#achilles ....

[eeviaylxix]

achilles: so you're telling me... you didn't go on a rage-induced murder spree after your boyfriend died in battle?

hamilton: ...no?

achilles:

hamilton: are you okay??

#incorrect quotes #shitpost #american revolution #alexander hamilton #amrev #hamilton #history #john laurens #lams #historical lams #achilles #patroclus #patrochilles #the iliad #tsoa #the song of achilles #i will never shut up about the parallels between patrochilles and lams

[incorrecthomer]

Apollo: I can and will destroy your bloodline Achilles: Jokes on you dipshit, the bloodline's already ending with me Neoptolemus:

#greek mythology #incorrect greek mythology #greek heroes #incorrect greek heroes #incorrect greek quotes #incorrect quotes #iliad #incorrect iliad #achilles gang #apollo #achilles #neoptolemus

[court-cost-right]

#blowing spun #tattooed #dont hug me im scared #killer katrin #galatasaray #achilles #yor forger #evangelion #animaniacs #arataki itto #genetics #laughing jack

[ask-modern-patrochilles]

Who's the more dramatic one?

Patroclus: Take a wild guess.

#asks #achilles #patroclus #patrochilles

[krabkrab-wontshutup]

I’m like, personally offended that achilles wasnt in the underworld saga at all. the conversation he has with odysseus is really fun.

this segment from the odyssey is really cool, this is the first thing Achilles says to Odysseus in the underworld. He characterizes Odysseus by his wits, and simultaneously refers to him as “Incorrigible”.

from here

Achilles and Odysseus are parallels. Achilles knew from the beginning he was never going to return home, and Odysseus’s journey home is literally Fucking Cursed to be deadly and dangerous. They are the mortal parallels to Ares and Athena, Wrath and Strategy. They are one in the same, and all too different.

here is another screenshot from that website describing odysseus and achilles’ conversation.

Yeah i just really like them.

#analysis #epic: the musical #epic the underworld saga #epic the musical #i guess #Achilles #the Illiad #Odysseus #the Odyssey #might write an Illiad musical… tempting. probably wont #Writing #long post

[johaerys-writes]

For centuries, scholars have debated the Embassy scene and what exactly it was that Achilles really wanted. Should he have accepted the gifts, or was he right to reject them? Since Achilles' refusal to be appeased marks the beginning of his tragedy, the usual conclusion is that he made the wrong decision and he will learn his lesson. But the point of the Embassy scene was to establish that Achilles had three options, not two, and it is the third that will break his heart. Achilles' tragic error did not lie in his acceptance or rejection of Agamemnon's gifts; his tragic error was that he did not follow where his thoughts always seem to tend-- to Phthia beyond the sea; to Peleus, his father; to home.

From The War That Killed Achilles, by Caroline Alexander

#achilles #the iliad #homer's iliad #he just wanted to go HOME 🥺 #the way most of his longer speeches feature phthia or peleus or both makes me cry #he misses his dad......... halp #not me rereading this book and getting in my feels first thing in the morning #tagamemnon

[grenoodledraws]

sometimes I lie awake at night thinking abt them

#achilles #patroclus #patrochilles #the song of achilles #fanart

[belamercado]

When he says "ily", but Achilles once said

"I would recognize you in total darkness, were you mute and i deaf. I would recognize you in another lifetime entirely, in different bodies, different times. And i would love you in all of this, until the very last star in the sky burnt out into oblivion."

#relatable quotes #life quotes #thoughts #book quotes #inspiring quotes #quoteoftheday #relationship quotes #inspirational quotes #love quotes #romance quotes #greek #achilles #greek quotes #greek tumblr #greek posts

[patrochillesvibes]

Het were achilles and patroclus cousins? It's never been said in the illad yet people say that patroclus's grandma is achilles's great grandma , even though the illad never says this??

Maybe.

Here's Achilles' family tree per my Caroline Alexander translation:

I don't have a digital copy of Emily Wilson's translation, but it is relatively similar.

As you can see, Patroclus is not in the family tree.

Homer does mention Patroclus' father, Menoetius, a few times. He also mentions that Menoetius is the son of Aktor (or Actor). No mention of a mother.

Pindar suggest's Menoetius' mother being Aegina. Sound familiar? It should because Aegina had Aeacus who had Peleus.

Weird, right? Wouldn't that make Patroclus a peer of Peleus. Of course Aegina is a nymph and and nymphs are immortal, so a generation could have passed between her having her two sons.

I remain skeptical. I think if Patroclus had such a famous mother she would probably be mentioned by Homer as Thetis was mentioned. BUT THEN AGAIN these people were SUPER sexist so 🤷‍♀️

Here's the infamous Google family tree to explain the possible relation:

Here's a better one.

What is that like first cousins once removed?

So given it's not explicit in Homer and the connection and understanding of other sources is dodgy at best, it's really a matter of how /you/ want to define what is canon.

Is your canon The Iliad? Is it the entire Epic Cycle which we only have parts of? Or is your canon all works of Ancient Greece?

I mentioned this in another post, Greek mythology is fucking frustrating for this very reason. We know of a bunch of ancient authors who wrote about mythology and they each had their own headcanons. And of course no two headcanons are the same, just to fuck with us some more I swear.

For emphasis, here's a summary of the different hcs for Patroclus' mother:

But back to the cousin thing...

At least in various civilizations in Europe, marrying your first cousin was a thing up through the mid-20th century. Just Google search any European royal family. We mainly only now find it "weird" or "creepy" bcs of our modern understanding of genetics.

Google is telling me it was common in some periods and some areas of Ancient Greece. So if they were cousins, it most likely would not have been considered "icky" by their contemporaries through Homer. I mean those ppl in Athens created ritualized pedophilia so I think cousin incest is pretty tame in comparison

Many of the headcanons floating out there by all these dead famous white men are contradictory. For example: there are multiple versions of how Achilles gained his powers, there are multiple versions of Achilles' death. It can't all be true! So pick what you like and move on. Or better yet, make up your own canon for yourself! Don't stress about it.

#don't ever let the armchair historians of tumblr make you feel bad for your hcs #fight them instead #ask #patroclus #patrochilles #achilles #it is fun to research these things and chat about it but it's nothing to get worked up over #oh and not to be /that/ person but yes the Troy movie is valid #it's a shitty white cishet hc but they have the right to make up hcs too #and yes we have a right to make fun of them #gosh i love chatting about patrochilles hcs and conspiracy theories

[incorrecthomer]

Achilles: *Opens the door and holds it open* After you, sir. Agamemnon: No thank you. I never let anyone walk behind me. 7 out of 10 attacks come from behind. Achilles: Well, that still leaves a 30% chance that I'll attack you from the front... Agamemnon: Yes, but it will be easier to stop. I can obviously always block the blow. I would countert it. Not that you would ever have the guts to- Achilles: *Slaps Ag* *Walks inside* Agamemnon:

#greek mythology #incorrect greek mythology #greek heroes #incorrect greek heroes #incorrect greek quotes #incorrect quotes #iliad #incorrect iliad #achilles #agamemnon #achilles&agamemnon

[norrtam]

in the fall of 2023 i read TSOA... this was amazing

#art #the song of achilles #tsoa #tsoa achilles #achilles #tsoa fanart

[comparativetarot]

Nine of Coins. Art by Ivy K, from the Mythos Tarot.

ELYSIUM

#Ivy K #Mythos Tarot #Nine of Coins #Nine #Coins #Minor Arcana #Tarot #Folklore #Greek #Achilles #Patroclus #LGBT Representation

[ask-modern-patrochilles]

Do you both like to go to bed at the same time together or is one of you a night owl?

Achilles: I can definitely be a night owl at times but most nights we fall asleep together! Patroclus is more of a morning person though, I’ll never understand it.

#asks #achilles

[delusionalrobot]

from the introduction to emily wilsons translation of the iliad

#the iliad #emily wilson #ancient classics #classic lit #read this over breakfast and couldnt stop thinking abt it while i was at work yesterday #achilles

[wolfythewitch]

But never let me die without a struggle and without acclaim

#animation #art #class hw #tagamemnon #iliad #the iliad #achilles #hector of troy #andromache #greek mythology

[dreamu-draws]

Hey we saw you from across the glade and we really hate your vibe.

#my art #digital art #fanart #procreate #hades game #Hades #Hades 2 #Patroclus #Achilles #Patrochilles #Odysseus