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zingaplanet · 6 months
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Here's my take on the loki finale and why Mobius is the only one of the gang who didn't seem to have a conclusive, 'hopeful' ending.
Can't predict what the writers are thinking but the way I understand it is it's a hint that there's no version of reality where Loki is not there with him that will ever leave him fulfilled.
"Most purpose is more burden than glory," he said.
Others are shown finally having the choice to pursue their own "glory"/hope/ happiness. B-15 finds her purpose to lead and protect something she believes in, O.B. gets to live out his science fiction dream, writing a book of a place he now knows to be true and care about.
The end scene with Mobius and Sylvie is fascinating, for instance, because it shows the contrast between them both. Sylvie is different, she's reconstructed her own reality, found her own happines, lived a whole new life in the timeline without Loki or anyone.
But Mobius is the realist out of them all.
Mobius said before that he'd rather not know about his life before as it's easier not to, that the TVA is his whole life, that that's where he belongs. When the TVA changed, he finally left, but now he's there in front of the life he's supposed to have but he's in no hurry to go back, content to just "let the time pass."
I think he knows no matter which purpose he chose, whether at the TVA or getting his memory reinstalled back to him for a life on the timeline, there will always be a 'burden', something left lurking behind.
Maybe he realises he doesn't have a place 'he belongs to' anymore.
Perhaps it also dawns on him then, that it's never about the how (the TVA is changed now, no more prunings, no more sacred timeline, he would've done something he'd morally believe in if he stayed),
or the what (the jet skis, his garden, even his family, it could never be the same. It's incomplete, with all the burden of eons of memories behind him, and the lost of someone who made it possible)
or even the why (he's driven by 'the bigger picture', it's his one saving grace, the one thing he holds on to. He spent eons doing the same thing over and over, protecting the sacred timeline and what he believes to be true, when that turned out to be a bust, he turned his life upside down to protect his new purpose, the multiverse, but all of it is still to waste, they couldn't do it still, not without sacrificing-)
In the end, that wasn't what it's all about. The reason this whole madness started was because of one simple act of his, an insignificant character, to save someone, to be willing to take the leap in trusting one that everyone always dooms to fail. To tell that person, who never had anyone believe in him before, that they could "be anyone they want to be, even someone good."
It was never about the universe. Loki was right. It was never about the how, the what, or the why.
All along,
It was always about the who.
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holdfastperseus · 5 months
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Something I’ve noticed is that when it comes to Sylvie it’s always someone else pointing out how Loki feels. In S1 we have mobius telling Loki he fell for her, then we have Brad saying he’s way to obsessed with her, lastly we have HWR himself call him lover boy. But with Mobius it’s all from him. Loki time slipping again and again to Mobius, Loki knowing exactly what Mobius needs when he’s upset, Loki blasting Brad several feet away because he shouted at Mobius, Loki eating food he doesn’t like because Mobius likes it, Loki riding a tandem bike just because Mobius gave him that head tilt, Loki choosing to follow Mobius again and again, Loki defending Mobius and comparing him to Jane, Loki saying Mobius saved his life, Loki doing a fit check before going to see Don, Loki acting like a teenage girl when he introduces himself to his crush Don, Loki who was in a time crunch but still managed to get “it looks like Mobius” because he remembered their argument about the suit shape, Loki who remembers everything Mobius has ever said to him, Loki who looked at Mobius as he said “it was more about what I wanted”, Loki who looked at Mobius for 10 seconds before saying “it’s about who, who I care about”, Loki saying goodbye to Mobius and not letting his hand go until the very last moment, Loki watching Mobius the second he stepped foot outside of the TVA to see his timeline self, Loki who heard him saying let time pass and finding comfort in it.
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alicerovai · 7 months
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What is a man without his past? Mobius is a simple, middle-aged man who doesn’t know anything about himself. He’s empty, his only purpose has been the TVA for what he can remember. Then he met Loki (when he met him, it’s starting to be a point) and his glorious purpose suddenly became Loki. We can surely believe Loki is his only true friend. But, Mobius doesn’t know himself. He doesn’t know who he is. I mean: we all know who we are, where we came from, why we’re here right now, what we are now because of what we were before. A man who doesn’t know his past, is nothing. Brad was right, after all, even if his words were meant to be cruel. Mobius is suffering, it’s clear. Was that the right moment to eat a pie? Certainly not. But if Sylvie wasn’t there, Loki would have probably let Mobius eat the pie. For what it may helps, sometimes kindness and patience (two things Mobius knows very well) are the right response. Your friend is passing through a hard moment, let’s get him a pie, like Loki did in episode 2. Why not? Why not be kind? Was Mobius escaping? No, he wasn’t. In that moment they couldn’t do anything to fix the situation. Was that the wrong moment to ask for that pie? Yes, it was. Is that a reason to scream at him he’s selfish, that because he didn’t look for his own timeline that means he doesn’t care about anything? Fucking no. That’s the worst thing Sylvie could have said, and I swear, nothing will never make me appreciate her, not even a little bit. I’ve never liked her since the very beginning but this time she crossed a line. Since when does she care about the timelines and the TVA? She’s the freaking only reason they all are in this mess. Not this man below. This man below is just more alone than before, because he’s now fully convinced Loki left him behind because he agreed with the blonde variant and instead Loki is going to shut her mouth, telling her the wisest things. But Mobius doesn’t know Loki understands him. Mobius doesn’t know anything yet he’s always supportive and kind and the worst thing he has done in this show has been slapping a brat on the face and then calling him a “silly little man”.
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percheduphere · 5 months
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Hi, I’m @loki-us and if you ever need inspiration, I’ve always been curious to see someone do an analysis of this scene from 2x2, because I believe it’s the only time that Sylki is mentioned/referenced in season 2 and I can never tell how Mobius is feeling here — his words sound a bit bitter/jealous but it also might be showing that he’s accepted Loki’s interest in someone else and just wants him to be happy like Mobius did when he came to let Loki out of the time cell in 1x4 ?? I keep thinking about this scene and would be interested to hear your thoughts if you ever run out of ideas. Love all of your analyses, thanks!
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Mm ... I love doing analysis dealing with specific scenes! Thank you for the ask @loki-us!
Before we get into this specific scene, it's important to highlight that at the beginning of this episode (S2E2), Loki assumes that a film premiere in London 1977 "isn't Sylvie's style" because it isn't apocalyptic or chaotic enough. Yet the audience knows that Sylvie is now living a quiet life in the midwest, working at McDonald's. This signals to the audience that Loki, despite being the same as Sylvie, doesn't understand what she really wants.
When Loki, Mobius, and Brad enter the McDonald's, Sylvie's automatic reaction upon seeing them is understandably fear.
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From Sylvie's point-of-view, it's likely a couple years have passed (based on her hair length) between the time she kicked Loki through the time door and the time she established herself in Broxton, Oklahoma 1982. She no doubt did not expect Loki to find her.
A confrontation with her ex is bad enough, but Loki also has with him one of the highest ranked agents at the TVA, Mobius. Next to Mobius, she sees a man in a TVA jumpsuit and collar. All of this must signal to Sylvie that she is about to be apprehended.
Mobius, who is high on emotional intelligence, seems to recognize what this might look like.
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Mobius therefore puts on a friendly smile. He then slides his hands into his pockets and assumes a slack posture to show he is no threat. He avoids using his trademark "dominant pose" of placing his hands on his hips, which may come across as authoritative and intimidating in this context.
Mobius's micro-emotions and attention in the gif below are subtle but interesting. Though his body language remains relaxed, his smile from earlier fades to a neutral expression, and his gaze darts between Brad, Sylvie, and Loki. He is likely assessing a few things at once: how likely Brad might flee, how Loki is feeling, how Sylvie is feeling, and if the confrontation between Loki and Sylvie poses any risks.
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Once Loki arrives at the counter and it's established no physical harm is forthcoming, Mobius adjourns for lunch with Brad.
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While Loki and Sylvie are outside, it is Brad, not Mobius, who questions the nature of Loki and Sylvie's relationship.
Unlike S1E4, Mobius's response is mild, reluctantly supportive, and frustrated.
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The scene is meant to be played for humor, which it certainly accomplishes. However, the way Owen delivers the line, "They say opposites attract. No" sounds jealous. Through this line, the audience can infer from subtext that Mobius sees himself as Loki's opposite, and therefore it is Mobius who should be the most likely candidate for mutual attraction. He is annoyed to be reminded that isn't the case.
The micro-emotions Owen performs after this line are a treat to observe as well: Mobius shakes his head, comfort drinks, pauses, and stares. Whatever is happening between Loki and Sylvie outside is of blatant interest to him, and like Brad he jumps to the conclusion that the pair are still romantically involved. But because Mobius cares about Loki's happiness, he chooses not to interfere. Unfortunately, he can't stop looking on in envy either.
Envy creates resentment over time. Having Brad as a companion-observer briefly provides Mobius with someone who is safe to vent to. With Brad, he allows himself to be a little bit of an asshole, and may be internally throwing himself a small pity party while he can.
As of this is episode, I think it is fair to believe that Loki still has some feelings for Sylvie, but those feelings are not mutual. By the end of this episode, once Sylvie leaves and refuses to help, Loki's romantic feelings for her appear to fade.
Unbeknownst to Mobius, they quietly blossom in his favor.
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northrnfool · 7 months
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Here’s my take on Lokius, because I’m seeing a lot of posts with people saying they just see friendship there.
You’re pointing out a key ingredient in a good love story: it is a friendship at it’s core. As my girl Scully once said on The X Files, “Well, it seems to me that the best relationships - the ones that last - are frequently the ones that are rooted in friendship. You know, one day you look at the person and you see something more than you did the night before. Like a switch has been flicked somewhere. And the person who was just a friend is... suddenly the only person you can ever imagine yourself with.”
A real love story is about connection, trust, reliability, communication, bringing out the best in the other person. And Loki and Mobius tick every one of those boxes off. Also, the chemistry is off the charts, so that definitely helps.
When I look back on Loki’s history, on his relationships (and he’s probably the only character in Marvel that I’ve cared about through the whole MCU run), he’s never had someone who is capable of keeping a cool head around him, of consistently not falling for his tricks, who’s seen his entire life and has compassion for him, who not only doesn’t see him as a villain but actually sees the best he’s capable of. Who is capable of actually building trust with Loki - TRUST! Loki actually trusting someone and being trustworthy back! Someone who can calm Loki down with a touch (a lot of touching, actually. Wow) and a few words. Who is willing to put his own life on the line because he believes in Loki. To sum up, Mobius is everything that Loki needs in a partner. And Loki, in return, brings the spark, the push to find the truth, the desire to actually live, to Mobius.
Even going back to a comment I made a few days ago: On Our Flag Means Death, Stede asks Mary what it feels like to be in love and she says, “It's just like breathing. He understands my idiosyncrasies. We expose each other to new things, new ideas. And we laugh a lot. We just pass the time so well. I'd call those things love.” I see all of that in their relationship.
So… yeah…. I very much doubt Marvel will make them canon, but I really don’t care. There’s a beautiful love story there, no matter what.
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the-bi-fangirl-biatch · 6 months
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Loki accepted loneliness and isolation to watch over the love of his life and his friends!!!! like in episode 5, he thought mobius and the others would be okay without him, so he just let them go live in their own place in the timeline. EVEN IF it meant living without them.
same thing here. he goes off to guard the timelines to take care of his friends and his only consolation is that they're all happy and okay, living and moving on. casey, ob, and b15 are running the TVA properly. sylvie happily moves on and walks away, finally free to live on her own terms.
who doesn't? Mobius.
he leaves the only thing he's ever known. he stands there, watching his life on the timeline with melancholy and loneliness. and he "let's time pass". why? because like sylvie said right before she left him, it's "weird without loki". it's not the same for Mobius, without the person whose life he studied, who he grew to care about and believe in.
so loki fulfills his glorious purpose. so does casey, ob, b15, and sylvie. while mobius takes a pause to search for his own. and yet loki and mobius are both sad and alone at the end.
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atomicradiogirl · 6 months
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welcome to my TED talk about the beauty of the loki soundtrack and how natalie holt is proving the theory that it’s all about mobius and loki (lokius):
obviously let’s start with the piece ‘lokius’ which we know my thoughts on but this sets up the overall theme of this discussion. in a general summary of my previous TED talk, i claimed that lokius is all about mobius since the piece is mainly composed of his musical theme and the fact that he was literally jealous and discrediting sylvie and loki in that scene. it was all about him in that moment. but they could have easily left this theme as is.
however, natalie holt goes on to repurpose and interpolate the ‘lokius’ musical theme throughout the season 2 soundtrack especially in the show’s finale which is the culmination of loki’s arc. loki and mobius’ relationship grew over season 2 to the point where the last person who ever saw and truly saw loki was mobius.
in the score ‘complex and many’ in loki and mobius’ final goodbye scene, it’s a variation of ‘lokius’ that plays, not anything else. no other score of this magnitude plays when he says goodbye to anyone else, not even sylvie. this is the pivotal emotional climax because loki and mobius’ relationship is the core and heart of the show and to his character. loki would not have been able to sacrifice himself nor have the compassion to do it without mobius. loki gave mobius the choice to live and find his glorious purpose but the show ends with mobius waiting, letting time pass, because he’s alone now just like loki. so he’ll wait for loki to return.
this brings me to the score ‘purpose is glorious’ the final montage sequence in the loki finale. it’s such a beautiful score and it plays over everyone finding their purpose except for mobius who the score cuts out right as we see him stand in front of his sacred timeline home watching his true self play with his children. everyone finds purpose except for mobius. but the piece takes from ‘lokius.’ everyone found purpose because of mobius and his love and care for loki, except for mobius. which is the tragic irony.
finally we talk about the final score in the show, ‘history is now’ which takes elements from ‘loki’s green theme’ and ‘lokius.’ don’t believe me? the underlying violins in the ‘history is now’ is like ripped right from the violins in ‘lokius.’ and ‘history is now’ is the final time we see loki and mobius. mobius letting time pass, loki accepting his glorious purpose.
so in conclusion, it’s always been about mobius and for mobius. it’s always been lokius’ story. even since season one. and the loki soundtrack ITSELF proves this. don’t believe me? just listen.
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mimisempai · 6 months
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A time for everything
Summary
Loki was at peace with himself. He had sacrificed himself of his own free will to give everyone the chance to live as they chose. 
As he watches over the timelines, he's grown accustomed to living with the void left by the loss of his friends and one person in particular. 
But unexpected help may change the course of events.
Notes
POV of Loki reuniting with Mobius and the continuation of their story together.
On Ao3
Rating G - 2020 words
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"Let the time pass."
Mobius' voice echoed up to him, flying through the timelines, louder than all the other voices.
Loki smiled slightly, closed his eyes, swallowed his tears and exhaled deeply.
He had so much time now.
At the heart of the temporal flux, he felt all the lives that could continue to exist, free.
He had done what he had to do for all of them. 
Never again would anyone be eliminated, wiped out, replaced because they hadn't followed the path that determined their destiny.  
Never again would anyone's memory be erased because they had made the wrong choice, the wrong decision.
There would be no more fate. No more destiny. No more predestined choice.
"You could be whoever or whatever you wanted."
Now they could all be whoever or whatever they wanted. 
Good or bad. Hero or villain.
Not because someone else decided.
Free to choose and live with the consequences of their choices.
That was what he had done for them and for himself.
And since it was about living with the consequences of your choices, Loki, alone with himself, couldn't ignore the consequences of his own choices. He hated people who lied to themselves, so he wouldn't lie to himself by ignoring the void left by the loss of his friends.
The loss of a friend.
The loss of a love.
The loss of Mobius.
But sacrifice meant nothing when there was nothing to lose.
Mobius.
His ultimate sacrifice.
So he could choose to live his life the way he wanted to.
"What if his choice was you?"
Loki shook his head, closing his eyes and choosing to ignore the thought. Searching deep inside of himself for peace, he slowly let it slip away.
He could not and would not go back.
Even though the feeling of loss seemed unbearable, he was truly at peace with the choice he'd made.
For the first time he'd made a choice in full consciousness. Not driven by outside forces, or by a desire for revenge, or for some unlikely glory, just a completely selfless choice because only he could make it.
He would endure it, however painful it might be...
For them.
For him.
"Let the time pass."
Mobius' voice echoed inside him, and he let time take its course.
The timelines unfolded as they would.
Secured by the tree, by him in the heart of the tree.
The passage of time didn't erase the absence, but the awareness of those lives unfolding, free under his care, was enough to remove the sting and turn it into a phantom pain. 
Until one day he couldn't feel it anymore.
"Idiot."
A voice, clearer than all the others, louder, sharper, as if addressed to him, snapped him out of his meditation. 
He searched the timeline for the source of the voice, but every time he thought he had reached it, it seemed to disappear like sand between his fingers. Like it  jumped from one time line to the next.
"In your new wisdom, there's still something you haven't learned."
There was no longer any doubt that the voice was really speaking to him. It had a familiar tone, but Loki couldn't remember who it belonged to.
He called out softly, "Who are you?"
He scanned the timeline, waiting for an answer, when suddenly the voice sounded again, clear and loud.
"Deep down, you know it."
Loki closed his eyes, trying to concentrate deep inside, and felt a familiar aura. 
His own.
Opening his eyes, he called out, "Loki."
"Good answer," the voice replied as the elder Loki materialized in front of him.
"You!"
"Me."
"But how? Why?" 
Loki was so astonished to see this variant that he could only ask, "What are you doing here?"
The elder Loki replied gently, "By doing what you have, you have freed us, so I'm here to offer you some of that freedom in return. You do not have to carry this burden alone."
Loki shook his head, "But how?"
The other Loki replied softly, "Same aura, same powers."
He gently grabbed one of the timelines, which glowed a faint green at his touch to illustrate his point.
Loki, overwhelmed as he began to understand the implications of what the older Loki was suggesting, asked, "How long?"
The other Loki replied quietly, "As long as you need, a lifetime, who knows? Nothing has to be final. There are so many others like us that we can teach, and so the burden will be carried by all of us."
He raised an eyebrow at Loki and added, "So? What are you saying?"
Loki didn't have to think long and nodded slowly.
He stood and held out his hands to the old Loki. The other Loki did the same and, pressing their palms together, they nodded together.
"Now."
Time flowed fluidly from Loki to the elder Loki, and when Loki was sure that the time flow had stabilized, he helped him to the throne.
He bowed to him and said softly, "Thank you, my friend."
The other Loki nodded gently and said with a half-smile on his lips, "Go. Go be with him."
Of course, the old bugger had seen through him.
Loki straightened up and headed for Mobius' timeline, but before he laid a hand on it, he turned to the other Loki and said in a determined voice, "I'll be back.
The other Loki nodded and replied with a smile, "I'm sure you will. I know you."
Loki chuckled softly, grabbed the timeline, and dove in with only one thought on his mind.
Mobius.
Mobius.
Mobius.
He opened his eyes and found himself on a beach, facing the sea.
But he was immediately oblivious to everything around him, for all he could see was the familiar figure standing in front of him with his back to him.
He quickly used magic to change his clothes into something more appropriate, and barefoot he approached in silence, restraining himself from running.
Suddenly, he heard Mobius' voice, almost a whisper in the night, "Loki..."
Loki replied softly, "I'm here."
"So old Loki is replacing you and keeping the time flow going?"
On Mobius' sofa, their hands still intertwined, Loki nodded. Mobius asked again, slightly hesitant, "And... it's permanent?"
Loki shook his head and replied in a slightly contrite tone, "No, I wouldn't be able to do that to him, and I don't want to let go of that responsibility. I hope you understand that, Mobius."
Mobius looked at him with an expression that was a mixture of pride and wonder and said quietly, "When I told you that you could be whatever or whoever you wanted to be, I wasn't thinking about this."
Loki laughed slightly and replied, "I know that, but that's part of it. You showed me that I could choose my own destiny. That's what I did."
Mobius lost his smile and asked, "Does that mean you're leaving again?"
Loki, sensing the vulnerability of the other man behind his question, asked softly in reply, "What do you want? Do you want me to stay?"
Mobius shook his head sharply and replied, "I have no right to ask you that! Your task is far more important, Loki."
Mobius didn't say more important than himself, but Loki heard it anyway.
He looked at him fondly and said softly, "Idiot. I know what I want. But I also want to know what you want, Mobius. Not what your conscience or your scruples tell you to say because you think that's what I want to hear. So I repeat, what do you want?"
Seeing that Mobius looked confused, he added, "You have the right to say what you want. Free will is about that too. It's not about looking at jet ski magazines and thinking they're great, but not allowing yourself to ride them because it's not appropriate. Tell me what you want, Mobius."
He watched Mobius open and close his mouth several times, seeing his inner struggle so clearly because he'd been through it himself not so long ago.
"I want my friends back. I don't wanna be alone."
It had torn his guts out to say those simple words, so yes, he understood exactly how Mobius felt right now. So he gently stroked the back of his hand with his thumb, "Come on, Mobius. Let go. Tell me. I promise I'll take it all."
Suddenly, Mobius took a deep breath and said in a weak voice, "I want you to stay."
Loki let out a sigh of relief and, squeezing Mobius' hand in his own, replied gently, "Well done. Now, do you want to hear what I want?"
Mobius nodded slowly, and Loki replied, still gently, "I want to stay too."
"But... the flow of time, the timelines..."
Loki replied calmly, "The elder Loki has offered me the opportunity to share this burden, he has generously told me to take all the time I need. I'll do it, but I should also come back sometime, I already have an idea of what we can do, so if you can accept some time apart, I..."
Mobius interrupted, "I can, if it means seeing you again."
Loki's smile widened as he replied, "Then I only have one question left."
"What's that?"
"May I stay here?"
Realizing the implication of Loki's question, Mobius didn't answer immediately and looked at their intertwined hands, then looked up and asked Loki, pointing at their hands, "What's that?"
Loki replied quietly, "What do you want it to be?"
Mobius breathed, "I don't know."
"That's all right. We don't have to decide now. We have something we didn't have before. We have time."
Mobius looked so lost as he replied, "Having so many choices, so many possibilities, it's both exhilarating and suffocating at the same time. I realize that I haven't stopped to think about what I really want since I've been here. I've never had to before. Now that I can, it's like I have a variant to catch, and I have so many leads I don't know which one to follow." 
Loki put his hand on Mobius' shoulder and said softly, "Mobius, it's normal. Just give it time. You don't have to decide what you want to do or be right now."
Mobius sighed and replied, "To answer your question, of course you can stay here, I have a guest room and... well, unless you want to... huh... I mean..."
Loki chuckled softly and said, "The guest room is perfect. We know how to fight side by side, we know how to work side by side, now we just have to learn how to lo... live side by side."
He could tell from Mobius' slight gasp that his slip of the tongue had not gone unnoticed. He shouldn't be too hasty; he had lived through enough centenaries to know how he felt about Mobius, and while he had an idea of how Mobius felt about him, they had time to put it into words.
Now was not the time.
He slid his hand from Mobius' shoulder to his cheek and cupped the other man's face between his hands, slowly bringing his closer and asking softly, "May I...?"
Mobius breathed, "...yes."
That was all it took for Loki to close the remaining distance between them and gently press his lips to Mobius'.
The kiss was incredibly soft, almost chaste, and lingered, deepening their connection, their lips learning each other.
When they parted to catch their breath, Loki pressed another kiss to Mobius' forehead before wrapping his arms around him and pulling him against his chest.
He whispered into the gray hair, "I don't know any more than you do, you know? This is as new territory for me as it is for you."
Mobius wrapped his arms around him and replied softly against Loki's chest, "We'll just have to figure it out as we go along."
Loki hummed approvingly. 
True, there was so much to figure out, but now they had the time to do it.
One choice at a time
One step at a time.
As long as they did it together.
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Still not beta'd
Still not my native language
Still hoping you'll enjoy this story 🥰
Still thanking you for bearing with me 😝
Timeless Growing love : here (After season 2)
Lokius masterlist : here
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rocketrouquine · 6 months
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So I watched the 2 last episodes of Loki (including the finale) and well I have thoughts.
All in all, except for the beginning and the last two episodes, I really thought it was not as good as the first one. (Probably because Majors as Timely was excruciating, I hate when actors are trying stuff like this, it feels forced, it doesn’t work, I wanted to punch him every time he was opening his mouth) BUT …lokius. Yeah let’s talk about it.
It’s crazy to me how in the first season I was all for sylki because I thought their relationship and feelings were really well done and realised (whereas I saw what the mobius shippers saw but thought that it wasn’t really there there) BUT in the second season, I felt absolutely nothing between Loki and Sylvie. There was no more chemistry at all (it was like it never existed in the first place, it was bizarre) and even the actress playing Sylvie played it like a sibling or a good friend kind of fed up, just want to be left alone, not missing him for a second. And Loki pining for her but like a nerd is pining for a cheerleader in a bad teen movie (like boy, you’re not obligated to love her, you know), like you don’t even understand why except for the fact that it was here (emphasis on the was)
NOW Mobius and Loki in the second season ??? BAM 💥 Like sheesh everything : chemistry, banter, touch, exchanged looks,protectiveness, an ease like they are really soulmates. You could feel it all in every single one of their exchanges, it really was like watching a romcom where the protagonist fails to see what is in front of him and I was getting frustrated each time he was going all misty eyes for her, I was like « come on man let her go, we don’t fucking care about her anymore !! » Then, the finale…. The scene with Loki coming to see Don at his place with all the tension of a « is he here for this or ? What should I do? » gay panic, with Loki fucking putting his hair back and taking a breath before going to see him, like WHAT ?! That’s not what a friend does before seeing one other !!! You know what you are doing, so commit for fuck’s sake. But well… then they did (sort of) with the end of the finale. And it gutted me.
The moment with Sylvie and Mobius looking at him through the window… we know you put her there because it would have been impossible to brush it off if it was just Mobius juxtaposed with Loki’s « for you » but we know. I mean the last exchange with Sylvie at Don’s place before Mobius is saying « let time pass » (gu-tted I tell you). You can see that Sylvie is like « whatever » and Mobius is devastated. Also the shot of him in the dialogue was just all Loki’s colors green and yellow (hers was in a normal sunlight, his backlit) That is not an accident, to have these colors you have to plan it the day of the shoot and enhance it in color grading during post. This was a choice.
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Anyway, I am not a sylki shipper anymore (and I even question why I ever was, after seeing the second season : I’ll probably cut myself some slack if I do a rewatch of season 1 because it was well executed at the time) and I’m diving in the pits of despair of Lokius. These fuckers.
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andy-skull · 7 months
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I had to rewatch Ep02 to appreciate it
In my first rewatch, I really despised this episode, mostly for it's pace and how bad the reunion felt like. But then I watched it again and this time I realized something important
During the first and second episodes, we follow Loki through his misadventures, meaning we're seeing the world through his POV. So everything feels rushed, overwhelming, and there is this sense of urgency because (as Loki) we know the TVA is breaking down and that threatens the multiverse so Loki has to do something.
So we go with him to find Sylvie but there this sense of urgency and desperation. So in the rewatch I chose to see things from Sylvie's pov and let me tell you, Sophia fucking delivers!!!!
First, their initial meeting inside, yes, angsty, and nervousness, the feelings are there for both and despite all that happened before, Sylvie could have told Loki to go away, that she didn't want anything with him, neither talk or see him, but instead...
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Sylvie cares about what he wants to say, she's been waiting for him to find her, and to talk to him. She still feels betrayed and awkward, but she still cares enough to hear what he wants to say. So then they talk outside, Loki's been looking forward to this moment, so has Sylvie.
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When Loki suggests he's the last one she wants to see, Sylvie rushes to confirm that, yet in her rush, her voice breaks on that single word. Because it's too much, he's back, he wants to talk to her, it's time to face the consequences and she doesn't know what's gonna happen now and she cares so much!!! Loki states he's not there to make trouble and Sylvie answers with the only way she knows, being direct and rough.
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This is the moment when Loki decides to take a step back from the emotional speech and make it all business. Sylvie just doesn't seem to cooperate. He starts his explanation and she's looking annoyed. She's not buying it, he's stuttering. But then he says "It's been a problem," and THEN Sylvie changes her expression
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Hubby is in trouble! so she's listening now... Keep going, what is it? But he just keeps stuttering and babbling about timey whimey stuff and she's at the edge cause she's only thinking about them, that they are having the conversation about what happened the last time they were together
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She can't handle the emotions anymore, and by this point, she's even holding back her tears even!!! Aaaaand Loki starts talking about the TVA and she closes herself. This again, TVA this and that. She's out. He's here just because of the TVA and not her. He probably doesn't even care about what happened at the end of time, he's over the betrayal and the kiss.
The teenage argument starts because at this point none is really listening what the other is saying, nor are they saying what they really want or what they feel.
The fight is rushed and chaotic so I'm skipping that part
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Sylvie is chilling while they clean the place and take Dox away, but Loki is aware of her. Sylvie still refuses to look at him. He has to pass her by when Mobius tells him they have to go back.
By this point, Sylvie has rejected Loki in different ways, verbally mostly and with "Don't overthink it," she hasn't given him any emotional clue of sympathy, so he's giving her the space she asked for.
And YET, Sylvie:
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Has her eyes on him. While he's determined and giving her space, she has a moment to decide for herself. And she takes it to follow him. Was it because he looked back?
Maybe....?
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And so Sylvie goes to the TVA again, she follows him into the place that represents all wrong in her life. Why? if he's only there for business and everything went wrong anyway. Maybe because, she hopes there's something for her, with him?
But then not lol and she's pissed and leaves. It's fair. I support her completely.
Finally, the last scene is Sylvie on the hood of her car vibing with music, and at the moment Jack gets out, in a split second, Sylvie can be seen fidgeting with her tempad to quickly hide it away.
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It's a quick move, look at her hands. That's because she's been there for a while, reminiscing....
Jack asking her if everything is all right only makes me think that this is not a common behavior for Sylvie. And when he's worried, she quickly changes the subject to cover whatever is actually wrong with her, and even then, her voice is forced out, her throat is tight and the sound comes from a runny nose
Overall, the episode is not that bad, but it's still lousy to me. A rewatch made it better though and gave me a lil hope for Sylki.
But what I have no doubt over whatsoever, is that Sohpia Dimartino is an absolute Queen, delivering such a good acting for such a complex and layered character 10/10 for Sophia as Sylvie Laufeydottir
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royalnugget42 · 6 months
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The God of Stories and the Nowhere Man
A Post-Canon look at the characters if Loki
In the years (weeks? decades? seconds?) after the birth of Yggdrasil, there was no mention of the TVA in any part of history. Such has always been the case. The TVA prides itself on anonymity and secrecy, almost as much as it values bureaucracy.
The same cannot be said of some of the figures involved.
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Also majorly fuck Disney corporation for funding genocide. Go here to support humanitarian aid for Palestine.
B15 has a seat in the war room, defending Loki’s branches against the coming storm. Incredibly skilled tactician, yet humble enough to seek counsel from others, it isn’t long before she’s the de facto head of their little council. She insists that no one stand on ceremony though.
Casey, for his part, finally decided to look into his past. Reading history pages and conspiracy theories about his sacred timeline self is a little unnerving, but also very cool. In his branch he was Frank Morris, a criminal mastermind and an incredible escape artist. He’s always been a desk worker, but even if he never does any field work, he’s gained the confidence to become a proper analyst, a spiritual successor to Mobius.
O.B is recursive as always, but after finally leaving his basement level room, he came up with some improvements to the TVA headquarters. Their tech is now more reliable, their processes more streamlined and efficient, and the wifi has never been faster. He publishes the second edition of the TVA handbook. Victor Timely works well with him, and also suggests that they make better temporal radiation suits, even if they hopefully won’t have to use them anytime soon.
Most of the hunters still haven’t read the new guide, but Casey finally works up the courage to ask for an autograph. O.B writes his phone number as well. Of course, neither of them actually have phones, O.B was trying to be romantic, but the gesture goes over Casey’s head for a bit. Eventually they figure it out. O.B takes him to a bookstore.
Brad is left to go back to his own version of the timeline, but it’s bittersweet. He can’t forget the faces of the people who were depending on him in that cube. Can’t help thinking that it should’ve been him in there, not Dox. They all still exist somewhere on the timeline, but it’s not the same. They’re not coming back in a way that matters. When he goes back to being an actor he uses as much money as he can on humanitarian aid and charitable donations. It doesn’t erase the screams, but they get quieter.
Ravonna is lost at the end of time, and constantly on the run from various Lokis that she pruned a long time ago. Alioth never hurts her though. Even though she stood before it, choosing death instead of a life constantly on the run, it passed over her like a normal mist. In her heart she knows it’s Loki. She thinks he’s being vindictive by letting her survive. Eventually she’ll learn that he’s being gracious, allowing her the chance to change. She reminds him so much of himself sometimes.
Sylvie works at the McDonald’s, and it doesn’t pay much, but she never cares about it. What she wants she can summon or enchant someone into getting it for her, and what she doesn’t want she just doesn’t bother with, because she doesn’t have to anymore. She doesn’t have to do anything she doesn’t want to do ever again. She smiles. Maybe she’ll go on a date or something. Maybe she’ll go on vacation just for the Hel of it. There’s something so beautifully divine in being a creature of habit, a goddess of chaos finally settled, like a puzzle piece rattling into place. Privately, she calls herself the goddess of freedom.
All of them find their places, and make names for themselves, but their stories do not reach far, by intention. They are little things, twining with the rest of the branches.
There are two that find themselves in many branches; The God of Stories, and the Nowhere Man.
The god of stories is an ornate title, and a little dramatic. It’s accurate though. He weaves the lives of many into new branches, shifting with each misplaced footprint. The sheer multitude of the branches is their protection; The Conqueror won’t find them if he doesn’t know where to look.
This weaving has consequences though. One of the branches Loki touches is near the genesis of his own people. Heimdall is there, and he sees the tree, and its branches, and all the nine realms. It bothers him that he cannot see into the center, but alas, some things are beyond even his sight. He knows someone is there, though, and the legend grows in Asgard of the one who sits in the world tree, spinning the threads of fate into stories. Over time, the legend turns into the three frost giantesses known as the Norns.
And he is not idle in his throne either. At length he discovers that he can leave his seat at the center of the tree, but it’s dangerous to do so. His power is tied to the tree, and without him it begins to wilt again. It’s a while before he can leave it for more than a few seconds.
He manages though, and even while separated from the tree he can reach into the fabric of the branches he travels, unwinding them and twisting them as he sees fit. Legends arise around New Asgard that the brother of Thor has returned, with an unknown power in his hands. SWORD looks into it, but they find nothing out of the ordinary. Darcy looks into it and finally meets Thor’s brother. She slaps him, like Jane Foster once did, but she grows to like him eventually. They bond over a shared love of snakes.
And he doesn’t always appear as…himself. Sometimes the god of stories is herself, or theirself. They’ve appeared as a snake, a wolf, and once as a horse, but that story doesn’t need to be elaborated on. The snake is most common though, and some begin to call him Jormungandr. The world serpent.
Eventually Steven Strange takes an interest in whoever has been crawling through the multiverse. Loki drops him in a perpetual fall for an hour, and Strange decides it’s none of his damn business.
Legends of these types have echoing similarities. Solitude is their main theme, occasionally countered by the figure of the nowhere man.
Some stories say he’s the only one who dares to stand against the god of stories. His fate is his own after all, because he exists in no time at all. No story to twist, no time to pause, a Mobius, with no end and no beginning. Once they learn of him, they decide that he must surely be the greatest adversary of Jormungandr. Loki, for his part, finds it absolutely hilarious.
Other types of stories do crop up, though. The nowhere man walks among the people, and can erase your fate with a mere touch. Relentlessly the Norns pursue him. Some say it’s because the god of stories wishes to have his fate pulled away from him, like stars into the void. Some say it’s because Jormungandr craves total authority, and only when he consumes the nowhere man will he be sated. Some even say that they’re partners, companions, a yin and yang of sorts. They say that without one, the other would fall to ruin. This version of the tale emerged after too many instances of someone threatening Mobius where Loki could hear them (and if they’re on one of his branches he can always hear them loud and clear).
The Nowhere Man is a being of pure chaos. The God of Stories is order incarnate. The two of them cackle about the reversal of their roles, as they walk the branches of Yggdrasil. They laugh together often these days, and these days are now all the days, for all time. Always.
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stelladoesstuff · 6 months
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He had the Thor arc
HE HAD THE THOR ARC
Thor: Starts off boastful, arrogant, overly confident. Knocked off his pedestal by being sent to an unfamiliar world (Earth) with no powers. Meets someone (Jane) who he comes to care about and that changes him. Gets his powers back and is stronger because of it. Joins a team (the Avengers) and continues growing because of them. Comes to value that team. Uses that growth to try to start change in someone else (Loki). Loses the want to claim the throne, but is circumstantially forced into it. Passes the throne on to discover himself.
Loki (series Loki): Starts off boastful, arrogant, overly confident. Knocked off his pedestal by being sent to an unfamiliar world (TVA) with no powers. Meets someone (Mobius) who he comes to care about and that changes him. Gets his powers back (on and off). Joins a team (TVA crew) and continues growing because of them. Comes to value that team. Uses that growth to try to start change in someone else (Sylvie). Loses the want to claim the throne, but is circumstantially FORCED INTO IT.
So, hypothetically, all that’s left is for Loki to somehow get out of sitting on that throne holding together time, go on a journey of self-discovery, and do what makes him happy.
It’ll totally happen.
I’m not delusional.
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brsb4hls · 6 months
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Saying Sylvie was heartless or did not care about Loki is such a grave misunderstanding of everything that happened.
She was concerned and distraught and did not want him to go out to the loom, she called out to him and said she had to get to him.
When she understood his sacrifice, she had tears in her eyes.
Sylvie said: 'He's giving us a chance'
They all got a chance at living the life they choose, because of Loki.
So Sylvie honored his sacrifice by going out and living.
That's a common trope. Someone makes a sacrifice so you can live, which means you damn well go and live, otherwise the sacrifice would be for naught.
She understood what happened and internally said goodbye to Loki, when he turned to look at her one more time.
Having her wail and scream and be depressed forever over it would serve no purpose.
And Mobius, although he clearly misses Loki, also has a lot of other stuff to work through in his last scene, that Sylvie has not.
He finally looked at his life, his would be kids and at the same time said goodbye to it, because it wasn't truely his.
He was at the tva for centuries, and now is the first time he truely gets to do what he chooses, not what he is told to do.
And to really let time pass, which it doesn't at the tva.
The whole scene between Mobius and Sylvie was beautiful and a great ending.
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where-theres-smoak-2 · 5 months
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I've been rewatching season 2 and I'm on ep 3, the part where Sylvie shows up and says 'when you showed up out of nowhere to ruin my life' to Loki and it got me thinking because I think this line is actually more significant and telling than it first seems. Firstly there is the 'out of nowhere' part, meaning suddenly or unexpectedly. Which I actually think is kind of sad because it tells us that Sylvie either, never expected Loki to show up after their fight at the citadel because he would be too hurt or angry, or that enough time passed for her that she gave up hoping he would show up and so when he did it felt sudden and unexpected.
Then there's the second half, the 'to ruin my life' part. I kept wondering why Sylvie would feel like Loki merely showing up would ruin her life. Like if she really had moved on from Loki, didn't care about him anymore and was happy in her new life then him showing up and asking for help and her saying nope I'm good, shouldn't have ruined her life. So my theory is that the reason she felt like him showing up had ruined her life was because she knew that once she saw him again she wouldn't be able to walk away from him and that timeline saving, adventurous lifestyle that comes along with him, so easily. She could convince herself that she was happy with her normal, mundane life before, but once she sees him again its like an illusion that's pulled down and she realises she can't really walk away from him, she can't just walk away from the problem with the loom and risk the branches. As vocal as she is about not wanting to help she still does. I also think this is why in her last scene of the season, after Loki's sacrifice, when Mobius asked her what she's going to do now instead of saying she is going to go back to her branch, she shrugs, because she doesn't know what to do now. She knows she can't go back to living that normal life on her branch, not after seeing Loki again and not after everything that has happened. But she also is without Loki so she's feeling lost and unsure. That's my take on it anyway.
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janehaster · 6 months
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Sylvie
She's really complicated, isn't she?
She had her whole life stolen from her. Never knew the love of her parents. Or rather, knew it for a brief period, only. Was treated roughly by Renslayer, as if she weren't a person, just a thing. Condemned to death after doing nothing wrong. And had to live on the run for ever.
She never had a place she could call home
She never dated anyone
She never had friends
She never had the right to settle down anywhere
She grew up believing she was a convict, not a normal person
She grew up believing she had no rights. That she was not an individual. Because "she wasn't supposed to exist" in the first place
That's Sylvie's mindset. She is a survivor. And like every survivor, she must have a number of mental conditions: PTSD, anxiety, depression, agoraphobia and so many others. She's unable to truly trust someone. She's always prepared for imminent danger. She has A LOT to unpack.
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Now come the scenes with Mobius and Loki in Season 2, the ones everyone talked about.
She got a lot of hate for the way she spoke to Mobius and for accusing Loki of being selfish after she was the one responsible for the shit everyone's is in now (aka The End of Everything)
The thing is, when she judged Mobius' lightheartedness in a moment of crisis, she was judging from her POV. The TVA hunted her like a dog. They never cared about the people they pruned. They did commit mass genocide, there's no way around it. So in her mind, everyone who works at the TVA is a callous murderer. And the fact that a TVA agent - Mobius - would consider "just chillin' " and having some pie while Armageddon is upon them mirrors the same callous atittude of the ones who hunted her in the past. In her mind, Mobius' gesture was misinterpreted as "I don't give a fuck about what's going on as everything melts down and people will start dying left, right and centre", rather than "let's take a moment to breathe and clear our heads".
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Now, about the scene with Loki at the bar...
A lot of people hated her for her harsh words and called her a hypocrite, since she was the one who got everyone in this mess after killing HWR.
HOWEVER, people are forgetting one VERY important detail.
The Sacred Timeline DID NOT branch because Sylvie killed He Who Remains. It had ALREADY started branching after they passed the threshold.
Remember HWR's words in Season 1's last episode? He told the Loki Variants to better hurry, since the timeline was beginning to branch
So, regardless of Sylvie's choice, the Timeline was doomed to branch. What could have averted a worse crisis was letting HWR live and ask him to update the Temporal Loom in order to support multiple timelines.
But even that idea could not work, and Loki would see himself forced to learn how to control the Time Slip so as to fix things in the past. Or worse yet, HWR could sabotage their attempt to allow for multiple timelines to exist and they would be forced to kill him either way.
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So there you have it. Sylvie cannot truly be blamed for putting Loki&Co in this mess. The birth of the Multiverse was inevitable. What she could have done was stay in the TVA and help rather than just disappear and leave everyone behind.
However, once again people forget the TVA was her ENEMY, and she had already made it clear to Loki she had ZERO intent of going back there to help him rule. Her only wish was to secure her freedom by killing the people in charge of the TVA and go live the life she never could.
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Now, as for the bar scene...
If the series had ended after that dialog, it would have been perfect.
Everyone was back where they belonged. The TVA was no more. And Loki would be forced to do what Sylvie did right after securing her freedom: to build a life of his own.
Instead of finding his own path, Loki settled in the TVA and got comfortable, forgetting that the TVA were not really his family. Remember, he was recruited to help them hunt Sylvie. There was no telling whether Renslayer didn't plan for Loki to be pruned once they found her.
Did Loki meet people whom he later grew fond of? Yes, but that's not the point. His family was back in Asgard, and that got burned to the ground. So now it was up to him to forge his own path, to become independent, to write his own story, in Sylvie's words.
And instead of moving on, as she did, he wanted to pull everyone back into the false lives they led in the TVA for his sake.
Isn't that being selfish?
So, Sylvie's role in Loki's life is that of a friend. Not just any friend. A true friend. She doesn't coddle him. She doesn't feed his delusions. She told him what he needed to hear, not what he wanted. She doesn't sugarcoat the truth.
And it was because of her that he was able to save everyone in the end. Because he finally admitted to himself his worst fear and his one true desire: to not be alone.
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Having said that, yes, I do want to see Loki get his friends back. Yes, I want to see the TVA finally work as it should: as a Guardian Of Timelines, not as this fascist organisation that commits mass murder. However, Sylvie was not wrong in pointing out to Loki he was being selfish. Do you know why?
Because Mobius was perfectly happy taking care of his kids
The first thing he did when the world was ending was to run back to his family. That shows how much he loved them and cared about them.
He also said he couldn't understand how someone could refuse to take a ride on a jet ski, showing how much he loved his work.
He also questioned whether Loki was truly his friend, to ask him to leave his whole life behind and go help him.
And let's not forget Mobius refused to visit his own timeline while still as Mobius because he feared his true life was so good, he wouldn't want to return to the TVA
SO...was Loki being selfish by forcing Mobius to leave everything behind, a life he clearly loved and to be with him, just because Loki missed his friend?
The inevitable conclusion is YES.
That's what Sylvie was pointing out to him at the bar. The TVA robbed people of their lives, there's no way around it. And once they had the opportunity to go back to those lives, some chose to stay, like Brad. If Mobius had made the same choice, would Loki respect his decision? Or would he force Mobius to stay with him in the TVA against his friend's wishes?
That's the big question that Sylvie was actually asking him. If he had to be selfless to let his friends - and those he love - lead their own lives, whether Loki were a part of them or not, would he be selfless enough to let them go?
I believe the answer to that might come in Episode 6.
My bet is that Sylvie will provoke Loki into showing his friends where they really came from and to give them the liberty to choose their own path. For Lokius' shippers, this will be a big moment. Cause if Mobius decides to go back to selling jet skis and taking care of his kids, what will Loki do? Will he be brave enough to profess his feelings for Mobius and ask him to stay? Will he let Mobius leave him for good and suffer in silence?
Come Thor's Day, we will know.
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For the WIP game I'd love to hear about your post s2 scenario and the Binding of Loki! 👀💖
Thanks for the ask, bestie. 😘
Post S2 will see Mobius realise he never got a chance to properly talk ~~and kiss~~ Loki. And while he doesn't want to change the past, he does want to grab some of Loki's time. But it's not going to be easy.
I posted the opening snippet for Post S2 last week. Here's a following bit.
The mud squelched as Mobius stepped out into the little lane in Chicago, 1893. It was dark, as it had been when he and Loki had run through the streets looking for Victor. That moment felt like an eternity away, and despite his attempts to distract them both from the mission with various treats from the era, they hadn’t had time to talk. He had been building up to taking Loki on a hot air balloon, giving them the space to breathe. They never had a chance, not really. His past self was too busy numbing and ignoring what was happening around him. It was just too horrific to look at his life, to know his existence at the TVA was a lie. Now, he knew different. He looked up the lane, recognising the whir of a bicycle passing. It won’t be long now until his past self and Loki separate, chasing after the man they needed to open the blast doors. The folly of it should make Mobius laugh. Instead, he walked a little down the lane until he found a small alcove. It was almost pitch black in this space, but he closed his eyes and listened. Loki was fast. They could run like the wind. He had to make this count. His heart pounded in his chest, distracting him. His palms were sweaty. There was a distant sound of feet scuffling as Victor and Ravonna started running. In his mind, Mobius saw his past self run one way, and Loki coming down this very lane he was standing in. He took a deep breath and braced himself. One, two… Mobius stepped out, his fingers brushing over Loki's jacket. It tingled and scratched at his calloused fingertips, and he stared at them for a second, before sighing at the disappearing figure. He'd held back too long. He needed to go back earlier.
The Binding of Loki is a kind of fix it. I'm a mythology nerd, so I thought of an alternative timeline Mobius/Don getting caught up in a storm in Norway and discovering Loki bound in a cave.
Because he is essentially a Sigyn variant in my head, Mobius will stop the poison dripping down onto Loki, and will cut them loose. Loki will slide off the rock to the ground and Mobius will light a fire and they'll cuddle for warmth.
Then, there be some revelations, Loki talking about how this Mobius looks so like him. Mobius asks where the other him is, and Loki listens and says: "Only a few timelines over."
Mobius continues to care for Loki, convinced Loki might leave him here but he can't do anything else. The god is ill.
But after 24 hours, maybe longer, Loki is strong enough and teleports them both back to where Mobius was staying.
There's a handshake that turns into a hug, and finishes with alt-Mobius telling Loki to go get Mobius.
Then, Loki disappears, and Mobius sighs.
But we switch to Loki’s POV, appearing beside Mobius after he says, "Let time pass."
"With me?" Loki will ask.
And then they start living a life together
I have no snippet for this one yet but hopefully the idea is interesting.
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