#also i want to acknowledge that even being a fan of Logan he's not the same as oscar who “gonna become future WDC” so just fyi

[imerian]

Here goes little essay about everything going on with Logan bc i have a lot of thoughts that I want to organise a bit .

I'm not sure where i want to start bc there so much to this whole situation with Logan and Williams but I'll firstly discuss today's fp1.

I hate what media portraying Williams got, yes they fucked up and critique is fair but there much more than just critique online. I tend to believe that the gave logan repaired chassis not bc they disrespect him but bc his car is tuned to alex and tune new one to him is faster than redoing both of them. It may give him some disadvantages that it's too bad. The part that I'm really sad about is that Williams didn't clarify any of this and we never gonna know for sure. It all doesn't exclude possibility of this just being decision but somehow i find it unlikely.

Another part that i have a lot of emotions about is today's crash, i hate it and people's responses so bad bc firstly we never gonna know is it car or logan bc once again we can't be sure with how Williams talked about it, but even if it was logan i can hardly blame him bc amount of pressure on him js insane.

He wasn't ready for f1 when he was brought into it, everyone already said that. Plus he constantly compared to oscar which isn't fair, you can look at their cars for example (bc in this sport they matter a lot, fact that somehow a lot of people forget) or where their teams are. I remember how in f3 oscar told that he was excited to fight with Logan and that shows for me that logan can do better it's just his circumstances that are unfortunate. He's season in f2 also was really good, he obviously couldn't get first place with domination of filippe but he still did his best.

Another thing about f2 is how much pressure he had there because Williams announced him as their f1 driver even before season finished and it put Logan on a spot bc he could actually become that driver only if he finishes in top three. And he did!!

But you can see how than, in his first f1 season and eveb now amount of pressure doesn't go down, he constantly needs to prove himself or he'll get kicked out of sport, same sport that his family sacrificed all for him to get in.

I absolutely don't understand his haters, especially those that compare him to alex at least because comparing them is stupid with this big of experience gap. Same discourse i see about lando and oscar which is also stupid because at the moment lando is objectively better at least because of his experience, and oscar doesn't need to be better than him, he needs to learn and get that experience himself for any comperasing to make sense.

Big problem with Logan is that he can't get that experience to grow as a driver, even alex said that it isn't stange that he crashes that much in his first season bc Williams car is hard to work with. It was Alex that said that, same person that car was made for so i think it's pretty good evidence. Also that was ghe reason why u was very excited to see Logan this year because he would finally have car that made for him as much as it was made for alex. And then the season started :)

In first two races he couldn't prove himself in any way bc of the reasons that wasn't in his control and what happened in Australia is just horrible for him as a driver. But i really hope that his patience will help him to hold his seat for the next year. As much as it sucks right now if him helping the team can improve his chances for the seat next year than it matters most, bc even of he has shit year he could have another one to prove himself ( which i think will absolutely happen at one point or another of his career if it continues)

In the end i want to add that i believe that James have good intentions bc even knowing how negative internet going to be he made that decision in Australia for the team. As logan fan i was very sad about it but i hope that with same good intentions for team he will keep logan that already shows how supportive he is to the team and with their growth it's probably exactly who they need at the moment

#logan sargeant #williams racing #williams f1 #oscar piastri #also i want to acknowledge that even being a fan of Logan he's not the same as oscar who “gonna become future WDC” so just fyi #alex albon #also it actually was so bad when Logan said that it was hardest race weekend in his career in Australia after Qatar 2023 #pls can my dude just catch a break #and some points #also i loosely quoted Alex and oscar I can't actually remember where exactly they said that but if anyone needs it I'll find sources #i just have too much info in my head #if anyone have anything to add or discuss I'll be happy to see it

[sebastianthemadlad]

I found this in a persons bio (I'll not be mentioning names please don't try find and harass this person)

I understand not wanting racists, nazis, ableists, sexists, homophobes, transphobes, etc not interact (and of course minors if your account is not child friendly) BUT BRO-

You cant tell someone not to interact with you just because they like a certain media (unless of course the media is something like the movie cuties but I'm about 90% sure that movie doesn't have a fandom other than sneako so-)

The thing thats funniest about this is "dni if your a south park fan" I'm not even a massive fan of south park I've only seen like 7 episodes, but assuming this person doesn't like south park because its offensive... THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE SHOW, TO SHOW OFFENSIVE AND SHOCKING STUFF

Also I KIND OF understand why killing stalking is a dni, because despite the story putting stalking, kidnapping and abuse in a negative light there are of course many gross fujoshis in that fandom who are just like "OH MY GOD THIS IS SO HOOOOTTTT 😍😍😍😍" but that obviously doesn't mean all killing stalking fans are like that

As for helluva boss/hazbin hotel, I SORT OF understand. I myself am a fan of the shows, but I'm not one to defend it to my very last breath like some people are. I do admit there are problems in both shows, like there are a lot of SA jokes in Helluva (particularly with Moxxie, for example in episode 3 where he was assaulted by Verosika and her succubus friends and it was played off as a joke) and in both shows there are a lot of emphasis on gay male relationships which can be seen as fetishy as times, but as a gay man who was SA'd I still enjoy both shows while acknowledging the fact they have problems

What did Markiplier do? The only controversy I remember him being in was when he played a video game that shows real gore (and I don't think he knew it was actual gore) I understand PewDiePie because he's been in a bit of controversy, I'm not sure about Jacksepticeye I don't really watch him

I'm surprised they didn't put Logan Paul or Onision-

Also transandrophobia/transmisandry truthers? I feel like trans men have the right to express their specific issues like trans women are with transmisogyny

All in all, if you can't handle people liking certain media or having different non hateful opinions interacting with your posts, you probably shouldn't be on the internet

Again, no hate to this person, please don't try to find and attack them, this is just me ranting about crap

#rant #funny #dni #cringe #bio #cringe bio #south park #helluva boss #hazbin hotel #killing stalking #markiplier #idk lmao #trans #transgender #trans male #trans man #trans guy #transandrophobia #transandrophobia is real

[inchidentally]

'what if the competition between Lando and Oscar turns bad?' between my landoscar post and comments on other SM content it made me want to get weird in notepad again

I'm tagging @481boxboxbaby and @twinkodium who've asked but I'm sorry if someone's asked to be tagged and I missed it! also tagging @huntscunt who's tags put this idea in my little head

(caveat that I'm a casual fan who happens to have been around F1 fans all my life so this is just my not remotely official perspective lol)

just to state I think it's a given that we're all so excited for McLaren's future with these two is that Lando and Oscar feel like generational talents. and they're also very different as drivers and every race is exciting to watch even just for them. also the fact that Oscar was the jolt of competition that Lando needed.

and honestly I'd be more worried about their future harmony if they hadn't already had so many highly competitive and charged moments in their first season together:

Oscar came in at a surprisingly even level with Lando apart from the obvious difference in experience. he's taken risks that have on balance landed decently on the side of ballsy/respectable vs total failure and the time spent as reserve driver hadn't deteriorated any of his ability. so it was fair to worry for a while if Lando would take the competition as motivation or frustration esp after the disparity between him and DR in 2022.

I really liked the sort of respectful if tentative camaraderie Oscar and Lando showed each other when the car was an absolute tractor. but I liked it even more the fact that the turnaround at McLaren by Silverstone saw them both still in such a good place while being very competitive. that was I think the start of us seeing that Oscar wanted to prove himself a real team player and good teammate by starting the habit of showing up consistently for Lando's podiums/qualis.

the pit lane ding-dong in Monza was definitely the biggest test they've had - and that a lot of teammates will ever have - and the whole thing was handled really well all around. Andrea did the right thing of being big bad boss and Lando was quick to say that it was prob down to misjudgement (which is what I always thought) and that they still respect each other the same. I wasn't as active then so I can't remember if Oscar was asked for a response but I do remember my friends/family telling me that it was impressive how that didn't cause any major damage between the drivers since that's a pretty major incident to happen so early in a new partnership.

side note here to say that the ppl around me who've been watching F1 since the 90s overall feel like the hothead in-fighting with teammates seems to be fading/getting less intense with the younger generations. maybe it's because alpha male mentality seems cringe to gen z or because awareness of mental health is way more prevalent. Gasly and Ocon are relatively young drivers but even there the situation is pretty rare and because of hanging onto childhood grudges. I don't get the impression that any of the people around me feel like the Norris/Piastri partnership is likely to blow up or generate bitterness just because they're competing so closely ??

it's fair to say that Oscar has seemed genuinely happy to acknowledge that Lando is the McLaren brand representative and the established fan favorite within the sport as well as the team's fanbase. he's extremely mature for his years and incredibly well-balanced in terms of ambition. he's almost tailor made as a perfect compliment to Lando. EDITED TO ADD: see Oscar's almost lifelong friendship with Logan Sargeant as an example of Oscar having duked it out on track with someone for years while remaining close friends the whole time. and this was Oscar interrupting his own victory radio message to say how awfully he felt for Logan crashing out early. and that this is what Oscar felt about his and Lando's partnership toward the end of the season.

EDITED TO ADD:

Silverstone is a perfect encapsulation of how Lando has felt about Oscar from the very start and this was so beautiful to say.

Lando has measured himself by Lewis Hamilton-level goals since karting. Oscar wants to qualify well and win races. Lando was brought into F1 extremely young coming off of huge expectations and has placed enormous pressure on himself since as early as his second year in F1. Oscar has taken a business-like approach to his career since he was 14 and his calm sense of focus and determination comes from focusing on the race ahead and not letting much else in.

Lando's emotions being driven by his superstar destiny/status and Oscar's ability to have calm perspective even during a race is as solid a foundation as you can get in an F1 partnership honestly. they'll absolutely have the same conflicts that all teammates do and the media and DTS will explode those out of all proportion (both of which I ignore anyway). but I really can't see Oscar suddenly flying off the handle or holding grudges and I can't see Lando becoming a driver who suddenly wants to sustain a bad relationship with his teammate after all these years. Oscar is very clearly not the type to develop a crazy ego and Lando genuinely has more of an insane high self-expectation complex than that big of an ego.

even setting aside the parasocial widely felt agreement that they seem to genuinely like and respect each other, neither of them are alpha types and they're not both superstars jostling for publicity and they didn't come up together with a ton of existing history. idk it's just not on the F1 cards that they become icy or resentful.

so while I know no one can see the future and they're both relatively young and could change I don't really feel apprehensive?? and it's way too early to know if either of them will split from McLaren or when. especially if the car stays competitive with RB and Merc then it's the best place for both of them for the foreseeable (and prob most likely since competitive openings elsewhere look to be scant for the next 5ish? years but pls correct me if that's wrong!).

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side side side note: I personally would not want to see Lando at RB. I know he's itching to try that car but unless RB and Max change drastically before then, Lando would positively shrivel up there. he's a superstar and he needs to be someplace he can be a superstar. it's also why I'm glad Carlos and Daniel moved along bc that's why those friendships are still so strong. we saw what had begun to happen when Lando was eclipsing Daniel and I don't even want to think about Carlos and his family if Carlos was teammates with a dominant Lando.

#mine

[intrulogical]

Hi! I was looking through your various meta posts and I noticed a small thing you posted about possibly writing a meta on Patton's perception of mortality through his catholic lens, and it made me think about how I've noticed a lot of people(myself included) who are more fond of sides like Remus, Logan and Janus, tend to sympathize less with characters like Patton, while also understanding the purpose he serves(I'm not sure if my point makes sense but I am REALLY excited to explain this stuff). I've always, in particular, found the way the other sides(ESPECIALLY Remus) might view Patton due to this strict moral compass Patton took on, even if he's actively trying to remedy it now due to Janus' intervention. It's especially interester me since Roman valued Patton's opinion of him so highly(considering Roman's views up until this point were, at least to a degree, reliant on Patton's perceptions of selflessness), and I always wondered if it would make sense for Remus to have an opinion(or two... or five... or a million-) on that.

this is actually a good talking point! thank you for sending this in :D

dark sides + logan fans being critical of patton is honestly such a phenomenon. i definitely want to preface i don't wanna generalize fans' stances, but i've literally witnessed this thing happened in Real Time. i think it has something to do with lntao? because logan was incredibly villainized by the fandom during that time. the fandom's doing better now, but it really did struggle with the concept of Nuanced Characters back in 2019-2020, which i think brought upon the "logan + dark sides fans hates patton" schtick.

but like you said, i and a lot of other fans do understand why patton is the way that he is. he's such an interesting character because he has such a Grasp on thomas that no other sides have. i want to emphasize i do NOT intend of villainizing patton by saying he has a lot of power, moreso it's quite evident that this season's conflict focuses on how thomas' decision-making is more emotion-centric than it is thought-centric.

even the fact that patton represents morality is big on its own, because black-and-white thinking literally shapes how the sides are visualized. i don't mean it like, his sides are created vis-a-vis black-and-white thinking, moreso the reason why the sides are separated is because thomas upholds this type of thinking. virgil, roman, and thomas look up to patton as a guiding figure, which gives him a lot of power/influence. @orbmanson7 can probs explain it better than i do lol

but if you're asking me if remus would have something to say? YES. of course he would. the entirety of dwit confirms he has a gripe with how thomas is being so "demure" and "safe". remus and janus have always wanted to override thomas' black-and-white thinking, so they obviously have something to say to patton. hell, the reason they are suppressed is because of patton. i'm too dumb to explain it now but always return back to how patton is seen to be the final decider in a dark sides' "acceptance". him w janus is apparent enough, but in dwit we literally see him have to "give permission" to thomas to think icky thoughts.

i'm not saying patton is conceited btw. this shit always boils down to, think of sasi as a metaphor for how our brains work and it makes sense why the moral side is still iffy about accepting things he once pushed away and labeled as evil. and also istg pls no one accuse me of villainizing patton bc i acknowledge he's literally doing all this unintentionally. his arc is definitely gonna end w him being more open to changing his moral views, but yeah patton is a fascinating character to me and one of the best encapsulations of catholic-influenced morality

#asks #my analysis

[zainmalik]

Hey Logan,

There are at least 10 to 15 rainbows and some even more prominent than others especially with the one front and center. I definitely agree with you on the it was a price to pay, he had to act like a dick, hopefully for maybe a final time, to be able to showcase this much rainbow support. Is it ok, no but with how many times he has had to pay this price for either himself or Harry during 1d it's not a surprise now seeing this. I think we are moving forward however. 🌈🌈🌈🌈

Also good luck with the work you need to get done, education stuff isn't always fun but I've been there, so I get it.

You can do this!!!!

thank you for the motivation!!! i appreciate it a lot. it can be difficult but education is something i’m passionate about so i’m gonna do my best to accomplish my dream

i’m still mad about him being rude, i think it was unnecessary, but in my personal opinion it was damage control for today’s video. it all lines out. he says he’s gonna chat to us, he does and drops those alfredo mentions + the larry shit, next day we have video of him acknowledging the rainbow lights for the first time. there it is, there is a price to pay in an industry that’s so horrible and corrupted. it doesn’t excuse his rudeness but it makes you think about the shit they have to do to keep the closet

will it be the last time? i don’t know. i don’t want to worry about the future. i do believe we’ve made progress. after all, he didn’t shit on his queer fans nor did he say he’s not queer. it may be the bare minimum and the bar is in hell but i can’t help but be positive (there’s some exceptions, like when it gets too much). we’ll see what happens. i’ll stay here and be a fan

#i’m sorry if this doesn’t make much sense. i’m still coming down from the edibles #ask #answered

[yaz-the-spaz]

“pAYNt” “zAYN” not Payne lol Also I guess Ziams are gonna pretend Liam’s interview with Logan Paul doesn’t exist. Nothing about what he says indicates they’re a couple and if they are it’s not a healthy relationships. Why would Liam speak about not being able to reach out tonhis supposed partner

look feel free to believe that, no one's stopping you (just like no one's stopping me from believing what I believe) just as long as you're also willing to acknowledge that that same merch:

had L's all over it - a pretty interesting coincidence/choice given all the possible letters he could've chosen out of the entire alphabet, including the one his own name starts with which would've made a hell of a lot more sense too if paynt really was just zayn+paint

had colors highly associated with zayn & liam - band colors which zayn clearly still associates himself to or he wouldn't have named his album yellow metal, not to mention the fact that after watching this fandom for almost 12 damn years I'm pretty sure he's very aware of the fact that ziam fans often post yellow and red hearts to signify them and you would think if he didn't wanna fuel rumors he would've picked literally any other combination of colors out of the rainbow. and yet.

sectioned off the words in the block/square t-shirt design so that the 'payn' part stood alone - lol does this honestly even need further explanation like ??

was released exclusively during pride month of all months which should be a MAJOR 👀 👀👀 to anyone in the queer community (esp given the rampant rumors about zayn's sexuality) - and again needs no further explanation imo

immediately followed all this up days later by wearing the merch, again full of liam connections, while performing a snippet of a song he famously dueted with liam on, that liam also literally has a line from permanently tattooed on his body - again, he's watched the fandom for 12 years you think he hasn't seen ppl toting this song as a ziam anthem? or that he didn't see any of the comments about the merch? you truly think he has zero awareness of how this all looks together? you really think the song choice means absolutely nothing to either of them when liam got a line from it permanently inked into into his skin and zayn even put a refrain of it in one of his own songs on icarus falls? when they literally dueted/harmonized on it live almost every night for like two years? when liam cried the first time they had to perform it without zayn? all the possible songs zayn could've chosen to show off his famous high notes and he choses the one with THE MOST ziam history right smack in the middle of the entire internet dragging liam to hell and i'm supposed to believe that means absolutely nothing?? nah fam.

(I'm not even gonna get into the fact that liam was drunk and looked super uncomfortable or that that asshat, l0g4n p@ul, would do literally anything for clicks or that liam's team let liam - someone with a known drinking problem - continue to drink during the interview just to get through it cause all that's been hashed and re-hashed and should be a MAJOR red flag that something's not right to anyone paying an iota of attention)

go on believing it has nothing to do with liam if you want, but that's a hell of a lot of overlapping coincidences to really just be all coincidences in my book. once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. and this is wayyyyy more than three times, especially when you consider all the other big weirdly suspicious things they've been caught doing that link to each other

i mean if these are really all coincidences and they truly hate each other and don't talk or have any kind of connection/relationship with each other then i guess it's also just another big ol' coincidence that...

they both seem to really, really love the number 25 for some odd reason

or that they both seem weirdly dedicated to maintaining eyebrow slits even 10 whole years after they first started the trend between each other in 2012, despite the fact that they supposedly don't even talk anymore

2012

vs.

2015-2022 (and these are just a few of them btw, there's so many more)

or that the "e" in zayn's liam m.o.m. tattoo just so happens to double as an "a" in a way that makes it look suspiciously like it spells out liam

or that zayn just so happened to get an exact replica of the album artwork from liam's first single tattooed on his hand

[putting the rest under the cut cause this got wayyyy long]

or that liam just so happened to get/debut the 4 tattoo on his RING finger (RING!!) within days after pillowtalk was released and originally stylized as "PiLlOwT4lK" with a 4

or that neither the boys nor their families or friends/colleagues seem to be able to stop further fueling rumors by continuously interacting with, liking, and reposting from ziams:

x, x, x, x, x, x

...seriously there are soooo many instances of this and this is just the tip of the iceberg (i unfortunately reached my pic limit for this post but if i included even just a fraction of them this post would be 5 thousand miles long). honestly, if they all think we're just delusional crazies & weirdos why would they keep interacting with us and our posts? even when they're not even tagged (meaning they likely went looking for them)? and especially when so many of these posts are blatantly romantic/sexual and/or outright disrespectful to the women they're supposedly actually dating? (if you don't care to click i'll just go ahead and tell you that most of these literally have hashtags like #ziamisreal or #zerrieisfake/#zigiisfake, etc. plain as day and/or talk about ziam being queer/gay, coming out, and/or are edits of them literally in a very sexual or romantic pose with each other, i.e. things that cannot be interpreted any other way other than that they're queer as hell, their public relationships are fake as hell, and their families know it - i may reblog this with more pics later though for posterity if i have the time)

let's also not forget that twice now liam has spoken as if he's already married despite very much not being married (publicly anyway) and that zayn got a marriage poem tattoed despite also not being married and even being publicly single at the time - x, x, x

and don't even get me started on the damn cartier bracelets that they were both spotted wearing multiple times that were never connected to and/or seen on their respective girlfriends at the time

i mean at a certain point you literally gotta admit there's at least SOMETHING going on even if it's not a romantic relationship cause you honestly cannot make this stuff up, THIS IS TOO DAMN MANY "COINCIDENCES" TO BE GENUINE COINCIDENCES.

there's also tons of proof that most celebrity interviews are at least partially scripted and that people like liam are heavily media trained to make sure they stick to very specific pre-defined talking points (rebecca ferguson and the jonas brothers have talked about this - x, x). if you choose to believe everything in that interview was genuine and that it's a sign of a non-existent or unhealthy relationship, that's your choice. but as someone who's been in this fandom for almost a decade at this point, this is not the first time (and sadly probably won't be the last) that I've seen one of the boys outright lie on camera or seemingly do a complete personality 180 after saying/doing something totally different many times in the past.

do you know how many times various members of this boyband have said on camera that they don't talk to each other only to then turn around and say they never fell out of contact/never stopped being friends? it's truly baffling to me that anyone even believes that bs anymore with there is not only a literal mountain of evidence proving otherwise, but also plenty of admissions from the boys' own mouths themselves of this not actually being the case. so no, liam speaking about "not being able to reach out to his supposed partner" is not at all surprising to me. louis and harry had the same narrative not too long ago. so did zayn vs. the rest of ot4. and yet we have harry on camera recently admitting that they're all still friends and never had a falling out. this was of course followed up by liam calling zayn his "brother" which you can take how you will (he's obviously not gonna publicly call zayn his partner/husband/etc. when they're not out and when the majority of the fandom/gp still believes their relationship to be a bromance) but that's a pretty strange word choice to use for two people who aren't friends and aren't even in contact, so that alone should tell you something weird is up - if the giant trail of breadcrumbs already illustrated above somehow doesn't, that is.

furthermore, out of the hundreds of times liam's talked about zayn, he has almost always only ever had good things to say. there have literally only been about three notable instances where he's had something seemingly negative to say and at least two of those times happened in the company of extremely sketchy men who are known for doing literally anything for clicks (and during times where ziam rumors were reaching a fever pitch and it looked like someone was gunning for damage control). so excuse me if I choose to instead put my stock in the hundreds of other times where liam has only had nice things to say about zayn instead of the couple of weird times where he said something totally and completely out of character, and to pay more attention to all the million other things they do that say there is something going on between them.

again, you don't have to believe it's a romantic relationship, but at the very least you gotta suspect that you're being lied to about something because there is absolutely no way to explain most of this away. i mean this is stuff that has continued for OVER a decade, during most of which we were meant to believe they don't even speak to each other and you mean to tell me that the both of them have this many weird coincidences/linkages between them? (and these are only a few of the really big ones btw, not even getting to all the other smaller things!) and not only that but both them, their families, and their colleagues continue to show public support to the creepy weirdos online who supposedly constantly disrespect them and their relationships? like MAKE IT MAKE SENSE. either we're weird and delusional (in which case you would think they would've started ignoring us a long time ago). or we're onto something.

...I know what I believe ✌🏽🏳️‍🌈

#asks #anons #ziam #antis #ziam coincidences #ziam proof #zayn's tattoos #liam's 4 tattoo #eyebrow slit #25 #they're married #paynt by zayn #this is obviously not an exhaustive list #but these are the biggest/most damning things imo #ziam masterposts #(also idk why tumblr can't seem to put my read more link in the right place but whatever i'm done trying to fix it)

[emmafallsinlove]

I keep thinking about how, especially compared to Logan, Jess almost never plays the "poor me" card. He never tries to excuse his bad behavior by blaming his bad circumstances, and the thing that really gets me is that he COULD HAVE! Like he had a horrible, unstable childhood in the slums and was rejected by both of his parents, didn't have anyone to teach him how healthy relationships work, etc. etc... And his FANS (and occasionally Rory in S2) make defenses on his behalf because of those things, but Jess himself never does. And, I mean, to be honest it might have actually been HELPFUL sometimes if he'd been more open to explaining things! But I do appreciate the way he takes ownership of his mistakes (which then translates into how he tries to fix them). And this sheds even more light on Rory and Logan's fight in "Balalaikas" because... Rory KNOWS how hard Jess's life has been (and I think she suspects that the full truth is even worse than what he's told her). And then here's Logan, her extremely wealthy boyfriend, going on about he should get to do whatever he wants because he's unhappy. "Oh yes, your horrible life! Let's hear about it!" and Logan's response is, "Got a week?" 😐

i agree with all of it but also, i have been thinking about it because i don’t think jess thinks he deserve to play the “poor me” card. i don’t think he wants people to feel sorry for him; this is life. this is all he knows. so i don’t think he even understands how fucked up everything that he’s been trough is.

i think their struggles are different. just because jess had a troubled life and suffers from long years of abusive parenthood doesn’t mean logan suffering & feelings isn’t valid because their struggles are different and we need to acknowledge it.

to me, logan suffering is overlooked because of how wealthy he is, but comparing between the two of them just seems unfair to me.

jess struggling with relationships and learns from his mistakes and want to be better, while logan feels like he is being pushed to unwanted future he cannot escape from.

did logan played the poor me card in that scene? definitely. does it makes me angry in a way that he think he can do it while we comparing jess suffering to his? also yes, but they are different people from different backgrounds and different life openings. and while jess achieved everything on his own, and this is very impressive and he should get the credit he deserves while not being looked out on by guy like logan - i’m being bothered that people compare them to each other.

same with “who’s the better boyfriend” and “jess was a shitty boyfriend to rory” but see, their dynamics are different. jess is a 17 years old abused kid who’s learning to navigate trough his first ever relationship that lasted 6 months.

logan, on the other hand, is a 23 years old boy that everyone wants to be with. he is rich, and by the time he meets rory, he is a full grown up adult, and while he acts like a child at times and being irresponsible (going and losing thousands of dollars in vegas, going to that life and death brigade thing that almost got him killed) both of them change and learn from their mistakes, the only difference in my eyes is that logan changes for rory, but jess changed for himself.

jess better himself for himself, not for luke or for rory, because he wanted to be better, and so eventually at s6 he became the man rory’s deserved.

when logan start to take responsibility in s7 it is important but does he ever change for himself or for her? and the answer is for her.

so it’s a long answer and i think i have lost my point in the middle of it but please let’s stop comparing a 23 years old man who’s having a few relationship in the past and had a 3 years of relationship with his girlfriend to a 17 years old kid who learns how to handle healthy relationships and to open up for the first time, tries to be better for himself and becomes a bookprint and realize that their struggles are different and just because someone had it “less harder” than you in regards to bad things happing to you doesn’t make that person suffering less valid.

#can we please stop comparing between a 23 years old man and a 17 years old kid? #im talking about discourse in the gg fandom in general nothing against you stella <3 #ask*

[trollprincess]

Okay, NO. I cannot be expected to wait another four weeks to talk about Glass Onion. I CANNOT.

I’m angry about only one thing and that’s that it’s not still in the theater because my immediate goal after walking out was to walk right back in again and see it once again to catch all the stuff that went on that I missed. (Like Helen. Helen! I spent so much time at the end of the movie going, “Wow, she does such a great acting job being her sister!” Except it was *her* all along and … Jesus, seriously give that woman an Oscar nomination.)

I also thought SO MUCH about the whole “you see what he wanted you to see” part of the plot, because yes. YES. I wish more movies did this gaslighting outside of an abusive domestic situation, *and* acknowledged it as such.

I also hope that when Benoit said, “I’ve got a guy,” he meant Philip, and ten minutes later Philip was clearing stacks of books out of their bathroom grumbling about why they can’t go do this in his salon, *Blanc*, you always do this, I don’t know how we didn’t break up ages ago, now go check on dinner while I rummage through what supplies I’ve got on hand.

Okay, but that last sequence … look, I called it sexy for a reason. That shit was so *satisfying*. I’m not going to pretend that it didn’t help that Miles felt VERY Elon on multiple fronts, which made it even better. But Helen getting to destroy it ALL - not just physically by smashing and burning and doing everything some of us wish we could do to a billionaire’s home, but by doing it in such a way that his whole damn empire is about to *fall the fuck apart*.

I kept thinking about Marta in the first movie and Helen in this one, how they both go up against the rich and privileged, although they wouldn’t have done so if a murder didn’t spur them on. They’re both exceptionally brave. Marta’s bravery may be more understated in comparison (God knows she doesn’t blow the house up), but they’re both the real heroes in movie where the urge is to go, “Well, Benoit is the hero, of course.” Even he would go, “No, I do this all the time. But HER! She’s a marvel.” God, I could watch a hundred movies where Benoit Blanc does his detective work while a woman stands up to privileged bullshit and wins over and over. I hope we get so many more Benoit Blanc movies. He’s SO good, but the movies also give him the BEST characters to work with or against.

Ugh, I just want to rewatch ALL of Janelle Monae’s scenes from the start. She had a scarf around her head in that scene with the box at the beginning and of COURSE she did, she’s wearing a robe, she probably just got up, but of COURSE she did, because she’s *Helen*, and she’s got a different haircut. And what I love is that yes, she smashed that box with the hammer because she was good and pissed and good for her, but also she’s the sort of character where if she actually sat down and tried to figure it out, you *know* she could. She’s sharp, she’s a teacher, she’s quick on her feet. But goddamn it, that box NEEDED smashing, and I feel like I could watch two straight hours of Janelle Monae breaking stuff and that would be my porn.

But I love Benoit Blanc so goddamn much, too. I’m not a James Bond fan so I haven’t watch Daniel Craig’s run (that’s on the character, not him), but I’ve adored him in other stuff. Like, he’s so much fun in Logan Lucky, a movie that doesn’t nearly get enough play for being VERY good and for featuring Southern characters without making them the butt of the joke. Oh, but Benoit.

Also, kudos to writing in the pandemic as a plot point in a way that didn’t make me want to whack the screenwriter on the head with a newspaper. Like, Kate Hudson wearing that jeweled chain mask was both so in character and SO infuriating because *people actually did that shit*, a fact I will NEVER get over.

#glass onion #spoilers

[violet-amet]

mtas spoilers abound, with the knives out patch.

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Making sure to keep these separated before I actually talk about it.

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Ok, so spoilers time. What the dick Matilda! Also Miguel and pen are also traitors?! I didn’t expect them to actually be the baddies! And in turn that makes me feel so sad for burgess because that innocent and naive fella truly believed them. But he also when to take things in stride, for the time being. I can only imagine how he feels, with everyone that works for a seemingly righteous cause suddenly are revealed for have a more skewed view on it. I get it, change and all that, but boy, it’s been tough on him and everyone else in sand rock. And also I thought burg would had been the bad guy because he seems so innocent but lmao. Lol. He isn’t, atm I think. Lol nah I am willing to trust him.

It does seem that pen is ummarriageable in the game, but can be romance. I’m hoping that Miguel can be married, because I genuinely like him, because I get it, ya know? But this isn’t really for me, because I chose Qi, my smart as hell scientist with very low social skills, and he is perfect. He even acknowledges his flaws and wants to do better for the builder too, when married! So cute!

But I think it’s a shame that pen can’t be married. I’m sure there are many fans who would be bothered by this. At least one person has a chance with a redemption arc tho, which is Miguel, but let’s see how that plays out.

Oh and Elsie has a glow up! She looks like her beta self which is such a cool touch, and I love it! I hope to see more of this side of her now from here on! She is a good gal!

Also I do want to fight Logan again at some point. Maybe when he gets officially added to the roster of romanceable characters that it could happen. He is so much fun to fight against! And I want to fight pen again for no reason. Than shenanigans.

While yes there are a lot of bugs and errors, hell my marriage ceremony didn’t work unfortunately, I do enjoy this game a lot. It has a lot of potential that I hope gets better overtime esp the bugs and glitches.

Gotta wait tho until summer. Hehe. That’s fine by me.

Ya know there is one other thing I want to talk about, and that is Miguel’s appearance. Compared to the rest of the cast, he is the least attractive, with some features that do bother me, like his small hands, but I like how he looks tbh. There is quite a lot, mostly anatomy wise, that bothers me, but I still really like him because he is interesting as a character. I also think his face is fine, but the head body ratio bothers me quite a bit. Idk how to explain it. But it’s fine, I guess. If it wasn’t for the fact that he is a pastor, and I used to have very religious family members that worked as one, there is a lot about him that reminds me of my own family and church experiences, I’d choose him. He seems like he could be an utter sweetheart, with an unfortunately skewed view of the world, which is fair. And I think it’s interesting personally. But I may just be rambling. Hehehe.

#blah blah blabbity blah #my time at sandrock #my time at sandrock spoilers #knives out update #I certainly talk about a certain someone more than others… #lmao #ah well. #again spoilers!

[rosefires20]

// serious, Dream, Dream allegations

I'm not very active on here at all. (I'm on Twitter much more) But I feel the need to talk about stuff that's been happening lately.

I am a fan of Tommyinnit's content but I am distancing myself from him due to his recent actions and words.

He's still making jokes about Dream despite the numeorus grooming allegations against him. Whether they are true or not. It doesn't matter. Dream has still yet to address those claims properly so I fully believe the victims.

Tommy also still supports Logan Paul and recently made a very tone deaf comment on a serious post from Ludwig about how much Logan Paul's actions have sucked recently. He also has talked about working with people that have made openly horrible jokes in the past. (I'm less informed about this one so I will stand corrected if those people have changed since.)

I love his content but this has been going on for months now with no sign of him addressing any of it. I don't care about his personal life or if he's friends with Dream in private, I want him to educate himself and address it on stream. All of this is a serious topic and he has felt very tone deaf because he ignores it in favor of making jokes and bits out of it. If there was an open conversation criticizing the joke and how it's actually bad, then it'd be different but there is no such thing at this moment.

I dont want to see him canceled and he's been pretty decent about addressing serious stuff in the past. It feels like his heavily disconnected from his community which can be very dangerous for a creator.

Influencing is part of his job so by not talking about these issues and continuing to make bits out of it, he is belitting the problem. What he says affects thousands even if it doesn't seem that way. There's a lot of responsibility in being an influencer that is not acknowledged.

If he addresses it and clearly shows change, I will delete this and move on with enjoying his content but this is an important thing to talk about. It's important to think critically about your streamers and what you are taking in. This is about accountability at the end of the day.

#this is very serious and I apologize if i come off baddly #this is a serious situation that needs to be address #this is about accountability #he has openly shown that he is better than this #i dont think Tommys a bad person but that doesnt mean he doesnt need to talk about this #he generally does good things #tommy innit #tommyinnit #mention of the dream allegations #mention of dream #mention of logan paul #grooming mention

[writingforfun0714]

Spoilers for Tales of the Jedi!!

*not story related*

I know I said before I disliked the short runtimes of the episodes, but I was correct in that the stories/music were fantastic!

BUUUT!!!

What is with the clone model?!?Rex looks exactly the same in CW. It’s obvious with Obi-wan, Anakin, Ahsoka, and even Mace that their designs have been redone to keep with the slicker, nicer animation (advancing technology). While everyone looks better, Rex still looks exactly the same with the sharp, angular lines.

I’m honestly not surprised that Rex’s design didn’t change, but I must admit that I had hoped, deep down, that they would’ve changed the model (even just a bit like they did with the other characters). Disney does listen to SW fans if we shout loud enough so they technically could’ve changed the clone model to be more like Temuera Morrison (I know Disney would never apologize for the racism, but any change, even a little, is welcome). But again, I’m really not surprised Rex’s model didn’t change. Just disappointed.

Even though the stories and music were amazing, the fact that Rex/the clone model hasn’t changed isn’t just racism, it’s sloppy animation. It hurt as a POC and as an artist to see. Don’t get me wrong, everything else animated looks great. It’s just that Rex/the clone model wasn’t updated, making him appear off and out of place with the rest of the scenes. It also made Rex look older (whether unintentional or not). Like yes, the clones all have accelerated aging (except for Boba/Omega obviously), but everyone else slightly aged with each time skip but Rex looked old from the beginning (S1 version of Anakin/Ahsoka scene). Would’ve loved to see the lines on his face appear rather than just be there like they were for the clone model in CW.

I just…wish Disney would acknowledge the clones being whitewashed. I don’t need an apology. I don’t. It’s been so long. I just want them to change the model. Even a little bit at a time until they look like Temuera Morrison. I’d say that they look more accurate in their older, Rebel’s design than the CW animation style. Rebels isn’t completely accurate, but it’s better than CW’s/BB’s version. Listen, they could’ve changed the clone model for TotJ and if people were ???/didn’t like it, Disney/Filoni could’ve stated Rebels as an inspiration or something. I like Filoni as a storyteller, but the racism whether intentional or not has now started hurting the SW community. I love Dee Bradley Baker. He’s an amazing VA like Tara Strong or Grey DeLisle. But he shouldn’t have been cast as the clones in the first place. It should’ve been Temuera Morrison, Daniel Logan or another New Zealand VA.

It’s interesting that they did that for Bad Batch’s Omega. Her VA is Michelle Ang, a woman from New Zealand in her mid 30’s (who imho does NOT sound like a child at all). Like they knew to get a NZ VA for Omega, but not for the clones? I’ll be honest and say that I don’t know why Baker got the job (I know he and Filoni worked on AtLA together so I wasn’t sure if that had something to do with it). Baker tried but it just didn’t work. That’s why Omega’s accent sounds so different compared to the rest of CF99.

I’m assuming that Filoni is just one of those guys that if gets called a racist, just digs his heels in deeper and denies it, though doesn’t do anything to prove that he isn’t. People care a lot about being called racist, but don’t really do anything about it.

If you wanna learn more about whitewashing in the SW fandom, specifically about the clones, go check out @unwhitewashthebadbatch

There’s amazing info about what is whitewashed specifically, POC in the SW fandom, how to support POC and their organizations, etc. I saw it one day on my feed and am so happy to have found a place to get info.

#star wars #unwhitewash the bad batch #star wars bad batch #bad batch #star wars tales of the jedi #tales of the jedi #Star Wars TotJ #tales of the jedi spoilers #Star Wars totj spoilers #it’s a great show #but keeping Rex/the clone model as is #is bad/sloppy animation #like noticeably bad #and I’ll die on that hill

[pentition]

I'd love to babble about portia, sandrock and especially Pen to you! My brains is a little covid addled though so depth might be a bit lacking. (I've been feeling better slowly but steadily, but this shit is not a normal flu, fuck this everything tastes extremely bitter or like nothing. Sadness.)

As for Pen and the new sandrock update, I felt like that mission with Pen training you genuinely really revealed a lot about his character. I can't really put it into words right now. But I genuinely like him, despite what he did. I don't think he is entirely black and white. And while it's not the same 100%, as a perfectionist and someone who is always thinking about how others perceive me I can relate somewhat.

Oh gosh, that's awful. Don't push yourself if you're unwell! (●´□`)♡ I've somehow dodged Covid all this time (as I punch a hole through the nearest wooden object, lmao) so I'm not even going to pretend I understand how crummy you must feel. I hope it passes asap with no aftermath issues to deal with!!

Also to anyone reading: SPOILERS! I hope putting it like that always draws the eye, haha.

I agree, I can't see him as a black and white character either. What he decides is worth spending his time on says a lot to me, honestly. Like in Simply the Best, I feel like what he says leading up to the mission to be really interesting. It shows Pen is potentially self-aware of himself and what he is as a super soldier.

He has "unconventional tastes" with dates and only "feels alive on the battlefield". It's also the only time we see him freely complimenting the Builder separate from himself, iirc. Also using the term 'love' in a few ways.

To me, it came across like Pen was trying to take it more seriously and that was likely new to him. He broached the subject of what interested him and made it clear enough to the Builder, acknowledged attraction physically and wanting to see if it went beyond that. Almost like he was voicing in his own way a manner of uncertainty and poking around to see if this whole 'true love' thing was real. Real and mutual. All sandwiched between his usual egotistical comments about himself we know and expect (and love).

But that's also interesting to me because in his role, if he's really a Knight, or by just being an experimented upon super soldier - I imagine he could be someone important to Duvos. Not to say Duvos cares about their soldiers, we have no real proof of that. But if he was a successful experiment, as it seems, that may be what warranted this ego in the first place. So maybe the idea of sharing yourself with someone else, or finding them even good enough, probably is something he thinks is reasonable to be picky with.

Also even if there was the chance the Builder was accepting of him if they learned the truth then it's even more imperative they are worth something to Duvos. Pen vouching because he loves them as their super soldier I don't think is enough for them to accept a non-Duvos citizen. At least, that's my impression given how everyone seems to regard both the country and its people so far.

I feel like Pen is always saying more than what it seems. Combat tutorial was funny and great but you could say he was also just trying to assess someone new on the board. You can argue the whole heart knot acceptance and romance mission is a manipulation scheme but that still makes me ask why. Why is that worth his time when there are surely easier people to turn into his fans or have fawn over him? Was he just bored and is actually nasty and cruel? I don't think from his perspective that the Builder is a threat, not until Knives Out hits and they have potentially met Logan after taking a fall. Then there's a slightly awkward 'welcome back' from him that seems torn between acknowledging it as your pal/partner Pen and Duvos's spy Pen.

Gosh I'm rambling but yeah, I don't think he's black and white. I think he is all the things he presents all at once. It's just a matter of how self-aware he is in that moment, or how much he cares. The context of the situation and who is present. But either way, the perception of others means a lot to him given both his true role and the protector role. And I think that carries over to how the Builder perceives him, just in a more personal manner the more they get on.

It makes me want more romance missions with him and all that content just to see more of him in contexts outside of what we consider his norm.

#musings #i'm really not trying to word vomit on these asks but you guys set my brain off lmao #pen

[mermaidsirennikita]

How’d you like the succession episode? the tomshiv content has me dyingg

It was really good! This season has been so strong thus far, I'm really happy with how things are progressing. Tom/Shiv was so good in that episode, and I think it just.... really beautifully underlines why these two got together and what has been keeping them apart.

Thoughts:

--I find it bizarre that people think Tom acknowledging (I don't wanna say admitting, because he's known, and I think Shiv has known, and I think everyone has known) his desire for money and power means he doesn't love Shiv? Like, you can enjoy the benefits of a relationship and also feel genuine emotions about the relationship. Two things can exist at once. People are complex. This is one issue many viewers have with this show, imo. They expect all these plot twists and binary black and white answers when that's never been the point. The point is to tell a story about people with messed up relationships and senses of self, to tell it in an emotionally authentic way, and to get the nuances.

--Another thing: people! Learn about the childbearing body, Jesus! I've seen people say that Shiv must be miscarrying because she fell down a couple stairs, like women don't get into car accidents while pregnant without miscarrying... often. I've seen people say Shiv must be somehow aborting the baby by drinking and doing drugs when a) we never saw her do drugs, and even if she did, hate to break this to y'all, but babies are born addicted to drugs all the time, it often does not cause a miscarriage b) I'm not sure if she swallowed alcohol, but even if she did... You can take a couple sips without it affecting the fetus, lmao. Women go full term without realizing they were pregnant and drink throughout. Give birth to pretty healthy babies. It happens.

(There's also the fact that the American recommendation of "don't drink every when pregnant" isn't universally agreed upon by American doctors, let alone doctors across the globe... Like, don't go and get wasted if you're knocked up, people, but a sip or two ain't gonna expel your fetus.)

Then also! People think! Shiv! Had an abortion! Because Tom didn't notice her pregnancy when they had sex??? First off, Shiv is under 20 weeks pregnant with her first child. Every person carries differently (I've known people who just never look pregnant and go a full 40 weeks) but women often show later with first babies because their muscles haven't been "stretched" by pregnancy yet. Any weight she gained could just look like a random weight gain, and I think Tom was just... happy to be there. Also, it's been like. 48 hours since we saw her talking to the doctor about her amnio (which isn't something you do, typically, with an unwanted pregnancy--amnios hurt like a motherfucker). Amnios usually aren't done before 15 weeks; so Shiv would've had to get a second trimester abortion, which of course can be done, but is harder on the body than a medical abortion done prior to 10-12 weeks. She would likely not be up and at 'em super quickly, and she also would be bleeding profusely and probably physically unable to have sex, unless she just didn't take her pants off. Which, I guess could happen, but it seems UNLIKELY.

--Another stupid thing I want to address is people thinking Roman was getting off to his dad's voice because he like? Shifted in his seat? First off, if you think that's how Kieran would've played that, how interesting. Second, there is such a vast chasm between being into degradation and getting off on your father's voice... Like, to suggest this is honestly not only stupid but a bit wildly disrespectful to people with degradation kinks. Like, the way Roman pursues his kink can be unhealthy and wild, but wanting to be degraded is pretty common and even basic. It's normal. It's fine. You're not gonna make the leap from that to what people are suggesting.

Like, the general fan theory that Logan abused Roman sexually has no basis in anything we've seen onscreen, and just seems to be a part of this effort to be "one step ahead" of a show that lays a lot of its basic thesis out there. For example: it won't be shocking if the show ends with Kendall on top but totally soulless. The show has projected that ending from day one. But simply because it isn't shocking... doesn't mean it's bad? This show is not here to pull the rug out from under us.

--Going back to Shiv and Tom on that front--it's deeply unsurprising that Shiv is more into Tom now that he's not as available to her and even mildly degrades her. (All the Roy kids have a degradation thing on some level. Like, the "you're into degradation because you grew up being degraded by bad parents" take is a bit... again, basic, but it's not off.) And it's not surprising that this is activating for her now that her father is truly unreachable. Just as it's not surprising that Matsson is probably playing her, in part because she's especially vulnerable to affirmations and apparent trust from a man who really is one of the only people who seems like her father's business equal.

(Lol yet nobody is saying Shiv wants to fuck her dad, so.)

(Also, I think what the show was saying, aside from just "Roman is not doing well and misses his father deeply" was that Roman's perception of what paternal affection is warped, but not in a sexual way. The only relationship he had with his father, who he loved, was an emotionally and physically abusive one. So naturally, hearing abusive language hurled at him from his father is comforting, in the way listening to a loving voicemail from a dead parent might be to someone who had a normal relationship with said parent.)

--Speaking of, Roman is doing real bad, but unless Jeremy does something wild in the last few eps (which lmao, he might) I think this is Kieran's year. Which is so deserved. He's breaking my fucking heart. Just collapsing, and reverting, as makes sense for someone with Roman's state of arrested development, to the guy we saw in the early episodes of the show.

--I find it funny that people think Kendall bombed when he in fact got what he wanted? Like, yeah, the Living+ thing is kind of absurd (sounds... kinda sick tho) and the presentation was so typically Kendall in the vagueness and the bro-isms, but that's the point. He doesn't need to tell these people a straightforward truth. He isn't persuading geniuses. He's conning his fellow mindnumbingly rich people who have more money than they know what to do with, and these people are NOT any better or more discerning than you or more. Maybe less so. Watching that presentation and going "he said a lot of nothing but he said it in a cool way" is the take. He won by being able to do that.

He was also high as balls and on the point of a mental break, buuuut that'll come later. And he might still take this thing, lol. But that is NOT GOOD.

--Karl is King.

#succession

[rogersstevie]

i don’t care for logan and how he affects rory a lot of the time but i think using the end of season 5/beginning of season 6 plotline for your arguments against him is A Choice, like sure stealing the yacht and all the partying were things she wouldn’t have done without him but taking a break from yale was alllll due to what mitchum said to her (AND in fairness to logan he was angry when he found out and was ready to start a fight with his dad over doing that to her until she stopped him)

not to mention like YES obviously college was the right place for rory to be but! fans getting mad at her for taking time off and mad at logan for his influence there like.....i know the show frames it in such a way that makes it look like rory is in the wrong there, because she goes back and with that is able to fix things with lorelai, but like she is not the villain she’s turned into by that storyline, and neither is logan. college isn’t for everyone! dropping out is not a bad thing, it’s not a weakness, and she did not deserve to be cut off by her mother because she decided to take that time off! and even if she hadn’t decided to go back, like hey if jess hadn’t given her that push, she was already realizing she was unhappy with the state of her life, so she would’ve figured out a different path that worked for her without completing her education whether at that time or ever, like rory is a very ambitious character and works hard in whatever situation she’s in so she still would’ve found a way to follow her passions with or without yale 

and sure rory was right in a lot of the things she said at the bar, that he’s not fighting this future he’s being pushed into and that all he does is party which doesn’t really give her any other options in terms of getting to spend time with him, plus her own friends are far away so the only way to get time with her peers at that point is by going to bars with logan and his friends, but she could in fact say no (though again i understand not doing so because sometimes something is better than nothing) AND while he is a contributing factor to her increasing unhappiness at that point, dropping out was her choice - again motivated by the belief that she won’t be able to reach her dreams thanks to mitchum - and logan just...didn’t really have anything to do with that particular factor, yeah he could’ve done more to convince her to go back but it was still ultimately her decision, one he didn’t influence either way

idk i just feel like most of the gg fandom thinks it’s ooc or wrong that rory dropped out and most of the literati fandom blames logan for that “bad” decision and any others she makes and it’s like, we can absolutely talk about the way he mistreats and manipulates her at times, but also acknowledge that she is capable of making her own right and wrong choices, and that while dropping out of yale ultimately wasn’t what she truly wanted, that doesn’t mean it was the wrong decision for her at that point in time

#like idk do y'all not think of that time as shaping her and ultimately motivating her even more to get what she wants in life? #like with regards to school and her future career she was thriving for the rest of the series sooooo #gilmore girls #rory gilmore #anti logan huntzberger #anti rogan #just to be safe

[pinky369]

Olivia Baker deserves SO MUCH BETTER from the writers and not only her but Samantha Logan as well.

Olivia is the 2nd lead right behind Spencer, as yet they haven’t done a deep dive into her character and do it in a way that would serve only to her and her personal character growth and I think that’s extremely messed up, especially with what they make her go through within the show. They only either use her for these dramatic/traumatic storylines and have that be a plot device for whoever in which she receives nothing from it or, they use her character in order to push someone else forward like they did that with her and Asher in S1 and S2, the whole thing with her vs Wade ??? That wasn’t ever for her, that was to push Jordan forward and deal with his confidence and wanting to be QB1. Now this thing with her and coach Garrett ??? That’s not gonna be for her either, that’s gonna be for push Billy forward and give him something to do and potentially coach again (which btw, if he does, people owe grace an apology cause she called that out when she said that he’s principal now but if he gets another coaching opportunity, he’ll take it). It’s like you ask yourself, outside of spelivia, do they care for Olivia’s character ??? if not, they need to cause she’s the fan favorite across all audiences for a reason and we all relate to her and want better for her.

She deserves to have a full season where they do a deep dive into her character and her mental health and show her that grace like they have done with Layla, Spencer, even Jordan, etc. LIKE FOCUS ON HER FOR A CHANGE AND HAVE HER GET BETTER WITH THAT. We could all conclude that she’s not at all fine or okay mentally because within these past few episodes, especially the last two, she’s been on edge and testy and along with that, feeling like she ruins everything and makes everything harder for everyone and doesn’t see the good in herself and while WE know why, we shouldn’t have to put together the pieces ourselves and the writing should do that for us and for her and also, LET HER BE HAPPY WITHOUT TAKING IT AWAY like let her have her wins and keep them cause she was finally getting wins this season only to take them away within a matter of a few episodes. Like with everything they put her through and then not having her deal with them properly or show how these events affect her (like they put her through an almost overdose, being taken advantage of, a shooting, a relapse, a car crash, potentially having her career be ruined and taking away her sponsee and messing the one relationship she cares the most about along with the mental/emotional feelings of feeling alone/abandoned, overlooked, etc.), how could she not breakdown and succumb to all of that and it would a huge disservice to her character to not show her dealing with all of this and have her grow as a character and continue that growth that we have all acknowledged and enjoyed and not only that, you have Samantha Logan ACTING HER BUTT OFF with the material that she’s given and she deserves better than that (and I can say the same thing for a bunch of the actors on here cause they have a bunch of talented people but do them SO WRONG) and you know when all of this is a problem when not only the fans/superfans say this but the GENERAL AUDIENCE is saying this as well.

If you have anything to add to this, PLEASE DO and share this so that the writers and everyone involved can see but again, OLIVIA BAKER DESERVES BETTER FROM THE SHOW 🗣

#all american #olivia baker #samantha logan #likeforlikes #like #love #tumblr #tumblrgirl #she deserves better #like she’s a whole fan favorite and main #treat her as so #let her have happiness for herself and don’t ruin it #give her storylines that is ONLY FOR HER AND SERVES HER #stop using her to put her through trauma or to push someone else to the forefront #we’re all sick of it

[sodamnelectrocute]

"how they gloss over Logan's faults and then say he was OOC in the revival because he had so much growth in season 7 - which they'll also be selectively dismissive of because of the change in writers." "So then the question is, is it out of character that he's back in London under his dad's thumb? Or is it that folks don't want to admit that Logan can be passive and apathetic and cowardly? Is it OOC or do you just not like it? Do we dismiss season 7 or the revival - or reluctantly accept both?"

Yes, this! I completely agree. Their logic surrounding what we should or shouldn't accept for Logan is bizarre every time, because even among specific fans, some think the proposal was no big deal and immediately side with Logan, whereas others don't accept it as in character for him at all. So it's like, well what DO you as a fan group accept? Is everyone who watches gilmore girls supposed to come in with a handed out pamphlet explaining to them which of Logan's actions we need to accept as part of his character or not? And even then, where do you draw the line? Him sleeping with those bridesmaids and then steamrolling Rory into taking him back is fine, then? Or him constantly running away from his problems with his father while Rory has to emotionally manage him? And if it's absolutely necessary for you to do this so as to accept him as Rory's best boyfriend, where can the line be drawn for other characters' writing? I mean, if you can disown both the ending to season 7 and the revival, then I can easily disown the last three episodes for season 3 in terms of Jess's writing. He was supposed to have a spinoff which didn't end up happening, that gives me 'enough of a reason' to disown it. But apparently this kind of selective memory is only reserved for Logan, and no other character on the show....

EXACTLYYYY!!!

We can all understand or surmise why certain storylines took hard left turns that we don't care for—as you mentioned, Jess's season 3 exit due to an aborted spinoff & Milo's contract ending; Dave's abrupt off screen exit due to Adam Brody moving on to The O.C.; the back half of season 6 imploding due to ASP being driven out of her show; and so on—but, pun intended, the show must go on. Whatever happens behind the scenes affects what happens onscreen, of course, but the fact is that whatever made it out of the editing booth is what we have to go by and is canon, like it or not. When we start disregarding that is when we get into head canons—some of which can be interesting to extrapolate on, but even if those head canons are popular and widely accepted, that doesn't make them actual canon.

I think these things would bother me less if people didn't speak on their head canons like they're objective truths. Or if some of these opinions didn't rely on twisting the text to suit their bias. At the end of the day, you like who/what you like, and I think having that stance would be stronger if it was boldly like, "Yes, I acknowledge these flaws, and I still prefer xyz." Then I'd be like, more power to you. Can't fathom it but all right then!

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