something romantic back or just hugs him or something I will snap because like I said it would make it feel like flapjacks sacrifice is being pushed to the wayside just to further a random ship that barely has any canon evidence. It already would have felt cheap to make it canon before, but it REALLY would now. That being said, I agree with you that I trust that if they were going to end up romantic the crew would have done much better writing for it rather than it feeling like a constant tease AND I trust Dana to handle the aftermath of all the shown physical abuse Hunter just experienced better than to make huntlow canon to “fix him”. The amazing quality of writing for lumity and raeda really doesn’t lend high hopes for huntlow actually becoming canon & I hope it stays that way for the sake of the writing.
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Hello! I’m not too caught up on murderbot, a series I haven’t gotten into yet.
Could I have some context on the book compared to the fanbase? Thank you, I love your posts :]
all you really need to know is that there are pockets/circles of people in the fandom who have terminal fandom brainrot which causes them to justify the erasure of character traits, particularly in murderbot and perihelion, for the sake of writing fanfiction and creating other highly out-of-character fan content.
full disclosure, i myself am an autistic survivor of sexual, physical, and emotional trauma. so, yes, this is highly personal and i take it very personally.
and i also want to note that murderbot, in-text, is never explicitly stated to be the labels "asexual" or "aromantic" or "aplatonic" (nor "agender" either, and you could make the case that murderbot's identity is undeclared (1) (2) — another identity that receives hardly any representation, fiction or otherwise) but there is a lot of textual evidence that murderbot is viscerally sex and romance repulsed, as well as touch-averse and averse to most platonic affection, including the words like "relationship" and "friend" or "friendship", using the term "friend" incredibly sparingly, like i do as a post-trauma aplatonic person. we know these things as facts, presented in the text. so it is especially bizarre that people would insist that, for example, "actually since murderbot is asexual i as an arospec asexual get to decide that murderbot is actually sex-favorable and romance-favorable and i'm going to interpret its touch-aversion as a flaw and i'm going to write a fic where gurathin (of all people) fixes that." as if that isn't horrifying, and honestly indicative of a person's lack of understanding of other peoples' boundaries.
being sex-repulsed is not a flaw that needs to be fixed. being romance-repulsed is not a flaw that needs to be fixed. being touch-averse is not a flaw that needs to be fixed. being aplatonic is not a flaw that needs to be fixed. the murderbot diaries books have never implied that these things are 'flaws' in murderbot that 'need to be fixed' and, yet, time and time again you'll see fanfiction penned by murderbot fans in which they explicitly frame it this way, and they justify doing so by saying (among other things) that they are 'projecting' onto murderbot, that they themselves are aroace and they're fine with romance so they'll 'let murderbot have romantic interactions' with another character despite how utterly distressed it would be, and how much of a literal assault that would be to canon murderbot.
and gee, it's almost like murderbot shares a lot of traits with trauma survivors (you know, because it is one), like how survivors of sexual assault can be sex-repulsed and romance-repulsed... like, wow, it's almost as if its preferences are not simply because it is aroace or simply because it's autism-coded but because it is a fucking trauma survivor! like it's all of these things! picking and choosing which of these things to 'read' for ignores whole chunks of murderbot's character. remember what it told us in all systems red? "It’s wrong to think of a construct as half bot, half human. It makes it sound like the halves are discrete, like the bot half should want to obey orders and do its job and the human half should want to protect itself and get the hell out of here. As opposed to the reality, which was that I was one whole confused entity"?
you cannot just say "fuck you" to canon all the time no matter what. it's an irresponsible way to examine a piece of media. the way this kind of attitude is fostered in fandom spaces is disturbing to me, primarily because it is downright disrespectful to the source material and what it represents.
i am issuing a content warning for commentary regarding sexual assault below the cut, it is pertinent to my comment above about murderbot and canon and sexual assault survival, but also contains the rest of my answer to this ask:
it would not be a stretch to think it might be possible that murderbot itself has endured sexual harassment or assault from humans. its internal commentary about sexbots, the purpose of sexbots/comfortunits, and talking about their functions in opposition to itself, combined with other comments about being asked to do things that do not meet its designation as a secunit (such as tidying/cleaning up after humans).
i will accept that this is conjecture and based on nothing entirely concrete, but i am interpreting this as a possibility from my own experiences as a sexual assault survivor (and speaking from the perspective of a sex worker who has encountered and been on the receiving end of this specific type of anger and frustration murderbot has for sexbots early on); the way that it comments aggressively about things related to sex and comfortunits imply how adamant it is for people to understand that it is not a comfortunit, it is not a sexbot, it is repulsed and triggered by sex, it is repulsed and triggered by romance. much like other references to its traumas, it does the survivor-typical thing and avoids mentioning names, avoids topics, avoids its triggers as much as it can, and insists upon its preferences repeatedly. it's not hiding these facts about itself away.
so when people overlook this, that fandom behavior comes off as negligent. it tells me that people have not been reading the source material very closely at all. it tells me that people are only willing to relate to murderbot insofar as they themselves can personally know what it has experienced.
except not everything you fucking read has to be about you. "relatability" does not a good protagonist make. unfortunately, that's just about all that people with fandom brainrot give a shit about. unless, god forbid, a trauma survivor reading these books also shares murderbot's strong repulsions to sex and romance and feels defensive. in which case the fandom-brain idiots go "well we all interpret murderbot in our own special ways".
it stops being interpretation when you're just erasing the character. i just wish people would accept that.
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lloydfrontera · 1 year
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Seeing as how they gatekeep the webtoon readers every single fucking moment that isn't comedy rrelief in the novel is just sad do you think that they'd really better the way it would end??? I'm just so saddened how their not quite brother-like moments are just cutout so like would they actually go through with the scene where lloyd passes through the door???????
*sigh* well i'd really fucking hope they do. i think i can understand why the genre shifted more to a comedy in the webtoon than the more dramatic tone of the novel but it'd be such a shame for them to not use one of the best moments in the entire story. but while i had really high hopes for them to solve the issue with the plot threads left hanging, now i'm more concerned they'll just... skip those emotional beats in order to not have to bother with them at all :/
i joke a lot about the webtoon "no homo-ing" its way through the plot, but i actually really do think it's a bit of an issue tbh. there's, unfortunately, a lot of dudebros who like the webtoon. at least in english there is. and they cringe so hard anytime there's even a hint of anything that could be interpreted as less than strictly platonic between javier and lloyd. and if it's the same in korean (which i don't doubt, dudebros will be dudebros no matter the country), then that could definitely be influencing the way they're adapting the webnovel into the webtoon. and i think that sucks! not even because i think lloyd and javier should kiss (tho they totally should) but because by avoiding any moments that could potentially look romantic, they're skipping a lot of nice character building and developing of their friendship that both flesh them out and endear them to us the audience.
and that plus the fact they seem to be allergic to almost any earnest moment that doesn't lend itself to a joke, makes the story feel shallow and cynical in a way it doesn't in the webnovel.
so coming back to whether they'll skip the scene with lloyd going through the door. i don't think they will. it's such an important moment plot-wise that it'd be extremely difficult for them to skip over it without having to massively rewrite the ending in a way they haven't dared to do yet. but if they continue skipping the heartfelt moments in order to make jokes, they may not skip the scene but it won't have nearly the impact it does in the webnovel
so for the sake of having a good story over a good comedy i hope they dial back the jokes a little and focus more on building upon the relationship between characters and give panels to the quiet moments that allow us to know them instead of using them on the same jokes we've already seen before
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arc-of-smiles · 8 months
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yuya sakaki for the character memeeeee
General opinion/How much I care about them:
I LOVE YUYA HELLO????? I CARE ABT HIM SO MUCH!!!! he's just such a kind wejhfbewb person. yuya is a very kind protagonist, so kind that he's just super naive because of it. i would argue he's the most, because he just trusts anyone automatically if they remind him of his dad.
however, i really hated a lot of the zarc stuff, not his fault by any means! it's the fault of the writing, he could've shined more if the writing wasn't so... yeah. especially towards the end of the series. he could've been more if arc-v didn't hold him back. he lost so much potential because of said writing. i wish he got to shine more, and entertain us more.
and in my hot take: i would've loved an ending where all of the yu's and the bracelet girls lived! but also, i feel like the most interesting ending would've been if all of them died. i feel like his character arc would've ended super interesting like that. idk, i'm just still mad abt the ending wejhfbwe, why not have all of them dead?
i also say this bc angst my beloved. BUT BUT BUT, i love yuya so much and i want him to be happy. he deserves to duel with a giant smile.
A ship I love:
pendulum....shipping... i've loved them for a long time. they make me happy, and they itch my brain in SUCH a happy way. i always liked them since i was a child. i love the dynamic of reiji being in love with yuya, but not showing it (if that makes sense). he will show his love through actions, and protecting yuya and basically laying his life down. reiji will do anything for yuya, he wants and needs yuya to be happy.
yuya always loved reiji too! but i feel as if he had a hard time showing his love too. both of them went through so much, and i feel like it will take them a long time for them to be together. as friends?? YEAH THAT'S AWESOME!! as lovers??? give them a handful of years, then they'll go on a date.
A non-romantic relationship that I love:
him and the other yu's. i personally interpret them with a brotherly/strong friendship relationship thing. i can go either way. in some aus i have, they're brothers... others they're just friends or whatever.
i think all of them would have a very funny dynamic. yuya would always try to break up arguments and try to keep them all happy. i think they should all go to an amusement park and make yuri go on a rollercoaster. IT WOULD BE FUN
The NOTP:
i really don't like yuto/yuya wehfbwehjJHWEBFWE LIKE I'M SORRY. i can't, i really can't. out all of the yu ships i rlly don't like them together. i also see them as brothers (in certain aus) but in general, i see them as platonic friends. that's it, i can only see them being platonic.
My biggest headcanon about them:
besides my semi-well known hc (if you look at my account), i hc yuya to be trans. however, since that's already well known, i will just share another one wefjhbwe.
imo, i feel like he would be a good cook... but can barely go grocery shopping. he will simply get too distracted, and get snacks instead of food to make.
he started out not so good, but he would constantly try over and over again. he would cook with yoko a lot! overtime, he did get better. when he goes grocery with his mom, she would have to keep yuya by her side. he would want to walk away and point at the snacks and beg for some. but no... they can make their own!
yuya's mind is scattered in stores, he wants to look at everything! also he can't follow a cook book, he will mess up.
An idea for a fanfiction I would like to write/read about them: (if I have none in my WIPs I'll make one up on the spot!)
i want to write a fic where yuya and reiji confess to each other, post arc-v! they're both adults, and they've been longing to see and talk to each other about these feelings.
angsty but full of love, i want reiji to be terrified of love. he's worried about messing everything up. and yuya is afraid of losing a friend.
trauma!
Something that makes me think of them: (a song, a character in another fandom, an animal, anything)
anytime i see a colorful jester i think of yuya, i'm trying to think of a song that reminds me of him... but i can't rn. like god, it was on my mind BUT THEN IT SLIPPED I'M SO MAD AUGHHHHH!!! my joyous boy, god i love him.
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So I know what things are supposed to be "romantic" and I know the difference between platonic and romantic like I know and even feel they are different but I cannot for the life of me understand what romance is or like what a romantic feeling is I'm in a relationship and I love him and we have fun together but I just don't understand the romance thing and neither does he. Idk what this is even asking I'm just confused lol sorry
Romance is genuinely a confusing thing. Even if you ask alloromantic people who are very confident in their alloromanticism and that what they're doing/experiencing is romantic what romance is or what makes something romantic, they'll usually have trouble explaining it to you. And you'll usually get a lot of 'it feels that way', 'you just know' or random descriptions of scenarios (often things that are romantic to them specifically).
Not everyone can easily tell whether their feelings are romantic or not though. Not all feelings fall firmly into either romantic or platonic, other people may interpret the same feelings in different ways. I'd say it's OK if you don't know if your feelings/actions are romantic or not, and it's up to you how you want to handle that. You can still choose to label them or define them if you want to (even if you're not 100% sure, and it's fine whichever you choose so long as it doesn't feel uncomfortable for either of you), but you can also choose to leave it undefined if you want to.
Some terms you may also find useful:
Queerplatonic: A queerplatonic relationship (QPR) is any relationship that doesn't fit neatly into friendship or romance. And queerplatonic feelings are feelings that make you want to be a queerplatonic relationship with someone. (Also sometimes called quirkyplatonic or quasiplatonic.)
Alterous attraction: If you look at platonic or romantic as binaries, alterous can be considered the non-binary option. Generally defined as attraction that may have romantic or platonic elements but won't be wholly either, and often people experiencing this attraction want a strong emotional bond with the person they're attracted to.
Quoiromantic: A giant umbrella term for anyone who disidentifies with the concept of romance/romantic attraction/romantic orientation, or someone who doesn't find it useful, applicable, sensical, accessible, etc. A lot of people who have trouble figuring out if what they're feeling is romantic or not find this label very useful. (The linked article is also very good and expands on the concept more.)
So hopefully that's helpful, all the best, Anon!
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@shichishi-chii sent - For the Mun questions: 1, 3, 7 and 9 ( Questions for Muns - Accepting! )
1. How do you feel about reblog karma?
I gave the long answer for the last one, so I'll keep it short here - I think it's a nice thing to do and it avoids needlessly clogging up the activity of others, but ultimately it comes down to being an individual choice. I can't force people to practice reblog karma, nor do I want to.
3. Whose writing has impacted your writing style the most? (you can choose anyone! famous writer or not.)
Nobody in particular.
7. Describe your favorite relationship dynamic. (can be any kind, platonic, romantic, familial, antagonistic, etc.)
There's not really any one favorite - they're all rewarding to play out and to write - yeah it's fun and cute to write romantic ships but I do love writing a wholesome friendship too and it's even fun to explore a family dynamic or something more along the lines of a rivalry. They're all rewarding, albeit in different ways and each have their pros and cons.
9. When you look at a new blog, what is it that makes you press the follow button? is it the muse, the aesthetics, the writing–?
I definitely do have that initial moment of excitement of being like 'hey, i know this character!' or 'i know this series!' so that's definitely a contributing factor and that feeling of excitement can definitely motivate me to give someone a follow, because I'm all curious to see how they'll interpret and write the character and potentially talk about and geek about said fandom with them, lol.
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maryellencarter · 1 year
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So we still have multiple Lupin III stories in progress.
I don't know if I can bear to post any of them. I've already left almost all the Lupin servers I was in.
Not because I want to move on. I still love the show and the characters. I have more stories to tell. But...
...there just isn't a place in this fandom for me.
People can't even fucking acknowledge that they're being unwelcoming. They'll tell me to my face that they're biphobic and expect me to just be fine with that. They'll toss out general statements about how only homophobes could read a relationship as nonromantic and expect me to be okay with that too.
I've been as loud as I thought I could while being polite. It hasn't made a dent. So here's a different try:
If you say things like "Jigen isn't attracted to women", "any story with a Jigen girlfriend is a bad story", "Jigen doesn't have any chemistry with his onscreen girlfriends", "Jigen only has relationships with women because of compulsory heterosexuality" -- you are BIPHOBIC, and let me be clear in very small words:
THAT. IS. BAD!
It means YOU HATE ME!
So I do not want you reading ANY OF MY STORIES!
You don't deserve them! You don't deserve to enjoy good writing from someone you are ERASING and SILENCING and FORBIDDING FROM REPRESENTATION.
Furthermore:
If you're one of the 99% of the fandom who saw episode 5 of Lupin Zero and said anything like "This can only be read romantically", "Every queer fan is happy about this development", "It's good that they finally stopped lying to us":
you have hurt ME PERSONALLY. Which I said, loudly, multiple times, with explanations, and not ONE person came over and said "I didn't mean it that way" or "there's room for you".
(Two people tried to tell me I could still interpret the relationship as platonic. I appreciate the thought, but -- no, no I can't. I can't *share* that interpretation without having it overridden by arophobic well-meaning asshats who can't register that they're doing any harm by acting like they think I meant it as romantic, and that's already destroying me.)
So. If you think a platonic friendship, or a nonromantic sexual relationship, can't be the deepest relationship in a person's life --
-- if you think that making a queer relationship romantic is something that only homophobes can regret or be upset about --
-- if you think making any fictional relationship romantic makes it "more", deeper, more fulfilling, more meaningful --
then GO EAT A SACK OF BRICKS!
and also don't read my stories anymore.
because I was just that stupid, autistic, aromantic *loser* who thought a story that explicitly talked about the importance of friendship was going to be about
ACTUAL FRIENDSHIP
i thought i was seeing a part of myself that never, ever gets portrayed. there are no canon-media stories about friendship that's more important than romance. i dared to start *writing* about it.
and then i found out that not one solitary person in this fandom is capable of taking a minute from ASSIGNING their joy to everyone around them and realizing, hey, a queer person is saying they're NOT happy about this development, they're deeply distressed, they just lost what everyone else gained.
Nobody wants me here. Nobody wants *what I am* here. They're happy to read my writing, but only if they can *overwrite* me into the assumption of what Somebody Who Writes Things They Enjoy must be.
I haven't even been able to watch any Lupin, except for showing selected episodes to Kat, since this happened. I can't think about posting a new story without crying all over again. I'm not allowed to exist here, and I can't even yell loud enough to get anybody to acknowledge it.
I'm not somebody who nukes my fics. Even if these weren't all co-written, an archive is an archive, and everything I've posted on AO3 is still up there. But I genuinely do not know if I can share anything more with the people who make me feel like this.
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