#girl-coded Jason Todd

[mintacle]

Jason Todd- DC's Pandora's box

If you only hadn't felt the need to see.

The allure of the beautiful, the desire for what you believe it will hold and the blessings you hope to receive. Open up that casket and look inside if that which you love most can still be found.

Jason Todd is blatantly without agency for a lot of his story. Ranging from the implications of his lack of self-determination as Robin and his demise resulting as actions unrelated to him; Sheila's desires, Joker and Batman's feud, Jason getting caught up in the middle without his own motive mattering much either way, - to his lack of autonomy over his narrative while dead, being turned into a cautionary tale and getting victim-blamed over and over again for his death - finally to his catatonic state for about a year after returning to life, rendering him more object than human and with the exception of Talia he is treated as a mere object. This lack of autonomy coupled with the heaping of others' worst nightmares and biggest hopes on him turns him into an instrument for others to torture themselves over.

The thing about the Pandora's Box is that it's myth was meant to drive home the point that women were inherently evil. Because they lure you in with their beauty but they hide things beneath this surface, and how dare they be more than what they appear to be, no, what you project them to be?

Once the box of Jason Todd is opened up and he is not the potential that everyone wishes to have fulfilled through him - the loyal son come back to life - it is clear that he is no good, he is a mistake.

And saying that Jason is Pandora's Box is not just random pontification. The Lost Days comics themselves allude to this. First we have Ra's saying so:

dehumanizing Jason and seeing him merely as how he affects others, namely inconveniences Ra's and is a distraction to his daughter.

Then at the end of the next issue, Jason tells Talia about his plan to kill Bruce and Talia says the same thing:

And the problem is that, while people can pontificate about whether Jason is good or bad, a net gain or a net loss, morally justified or morally apprehensive, what about Jason himself?

No one cared for Pandora or her plights, in fact ancient Greeks didn't much care for the plights of any woman. they were excused from caring about women with the Pandora's curse. Because of how others suffer due to their mere existence, it is not necessary to consider them. Never mind that the men's suffering is constructed in their own minds.

The pain that Jason puts others in by making them confront reality, that he died for Bruce's mission, is used as an excuse to not care about him either. Because he's too painful to look in the eye, because of the painful memories he brings up.

The potential of having him back was too alluring to ignore, the reality of it too crushing to accept. The only place to put all this blame for the hurt and suffering was on Jason himself. Never mins that he did not create this pain, did not ask to be brought back, that he is the one suffering most under this weight.

#Jason Todd #rambling #meta #girl-coded Jason Todd #Lost Days #to be clear Talia is the one character in his entirety of Lost Days/UTRH who views him differently #That one panel does not suffice to describe their relationship and she is the only human to see him as an act person and to care about HIM #will hopefully have the spoons to make a post about that too. #patron saint of victims

[bruciemilf]

Bombastic Hot Take: Yara Is a Batman fangirl (swiftie coded)

#do NOT come at me with ' an amazon would never stan a man' you goofy bitch bruce wayne is the most female coded superhero ever #batman has ALWAYS been for the girls and gays so shut it #yara flor #batman #dc #dc comics #batfamily #dick grayson #jason todd #tim drake #stephanie brown #batfam social media #cassie sandsmark #kon el #kon kent #which one is it i am not letting that pronoun joke go to waste

[rhinexstone]

There are at least 163 paparazzi photos of Brucie Wayne in a slutty tank top version of this

(For those who don’t know, in New Jersey you legally cannot pump your own gas. It’s the only state in the US where this is still the case, and despite it resulting in higher gas prices, it’s a CORNERSTONE to the New Jersey community and lots of women have bumpersticker/tops/hats/etc with this phrase)

#jersey girl #new jeresy #Bruce Wayne #brucie wayne #Batman #batfam #either him or Jason #Jason Todd #red hood #Robin dc #is SO Jersey girl coded

[jasontoddssuper]

Free Percy Jackson,Jason Todd and Hobie Brown from the Swiftie boyfriend allegations

Edit:Hp/Marauder's Era fans liking is Wild.You're literally Switfies in book nerd form

#no because i was in percy's selfship tag and i was literally chanting 'please no new switfie posts please no new switfie posts' #and wouldn't you FUCKIN' know it THERE was one.LEAVE HIM ALONE HE'D LITERALLY BEAT HER ASS HE'S CANONICALLY POOR AND DISABLED #and jason?????he screams mcr and green day and the metal genre and if he liked indie girl shit it would be actual ones not wannabes #i don't need to say anything about hobie but i don't even selfship with him romantically(that's my baby brother and son figure) #but i'm constantly slapped in the face with him.percy is punk-coded hobie is the embodiment of black punk youth and jason is a whole slashe #why would they listen to the goddess of white privilige.gimme literally one reason i quadruple dog dare you #percy jackson #jason todd #hobie brown #anti taylor swift #pjo #hoo #batfam #ditf #lost days #utrh #rhato #teen titans:damian edition #dead sidekicks force #new ember days #lego batman/superman:family matters #spiderverse #atsv #btsv #spiderman #black percy #latino percy #afrolatino jason supremacy #letters from summer #x reader

[thelesbianthespianposts]

“Jason’s so rebellious”, “he’s the problem child” bro is NOT. He THINKS he is. But if anything he’s the kiss ass child trying to seem cool and rebellious. He’ll blow up a building and immediately be like “did Bruce see that?” “Did he see how rebellious I am??” “What’d he say???”. Rebellious my ass.

#He’s not really the cool antihero the fandom and even some comics claim he is #When dick rebelled he cut off Bruce however he could to be with the titans #not a expert on Tim but I think he did something similar or at least did the basic #Spray paint and skateboarding type of rebellion #But no Jason has some dumbass ideology which just happens to clash perfectly with his dads #And also gives him room to monologue about how he has daddy issues #(He doesn’t) #(At least not from Bruce) #All he does is care what Bruce thinks #In a strange filial version of the girl asking if the guy she’s “not into” mentioned her #And no I don’t think Bruce’s moral code is good #But people claiming Jason’s is better don’t understand that #“I just kill bad people” #Isn’t a sustainable solution #And can be heavily influenced by personal biases #Jason todd #i guess it’s kinda #anti jason todd #batman #red hood #dc comics

[mistergreatbones]

She’s my poor little meow meow (slaughtered her entire family without remorse)

#baby girl coded #as in she was LITERALLY a twelve year old girl #merricat blackwood #I’m turning into a Jason Todd stan level delusional over her #tw murder mention

[naliahh]

#sad girl is so Jason Todd and my OC coded #he’s got the fireeee and he walks with ittt #jason todd #🎧 #Spotify

[lilacsandlillies]

I was going through the anti Jason Todd tag because I hate myself and want to understand where people who dislike him are coming from and one thing I kept seeing was annoyance at Jason fans who claim that Jason is female coded and realized that the term “female coded” might not be the best term to describe what we mean.

A female coded character in literature and media typically means a character that has no specified gender or otherwise does not have a gender but is obviously meant to be a stand in for a woman or female. Kind of like how Starfire has no specified race (due to being an alien) but is still obviously black coded based on the way she’s drawn and treated by the narrative.

This is slightly different than what we mean when saying that Jason is female coded. It’s not that Jason is literally supposed to be a stand in for a female character, it’s that the way a lot of characters treat him and a lot of the tropes used on him are things that usually saved for female characters, not big buff men like Jason.

To start with, being Robin is narratively (or at least was) very similar to being a woman in a story. Robin is a role made to complement Batman (who we all know is basically the ultimate male power fantasy). Robin’s role is to be an accessory to Batman. Robin can be smart, but not smarter than Batman. Robin can be strong, but not stronger than Batman. Hell, Robin is often kidnapped and used as a literal damsel in distress, a role often regulated for women as a whole.

What sets Jason apart from the other robins (except for Steph) in this regard is that they were allowed to be characters outside of Batman. Dick might not have been the “man” of the story when he’s with Bruce, but when he’s with the teen titans suddenly he’s the smart one who has all the answers. Jason’s Robin was never really allowed this.

Then we get to the most, controversial, part of Jason’s female coding. The fact the he was effectively fridged. Fridging is usually only referred to as frigding if it’s a female character, but Jason’s death checks pretty much all the other boxes needed. An incredibly brutal death that was more about Bruce’s feelings on it than Jason himself.

This is especially apparent when compared to the other Bat characters. For all the female coding, the only other Robin to actually be fridged was Steph (and we all know about the misogyny surrounding her death). Barbara was also kind of fridged during the killing Joke. The only female character to escape this is Cass (to my knowledge). When you look at it through this lens, the fact that the only other characters to be permanently damaged like this for Bruce’s story are female, it’s not hard to see where the idea that Jason is female coded comes from.

You can even find this in Jason’s origin story. Poor little orphan is saved by benevolent billionaire is a role usually saved for little girls, like in Annie.

Despite what you might think, this even continues after Jason’s revival. Jason is still used less as a character and more as a motivation for Bruce. He’s regularly called emotional and hysterical (terms usually used to refer to women).

Jason is first and foremost a victim. A role performed by women in most media. Men are expected to be stoic and “rise above” the things done to them as to not be victims, as continuously shown by the way characters like Nightwing are not allowed to be effected by the horrific things they go through. The fact that Jason is shown the be angry, and sad, and emotional, constantly, and the fact that he’s punished and vilified for it puts him in a place much more similar to a female character.

There’s a reason that so many Jason fans (that like him for a reason past “antihero with guns”) are female. For most characters, when you swap their genders there would be a pretty clear and big difference in the way their story takes place. If you swap Jason’s gender, the story takes place identically.

A lot of this is best shown in men’s reactions to Arkham Knight’s version of Jason. In that game, Jason is similarly angry and emotional, albeit for slightly different reasons. He is also still unmistakably a victim. You’d think the men playing would like him. After all he’s a big cool angsty guy with a lot of guns and muscles. Instead, a lot of men’s thought that he was whiny. That his feelings were annoying.

There’s also something to be said about how his autonomy is regularly undermined by Bruce (specifically in Gotham war) and how his decisions and feeling are constantly treated as if they’re worth less than Bruce’s, but that’s a discussion for another day.

#jason todd #dc #red hood #for the record this is probably all unintentional on the writers part #and people who feel differently about Jason’s character and the role he represents are (mostly) completely valid #a lot of what I said honestly probably plays in a lot into the obvious classism surrounding his character

[midnightorchids]

Hello I'm literally obsessed with how you write jason todd and how you invision him I binged your jason todd list and it's so good. I was wondering if you could write one where he has like a bubbly golden retriever girl who is obsessed with him and would leave any conversation to just go to him

First of all, you’re a literal sweetheart omg! Thank you so much for reading, I’m so glad you like my work! And second, I am so so so sorry for how late this is!!

This idea is so cute, Jason totally deserves a cute and bubbly gf!! This is a little bit long, but I hope you like it!!

Jason had once again invited you to another one of Bruce’s galas as his date. Formal events were never your scene, but you couldn’t say no to Jason, especially when he’d ask so politely.

He’d stare at your face lovingly with his big doe eyes. His calloused hands would cup your face gently as his thumbs delicately grazed your cheeks. His bitten lips would turn into a small smile and you couldn’t bear to say no to his pretty face. That’s how the story always went, he’d stare at you innocently and you’d always agree to attend.

Jason hated attending galas, but he hated going to them alone even more. Hence why he brought you, he wanted you there for moral support. 

He always tried his best to be gentleman when it came to these types of events. His eyes never leaving you for a second.

A few years ago he made up a code for when you’d attend formal events together. You still remember the look he gave you when he explained the “rules.”

His gaze was gentle and his hands were laced with your own. He spoke in a soft, hushed voice, “okay pretty girl, listen up. One squeeze, means you’re done with the conversation. Two is for when you’re ready to leave. Got it?”

You almost never had to use the code though, somehow Jason always knew when it was time to head out.

Galas and formal events were always so consuming, exhausting almost. The politics and business were far too confusing. You never found yourself wanting to engage with most people as it felt awkward to initiate conversations sometimes.

You’d spent most of the evening stuck to Jason’s side with his hands firmly on your waist or tangled between your fingers. 

However, despite your views of the galas, you were a star. Men and women alike frolicked around you, like bees to a flower. You were always a source of wonderment— polite, kind and beautiful. 

You always greeted everyone with a soft, welcoming smile. You were bubbly and made an effort to look engaged in conversations when people approached you. Whenever you’d do this, Jason couldn’t help but smile to himself. It wasn’t your element, but here you were immersing yourself into these empty conversations for him. 

This particular gala felt similar to most of Bruce’s events. Noisey chatter and expensive gowns engulfing the room.

You were starting to feel tired and Jason was starting to feel antsy too. But he was cornered by three men in matching black suits and it was too awkward to leave. You and Jason rarely got separated at such places, but it had seemed to be just one of those nights. You took a seat at the nearest table, as the pair of stilettos on your feet were starting to cause an uncomfortable ache.

You stared into the crowd, a smile small on your face when you’d accidentally make eye contact with someone. You were in your own head, paying no mind to your surroundings when a tall man walked over to you. 

“May I sit here,” he said, pointing to the seat next to you. You nodded your head with a polite smile. 

Minutes go by and you notice the man trying to gather the courage to speak to you, but it seemed that every time he tried, he got nervous. You tried to ignore his behaviour and found yourself looking around the room for Jason. He still seemed to be preoccupied with the men.

Jason’s jade eyes met your gaze from across the room and his stern expression slowly morphed into a small smirk, making the scar near his lip more pronounced. 

He nodded along with the men, but his attention was on you. He stood up taller, trying to fix his posture. He ran a hand through his styled hair, making it just the right amount of messy. He looked good in his navy suit and your eyes raked his body. He looked pretty today and he knew it too.

A voice brings you back to reality and you look over into the direction of the sound. It was the man from earlier. 

“Pardon,” you asked softly and the man smiled. 

“Oh, I was just saying that it’s quite lively here tonight,” he said fixing his tie anxiously.

“It really is, it’s very loud tonight” you kept your answer short. The man looks up at you, his eyes fixed on your lips. 

“So I was wondering-” the man’s words don’t seem to register, you’re too busy looking at Jason. He was done with his conversation and was making his way over to you. You quickly get up in excitement.

The man still seemed to be talking and you find yourself interrupting him. 

“I’m so sorry but my boyfriend-” and Jason pulls you in by the waist, paying no attention to the man. 

“Hey pretty girl, I’m sorry I took so long,” he says. His voice low and sympathetic. You grin in response, happy to see your boyfriend again.

You wrap your arms around his shoulders, “let’s go home Jay. I’m so tired and my feet hurt,” you confess, pouting. 

Jason smiles gently. You look beautiful to him. He takes a strand of your hair and tucks it behind your ear and you can feel your face getting hot. Even after years of being together, Jason still had this effect on you. 

“Let’s go, want me to carry you,” Jason giggles and you smack his chest playfully. 

“I’m fine, let’s just leave,” he intertwines your fingers in his and leads you out the door. 

The man’s face looks stunned, he didn’t expect you to run off with your boyfriend mid conversation. 

#fem!reader #jason todd #red hood #jason todd x reader #red hood x reader #jason todd imagine #red hood imagine #jason todd headcanon #red hood headcanon #batfam

[kittykatninja321]

Jason Todd girl coded moments:

1. Gets fridged and milked for man pain for like 17 years

2. His dad lobotomizes him for being hysterical

#And if you’re reading this and wondering ‘lobotomy??’ You’re probably not caught up with current comics. And you should continue that #for your health #Jason Todd #dc

[punkeropercyjackson]

It's so FUCKING INFURIATING AND EMBARRASING how fanon Jason Todd stans always tell newbie Jason fans 'Don't read comics,just make shit up!!!' when they SHOULD tell them 'If you're scared to read comics,just watch Under The Red Hood!' when it's the perfect Jason adaption and average movie length!!!If you like Jason Todd but haven't actually consumed his media yet and want to get started,ignore those niggas because they're the same people who pretend Jason's Robin dosen't exist because he's black,are disgusted that all three of his love interests have been woc because they want him to only date white boys and white pick me girls and complete erase Jason's autistic-coding,goth punk slay and just his entire swag including what'd make him beyond good afrolatino rep but are foul enough to hc him as latino anyway.Those are the devils talking and you should tune them out by starting up Utrh and you should get your favorite snacks for too because you deserve them and i've read every Jason issue ever so if you want more info on him when you're done follow me since i'll actually know what i'm talking about,i love y'all and stay hydrated and ignoring Janky Talker truthers

#jason todd #pro jason todd #utrh #autistic jason todd #trans jason todd #afrolatino jason supremacy #dadhood #goth punk jason todd #robin #red hood #red reaper #star sapphire jason #duke thomas #rose wilson #artemis grace #dana harlowe #jayrose #jaytemis #jaydana #duke and jason #duke is a robin #duke is a batboy #outlaw!duke #roy harper #anti slade wilson #anti batcest #batfanon slander #dc #summerposting #x black!reader

[mintacle]

The girl-coded thing was like, forever ago, but I just was thinking about how the victim brutally avenging themselves is a very girl-coded narrative? Like, the rape and revenge trope. Woman gets sexually assaulted (or some other form of survivable but violating violence like mutilation) but survives and wrecks bloody vengeance on behalf of herself. I don't know but a woman taking brutal and bloody revenge for herself rather than on behalf of someone adjacent to her seems far more common than the same story with a man, perhaps because it demands victimization of the protagonist as the inciting incident which people are way less comfortable doing to a male character. Heck, Jason's female sidekick from the Morrison run (which I know we all pretend didn't happen) has exactly that sort of origin where she's brutally mutilated by Professor Pyg, though admittedly it's not well-written enough to give Sasha much of an inner life or goals let alone a proper revenge arc. I think Jason is supposed to have brainwashed her somehow within the five seconds of meeting her. But it's a very female character sort of narrative I see a lot.

Ah! yes, it was like two months ago, which does feel like forever though. I am still an ardent believer in this, I just have this issue that I stupidly believe if I've said something once, then that ought to be enough. (wdym I have to promote my point? I explained it so well though??)

The revenge trope often falls onto female characters! Male-characters are "inspired to prevent what happened to them to happen to others"(Batman) or "trying to make the world better"(Batman, again) and generally encompass the idea that you can grow and move beyond your trauma (oh, look, again what people pretend Batman is!)

Female characters suffer from this old idea, as already expressed by that bitch Kant, that they don't act moral/immoral, but they ARE moral or immoral. It's a neat little way of thinking that allows you to trust that "women won't ever learn" but at the same time dismiss any moral virtue a woman does possess! How useful.

Which is also the way people act around Jason, this weird have-it-all between wanting to punish him and teach him, but at the same time knowing he is a "lost cause". And boy is that a typically feminine experience.

I haven't read Morrisson either, bc yeah duh, but I do think it would make a lot of sense for Jason to team-up with female characters. I'm most interested in seeing Jason and Stephanie work together.. boy, would they have a bunch to talk about.

#jason todd #ask answered #sincere apologies for having allowed this one to fester in my askbox for so long. that's on me! #rambling #girl-coded jason todd #brought to you by yours truly again

[i-yap]

people i ship with the batboys + bruce

Dick grayson -

I want a non-hero, non-g ginger y/n ..so like basically not his type at all. Someone really smart in ONE subject..nothing like super high IQ has been coding hacking blah blah since he was 10 dick. A nurse or doctor or mental health professional. She is also really into helping people but in her own legal way. she is middle class and met dick as his detective persona not Nightwing persona. She is also mildy insecure of her looks and jealous which is what dick and y/n end up fighting most about. She is mostly quiet and introverted but great with polite mingling (for those galas) but she always gets super drained afterwards . she is super confident and passionate about that one subject and really wants to make a change the normal way ( not by becoming a crime fighting nighttime vigilante)

Jason todd

Bro is so broken that the most logical would be to give him an angel y/n but that's no fun. Artist y/n or singer y/n, someone who can really express their emotions through their art style( preferably very feminine or girly). Someone who really loves expressing themselves with hairstyles, clothes, etc. Someone fun, happy and at peace with their identity and self image. Great at hanging out with people but usually goes off on her own to do her own thing . HAS TRAUMA TOO but something more verbal or emotional and she successfully dealt with it. She is busy but will always cancel stuff for the people she loves or even cares about.

Tim drake

(i love him with conner) he is kind of tricky but like reckless y/n. they meet young. is in a shit situation (abusive household+ lots of responsibility maybe takes care of her younger siblings) super poor and hates the rich. smokes does drugs drinks and everything wrong but if you bring it up she will leave. closed off except with time. feels like the world is on her shoulders but just does small pleasures to waste it all away. small pleasures could be grocery store shopping or finding abandoned schools. Wants to become a big lawyer someday so she can get respect and help others get respect but she cant even attend a good high school or leave her household ( the siblings) . was sxually assalted . she is strong a little broken but tries everyday to be happy but just cant. so very protective of tim Awesome taste in music tbh

Bruce

he is so tough to write for

someone younger than him ( the age gap causes slight issues). smart girl , very bossy, and will force people to take care of themselves. no nonsense I will not stand if you come late to our date kind of girl. she is sweet good with people, a bit too mature for her age. rich family , indian, multiple siblings basically the big indian or Spanish family where everyone lives in big ass bungalows . Loves the beauty of gothic style but is very elegant and feminine herself. clasiccal dancer. Dissapointed her parents by becoming a teacher but then reclaimed her place by becoming big professor in big uni (during her being with bruce) . A choice comes to leave gotham or leave big uni choice, bruce retires and goes to small area which has her uni. Wants kids , loves kids . A little silly but not in a childish way. in a mom puns way

#bruce wayne x reader #jason todd x reader #dick grayson x reader #damian wayne x reader #tim drake x reader #batmom #batboys #batboys x reader #batboys x batmom #batfam x reader #bruce wayne fluff #batboys fluff #Tim Drake x Reader #Tim Drake x You #Tim Drake x Y/N #Tim Drake Fluff #Tim Drake Angst #Tim Drake Comfort #Tim Drake Headcanons #Tim Drake Imagines #Red Robin x Reader #Red Robin x You #Red Robin x Y/N #Batfamily #Batfamily x Reader #Batfamily Fluff #Batfamily x You #Batfamily x Y/N #Batfamily Headcanons #Batfamily Imagines

[saylorsaysstop]

All I can think about is (besides Bruce having Damian) Bruce, Dick, Jason, and Tim are all girl dad coded… like.

Imagine billionaire Bruce Wayne having a daughter? He doesn’t know what to do, but damn it. He’ll give her the world. Ponies? Buildings named after her? He is doing it. Oh and the media runs wild with it too.

Dick is over the MOON when he finds out he’s having a little girl. He’s obsessed before she’s even born and once she’s in the world, his overprotective nature skyrockets. He totally sits in for tea parties if she asks. Will punch anyone who threatens her.

Jason? Jason was scared shitless. But the moment he met his daughter, he was putty in her hands. Who would’ve thought a green eyed baby girl could bring the Red Hood to his knees? Who would’ve thought Jason Todd would be singing lullabies and patching up and kissing the booboos of stuffed animals when she asks? Bonus points for when his hair is full of glittery butterfly clips.

Tim, oh wow. Tim is a NATURAL when it comes to having a daughter. It’s like he came with a Girl Dad instruction manual. So knowledgeable that his brothers seek out his advice… especially Jason. Tim isn’t afraid to rock a diamond tiara and painted fingernails. Won’t ever question playing dolls. And you’ll never catch him saying no to his baby.

#jason todd #dick grayson #red hood #tim drake #Red Robin #Bruce Wayne #Batman #nightwing #jason todd x you #dick grayson x you #tim drake x you #Bruce Wayne x you #batman x reader #batboys

[jasontoddssuper]

This is Rhato!Jason to me.None of that hypermacho mess he got by D*xter S*y and whatever the fuck the webtoon version is doing to him,let him be a weird tboy with goth autism in peace

#also something something jaytemis is gwevin-coded #jason todd #kevin levin #robin #red hood #star sapphire jason #batfam #rhato #the outlaws #ben 10 #team 10 #trans jason todd #autistic jason todd #trans kevin levin #autistic kevin levin #💌 #autistic girl summer #letters from summer

[thy-valhallen]

Batfam by How Likely They Are to Break the No-Killing Rule

Jason Todd. obviously, this is his bit, the man is okay with murder so long as he perceives due cause, pew pew babygirl, rubber bullets still can kill you but now, Bruce can't yell at him if they die later

Barbara Gordon. you cannot tell me this woman isn't bloodthirsty. she follows the rules because she plays nice and respects the justice system (mostly), but i fully believe she can and will fly a drone with a mounted gun and snipe someone from six blocks away one day if the other Bats are busy, and she might not feel inclined to call an ambulance

Stephanie Brown. a Narrows girl, she knows how shit can happen, and if someone's after one of the Batfam, you better believe she's got a knife at the ready. Steph follows the rule well! for now. but look, if she's in mortal peril, she's not about to put her attacker's life above her own

Tim Drake. Tim is the true neutral here to me-- he follows the Code because of the effect it would have on Bruce and the rest of the family. he fully understands this and avoids it. ... there are no less than six different timelines in which he has pretty freely murdered people, and the jokes about him being the Most Likely to be a Supervillain jokes are based in something, guys. i feel like it would be more of a problem if he weren't so exhausted and busy 24/7-- so let's keep him very busy so he doesn't catch a charge

Damian al Ghul-Wayne. he's had a lot of growth from his days of being a child assassin and puts a lot of value on following their Code now-- but look me dead in the eyes and say he wouldn't kill for most of his family in a heartbeat. lie to me.

Dick Grayson. he and Damian are tied for me in how it's fairly situational and both would suffer tremendous emotional backlash for the action-- but Dick has a lot of rage and a lot of people who have hurt him and his loved ones. there's a tipping point, and he's reached it before. he blames himself for so much, if he ever got caught up in his own wrath and actually game-ended someone, I think the man would never wear a mask again

Duke Thomas. Duke may be under-credited for his absolutely feral behavior, but murder is definitively not on that list. he is so down to throw down, but Duke has never (to my knowledge) had a close call with murdering someone like many of the others in this family. putting this mostly on his powers giving him a leg-up there, but powers or not, no body count and never expect that to change for him

Bruce Wayne. the epitome of the No-Killing Code except for all those times he's nearly killed someone in intensely stressful situations. is strict about it because he knows how easy a line it is to cross and how it would devastate him emotionally and holds that standard. no killing is probably a kitschy poster in the Batcave at this point, Jason got it lovingly printed on a metal sign next to the Batcomputer

Cassandra Cain. has killed and will never kill again-- Bruce has close calls and has to be stopped, Cass has close calls and reins herself in. the blood on her hands is red enough without more-- she's an obsidian blade, sharp enough to cut molecules but so very fragile. one bad move would break her, and being the strongest in the family, it would be so very easy to make that move and it would be easy to live in fear of herself. but she doesn't-- there's shit to do and crime to be carefully nerve-pinched, after all

Bonus:

Alfred Pennyworth. i couldn't rank him with the others, do you know how this would look if I started the list with Alfred??? this is an ex-MI6 agent. this is a man who responds to home invasions of any threat level from "Burglar" to "Darkseid" with a sawed-off shotgun and fresh pair of gloves in his pocket for after he's disposed of the body. he's killed and will kill again, just step within range, kind sir, and you'll find out

#dc #batfam #batman #bruce wayne #dick grayson #nightwing #jason todd #red hood #barbara gordon #oracle #tim drake #red robin #stephanie brown #spoiler #cassandra cain #black bat #damian wayne #robin #duke thomas #signal #alfred pennyworth #look. i think people overlook a lot just how lethal these guys are when TRYING to be gentle #it is so much active effort to aim for nonvital points. to only strike with so much force #and some of them care about that force more than others