#batman theory

[not-a-conspiracyonist]

I think my bf is a supervillain in gotham city. I Jean it male sense:

He run away everitime the Bat are going to come

He's always covered in nasty scar and wounds and bandages and so on...

He have a beautuful physique that no normal civilian should have (you have no idea and you never will)

He's totally able to go around in a colorful suit during night time with no shame

One time he trip on the stairs, i think is going to hurt himself, but he just do a somersault and land on his fit as it was normal

He is to intelligent to be just a normal freak, he have to be a super one for sure

I will still love him even if he's a criminal.

#gotham #only in gotham #batfam #batman #robin #dc robin #red hood #batman theory #bernard #bernard dowd #not a conspiracyonist #gotham roleplay #tim drake #tim drake hc #tim drake is a criminal

[psychoblush]

riddler / batman parallel and the significance of ave maria

hi hi hi! was just rewatching the beginning of this movie - a very minute detail about the Riddler’s characterization that I noticed was the usage of ave maria. Obviously that scene in Arkham where the scrungly man is belting ave maria at the top of his lungs is hilarious and iconic, but it holds further significance than that.

it’s the song that riddler uses to embody vengeance, to fill himself with rage, and every time he invokes it, its anger that is in some way directed towards bruce.

take that first scene where he spies on the mayor’s kid! he’s psyching himself into the mindset to commit murder, and he puts on ave maria. this isn’t a coincidence and it isn’t just his favorite song - it’s the song he sang in the choir at the unveiling of the orphanage 20 years ago. ave maria is that auditory trigger for him, it’s the way he brings himself back to being a hurt and disappointed and spiteful 10 year old boy. just as Bruce imagines every street-level punk he fights to be the same mugger who killed his parents, riddler is invoking a sort of traumatic baggage when he listens to ave maria in anticipation of committing murder. He doesn’t want to get past his trauma, he wants to use it to fuel his vengeance, just like the batman.

it’s just really efficiently tight and poetic writing that everything riddler does is based on rage directed towards bruce wayne and his father. to him, renewal was about thomas wayne personally promising something to edward and then failing to deliver. as the joker says, it goes way back - it’s deeply, deeply personal for him.

and you see how fully formed the ideological underpinings of Riddler’s convictions are from the beginning. The first images we see in the movie are the same ones the Riddler sees - a father playing with a son. He knows full well he’s going to leave that child an orphan - but again, this is where his hatred for bruce comes in. He’s already done the mental calculus, that he’s not actually orphaning that kid - because real orphans don’t have expensive homes - plus he’s doing the mercy of leaving the wife alive.

Bruce is the one who actually sees (and feels, because he’s living it constantly) the pain and loss that Riddler has scarred the child with. It’s a beautiful parallel that lends humanity and empathy to both characters. And what’s more is that there’s a vicious type of tragedy there where Bruce and Edward are the ones who are probably most likely to understand each other if they simply looked past the elements of their personas that they despise - specifically Edward towards Bruce. Edward is wrong about Bruce, his notion that Bruce cannot feel pain because of his wealth is incorrect. and this notion of orphanhood and death takes over so much of the film. It doesn’t matter that the mayor was a horrible person - and maybe thomas wayne was a good person - we don’t know. at the end of the day, just like Bruce, and more like Edward than he realizes, that boy is going to be an orphan.

It’s the same reason that Bruce stops Selina from killing Falcone despite how justified it is. Because she is choosing to orphan herself all over again and she will never - ever - live that down, and it’s a feeling that Bruce is deeply acquainted with. The movie isn’t so much “murder is bad”, it’s never a full endorsement of Bruce’s ideology. It’s more that you will never escape the pain you cause by inflicting death on others, even if the anger and vengeance is righteous and well-directed.

what a beautiful movie!

#the batman #the batman 2022 #batman #batman meta #dc fan theory #dc comics #headcanon #batman headcanon #batman theory #the batman meta #meta #riddlebat #riddlebats #batcat #bruce wayne #batfamily

[briefmusicbouquet]

pt 3 of 5 on my rants on "why none of the robins should become batman after bruce"

tim edition

like when you look at it objectively, yeah he does seem like a pretty solid option, he's a good detective, he's got the fighting skills, and outside from robin and batgirl, he's the next closest vigilante associated with batman, and he understands a lot about batman and his philosophies

and granted, there is something interesting in the fact that he chose to become Robin/vigilante because he wanted to help his hero (the one that usually 'helps') and make sure his hero didn't become something that went against batman's ideas, but that's almost exactly what would make him a bad batman

because batman has a symbolic meaning that he understands, but i lowkey feel like he mainly sees it in the context of how batman works as a symbol for gotham and how that benefits gotahm

so being batman wouldn't have meaning for him because he has a connection to the mantle and genuinely believes in it's ideas, which granted he does believe in, but it would be overshadowed by him feeling like there is a need for batman and those ideas that bruce upheld to exist in gotham, and if nobody is going to do then, then it's his responsibility to do that

like i feel he would place more value on upholding that symbol of batman and staying true to the batman ideals that bruce already established, over what batman means for him personally and making batman his own, you know? which would just end up being a pale imitation of batman

#also keep in mind that this entire series is probably biased #because i have a love for morally grey characters and particularly enjoy morally grey tim drake #OH MY GOD I FORGOT TO MENTION #also a lot of his vigilante career has been him as other people's roles almost #like yeah he was robin and yeah he did make the mantle his own #but you know he goes to redd robin after that #but that name specifically also feels like a 'he wasn't quite ready to give up robin yet' thing instead of him stepping out of robin #and into his own vigilante identity #so him being batman #especially if he never did step out of the robin name completely #would mean he never really gets to have that identity that is wholely his you know #whereas if it was after he has his own identity #itd be like he was going backwards you know #either way it's not like it'd be a terrible terrible completely catastropic choice necassarily #but i feel like it wouldn't be quite as satisfying you know? #batman theory #batman #tim drake #red robin

[bruciemilf]

Thinking about an AU where Clark landed on earth as an adult instead of a baby. Literally nothing changes except for Bruce having to hide this 6’4, 200 pound golden retriever who shoots lasers out of his eyes in his mansion.

Clark is VERY clingy and these soft whispers in his language send tremors down Bruce’s spine.

And, really, the moon rocks Clark keeps bringing are very beautiful, but it’s getting harder to explain where they come from.

#superbat #superbattinson #how to train your kal au #bruce wayne #clark kent #doesn’t help that his boys look almost identical to this man so Vicki Vale comes up with the very clever theory that #Bruce is actually trans and had babies in secret. why ELSE would he go missing for an entire year???? #assigned trans by the Gotham gazette ig #dc comics #dc #alternative universe #batman

[im-totally-not-an-alien-2]

Breaking news! Vicky Vale leaks footage of Brucie Wayne following the new teenage rogue 'Phantom' around the city saying "Please let me adopt you 😭"

Phantom refuses and saying he's a supervillian not a lost puppy.

Turns out this was a part of Bruces plan however as Phantom now sees people all over tv talking about him and the Waynes and already considering him a new member of the family. They're even asking when there will be a face reveal. There was a reason he was wearing a mask! He. Is.. A. Villian. What about that do these people not get?!

Sure he doesn't kill people. Or hurt people at all really. Or steal from small family owned businesses. Or...yeah ok. Just because you're a bad guy doesn't mean you have to be a bad guy, ya know? Apparently Gotham doesn't.

Cause they insist hes just a very confused hero

#dp x dc #fanfiction prompts #prompts #danny phantom #danny fenton #batman #bruce is basically going psspss at danny like a cat in this #the funniest theory is that Phantom is Red Robin who had a fight with the other bats and is going rogue but doesnt want anyone else tangled #in thier bat drama #i should be sleeping rn #bonus points if it was bernard who came up with that theory

[ky-landfill]

#big pants little pants theory #batfam #duke thomas #jason todd #stephanie brown #dick grayson #cassandra cain #tim drake #batman #tim 🧿🧿

[bbbbbbbbatman]

you know that post that's like the best way to deal with conspiracy theorists is to suggest an even wilder conspiracy (ex. "did you know the moon landing was faked?" "you believe in the moon?")?

well that but with tim and bernard. every time bernard gets a little too close to the bat secret, tim suggests something insane and then goes to great lengths to find (or occasionally manufacture) evidence for his stupid theory.

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bernard: okay hear me out, what if the second robin came back to life and is now red hood

tim: okay but what if red hood is actually joker from a different dimension where he didn't go mad and his life of crime escalated?

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bernard: i think the youngest robin might actually be blood-related to batman

tim: maybe the youngest robin is a literal demon that batman summoned and bound to him

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sometimes he goes a little too deep down the rabbit hole and manages to convince himself of his theories. And, on one notable occasion, one of theories actually turned out to be true and helped solve a case.

#family dinners at wayne manor are interesting #to say the least #bernard says something batshit that tim fed him #and the entire family just looks at him like /wtf/ #while tim looks away awkwardly #some of the bats want to correct his theories so badly but know its a good cover #and some of the bats just pile on the bs and make it worse #timber #tim drake #bernard dowd #batman #dc #dc comics #mine

[incorrectbatfam]

[finding a lost dog]

Jon: I think he looks like someone’s pet. Maybe we should put up posters.

Damian: Yeah, it should have a big picture of him and the words "Is this your dog? Not anymore."

#source: the big bang theory #damian wayne #robin #jon kent #superboy #super sons #superfamily #superman #batman #batfamily #batfam #batboys #batbros #batkids #batsiblings #batman family #incorrect batfamily quotes #incorrect quotes #incorrect dc quotes #dc comics

[deadsetobsessions]

Court of Owls! Danny Phantom

A couple of possible scenarios:

- Danny helped found Gotham, but had to leave due to his ghostly duties or whatever. He comes back and boom, membership to an exclusive murder cult moon lighting as Gotham’s fucked up zombie version of the Illuminati. Bonus points if Danny was also somehow involved with the literal Illuminati. He’s so confused but there’s like a bunch undead ducklings following him.

- Danny somehow got adopted by a member and accidentally initiated a hostile takeover. He has no idea what’s going on but the Owls give him the creeps. Bonus points if Dani figures it out and infiltrates the Talons or something.

- the above but Danny 100% knows what’s happening and the hostile takeover was intentional.

- bonus points for both of the above if Danny just says “hoot hoot” to piss people off lol

- Danny goes evil. Enough said.

- Danny isn’t evil, but he’s bored and he might as well join a secret society for the shits and giggles. Bonus points if he makes friends with Bernard and Tim and just conspiracy the shit out of the Court of Owls. He provides Benard and Tim with some really specific and accurate details and Tim’s like “what to do if my best friend is a part of an evil secret society?” And the answer is either join him or help him take it down from the inside.

#dcxdp #dc x dp crossover #dc x dp prompt #Danny Phantom #batman #bruce wayne #tim drake #Benard Dowd #Court of Owls #conspiracy theories #Gotham #Gotham’s resident ghost #Gotham’s cult problems #Gotham’s Danny problem

[gothamundernightlight]

Incorrect Batfam Quotes

*Dick is drunk and uncooperative

Dick: I have a secret.

Jason: What secret?

Dick: I wouldn’t tell you the secret! Shhh!

Jason: What secret? Tell me the secret!

Dick: Alfred smokes in the car. Jesus is okay with it, but we can’t tell Bruce!

Jason: Not that secret, the other secret!

Dick: I’m Batman!

Jason: Oh my god, you aren’t!

Dick: I WAS!!!

#incorrect batfamily quotes #incorrect dc quotes #incorrect quotes #incorrect justice league quotes #batman #batman & robin #robin #dc comics #justice league #batfamily #dick grayson #nightwing #nightwing and red hood #red hood #jason todd #source: the big bang theory #batbros #batkids #batfam #dc universe #comics

[not-a-conspiracyonist]

Batman theorys 3

It may sound crazy, but what if batman kill jason todd?

Nowaday everyone know that Batman and Bruce Wayne are competing in who adopt mor child, so what if when the 2 Robin died Batman just kill one of Bruce child to not loose the competition between the two of them?

#gotham #only in gotham #batfam #batman #robin #dc robin #red hood #batman theory #bernard #bernard dowd #jason todd #batman kill todd

[phoenixcatch7]

Wayne doll house: demon children.

Idea: each of the batkids is theorised to have a different origin.

Thing is, there's so many of them. The oldest is actually the youngest in body. It seems to be able to share memories with those who follow. It changes design right before a new bat appears.

The hero in the town over is definitely one of them, but what's it doing over there?? Asking just gets non-answers.

What happened to the ones that the Joker tried to destroy? One - the oldest and smallest - came back, but different, whereas the other - the purple and orange one - came back for a while and then vanished again for good.

None of them seem to age??

The first, smallest, oldest, it seemed to be some sort of circus performer? It gave its acrobatics to the blue one when it arrived, grew clever and defensive. It gave that to the skull headed red one, focused on technology and detective work after the Incident. Then again, and again, and one time even the bat changed along with it, but though the bat returned to normal the little Robin didn't, and now it's just as stabby and creative as it is small and creepy.

It's a good sort of creepy now, after over a decade of beating up bad guys and comforting victims, Gotham has gotten used to it, but outsiders don't much like it.

The justice league have a different opinion.

They know, or at least can observe, that the... Souls? Brains? Programs? Switch around, that it's not memories but persons that bring the new bats to life.

They just don't know where batman gets them. The new one, especially, is very circumspect.

For all this talk of the blood son, all the bats calling it demon child with varying levels of fondness, the way batman doesn't deny the claims...

Thing is the bat doesn't have blood. Everyone's well aware of this by now. Whatever sulpheric black tar he and the bats leak probably-certainly isn't blood, or at least... Not anything with dna.

So... What blood?? If not the bat's, why does it tie the newest mind of Robin to him?

Captain marvel is the first to think of an idea.

A blood child of a demon for a blood ritual for a demon.

Constantine and Zatanna second the notion - it's perfectly possible. Reasonable, even. The bat admitted himself he had no way to procreate the way humans did, nor any interest in doing so. Wanting a legacy was perfectly normal.

Except he already had, what, seven, eight, nine kids? He loved all of them, it was clear, and he'd always seemed happy with them. He'd even sighed over how many he had, had rebuffed the teasing about getting more. The new Robin mind had been a surprise to everyone, and the old one in a new body had been a little salty about it.

So the new theory was that batman hadn't decided to get a new Robin. Maybe the old mind had been ejected unwillingly! It had happened at roughly the same time batman had gotten a new personality - maybe the incidents were related?

But if batman hadn't done the ritual... Who had?

Who would do something like that???

Cultists. Cultists would do something like that. But giving the bat a son unwillingly seemed... A very odd goal, even for that type.

So... Had they messed up? Had they tried to summon the bat with a blood sacrifice ritual, and summoned a demon instead? Had it partially worked? Was the bat susceptible to demon summonings?? Did the summoning damage his own mind/consciousness/soul in some way, and that led to the creation of the new demon child while the bat changed until he'd healed????

How kind of batman to take it in!

Tldr; the league thinks Robin V is a demon born/created through a failed summoning ritual involving blood sacrifice that made batman like puns until he healed. The truth is the canon events of Damian arriving at the manor only for b to get tossed into the time stream, becoming the Robin to nightwing-batman while Tim, who is much less annoyed about it than canon, focuses on getting him back. Lmao.

#Batman overhearing this absolute conspiracy of a theory: *head in his hands* #Nightwing: *struggling to stay upright through his laughter* how are they so close and yet SO VERY FAR #Damian: father. I have decided on a new origin story. I wish to tweak it to include the league of assassins however. #Batman: I can't believe I'm saying this but please just keep using the pun about wood. #One theory considered and rejected is that Alfred created Damian #However Alfred absolutely would not have done it without B knowing and approving lol #batman #possessed doll au #bruce wayne #damian wayne #Dc Robin v #cryptid batman #cryptid batfam

[briefmusicbouquet]

okay so i've finished my ramblings on why none the robins should be batman after bruce

and i would like to be positive after saying reasons why not, so

here's who i do think would be a solid replacement for bruce in the batman cowl:

cassandra wayne or terry mcginnis (i'm leaning more towards terry)

cass would be a great batman, yes, and normally i would be all for her taking up the mantle after bruce

but i also love the relationship she has with barbara, so i'm really torn between her being batgirl or batman

which is why i'm leaning more towards terry as the main sucessor

one: there's already a precedent for animated dc characters becoming canon in the comics (harley quinn) so that wouldn't be an issue

two: because of the premise of batman: beyond, that terry mcginnis was created with the purpose of becoming the new batman, his origin, characterization, and character development fit becoming batman and taking on the batman mantle and making it his own while still carrying on the batman legacy

and three: he has no prior connection to batman, and i feel like those prior connections ended up being a big reason why things get complicated with the robins and what it means if they take up the batman mantle, so i feel like his lack of history with batmanends up being a benefit

#maybe cass is batman and then later terry cause his run as batman isn't until way later in the future #or maybe the batman mantle dies when bruce retires #batman theory #batman #terry mcginnis #batman: beyond #cassandra cain #cassandra wayne #my ramblings #okay so yeah terry does have a prior connection to bruce #with the whole he's bruce's bio son thing #but both of them were unaware of that and didn't find out until terry already was batman #so it's not the same as the robins and other characters

[dcmeme]

Citizen: I was listening to a podcast on the Wayne’s-

Citizen 2: Oh god not this again-

Citizen 1: This isn’t a conspiracy theory.

Citizen 3: Last time you talked about the Wayne’s it involved Bruce Wayne being Batman because their A$$ Cheeks ‘match’

Citizen 2: The time before that it was he time traveled to kill his own parents.

Citizen 4: And the time before that you claimed his dead son got resurrected-

Citizen 1: THERE WAS SOME TRUTH TO THAT!

Citizen 4: He was in witness protection!

Citizen 2: Ok that one was shady tho.

Citizen 1: THANK YOU!- Anyways… Bruce Wayne lives in Batman’s attic-

Citizen 3: You’re the reason I do drugs.

#dc comics #dc robin #dcu #batfam #batfamily #batman #bruce wayne #dc universe #jason todd #red hood #wayne manor #conspriacy theories #citizens of gotham

[nenehyuuchiha]

FOR REAL

#they gave those two some civilian boring twinks even though they had a bromance going on with other characters #cough cough timkon #ghostmaker #batman #johnathan kent #jon kent #Superboy #tim drake #red robin #fuck if I know the twinks names #Bernard something something and pink haired guy #i like fanfic where Bernard does shit crazy theories #but I will probably never ship him and tim #bruce Wayne #ghostbat #minhkhoa khan

[batfambyval]

okay. So.

Serious Red Robin theory coming.

Tim wasn’t put in the Lazarus Pit. But. That doesn’t mean they didn’t use it on him. The pit’s healing properties have been shown to work in small portions. Like, the healing is proportional to the amount of lw used.

The cave with the pit isn’t exactly a sterile environment. So either the pit was needed or it was an attempt to put Tim off balance, a psychological weapon. Though the White Ghost’s reaction to the assumption seems to dispute that. If the pit’s healing is proportional to the amount used it makes sense that the psychological effects are to, along with the duration of those side effects.

Ra’s had serious reasons to use the pit on Tim, between the additional room for emotional manipulation and Tim’s life threatening injury which wasn’t immediately treated and was in fact exacerbated like, a lot… yeah. Tim lost a lot of blood. He lost was stabbed in the organ that filters blood: meaning all your blood passes through your spleen. He was bleeding out, he should have died, he dragged himself and another person to a car, drove said car back to the city, and got them both up to the penthouse. Recovering from that would take a long time, he shouldn’t have survived at all. But he healed quickly and well, it isn’t an issue, it happened and it was over. I know we as a fandom like to have fun with Tim’s missing spleen and what that means but… canon didn’t and looking back I feel like there was a lot pointing at the pit being used in a much more insidious was, not just in the logistics of Tim’s recovery.

Ra’s was insanely trusting of Tim. Not just in his ability to do what he wanted but in his belief that Tim would ultimately come around to his way of thinking. Now, I can obviously see that Tim was in a very vulnerable position and if Bruce hadn’t actually been alive Ra’s could definitely have succeeded. But it feels like more than that, especially with Tim’s ensuing behavior. A lot of his time with the league is glossed over or seen from Tam’s perspective, but Tim was acting different. It’s easy to attribute this to the objectively terrible situation and the year he’s had, but his behavior isn’t the same as it was at the beginning of the run either. And the difference in behavior fades. As Red Robin Tim is more ruthless and pragmatic, mostly due to necessity. Even stealing from a museum and fighting for it makes him incredibly uncomfortable. He still did it. But he was still acting like Tim, making jokes and doing his best to diffuse the situation and keep everyone alive. After the surgery his focus gets even more single minded. He barely puts up a fight about leading the league. Of course partly for Tam, and he tried to keep killing to a minimum but cmon. He was leading the league of ASSASSINS. There were assassinations happening. People died when he blew all the league bases and he barely registered that beyond thinking that the council of spiders probably made it out, implying part of him knew death was a possibility and he didn’t care. But he didn’t think about the moral implications of that in a way that was very reminiscent of Jason’s selective morality. If he had stopped to think about it he wouldn’t have done it, but he was focused to much on beating Ra’s, on not compromising, that the complexity of the situation didn’t sink in. The obvious effects of his actions, the possible deaths and injuries of anyone inside a league stronghold wasn’t acknowledged while the underlying message sent to his opponent was the only thing he could think about. Just like when Jason attacked Tim at Titans Tower to send a message to Bruce despite his hardline stance against hurting kids.

So. The League did use the pit on Tim, just a little. Maybe two tablespoons in the wound to accelerate recovery and weaken his morals a bit. It would certainly make a lot of sense. And the writer did change when Tim came back to Gotham so it’s entirely possible that it was meant to be touched on later but was discarded.

#tim drake #red robin #batfam #batfamily #dc #batman #tim drake wayne #theory #headcanon #ra’s al ghul #lazurus pit #jason todd #tim drake's missing spleen #explanation #unhinged tim drake #he literally killed so many people #uncomfortable thought: what about the league’s prisoners? #servants? #this has been floating around my head since I read RR #seriously it explains so much #i love tim being a bit nuts but he really went off the deep end #and came back so fast no one noticed #none of the fam saw #and tam didn’t know enough to question it #plus trauma #but yeah #analysis