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remus-poopin · 6 months

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Hi! Sorry to bother you but I’m looking for specific pieces of HP meta and I’m kinda lost.

Do you have any reading recommendations about homosexuality in the Harry Potter world? I’m trying to decide a couple of things about the world-building for a fic and I’d love to read about other takes on the topic.

Hi! It's not a bother at all I love this stuff! I have my own thoughts about this too and this is a question I often think about and I was planning on writing something about this eventually anyways so I'm glad I got this ask because now I have a excuse to! (And I can talk about some gripes I have with the author as well so yay)

CW: Homophobia and misogyny

Here is a meta by @thecarnivorousmuffinmeta on homophobia in the wizarding world.

Here is @hchollym's take on gay marriage in the WW

The books give no mention of homosexuality explicitly, but the author has slightly expanded on the topic at later times in interviews and tweets. In 2007 she confirmed that Dumbledore was gay and later she gives us more details about his sexlife. She then said this in 2007 about homosexuality and homophobia in the wizarding world:

"MA: 'We wanna talk about Dumbledore so bad. We know that you've created worldwide intrigue when you said that he is gay. But I wanted to ask you about homosexuality in the Wizarding World in general. Is it a taboo?' JKR: 'Now, that's something I never thought of. I would think that that would be-- it would be exactly what it is in the Muggle World. But the greatest taboo in the Wizarding World is, well, for some wizards... I mean if we're talking about prejudiced people within the Wizarding World, what they care most about is your blood status. So I think you could be, um, gay, pure-blood, and totally without any kind of criticism from the Lucius Malfoys of the world. I don't think that would be something that would interest him in the slightest. But, you know, I can't answer for all witches and wizards because I think in matters of the heart, it would be directly parallel to our world.'"

She also says this in a tweet about homophobia in 2014:

“Only by ludicrous Muggles. The wizards don't give a damn - it's all about the magic for them.”

Now whether or not you take this to be canon is up to you. What I think is interesting here is I feel as though we are made to think that homosexuality is a non issue in the wizarding world and not a point of prejudice by the second statement. From her first statement she says that its “something she never thought of” and I'm guessing her second statement is contradictory because she wanted to appease LGBT+ fans and reassure them that Hogwarts is a safe space (for some, lets not ask her about the other letters in the acronym).

This is a pattern I've noticed JKR exhibiting in a lot of her post book words in which she is trying to communicate how egalitarian the world she created is through her new information, while the text does not reflect this worldview. I think a good example of this is how when she listed the ministers of magic she included several women, going back as far as the 1700s to try to show there are not as many barriers to entry for women in the WW. Yet we see many instances of sexism throughout the series from the characters. I think what she was trying to do is have her world primarily focus on blood purity, and creature rights and have the issues we face either go to the backburner or not be present at all. Now I understand this choice, (though I really don’t think it's necessary, more interesting or remotely realistic) but I also think her execution is pretty awful because you can (and I'm about to) make an argument that these issues are still very present in the wizarding world. I think the biggest issue here is that she doesn't understand the structures and systems of oppression that she handwaved to the side to truly write a world where they would not be a real problem. To me, given what we've seen of the wizarding world, homophobia would still very much be an issue.

So I think if we're going to talk about what homosexuality looks like in the wizarding world we would also need to talk about what homophobia would look like in the wizarding world. Homophobia has many factors contributing and working with it to make it function as prejudice and a system. If I had to break it down to its biggest parts I would say our big three is: religious fears, rigid gender norms, and disgust. Those often play off each other to create an effective tool for upholding a power structure in society by subjugating certain members. Let's examine these in the context of Harry Potter.

Religious fears:

Religious fears resulting in homophobia is very common in the real world but for this factor to apply to the WW I think we would need to determine whether or not the wizarding world is even religious. We have examples of christianity showing up across the books in casual ways, Harry has a Godfather, he was christened as a baby, and Lily and James have a quote from the bible on their tombstone. From this we can at least make the assumption that the Potter family is religious to some capacity. We also see that one of the Hogwarts ghosts is called “The Fat Friar’. But to my knowledge this is where the references end. If the wizarding world is religious, or at least wizarding Britain, they seem to be casually so. So I don't see this being a huge driving factor in any homophobia we would see in that universe.

Rigid gender norms:

I think if you take away any religious influences you're still going to see homophobia even in its most violent forms and this has a lot to do with rigid gender norms. If gender norms are established to sustain a power structure that a society relies on to maintain a certain order, any breaking of those norms will be met with punishment (socially or physically). In a heteronormative culture, homosexuality can be seen as a breaking of these norms.

First off, Pureblood culture seems to be obsessed with lineage and creating heirs, In one of the meta I linked it talks about how homosexuality would be a threat to that. At least in pureblood society, your job as a man is to make pureblooded babies and your job as a woman would be to give birth to them, anything else would be looked down upon.

If we step outside of pureblood society, we can see that the general wizarding population also seems to have strict ways in which men and women should act.

So what are the gender roles the wizarding world has? Well there are the clothing, all wizards wear robes, but dresses are traditionally for women and any robe that looks a little to dress-like for a man could be seen as embarrassing:

“'What is that supposed to be?' He was holding up something that looked to Harry like a long maroon velvet dress. It had moldy-looking lace frills at the collar and matching lace cuffs. - ‘Mum, you've given me Ginny's new dress,’ said Ron, holding it out to her. ‘Of course I haven't,’ said Mrs Weasley. ‘Thats for you, dress robes’.- “You've got to be kidding’ said Ron in disbelief ‘Im not wearing that, no way!' - In some trepidation Harry opened the last parcel on his camp bed. It wasn't as bad as he expected, however. His dress robes didn't have any lace on them at all - in fact they were more or less the same as his school ones, except they were bottle green except black” (GOF, pg 155 and 156)

“Harry, Ron, Seamus, Dean, and Neville changed into their dress robes up in their dormitory, all looking very self conscious, but none as much as Ron who surveyed himself in the long mirror in the corner with an appalled look on his face. There was no getting around the fact that his robes looked more like a dress than anything. In a desperate attempt to make them more manly he used a severing charm on the ruffs and cuffs." (GOF, pg 411)

There are cultural roles:

“‘Come on, Ginny's not bad,’ said George fairly sitting down next to Fred. ‘Actually , I dunno how she got so good, seeing how we never let her play with us…’ ‘she's been breaking into your broom shed in the garden since the age of six and taking each of your brooms out in turn when you weren't looking’ (OOTP, pg 574)

There is no ostensible reason for Ginny not to be able to play Quidditch with her older brothers, even if she was too young at one point, very soon after she should have been able to, considering Ron was only a year older. From this we can assume that wizards, or at least the Weasleys, have a view of femininity as more fragile, or weaker than masculinity. This idea is reinforced through the founders of Hogwarts making separate dorm rooms for girls and boys where boys cannot enter the girls dorm but girls can enter the boys, this also positions men as aggressors in a sexual sense.

There are sexual roles, any time there is slutshaming in the series a women is at the end of it. Hermione is seen as a “scarlet women” for appearing to toy with Harry's heart:

“I told you not to annoy Rita Skeeter! She's made you out to be some sort of - scarlet women!’ Hermione stopped looking astonished and snorted with laughter. ‘Scarlet women?’ - ‘It's what my mum calls them’ Ron muttered." (GOF, pg 513)

Ginny is constantly facing accusations of behaving a little too promiscuously by her family.

“'Let's get this straight once and for all. It is none of your business who I go out with or what I do with them, Ron -' ‘Yeah it is!’ Said Ron just as angrily. ‘D’you think I want people saying my sister’s a-’ (HBP, pg 287)

"'my tiara sets the whole thing nicely, said Aunt Muriel in a rather carrying whisper, 'but I must say, Ginevra's dress is far too low cut.'" (DH, pg 145)

Merope Riddle is called a slut for running off with Tom Riddle Sr.

"'dishonored us, she did, that little slut!'" (HBP, pg 365)

All of these instances are made to seem as negative and as a breaking of the societal norms. The norm being women as chaste, demure figures of virtue.

We've established these gender roles, and we've seen there are consequences when you fall out of line. So, what if the gender role calls for you to be masculine as a man and then defines that masculinity in part with obtaining women and sexual prowess? Homosexuality would be in direct conflict with that. And with that lets tie it into disgust.

Disgust:

The disgust that a homophobe feels can be stemming from a couple different places. Maybe it's religious fears like we talked about or maybe it's because of gender norms. But that disgust is only taking place because they perceive something they hold to be pure being tainted and violated; the word of god, the sanctity of masculinity, or hegemonic gender roles. In a society where these beliefs are upheld and treated as sacred, any conflict with that will be met with judgment at best and violence at worse.

I don't see the wizarding world as a progressive space where homosexuality or anything LGBT+ would be considered a non issue because the text does not reflect that. The text shows the same misogyny, the same disdain for femininity, and the same reverence for masculinity that we see in everyday life and because of that I feel it only makes sense to see the wizarding world just as bigoted as ours.

Ok so what does homosexuality look like in the wizarding world then?

Well if we've established the wizarding world as a society that would be hostile (in any way) to gay people I think its easier to move forward on how to imagine how they fit into that society since we have ours for reference. However, Its important to remember that our oppression doesn't define us and its not the only thing to consider while writing. Think about what the fashion would look like, what the music would sound like, what the spaces would be like and just generally what the culture would be. Have fun with it!

Hope this helped a little!

#what does homosexuality look like in the wizarding world? short anwser: Sirius Black #also sorry i took so long to anwser this i was busy failing my exams #hp meta #harry potter meta #harry potter #hp #ginny weasley #the weasleys #james potter #lily evans #molly weasley #albus dumbledore

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whump-bunny · 8 months

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Some fanart inspired by a meta from @therealvinelle. (I seriously love both her and @thecarnivorousmuffinmeta. If you like blasphemous headcanons and analysis of Twilight and other such media, I suggest you check em out.)

Anyway, the prompt what "What if Aro found Carlisle as a newborn?"

And basically Carlisle would be forced to drink human blood against his will and be absolutely miserable. So I drew that :)

#whump #vampires #twilight #fanart #carlisle cullen #blood #whump art #aro #au

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smallcatwoman · 8 months

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I am too tired to correct the errors here but I hope you get what I was thinking.

What do you think the hypothetical kid of Jasper and Alice gift would be?

My sums of money on hallucinations cause survival reasons. (to combat Renesmee's gift)

Alice I imagine has resentment to Renesme because she blocks her visions. Hence the to combat part. Jasper's gift is emotionally based..SO I was thinking Alice's feelings would also become his cause he feels everything...

First of all, I am shocked in the best way that someone is asking a Twilight question like this to me as if I know anything. I'll try my best.

For the sake of this ask, lets assume Alice inherited Bella's horrendous taste in names and named her child Greige.

As of canon, Jasper can already sense and manipulate Alice's emotions, including her frustration at Renesmee blocking her abilities. If her and Jasper's child is a hybrid, they would also block visions by default.

But let's say, that Greige doesn't block Alice, adopting this as part of their gift, similar to how Renesmee isn't blocked by Bella. This is if we're going off of the theory from @therealvinelle and @thecarnivorousmuffinmeta that hybrids gifts are very powerful and versatile, and focused on helping them survive. This would make Greige significantly less annoying to their mother than Renesmee, especially if Alice also gets to dress them up in adorable outfits and hyper control their life to an even greater extent than she controls Bella.

I do think Greige would have some skills of emotional manipulation, similar to how Renesmee seems to enthrall others and make them love her. But in terms of combining Alice and Jasper's gifts, the only thing I can think of is sensing the emotional outcome of decisions.

So like, if it's going to rain and Greige doesn't put on a coat, they can't see themselves getting rained on, but they can sense the annoyance and discomfort they would feel. If Carlisle decides to kiss Aro in front of everyone, Greige can't see the horrified expressions of the Cullens and everyone arguing about it, but they can sense the horror, disgust, jealousy, etc that the Cullens would feel, as well as the happiness and love that Carlisle and Aro would feel. Maybe not as useful as Alice's visions, but still helpful in a pinch.

#twilight #twilight meta #aro x carlisle #jasper x alice #anti alice cullen #are yall proud of me that i didnt drag eleazar into this for once #i did write one fic without him too #but progress is progress #long post

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nemainofthewater · 6 months

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WIP game

Thank you for tagging me @abluescarfonwaston !

RULES: post the names of all the files in your WIP folder, regardless of how non-descriptive or ridiculous. Let people send you an ask with the title that most intrigues them, and then post a little snippet or tell them something about it! and then tag as many people as you have WIPs.

I am going to do all the WIPs in my folder that aren't to do with (ongoing) exchange fic (because... spoilers!)

a scourge, a sacrifice (next chapter)

BoY Tang Lian centric

the man who would be king (chapter 3)

family3

LoN scientific red mist

NiF pirates

NiF rarepairs

NiF transmigration

QHJ/WRH arranged marriage

Shang Chi heart attack (lost interest and never going to finish)

through the medium of scientific papers

twilight sequel thing

untamed fandom 5k (was potentially a treat, never finished)

weaponised incompetence

warble to death2

wow that's 15 WIPs.... that's a lot. do I even know 15 people???

Ok, people tagged are because they come to mind not because I remember anyone on this webbed site; if you see this and want to play, feel free!

@thebansacredbanned @tavina-writes @marquisguyun @circumference-pie @blondejaneblonde @luzzeagain @dcderringer @cortue @kimboo-york @therealvinelle @thecarnivorousmuffinmeta @jill-question-mark @trisshawkeye @thelaithlyworm @robininthelabyrinth

#ask game #thanks for tagging me again!

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the-most-pathetic-edge-marquis · 1 year

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I feel like you’d like some of the meta written by @thecarnivorousmuffinmeta and @therealvinelle for Twilight. They have an interesting take on Edward that I think you’d agree with. They write great fic, too!

(I think you’d disagree with their take on Jacob, though.)

anon you have 100% understood my vibe, lol

their fics, (though i've read more of vinelle's), are ones i save and read on rainy days when i need to laugh a ridiculous amount, (nebuchadnezzer's dream is ICONIC and the scene of carlisle and jane starting a ziggy stardust cult lives rent-free in my mind), aside from "bleach on the brain," which is much heavier, and lives rent-free because it's haunting me...an incredible breakdown of all of the character dynamics post-breaking dawn, and such a fascinating perspective on renesmee and the volturi.

my feelings about their takes on edward and jacob are a little more complicated, and i don't know that i'd even use the language agree or disagree? i totally see where they're pulling from in the text, but my own personal understandings are a little bit different. and that's fine! that's how fandom works! (even with jacob -- I prefer to headcanon him differently, and have my own reasons from outside of canon for doing that, but everything they say is in the text, so...i don't agree, per se, and i'm not always in the mood to read certain works, like bleach on the brain, because of that...but also i don't disagree.)

but yeah, love both of their metas and fics!!! (vinelle's billy/charlie meta is literally one i keep in my drafts to reference when writing my fic for those two, i mean...)

#thanks for the ask!#also re their take on edward #HAVE to shout out the 'edward is in love with carlisle and deeply repressing it' take #bc. incredible. 100% agree #(sometimes...you're a traumatized 17 year old and a 23 year old steps in to be a surrogate mentor figure for you...)#(and you fall a little bit in love! that's happened to everyone. right?)#also maybe i don't post enough about how much i love aro/carlisle #if people think i haven't heard of vinelle and carnivorousmuffin #the aro/carlisle tag is Sparse i have read everything in it

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carovolturi · 2 years

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Heavily based on the trio's relationship dynamic in @thecarnivorousmuffinmeta's "The Less Than Immaculate Conception" and "Two Men and a Baby," if you're curious (and also if you're not 🤪).

If we're really going to be nitpicky Aro and Carlisle's heads should arguably be switched but the Photoshop looked so much better like this and as a former Yearbook Editor-in-Chief I could not commit such bald-faced, heinous crimes against graphic design worse than the ones I already committed while making this.

I still might cave and make it later though.

#twilight #twilight renaissance #twilight shitpost #twilight meme #volturi #aro volturi #carlisle cullen #edward cullen #the carnivorousmuffinmeta #the less than immaculate conception #two men and a baby #photoshop

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therealvinelle · 6 months

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The way ahead

In light of recent tumblr news, @theoriginalcarnivorousmuffin / @thecarnivorousmuffinmeta and I have thought about the way ahead.

We are not going to move our blog activity to a different site, mainly because there's no other place quite like tumblr.

We will export our blogs, I for one am going to answer the best asks that I saved in my inbox and drafts, and we will slowly shift our attention elsewhere.

Here is our plan, as it stands at the moment:

The Rank Heresy podcast Rank Heresy will take the place of our blogs in being where we host our theories and heresies, and we are happy to receive feedback on what most interests people

Q&A livestream sessions What it says on the tin: questions ticking in, Muffin and I answering off the cuff.

Discord community Using our Rank Heresy discord server (invite link) we will continue our activity there as it stands now, hosting writing competitions, streaming things, and the greatly celebrated book club.

Continued presence on Ao3 Obviously.

We will look back on this era with fondness, vague incredulity (it's been a bizarre run), and a host of other feelings, and hope we don't lose touch with too many of you.

#about this blog #therealvinelle #the carnivorous muffin #theoriginalcarnivorousmuffin #thecarnivorousmuffinmeta #tumblr

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buffinbonkers · 1 year

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Not taking constructive feedback at this time. I reached a little too high with going from editing photos to gifs. Learned a lot in photoshop though - including not to start with a dark hair color when going lighter (we’ll all pretend its blonde OKAY?.) I need to move on from this one depsite it not looking how I want.

ANYWAY, was watching I am number 4 for Carlisle imaginations and he looked in the mirror and I immediately connected it to " Nebuchadnezzar's Dream"/"A Statue of Iron and Clay" by @therealvinelle and @thecarnivorousmuffinmeta when he mentions seeing his new eye color in the mirror.

#carlisle cullen #fan edit #twlight #I'm never trying to create blond hair again #Dark to light hair + bad lighting = kill me

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thecarnivorousmuffinmeta · 4 months

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https://at.tumblr.com/thecarnivorousmuffinmeta/what-if-bella-broke-a-bone-when-she-jumped-say/t9n5wdyfc6g0

She was incredibly lucky in the original story and got off with a slight fright. But she jumped off a cliff and is clumsy by canon. What if Bella had been paralyzed from the neck down?

Charlie is in a terrible situation, probably not going to the funeral, as Bella is in the hospital with serious injuries. Suppose the rest of the events happened with the vision and the calls.

What does Alice do? Is something changing? Or is she taking her human Barbie to Italy?

👋

The real answer is Bella drowns. If she's in that kind of condition, Jacob will likely make things worse trying to get her out of the water. Bella could very well die from that.

However, we'll say Bella's hospitalized like you say. Even if she's not paralyzed, it's bad, and she's not getting out in time for international travel.

The thing is... Alice was already risking Bella's life, to the nth degree, in doing this. When Bella succeeded, the Volturi immediately knew who she was, why she was there, and that she knew the secret. Bella could very well have been given a death sentence. Alice did not make this clear to Bella.

But the bottom line is Alice is absolutely willing to sacrifice Bella to save Edward. She hopes it won't come to that, but she has to take the risk. She'd do the same here. Bella gets human trafficked out of the country and then Alice finds a way to sprint with Bella in a duffel bag to Edward where she then throws Bella at him.

The difference might be that Aro goes, "Lol, we turn her" when he sees this girl is in terrible physical condition that she doesn't have to be. This is different than canon where Bella was physically and the reason to turn her was "the law". Here it's, "you poor girl, what have they done to you. Here, we will turn you and you can join Volturi. Done."

#twilight #twilight meta #twilight headcanon #twilight renaissance #bella swan #edward cullen #alice cullen #anti alice cullen #meta #headcanon

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just-another-weird-artist · 2 years

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The first meeting of Aro and Carlisle Cullen, inspired by "the surrender of Breda" by Velàzquez.

It's a work in progress and I am not sure this is the way I evision the characters, but I like it quite a lot.

I blame (thank) @thecarnivorousmuffinmeta and @therealvinelle and their lovely metas and fics for turning me, a diehard twilight hater, in a Aro/Carlisle fan.

#fanart #aro di Volterra #the volturi #carlisle cullen #carlisle x aro #twilight

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cassiaallen · 9 months

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I’m like halfway through with my Marauders headcanon series, so here’s my version of Sirius Black's life.

Once again, this is partly inspired by gorgeous accounts like @halfblood-princes-crown, @moonlightdancer26, and @thecarnivorousmuffinmeta - thanks to you all for the inspiration!

PS: I think there are minor inconsistencies between my Marauders hcs, such as on what exact day a specific event happens, but that’s minor and is largely because I wrote those on separate occasions and in the middle of the night. Apologies in advance.

I will also post the referenced Jily Wedding at some point (the one referenced at the end of this post).

The Marauders’s Journey - Sirius

Full name: Sirius Orion Black

DOB: 03.11.1959

Born in: London, Grimmauld Place

Parents: Walburga & Orion Black

House: Gryffindor

In Hogwarts: 1971-1978

-he grows up with massive blood purists as parents

-had the pressure of being the oldest/heir on him and hates it like Bellatrix

-unlike her though, S rebels by not buying into the pureblood ideology

-he is on good terms with his younger brother and feels protective of him

-despite not believing in the Ideology, he does have internalised classicism

-he meets James on the H Express and likes him instantly (both are rich purebloods, both hate the Ideology)

-to him, Slytherin = bad, so when he sees Sev he takes an immediate dislike to him (Sev wishes to be in Slytherin and looks poor [internalised classicism])

-was terrified of being Sorted into Slytherin, but more than relieved to be in Gryffindor with J

-latches onto J as an escape from his awful family and because he actually likes him

-his internalised classicism makes him pick Sev as his punching bag

-likes Peter because he idolises him and J; Remus because he’s nice and helps with homework

-gets shite at home for being in Gryffindor and being friends with non-blood supremacists

-this contributes to his hatred and bullying of Sev

-R's frequent disappearances pique his interest

-when he finds out about 🐺, he is supportive but mainly sees it as a challenge and adventure (and "aren’t I such a good person for befriending an outcast")

-the longer S is in Gryffindor and has those Friends, the more shite he gets at home

-meanwhile, Regulus is now favoured as he’s in Slytherin and buys into blood purity

-all of this fosters his hatred of Sev

-he is the last person to become an animagus, which upsets him (he of course lets it out on Sev)

-he loves the adventures once a month, and focuses much more on that rather than Remus being in pain

-February 1976, he bullies Sev and when it does not have the desired effect, he tells Sev that if he wants to stop the bullying, he must touch the knot on the Whomping Willow and follow the tunnel

-he is not punished for this

-SWM

-summer 1976 he has another huge fight with his parents and for the first time they actually hit him across the face

-that is the final straw for him and he leaves and moves in with the Potters

-this fuels his hatred for Slytherin and everything Sev stands for, so S bullies him even more

-he becomes more and more aware of the war and wants to fight

-he slowly changes his mind about Lily and actually starts rooting for Jily

-tries his very best to get them together

-likes both Peter and Remus, but mainly sees them as charity friends

-moves into his own house after graduation (inherited from Alphard)

-starts auror training, but drops out after a few months to fully focus on the war

-is J's best man

-is overjoyed to be named Harry’s godfather

-R often goes on long solo missions around the time Peter starts leaking information, so S suspects R of being the spy

-S is made the Potters's Secret Keeper in 1980

-he goes on a few missions where he watches many people die

-is torn up because of suspecting R to be a spy

-in October 1981 he is on a mission with members of the Bones family (they die and S is gravely injured)

-he decides that him being SC is no longer safe (if something were to happen to him, the Secret would become weaker or at least he thinks so) and suggests P instead (since he mistrusts R who’s on another long Order mission)

-switch 26.10.1981

-[Jily Wedding]

#harry potter #harry potter headcanon #harry potter series #hp headcanon #sirius black #sirius orion black #sirius black headcanon #anti sirius black #marauders #anti marauders #marauders headcanon #first wizarding war

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