bewareofdeaddove

[bewareofdeaddove]

defending a self admitted PRO CONTACT pedophile is fucking crazy you are literal proof proshipper culture is a safe haven for predators. kill yourself

yayy my first suibaiting anon. i actually would like to see where they said they were a pedophile and where they said they were pro contact but no one can even give me that... so... shrug!

#asks #its really easy to give proof and have me agree with you but no one can provide the proof so i havent agreed. it is so awesome and easy! #also im not a proshipper

[bewareofdeaddove]

@spacehell69

I'm going to be very clear that I'm not defending them, I'm just asking for proof where there is none. Being an actual predator is an extremely serious accusation to make, and I don't think there's enough proof for any of you to make that accusation. I'm sorry that you find that this makes me a "pedo defender," but I'm not changing my mind on this.

However, you're not allowed to call me "crazy." I'm literally just asking for proof, which is entirely reasonable. You reacting so violently to an accusation that you don't see the gaping holes in the evidence does not make me crazy. I'm simply asking for more proof; if no one can give it, then I'm not going to believe you, plain and simple.

I think this just shows off nicely why I find this reaction to my reblog laughable at best. Like, way to go; you've just shown me that you're pro-cop. You got me there. Time to go get arrested for... what, asking for proof on a callout post? I've literally done nothing wrong. I'm a minor, too, so you can't even accuse me of pedophilia or get me arrested for it, lol.

It's kind of crazy to me how self-proclaimed leftists immediately call for your arrest if you dare offer any questioning to their predator accusations.

Your call-out isn't saving any kids.

#reblog #no id sorry im in a bit of pain right now and i dont feel like it

[bewareofdeaddove]

Hey. I'd like to have posted this in replies instead of a reblog but replies are disabled, so... here it is.

I'd like if you could explain to me how any of the screenshots posted make Ezra a pro-contact zoo/pedophile? Because, well, if you go through these with any kind of benefit-of-the-doubt lense... I dunno, it just doesn't seem like he's being an actual danger to children or animals in any of these.

First of all, yes. I'm acknowledging that his bio says he's a zoo. I'm not denying that, by his own admission, he's a zoophile. I'm not going to get into my own feelings in regards to paraphilia in this post because that's not the point, but I will acknowledge it explicitly here so you can't say I'm ignoring it.

Now, I'm not going to pretend that everyone is going to feel this way, because clearly that's not the case, but I personally don't black out when I see the suffix "phile". I think there's far more nuance to the situation than someone either being "evil danger to real-life animals" or "has never even had a bad thought about an animal ever". So I'd like to come at this from that perspective— why is any of this proof that he's a pro-contact zoophile or a danger to real-life animals?

(id in alt text)

This is one of the screenshots in the Twitter thread— the only one that I could see being evidence of Ezra being pro-contact in regards to zoophilia. Mostly because it references "zoosex".

However... this still isn't evidence at all, really. I watched the video in question. It's a series of images with a overarching "fuck you haters" theme set to music. It's really a meme video more than anything. Ezra liking this video and sharing it does not equal Ezra advocating for pro-contact zoophilia, like, at all. Here's the link, so you can watch it for yourself if you don't believe me. (pt: here's the link, so you can watch it for yourself if you don't believe me. the text links to the aforementioned "zoosex haters are fucken stupid" video. end pt)

So, knowing that, what else is there to suggest Ezra being a pro-contact zoophile...?

(id in alt text)

This is the evidence offered by the author of the Twitter thread to show that Ezra is a "yap"— youth-attracted person. At least, I think that's why this screenshot was added-? It's really not clear.

Going with that, though, this has one major issue as evidence to Ezra being a pedophile. It these are symbols for cub content.

For those who don't know, cub content is fictional furry creations that involve young, feral characters. It's fictional. It even specifies ficto-yaps later on in the post. Everything here is fictional— and thus, no one is being hurt. This, therefore, doesn't prove that Ezra is a pedophile at all.

The rest of the posts hinge on the idea that Ezra is either the creator of offkey.cat, or a head admin for the site. This idea is put forward by the author of the Twitter thread. There is no evidence given for either. I will be taking this accusation with a grain of salt.

(id in alt text)

Now, I'm not going to really get into anything here because it's not the point of the post. Even if I do find it ridiculous to suggest that the 17 year old here is, what, in danger because of this joke being sexual? I've made jokes like this before, I'm not an adult, it was fine then and I don't think it's that big of a deal here. Sorry. Tangent over, though.

I do feel wary sharing this because it could incite harrassment of the minor involved, which would just be harassing someone believed to be a victim. So... I will leave it there.

This is being used as evidence for Ezra allowing inappropriate adult/minor interactions on the site.

I don't think this proves anything because there is zero evidence that Ezra saw, acknowledged, and allowed this interaction to take place. Simply put, these are two people that Ezra has no visible involvement with.

Even if Ezra is an admin on the site, it doesn't mean that they see everything that goes on. There is no reason to believe that Ezra saw this interaction, full stop.

(id in alt text)

This is yet another screenshot from yet another unrelated user who Ezra has no evidence of interacting with.

I honestly don't have anything else to add to this. Transrace content on the site is obviously a bad look, and racism should never be tolerated at all, but... there's just no evidence that Ezra has ever even seen this post.

(id in alt text)

Supposedly, the user shown in this post is an alter of Ezra's. I don't know how true that is. Like the rest of the accusations in this post, there's no proof... I don't know what to believe, really. So let's go under the assumption that the original Tweet author is correct about that.

Unfortunately this is very vague. There is no context as to what discussion this is in response to, I don't know if it's about being pro-contact in regards to pedophilia or if it's just general pro-contact opinions. This makes it really hard for me to believe that any of this is an argument for Ezra being pro-contact as a pedophile. There hasn't been any evidence so far that Ezra even is a pedophile; I think that's the most glaring flaw about all of this. Ezra's headmate isn't even saying that they ARE pro-contact here.

Due to how vague this screenshot is, I can't accept it as evidence for anything. Instead, I'm going to look towards what Ezra has actually, explicitly said in regards to the topic. And that could not be clearer.

(id in alt text)

I think this is more solid in terms of evidence towards Ezra's stance on contact than anything in the Twitter thread, to be completely frank with you.

So, please— if there is actual evidence that shows that Ezra is a danger to real-life children and animals, do show me. Because as of now? This is nonsense.

(id in alt text)

Hey kidcore/furry people, @toonimal or @critterkiddo on twitter was recently outed as a pro-contact pedophile and zoophile along with talking sexually to/about children on so PLEASE, please be safe and block him.

twitter post here.

#last screenshot included because i feel as though its relevant #seriously this post is not doing anything but gaining harrassment towards this person over something they did not even do. theres no #thing to show that they actually hurt any children or animals or that theyre even interacting with children. #either provide evidence or dont spread lies around come on #being pro-contact and simply being a zoophile are NOT the same thing and you need to stop blacking out and going on crusades against #random internet users just because you see the suffix 'phile' and decide that theyre evil and dangerous. #and before you try to accuse me of anything: i am not a zoophile i am not a pedophile i do not support contact with animals or children by #big three paraphiles. im actually a minor believe it or not #and im sincerely asking you to provide evidence or stop lying #reblog #zoophilia #pedophilia #callout #zero clue where the idea of this person being a pedophile even came from... if you say its because they like diapers i will laugh in your #face

[bewareofdeaddove]

you guys gotta try becoming more and more radically inclusive because not only will it make you not-an-asshole-to-random-people it'll also improve your own quality of life immensely. i'm so much happier with myself now.

[bewareofdeaddove]

@ Recent ex-antis: pro-shippers are not perfect, either. Pro-shippers still harrass people.

When I was an anti, I moderated an anti-ship Discord server. The rules of the server (im)politely asked pro-shippers to leave; the space wasn't for them.

When I moderated the server, I was sent all sorts of things in attempts to trigger me. I was sent images of self-harm. I was sent loli and shota porn. I was spammed with transphobic and racist images until I banned the people joining. People joined the server just to try to turn us against each other, lying about what members of the server liked and believed in to try and sow discord amongst us.

Obviously, we weren't the greatest people, let's be honest. It was a server full of anti-shippers. But that is no excuse to do the things those pro-shippers did.

Pro-shippers claim to be anti-harrassment, but it isn't always true. Be careful of who you interact with. And, as always, harrassment is never acceptable, no matter who it's directed towards.

#shipcourse #ex anti #proship #proshipper #scheduled post

[bewareofdeaddove]

Anti-shippers, you need to learn to treat the other side as people.

This is coming from someone who used to be entrenched in anti-ship spaces as a young teenager. The negative reaction to the word "pro-ship" was so violent, so strong, that any hope of civil discussion with or good faith towards anyone who identified as pro-ship was immediately dashed to pieces.

This problem still persists today. Pro-ship doesn't mean "pedophile". It doesn't mean "groomer". It doesn't mean anything like that. Pro-ship means "ship and let ship". Pro-ship means "your kink is not my kink". And pro-ship means minding your own business in regards to what people do with fiction.

I'm sorry, but I know damn well that anti-shippers lie. They play a broken game of telephone with each other, and they lie about what pro-ship means until none of them really know. I used to do this; I would tell people who hadn't heard about ship discourse that pro-shippers were groomers who made up a normal-sounding community term in order to prey on children. That is simply not true. I deeply regret having lied. I deeply regret the harm that has come to people because of the things I've said and the communities I've been in.

And anti-shippers, you should, too.

Pro-shippers aren't lying about what the term means. They're explicitly telling you what the definition of pro-ship is. They tell you, in no uncertain terms, what they believe in.

Who would you ask if you wanted to know the definition of, say, a career? Would you ask a firefighter what a zookeeper does? No, you wouldn't. Even further, you shouldn't be asking people who are directly hostile to a group what they think the group believes in. You ask the group itself, plain and simple.

You cannot allow yourself to be so buried in this discourse that you see the word pro-ship and black out. These are people who are being quite open and honest about what they believe in. The label shouldn't make you see red.

The label should not make you attack people. These are real-life humans on the other side of the screen— not some nebulous representation of bad morals that you have to go after until you feel like your anti-ship friends would be happy with it. In doing so you are tormenting real people and it is completely fucking unacceptable.

You need to step back and take a break. You have to see pro-shippers as people. Maybe then you'll make some actual damn progress in each of your arguments, at the very least.

#grooming mention #pedophile mention #ship discourse #anti ship #antiship #anti proship #<- because reaching antis is the point of this post #proship #pro ship #anti anti #neutralship

[bewareofdeaddove]

If someone says that they are neutral on ship discourse, this does not mean that they secretly agree with the side you oppose.

If someone says they don't feel like they have enough information to have a solid opinion on ship discourse, this does not mean that they secretly agree with the side you oppose.

If someone says they are uncomfortable with ship discourse, this does not mean that they secretly agree with the side you oppose.

Discourse is draining. It can be stressful or downright triggering to engage with. Someone choosing not to engage with discourse is not a moral failing, and it does not mean that they don’t care.

#reblog

[bewareofdeaddove]

many people see “pedophiles” as a type of villain to wish infinite angry death upon, as opposed to recognizing CSA as a preventable form of abuse. the former buys into moral panic and punitive justice; the latter is actionable, helpful, and much needed

when i went to conservative christian hell school, all we heard about was the evil scary men who wanted to snatch us up on the street. we learned about csa through strange, coded language. we were not taught how to talk about our bodies, and we were not taught what sex was. eventually, i was groomed and assaulted. so were an alarming number of my peers, often by teachers and religious leaders

then, as an adult, i got the opportunity to work at a summer camp. we developed an actionable plan to prevent campers from being alone with adult volunteers; we advocated for all of our campers to learn appropriate body part language; we led discussions about boundaries and consent; we answered questions about sex with honesty, care, and age-appropriate detail. and it was safe! the one time we identified shady behavior, there were so many safety nets and protocols in place that it never became a real issue.

so, having been in both situations, it’s frustrating to see 46387 threads a day of people angrily, viciously tearing apart the mere idea of a pedophile without ever stopping to ask “hey, what can we do about this? in real life? like, what are the advocates advocating for right now?”

i hate to break it to you, but 18+ daddy kink genshin yaoi (sorry idk i’m out of touch) isn’t the issue here, and it’s kind of silly and terminally online to pretend that it is. i would argue that adult-only erotica servers that block minors aren’t as big of a threat as, you know, “minor safe!! we are very safe for minors :) and we HATE the mean nasty scary people” communities that have a piss poor accountability system and no real mechanism for preventing abuse. there’s a huge difference between “weird gross thing that grosses me out” and “unsafe situation,” and the latter is far more worth emphasizing

#reblog #csa mention

[bewareofdeaddove]

i can guess that the reason that someone would put a ridiculous sounding sentence like ‘dni anti harassment’ in their bio would probably be because (in my experience) a lot of people that call themselves anti harassment literally only do it to allow themselves to be annoying in other ways without having to take responsibility for it. like honestly back when i had a dni list a few years ago the only proshippers who ever repeatedly tried to message me after i asked them not to were the ones that called themselves anti harassment because they just framed what they do as being like them just being curious and asking questions and wanting to have a discussion etc when in reality the stuff they were doing was far from that. so i could see why someone would put that in their list even though it sounds incredibly stupid. i wish the people that call themselves anti harassment were ALL actually anti harassment the world would be a much nicer place :/ and also i wouldnt have had to deal with half of the useless discourse shit that people would deliberately try to involve me in. so yeah i think the ‘dni anti harassment’ thing would just be because some people slap that label on without it actually applying to themselves

i think its sad that theres people that are ACTUALLY anti harassment that get drowned out by all the people that use that label insincerely and do everything short of sending death threats. ‘anti harassment’ should surely be one of the labels that would have an easier to agree on meaning but somehow it isnt, i think thats just a general problem with everything to do with stupid shipcourse though because none of these people can agree on what anything means lmao

Posting without comment because I don't have anything to add, but I do really appreciate the addition.

#ask #This makes sense to me! Thank you for sharing your experience #I hadn’t really thought of that but you're right.

[bewareofdeaddove]

Your personal triggers and squicks do not get to determine what kind of art other people make.

People make shit. It's what we do. We make shit to explore, to inspire, to explain, to understand, but also to cope, to process, to educate, to warn, to go, "hey, wouldn't that be fucked up? Wild, right?"

Yes, sure, there are things that should be handled with care if they are used at all. But plenty more things are subjective. Some things are just not going to be to your tastes. So go find something that is to your tastes and stop worrying so much about what other people are doing and trying to dictate universal moral precepts about art based on your personal triggers and squicks.

I find possession stories super fucking triggering if I encounter them without warning, especially if they function as a sexual abuse metaphor. I'm not over here campaigning for every horror artist to stop writing possession stories because they make me feel shaky and dissociated. I just check Does The Dog Die before watching certain genres, and I have my husband or roommate preview anything I think might upset me so they can give me more detail. And if I genuinely don't think I can't handle it, I don't watch it. It's that simple.

#reblog

[bewareofdeaddove]

Teaching children thinking bad thoughts about someone is the same thing as murdering that person is fucked up. 

Thought crime doesn’t exist. No one has ever been harmed or killed by someone thinking negative thoughts about them. 

You know what has harmed people though? Teaching them they are evil for things they can’t control. Especially those who have intrusive thoughts. 

Here’s for everyone who has been taught their thoughts make them evil.

Intrusive thoughts are not your secret desires. 

They are involuntary. 

You don’t need to be ashamed of them. 

They will pass.

You are not committing taboo. 

No one can read your mind.

No one will ever know what’s in your thoughts unless you feel like telling them.

No one can judge you for what you are thinking, whether voluntarily or involuntarily.

Your thoughts are private

You are not a bad person.

#reblog

[bewareofdeaddove]

I mean, come on. At some point, you have to realize that putting "anyone against harrassment" in your DNI makes you sound like the bad guy.

I honestly don't understand DNIs in the sense of how most people seem to use them.

In what world, I ask you, is someone going to self-identify as a racist, see your Carrd on Tumblr, read your DNI before interacting with you, and think, "damn, they have racists in their DNI. I guess I can't interact."

People don't self-identify as bigots. People who spread bigoted rhetoric often don't realize that they are being bigoted, or they refuse to acknowledge it. Anyone who would would certainly not respect a DNI. What's the point? It just seems performative to me.

Don't even get me started on "basic DNI criteria." Man, I don't know what you consider basic. That's why you have a DNI! You're the one who decides what's basic, and you can't just say "basic DNI" and expect me to know what that means. Those "basic DNI criteria" Carrds are even worse— you can read through them and absolutely feel the hypocrisy oozing off of it. No exclus, but also no bi-lesbians. And the "etc"s. It's bad.

Even with that, I don't know what anyone means when they say "interact." If I'm not supposed to interact, am I just not supposed to like any post? Or are you fine with me reblogging and liking as long as I don't message you or send any asks? Do you just want me to not acknowledge your existence at all? Does scrolling without interacting with any posts count as interaction?

How are you planning on stopping anyone from going through your blog? How are you planning on reinforcing your DNI in any real way?

Not to mention how it all seems to fall out the window when someone wants to interact with someone on their own DNI. Like, if a "pro-ship DNI" anti wants to send death threats to a pro-shipper, suddenly the DNI means nothing.

What's the point?

#source: 'basic dni criteria' carrd #discourse #fandom #rant

[bewareofdeaddove]

I honestly don't understand DNIs in the sense of how most people seem to use them.

In what world, I ask you, is someone going to self-identify as a racist, see your Carrd on Tumblr, read your DNI before interacting with you, and think, "damn, they have racists in their DNI. I guess I can't interact."

People don't self-identify as bigots. People who spread bigoted rhetoric often don't realize that they are being bigoted, or they refuse to acknowledge it. Anyone who would would certainly not respect a DNI. What's the point? It just seems performative to me.

Don't even get me started on "basic DNI criteria." Man, I don't know what you consider basic. That's why you have a DNI! You're the one who decides what's basic, and you can't just say "basic DNI" and expect me to know what that means. Those "basic DNI criteria" Carrds are even worse— you can read through them and absolutely feel the hypocrisy oozing off of it. No exclus, but also no bi-lesbians. And the "etc"s. It's bad.

Even with that, I don't know what anyone means when they say "interact." If I'm not supposed to interact, am I just not supposed to like any post? Or are you fine with me reblogging and liking as long as I don't message you or send any asks? Do you just want me to not acknowledge your existence at all? Does scrolling without interacting with any posts count as interaction?

How are you planning on stopping anyone from going through your blog? How are you planning on reinforcing your DNI in any real way?

Not to mention how it all seems to fall out the window when someone wants to interact with someone on their own DNI. Like, if a "pro-ship DNI" anti wants to send death threats to a pro-shipper, suddenly the DNI means nothing.

What's the point?

#discourse #fandom #rant

[bewareofdeaddove]

Once you start harassing people over their tastes in fiction, you've gone too far.

You should not be sending anon hate.

You should not be telling people to kill themselves.

You should not be contacting people's family members, job, or school.

You should not be sending people gore.

You should not be telling people that they deserve their trauma.

You should not be attacking people over liking something fictional. At that point, you're the problem. Not the person making things you don't like, YOU. Harassment is never acceptable.

#anti anti #pro ship #profiction #proship #anti ship #antiship #neutralship #neutral ship #ship discourse #fandom

[bewareofdeaddove]

hello! since this is a discourse blog, introducing myself isn't a priority, but i'll do it anyway.

you can call me whatever name you want on this blog. i'm a minor. i use it/its pronouns. i will provide tw tags simply: no "tw" or "cw", just, for example, "blood" or "queerphobia". please block tags you're uncomfortable with!

i have no dni; i believe in fostering open and good faith discussion on this blog, as that's the point of making it! telling me to kill myself will get you blocked.

as a quick tl;dr before i conveniently list out some of my opinions: i am against harrassment and censorship, and i don't care what people decide to write fanfiction about or draw.

i am wholly against any form of harrassment. this includes calling people pedos for fictional ships, telling people to kill themselves, and anything else. if you really hate someone's posts, complain in private with your friends like everyone else does, don't harrass people.

i am wholly against censorship. media, no matter how bad or "irredeemable", always has a right to exist. all art has inherent value.

i don't judge people's morals over fictional content. as long as whatever you're posting is tagged properly and can be blocked if neccessary, it's not my business.

fiction and reality are not equal, but do have some effect on each other. i, of course, have issues with trends in media that, for example, downplay abuse and sexualize/"adult-ify" teenagers, but fanfiction is, like, the very end of that chain. it doesn't affect anyone. because of that, i don't care about it.

i don't care what you make if it doesn't hurt anyone, but being a bigot in your fiction does hurt people. the way people behave towards fictional characters, i.e. racist comments towards characters of color, can still be bigoted. it doesn't hurt the characters (obviously) but it does hurt real people, and that's where i draw the line.

i only have an issue with fanworks when they begin to perpetuate actual, real-life bigotry. this leads into my next point...

what are your personal limits regarding fiction?

aren't you basically pro-ship, then? well, yeah, i guess. i don't identify with the pro-ship label for many reasons, though. most of all, though, i don't want people to put words in my mouth; i have no desire to be called a pedophile because of the pro-ship label. i have no desire to have people assume that i want terrible things to happen in real life over internet discourse. i will never tolerate these accusations, and i don't use the label in order to avoid the possibility. you can call me whatever you want, though.

i don't particularly like anti-shippers. this is mostly from experience. i have been deeply entrenched in anti-ship communities, and i have come to only think one thing of them: the people themselves have good intentions, but the mindsets they foster are incredibly harmful. i'm open to discussion about this.

i avoid anti-shippers because of their tendency to harrass people, also. like... big tendency. community-built-on-the-idea level tendency. pro-shippers also harrass people, which is another reason i choose not to label myself as one. this i know from experience.

as a general rule, i am uncomfortable with:

shipcest

minor/adult ships

lolisho content (i have complex feelings on it, but i'm just uncomfortable with it as a whole and ask that it not be brought up with me)

rpf, but i only draw a hard line at rpf of minors and generally tolerate everything else, however begrudgingly.

i am fine with:

aging up underage fictional characters

selfcest (although i usually call it selfslash for comfort)

"rpf" of fictionalized versions of real-life people, like idk, hamilton characters.

just about anything else, honestly. we'll see about specifics.

in addition, my boundaries for this blog are as follows:

i will not respond to anon hate, including anything with death threats or anything accusing me of, like, being a pedo.

i will try not to reblog from people who have neutrals in their dni (as that's what i consider myself), but i don't really check dni pages, so i might make mistakes in that regard.

i will not reveal personal information about myself to justify my opinions.

#pinned post #pro ship #proship #profiction #neutralship #neutral ship #ship discourse #<- Ok