#Ship discourse

[cosmileech]

please get help. i'm guessing youre a child from a quick skim of your posts which is extremely worrying. proship is dangerous and whether you like it or not it affects reality and normalises unhealthy and dangerous relationships, even if you're sure it doesnt. this is dangerous. please please PLEASE take a break from the internet. there are healthy coping mechanisms. there are ways to express yourself which don't involve unhealthy scenarios. please just talk to someone

this made me laugh so hard you single handedly pulled me out of my unspoken hiatus. womp womp im gonna go write some toxic yaoi now

#proship #proshipping #pro fiction #anti anti #ship discourse #proship discourse #anti ship #antis being stupid #antis being antis #antis being ridiculous

[am-i-the-asshole-official]

AITA for 'outing' someone for writing inc*st?

I (20F) am in a moderately large fandom that got popular during the pandemic. Most of the fic for this fandom is gen and platonic pairings, which is a rarity and fantastic. One of the most popular creators in the fandom puts out a ton of gen fics that I really loved. Unfortunately, I learned after that they write fics on a different account, and not just any fics, but inc*st. I'm not talking about found family. These characters are literal brothers in canon. I can't believe anyone would ship them together, much less this person. I unfollowed them and now, whenever I see anyone talking about how much they love this creator, I inform them about the alt account and their ships. Ignorance may be bliss, but I felt awful when I found out and realized I'd been supporting them for so long and I don't want anyone else to feel that way. But someone replied to one of my comments calling me the asshole, telling me I was outing the creator, and to mind my own business. AITA?

What are these acronyms?

#aita #am i the asshole #ship discourse #incest cw

[bewareofdeaddove]

Once you start harassing people over their tastes in fiction, you've gone too far.

You should not be sending anon hate.

You should not be telling people to kill themselves.

You should not be contacting people's family members, job, or school.

You should not be sending people gore.

You should not be telling people that they deserve their trauma.

You should not be attacking people over liking something fictional. At that point, you're the problem. Not the person making things you don't like, YOU. Harassment is never acceptable.

#anti anti #pro ship #profiction #proship #anti ship #antiship #neutralship #neutral ship #ship discourse #fandom

[sparkling-pink-lemonade]

Saw a post of an anti saying that they are leaving AO3, as they are too uncomfortable to post their fics there now. The reason? They found out one of their long time readers was a proshipper, despite their fics having proship dni. And how "that includes silent readers too, I don't want you all looking at my content."

My brother in christ, you are posting on the fiction freedom site. The proshipping site. Dnis aren't god damn restraining orders. They are one tool in helping you display your boundaries. It's still on you to enforce your boundaries. You post something publicly, you forfeit your ability to regulate who can view your work. If you're obsessive enough, you can regulate who actually interacts with your work by stalking each person in the kudos list, comments, or bookmarks and then blocking snyone you don't like, but you do not get a say on who may silently read your posts. Not unless you private your work and only show it to specific people.

And if you don’t want proshippers to interact, get off the profic site.

#proship #profic #tw antiship #anti mention #antis being antis #anti harassment #anti censorship #ship discourse #purity culture #pro ao3 #rant

[dead-pidoves-dirt-takes]

I’m literally begging y’all not to disclose your trauma in order to justify and validate your tastes in fiction.

The people who are or you fear are going to get on your case about your fantasies, taste in fiction or how you identify? Do not give a shit about you. Or the trauma you have faced. They don’t give a shit about other trauma survivors either, and they don’t care about how callous and shitty they seem. All they care is about controlling and policing people they think they might have a sliver of power over.

You can block or clown or do whatever you want. (I recommend blocking, don’t feed the trolls) But please for the love of god do not tell random strangers on the internet who have absolutely no business knowing you’re traumatized and have X Y and Z mental illnesses from it.

Don’t reveal yourself as vulnerable, don’t paint that target on your back, and don’t give people access to possible triggers that may hurt you.

#discourse #proship #ship discourse #trauma #trauma mention #listen I hate that the conversation gets centred around trauma anyways #it’s all about actions and if they have real and tangible consequences on people #mod birdy 🪶

[truthfully-system]

Man antis tire me. You do realize most people irl are the "freaks" you talk of? Most people LOVE angsts, and that includes abuse, dubious consent, incestual pairings, YES even minorXadult stuff, YES even necrophilia, YES whatever youre thinking of.

Ask any of my family, ask any of my friends, ask any of my friends I had at school growing up about "hey did you love any of these tropes and perhaps even indulge in them?" And youll get a loud YES

You are the odd ones out. And thats a reminder for the other proshippers out there too, ANTIS ARE THE ODD ONES OUT! This whole anti fiction phenomenon is only present in america and even then its mostly within american social media, go to european or asian ir whatever social media and NO ONE GIVES A FUCK unless its motivated by extreme religious BS

#proshippers please interact #proship please interact #anti proship #proshipper #proship #profiction #pro fiction #profic #anti harrassment #proship safe #profic safe #shipcourse #ship discourse

[sad-drake-lyrics]

what my 65yo father has to say about antis:

let me preface this by saying, i literally wish i had what just happened on video to go viral on TikTok. i was shook by this conversation down to my bones; and if you could see my father - a loud old Italian man with dramatic hand gestures - say what he had to say, i think this shit would blow up. but as i was obviously not filming him while we were eating, i will have to relay to you the story with my words.

so i'm sitting eating dinner at the coffee table with my father while watching TV, as Americans often do instead of eating at the dinner table, and since the news was on he started telling me this story that had been recently mentioned on TV once again from maybe ten years ago (it was in 2014, you can read about it here) where these two 12-year-old girls killed one of their friends as a sacrifice to the Slender Man. yeah, real thing. fucked up.

and so my father told me about how they interviewed one of the killer's mothers, and when questioned about where her daughter's motive could've come from, she said something along the lines of: you know, when i was a kid, i was into Stephen King and horror - and so when my kid was into that kind of stuff, i didn’t think it was a big deal.

so, of course, my response was "yeah, being into that stuff isn’t a big deal at all - it's normal - but being a sociopath and murdering someone is not normal; it's fucked up. but there's nothing wrong with being into horror stories - they're just stories meant to entertain - it doesn't make you a murderer to enjoy Halloween - but it would if you put on a Michael Myers mask and went out and stabbed people." and, of course, like any sane person, my father agreed with me.

then, continuing this line of conversation, i started talking about the concept of how "fiction isn’t reality," and how a frightening amount of people don't understand that; and i literally started telling him about antis - people on the internet who attack and harass others over "problematic" or "inappropriate" fictional interests.

i used well-known pop culture examples like: if you're into Game of Thrones and like Jaime and Cersei together or wanted Jon and Daenerys to end up together (i didn't think he would process the term "shipping," but clearly by the end of this conversation i think i was wrong), that people (antis) will say things like "you should die," and that you "support inc*st in real life," and that "you're disgusting."

i also used the examples of "toxic relationships" in pop culture, like the Joker and Harley Quinn, or Kylo Ren and Rey, and how if you’re into those kinds of fictional relationships that people (antis) will say that you "support toxic relationships," and that you are "glorifying abuse," and that it all "must be what you really want and believe is right or good."

and my fucking 65-year-old father literally goes: "I don’t understand. It’s a TV show. Don't they know it’s fake?"

queue my jaw dropping to the fucking ground because i'm like. YES. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT PRO-SHIPPERS ARE TRYING TO SAY AND THESE PEOPLE DON'T GET IT.

he was flabbergasted, my pals. the shock in his eyes was incredible to behold.

and, oh boy, that isn't even the best part, guys.

my father then says, "Don’t tell me it’s like that with anime too?"

and i said, "it's worse with anime."

and i fucking swear to you - no joke, on my life and baby Jesus' cradle - again my 65-year-old father looks at me and says, “It’s a fucken cartoon."

... ... ...

... i can't ...

i can't end this post better than that.

#anti anti #anti harassment #proship #proshipper #proshipping #pro ship #pro fiction #pro shipper #pro shipping #profic #comship #proship safe #comship safe #proship positivity #anti censorship #ship discourse #fiction is not reality #fiction is fiction #ship and let ship

[whereserpentswalk]

Reblog if a Fandom would consider you "minor coded".

#196 #proship #shitpost #uwu #owo #ship discourse #nurodivergent #nurodiversity #nd #actually autistic #actually autism #autistic adult

[scopnotes]

My favorite villain dynamic right there

#shipping #ship dynamics #ship design #ship discourse #ship tropes #meme

[arsynnotarson]

im still baffled how people with "proshippers dni" in their ao3 fanfic desc / tags exist.

like, i thought it was a myth. ( /j because of course antis would do something like that )

its ao3. AO3!!!

it's an archive for the stuff wattpad and ff.net kicked off.

any by their definition, that stuff was "proship content" made by "proshippers".

you can't kick the freaks off the freak website made for freaks.

you're fighting an uphill battle, antis. if you hate proshippers so much, get off their site.

#go somewhere like wattpad #that AND i just saw a fic that could be labeled as “problematic” or whatever and in the SAME DESCRIPTION reads “proshippers dni” #???? #comship #proship #does this count as #ship discourse #profiction #ship and let ship #proship safe #comship safe #comshipper

[cosmileech]

" if you ship it, you HAVE to be attracted to it! "

I ship lesbian ships as a gay man sometimes. I also ship straight ships. I'm still gay. I don't jerk off to them. And it's very strange to me that antis cannot possibly imagine *not* rubbing yourself out to ships.

#proship #proshipping #pro fiction #ship discourse #anti anti #anti ship #anti proship #proship discourse #anti contact #antis being stupid

[am-i-the-asshole-official]

AITA For Not Tagging a Work?

I, 32F, write primarily for my own enjoyment, my main platform being AO3. I currently have a multi-chaoter series that includes several major plot twists, including one that includes non-con. To avoid spoiling it, because I believe my stories deserve to be read with as little background info as possible, I only tag it as "Creator CHOSE not to Include Archive Warnings". Which is, as I hope is obvious, is not synonymous with "There Are No Warnings". The point is, I don't use the Rape/Non-con tag. Recently, I got a very upset reader in my comments complaining about how triggering that chapter of my work is, and that's where I have a problem. I believe the corporate obsession content warnings pervading even fanworks to be a major problem. I don't want to sanitize my work, but I do get that they contain pretty heavy themes. But I feel like I seriously do give my stories a disservice by adding labels on them, and maybe I am the asshole for this, but I value my pride and joy (my work) over strangers online. AITA?

What are these acronyms?

#aita #am i the asshole #ship discourse #rape cw

[proudproship]

Antiship/anti-proship bingo, ready for any occasion :3

Just some common things I've seen within anti spaces; I could add WAY more, but I assumed that would be overkill.

No ID, because no energy + idk how to for bingo cards. Sorry :(

Interpret the card spaces however you want, since some things are worded weird.

Free to repost ANYWHERE, just don't erase/scribble my blog name at the bottom, thanks!!

Idk what else to put waaaaaaaA

#proship #anti anti #proship safe #proship please interact #profiction #profic #antis dni #comship please interact #anti harassment #comship #antiship bingo #proship bingo #proship memes #🌈🍖 #made in canva #no ID #ship discourse

[angels-heap]

we get it, you hate hlvrai. how about instead of being bitter you let people enjoy things. fr whats the point of gatekeeping a 20 year old game?

Look, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you didn't live through the 2020 fandom bullshit, because if you'd witnessed it, even peripherally, you would not have felt compelled to send this ask. So, a few things you should know:

I don't actually hate hlvrai! I genuinely enjoyed the series and still quote it regularly. I even used to enjoy some of the fan content, before the fandom exploded in popularity and there was a huge influx of mostly of very young fans (fine, but not my scene) who wanted me and most of my friends to die (bad; see below).

I'm not dreading more hlvrai content; I'm dreading the potential fallout within the fandom. Canon tags flooded with unrelated content. Wildly OOC characterizations of canon characters based on similar characters in an unrelated series. Endless racism discourse that somehow manages to affect everyone except the tiny fraction of fans who are actually being intentionally racist. Pushback against mature content for an M-rated game because "there are kids here now!!" Ship discourse. Death threats and endless harassment related to the ship discourse. Being accused of being a child predator and threatened with doxxing for shipping two grown adults in a different fandom.

A lot of really lovely people were driven out of the canon HL fandom because of bullshit instigated by hlvrai fans who either didn't know anything about the canon series, didn't care, or were learning incorrect information through "fandom telephone" and decided to take it upon themselves to rid the internet of anyone who didn't ship canon Gordon with their benrey-fied version of Barney "the right way." Can you really blame anyone for not wanting that to happen again?

Honestly, as long as the new content doesn't include too much conflicting lore/characterization related to canon HL characters and the fandom manages to behave itself, I'm excited to see more people get into Half Life. A lot of my current favorite HL artists and writers got into HL through hlvrai. This doesn't have to be a shitshow, but I don't think it's unreasonable to worry that it might become one.

TL;DR: Nobody really wants to "gatekeep" a 20 year old game series. We just want to be able to continue talking about the series and creating fanworks without being bombarded with unrelated content, death and doxxing threats, and baseless accusations that could ruin our actual, offline lives.

#asks #anon #ship discourse

[dead-pidoves-dirt-takes]

when you dictate what CANNOT be written, there’s a subtle implication that there are things you SHOULD write.

And it’s really no surprise that these things are wholesome, widely-palatable and vanilla relationships that leave no room for diversion.

#discourse #proship #ship discourse

[yomi-hellsimp]

Antis need to stop acting like we're the only weird ones when they're saying shit like this. This is over a fictional character btw. Diluc from Genshin.

[Image ID: Two twitter screenshots. Twitter user saying "at the end of the day, you're still claiming to be the wife of someone who: 1. doesn't know you, 2. will never know you, and 3. can't reciprocate the feeling. that's textbook parasociality." And then says "yeah because it's worth examining why you attach yourself to characters who, being fictional, don't have the capacity to reject you". End ID]

#proship #discourse #ship discourse #fandom #anti anti #anti harassment #antis #I hate antis #antis are stupid