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slothyykittee · 4 months
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Re-write of Seeing Stars
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TW: CHILD MISTREATMENT
As someone who has abusive and neglectful parents, Octavia has send me back to home. And yet, the fact that narrative is using her as a device to make Stolas more sympathetic was a bit triggering.
My dad have used me against my mom, saying how he's the breadwinner, and that he works hard to give me food, water and shelter, even though that's the bare minimum to take care of a child. He managed to make other people sympathetic to him, and saw me as a burden and another mouth to feed.
After watching Seeing Stars, I was very disappointed. The fact that Loona was exusing Stolas' behaviour is astonishing.
In my rewrite, Loona found Via sitting there, crying, and went to check on her.
"What's wrong?" Loona asked. Via noticed her, wiping her tears, and said "I'm.... fine."
"You are not. It's OK, I'm with you."
Loona sat besides Via. "Tell me."
"It's... it's supposed to be the day I will see the meteors, but my dad keeps shouting at Mom and broke his promise! I waited all these years for nothing! Why... *Why does he hate her more than he loves me?*"
Loona sighed. "I'm.... sorry Via... I'm...."
"And why he keep talking to that imp??"
"Oh Blitz? That's my dad."
Octavia raised an eyebrow.
"My adoptive dad." Loona continued. "Anyway, Via, I'm sorry, but your dad seems like a jerk, I just... it's that I already see him interacting with my dad, and the fact here, my dad only does this because he wants the... book" Loona points to the gimore next to Octavia.
"That is what keeps our business going." Loona puts her hand on Via's shoulder "The good thing is, you can get out from that shitsack and hang out with me instead."
"I-"
"You can tell your dad, he will accept anyway."
Octavia starts crying again. "I... never had a friend before.."
"Well, today's your lucky day!" Loona replied.
"Come on, you are ready?"
Via went down, followed by Loona
And...
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hugged.
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This is what I expected, and instead got excuses, excuses... on the actual episode. Viv would have used this episode to tell a heartwarming story, two survivors finding each other, becoming friends, and having fun despite their circumstances. She didn't do this. And for what? A gay ship that people can tell is toxic? Because Stolas is her pet, and so defends him? Sadly, this potential is yet again lost. And clearly, Octavia is sidelined unless to prop up her dad. We know this because in "Look My Way" the original lyrics for Octavia got removed.
I don't see much hope for either HH or HB. I hope this is a lesson for writers out there, to not repeat the mistakes Viv did.
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xx-slug-xx · 3 months
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Hello! It have been a while since i've heard about the controversies of Viv, especially about some of her views
If you want, can you explain about her transphobia, homophobia, racism and antisemitism, pls?
I’m not an expert by any means, but I can explain a little bit. There’s other sources that are more reliable than my word though, especially since I’m not going to go into huge detail lol. I encourage you to do your own research, my word is not law and there’s a good chance I’m misinformed.
I will give a disclaimer that, despite being proship, I do discuss some of the things she depicts in her fictional works on top of things she does irl. Some of which is just my opinions based on observation of the show. But most of this is in regard to stereotypes being portrayed, which is an area of fiction that actively perpetuates bigotry and I don’t really see it as “just fiction”. That’s just me though. There’s some screenshots of how she treats real people too.
Anyway, antisemitism:
The character Mimzy from HH is a blatant Jewish stereotype. Not only is she someone who’s extremely money hungry, small sharp teeth, short, fat, has a nasally voice, but she’s also got the classic hooked nose that’s seen in antisemitic propaganda, (none are bad things on their own. If it wasn’t for all of them combined, then I wouldn’t think twice about it tbh) On top of that, she’s not a well liked character in the show, being portrayed as annoying, selfish, greedy, and even sleazy to some extent. She’s not a character that has many positive aspects to her
But on top of that the character Rosie is based on the Jewish mother stereotype as well. It’s even in her audition notes.
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But wait! There more! She was a fan of the I-hate-jewce blog here on tumblr, as she followed them and did an art trade with them that depicted Hitler as a Sausage Party character. The excuse she makes was that she didn’t believe in I-hate-jewce’s opinions, but admired their way they voiced their opinions. And that it was a different time when making jokes and stating harmful opinions like these were “more accepted”. Which, to me, is a piss poor excuse for being a bigot in the past and/or present.
Onto transphobia:
This screenshot may be faked, but it also lines up with her pfp at the time the screenshots were taken, as well as other viewpoints she’s lauded to. They are from discord, formatting is wierd bc they were taken in compact mode
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However, she does misgender her trans associates. There’s been an ongoing (to my knowledge) situation and dispute between someone named Ken and Vivzie. Ken uses they/them pronouns. Vivzie has been seen many times referring to Ken using she/her, despite knowing Ken’s identity quite well. Here’s some screenshots from some times they’ve talked together, Vivzie talking about Ken to others, and Ken voicing their concern twards Vivsies views on their gender. (Sorry for bad quality btw)
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In addition to this, Vivzie in the past (when zoophobia was being worked on), has created a character by the name of Jojo who was a direct caricature of a past friend that she clearly didn’t like.
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Here’s the character
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Plus, folks who have worked with Spindlehorse have discussed that transphobia is an issue in the work place. Not really Vivzie’s fault, she can’t control everything. But still, it’s odd and not cool that this continued to be an issue.
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Millie’s trans brother in HB doesn’t have any speaking roles, or even a name. And there was an error in one of the episodes he appears in where his horns indicate that’s he’s cis male instead of being trans (not a huge concern, animation errors happen. I just find it not cool that rep for trans men was overlooked) She also doesn’t credit people who voice the only trans masc character with a speaking part, plus he’s also unnamed. But from the looks of it, his VA is a cis male. Keep in mind the contrast for Sallie Mae being that her VA is a trans woman.
Vivzie has shown a pattern of not respecting trans men as real men. Or any afab person as their gender if it’s something other than cis. It’s a pattern that’s come up that can’t be denied imo. It’s especially obvious when it’s towards people she has some sort of beef with.
Would also like to bring up how her merch sexualizes Sallie Mae. Like, to the same degree that the main characters of HB are. She’s a side character who has minimal speaking parts and appearances. Yet, she’s sexualized to hell and back. I’m all for making trans women feel desirable and beautiful, because they are! I think it’s great! But imo, I find it kinda weird that her trans fem rep is treated like this when she’s not a main character. Plus, her merch doesn’t do that to her trans masc characters. Why do it to one but not the others? But hey, that’s just me and it’s not a rule that everyone has to agree with me on that lmao
Racism:
Valentino is black coded, and is a blatant black stereotype (violent, black, drug addicted pimp archetype who sexually abuses people). I don’t feel like I need to explain why that’s not a great look.
Alastor is “black coded” (ashy skin and he’s white washed to hell). He uses voodoo, which is a closed practice that black slaves created to empower themselves and have a connection to their roots despite their horrible circumstances. He’s “mixed” Creole from some older depicting of him in notes if I recall.
She has supported Blaire White (she did black face and mocked blm) (look up that whole issue lol, too much there to talk about but I’m putting it here anyway) before back tracking when people realized what was going on. Vivzie back peddles a lot on her past though, never making a true apology or owning up to her past actions.
Any characters that DONT look white washed in the shows are not designed by her. Every poc character that she designs herself is white washed to hell and back. I know they are demons, they don’t look human, that’s a given. But Grim from TGAOBAM is a literal skeleton, but you still know he’s black. There’s better ways to depict bipoc coded characters though, that’s my point. She prides herself on her bipoc representation, when it’s shit representation when she’s the one soully behind it imo. There are really good character designs that depict people of color, but they aren’t Vivzie’s ideas and that credit goes to the character design team!
Sir Pentious is based on another ex friend of hers who she used to mock. She didn’t like him, saw him as a joke, etc. He was indigenous American, his hood is ment to look like his hair (which Vivzie mocked extensively). The whole “inventor” aspect of his character is ment to mock the steampunk aesthetic that her ex friend liked. He’s also the butt of a lot of jokes. Overall, I don’t think it’s very cool that Vivzie has repeatedly shown to make caricatures of real like people who belonged to minority groups.
Nifty’s pilot design depicted her skin as yellow. She’s Japanese. This is on top of being a maid and being boy crazy. That’s not a stereotype at all /sar. (She’s one of my favorites and she did get a redesign in the premier. And she got the best jokes in the show so far imo. She’s silly lol but I still wanted to bring it up, despite how much I like her)
She has ignored bipoc fans when they express being uncomfortable with anything relating to how she depicts poc characters. And it’s blatant that she doesn’t care about the voices of concern from her bipoc fans. If you are going to depict bipoc characters in your show, especially cultural depictions, listen to people who are bipoc and who come from those cultures you are depicting! She as a white person needs to listen to bipoc people when they voice their concerns to her about characters that are supposed to represent them!
Also! During her recent trip to Japan, she ate at McDonald’s and KFC despite there being a boycott due to the companies both supporting Israel. Idk how you feel about it, anon, and it’s not something I’ll go into too much detail over since I’m not super knowledgeable on it. But it’s a really important detail about Vivzie to a lot of people out there, and I wanted to bring it up because of that. (I hate all wars and genocides before anyone makes assumptions about my stances)
Homophobia:
Not much to say reguarding this other than I found that she favors mlm relationships heavily over wlw relationships. HB isn’t a show that focuses on lesbian relationships because that’s just not the way the show is written, and that’s fine. However, she prides herself on the wlw rep she created due to HH being female focused. The main relationship between Charlie and Vaggie feels pushed away in favor of more mlm relationships. They clearly have been dating for a while, and so, their relationship doesn’t need to be explored as much as some others imo. However, to me the show doesn’t do too much with them and there’s a large focus on the male characters and their relationships as opposed to the female lead and her girlfriend.
I will give her credit on her depictions of gay and bi men, I do like a lot of those and I can’t really find anything terrible to say about that or find evidence of how she treats real gay people. Everyone is free to think whatever they want though. However, queer people are the only minority group that Vivzie actively is in support of from what I’ve seen, which is sad imo.
You could say that Angel Dust is a homophobic stereotype (sex loving, drug addicted, drag queen, sex worker, feminine), but there’s real people in the world who share his experiences and it makes me feel like the people who claim such just don’t take into account of the real people in the queer community who share similarities to him. Like, there’s a lot of queer men who do sex work and are addicted to various substances. It’s a struggle and his character is a testament to that.
Anyway, do your own research, come up with your own conclusions, you can still like her work and characters, and all that! This is stuff off the top of my head that I could think of.
(Any Vivzie stans who try to tell me that this is either all faked or rumors will be ignored btw. I’m tired of dealing with y’all every time I say anything about her that’s even remotely negative. You guys can like what you like, even if your attachment to Vivzie is unhealthy imo and you shouldn’t place anyone on a pedestal. She’s not perfect, nobody is. This is my opinion, and it won’t change. I don’t hate her shows or her work. I just dislike her as a person.)
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hellaverseroleplay · 2 months
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showtoonzfan · 1 year
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(Last ask got cut off on my end, this isn't spam lol) What I was trying to say was, HB and HH get all this blind praise for its- really bad representation of LGBTQ+ characters. The only trans character is fetishized, yet Viv is treated like this hero for trans rep. Stolitz (the main gay ship) has the plot-line of a yaoi fanfic. Angel Dust (the supposed positive gay rep) is literally a walking stereotype of not just gay men, but sex workers as well. Alastor (the aro/ace 'rep') is just the classic serial killer who's too in love with himself to ever love anyone else. Not to mention the whole 'spooky-ooky voodoo' thing he has is straight up disrespectful to the religion. But ironically, the straight couple(s), including Moxxie and Millie AND Lilith and fucking Lucifer live this fairy-tale dreamworld and the only good rep from the show is literally from background characters or a one off character we'll probably never see again. Wanted to know how you think Stolitz should be re-worked (if it can be saved atp. It's hopeless as of now) Along with how you think Alastor can be good representation if the effort is put into him.
Agreed with everything here. So sorry for the late reply, just a message to all my followers real quick, keep in mind guys that if you send me something, I’ll get to you in time! I get a lot of asks, so it’s hard to keep track sometimes, but I haven’t forgotten you! 👍
Also yes, I do believe Stolitz can be saved, but of course things would need to change. Now I don’t mean on a rewriting standpoint, but I do mean just….moving forward. To make a long story short, what Stolas needs to do is get his shit together. He needs to acknowledge and FULLY own up to what he did, how badly he treated Blitz, and how he couldn’t make his daughter his priority. He was selfish, possessive, and toxic, and honestly he just needs to figure out what love IS because he clearly doesn’t know how to treat a partner. The show also really needs to start doing some actual GOOD storytelling, I want to see why exactly Stolas fell in love with Blitz, what impact he had on him, and why he pins onto him so much. The show failed at making me feel like Stolas felt any genuine feelings towards Blitz, and because of that I don’t even want the two together because there’s nothing to go OFF of, there’s just…no chemistry outside of them meeting once as kids, and then fucking, and that’s the major problem, but like I said, this can be saved, so long as Stolas admits his faults and actually WORKS to be better. On a realistic standpoint, Stolas should honestly just leave Blitz alone, figure things out for himself, tend to his family and take time alone, because I honestly don’t think he’s ready for a relationship, until he fixes himself. That’s why I would HOPE that from what we’ve seen in episode 1 of season 2, Stolas gives Blitz an Asmodeon crystal, and cuts ties with him until further notice. I would love this idea, it would show us the first step example of Stolas actually trying to better himself. And speaking of Blitz, he needs to do the same thing. Cut ties with Stolas, and get his shit together. The problem is just that both these characters are just horrible people who need to admit their faults and work on being better, THEN they should see if they’re able to be in a relationship. The problem is….that when it comes to how Blitz sees Stolas, the show through storytelling has done nothing but show that he doesn’t like him, and feels trapped, only screwing him for Lust and pity. It’s honestly safe to say that as a writer, Vivzie has fucked up multiple times when it comes to their relationship. Every time she has a chance to improve it, she makes it worse, and with season 2 episode 2 being the recent episode, it can only go further downhill from here. Again, there’s still a chance to improve this moving forward, but I feel like the only way to do that is for Stolas to just give Blitz the crystal and focus on himself for a bit.
As for Alastor, I’m going to be 100% honest, I don’t really think his asexuality needs to be explored in the show. Not that I have anything against that because I don’t, it’s just think that with a character like Alastor, is there really a need to explore it? With a writer like Vivzie, I personally always felt like she never had the intention to. I feel like her idea for his character was just that he was obsessed with himself and too focused on other things to be in a relationship, and that’s it, no double meaning regarding sexuality. It felt more like she labeled him as ace because she wanted representation points, when she easily could have said “he’s obsessed with himself because he’s a homicidal maniac serial killer” and just leave it at that, it would have made sense and I wouldn’t have batted an eye because it fits with his character. Meanwhile fans always made his asexuality a big deal and I never understood it. For a character like Angel, I get it, because he wasn’t allowed to be himself during the 40’s and is now openly gay in hell, but Alastor? Why would I care about this man being ace, who’s literally a serial killer that’s probably murdered thousands of souls and is one of the most feared beings in hell? Who’s also clearly mentally insane? I dunno, y’all can disagree with me on this, but this is just my opinion. People also call Al good ace representation and Lmao….no? Go look at Todd from Bojack Horseman, THAT’S good ace rep, Alastor only feels ace to me because he’s a dick who only likes himself. However please again keep in mind that these are my opinions, if you’re happy there’s an Ace character in the show, that’s 100% okay! As for Alastor and the voodoo stuff being disrespectful, I can’t really speak on this subject because I don’t have the proper knowledge, so I’m not saying I disagree, I just can’t speak on the subject lol.
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zaunseye · 5 months
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pinkandpurple360 · 5 months
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Im the anon from the heterophobia ask, just wanted to pop back in to say really its ok!! I really did figure you just didn’t realize, and thats totally fine things happen! You really do seem like a very lovely person. And I’m sorry to hear that they were mean to you, do you mean the person that was in the pictures that the OP was talking about? Either way, I am genuinely sorry to hear that, and I’m certain you didn’t deserve that from them /srs.
I do agree with your thoughts on straight people and talking down or taking serious topics and fetishizing them, its a genuine issue. LGBT stories should always be treated with heavy care and delicacy. And are you talking about Valentino and Angel Dust? Because even as someone who enjoys the series, I agree I am very worried about the portrayal of these two. That is something that shouldn’t be commodified or sexualized at all, and should always be heavily condemned. That’s why I’m interested to see how they address the topic since its so multifaceted. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt until the series comes out and we can finally see it for ourselves, and hope that they wrote Angel Dusts story with the care it needs. If you want my opinion, I’d say that they are both land field characters and I personally would not have added this many aspects to them that could be so detrimental if its portrayed wrong. Especially Angel Dust. A lot can go very wrong there narratively.
Either way, I just wanted to say I’m sorry if I made you feel bad or anything, that definitely wasn’t my intent. I appreciate that you took the time to consider what I had to say, not many people are willing for that now a days. Hope your day is good! Also completely unrelated, but I really REALLY loved your analysis of Mammon, it was such a great read.
You’re very sweet too anon 💜 and you’ve encouraged me to do better so thank you
The original Twitter user in that screenshot, just told me to shut up and blocked me.
I think I’ll take a breath and follow your example, let’s wait and see what happens with this depiction and react to it as it comes. For my own sake I need to be very careful what accounts I expose myself to in fandom. Unfortunately a lot of this toxic immature behaviour is rife, and in getting upset I’ve allowed myself to contribute to it. If I start a discussion and it ends with us being mutually blocked it feels like a failure. It’s very hard to have discipline sometimes honestly 😅
As for whether I’m talking about HH or HB? Yeah…kindve worrying that this could apply to either of the two isn’t it? At least Angel has some hope.
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mcnagerie · 10 months
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Honestly seeing the route HB is going down.. makes me really worry for HH story.. and if its just like HB I'm dropping the series entirely. My main issue too is people complaining about us giving our opinion about the ep esp negative. I'm not sorry for disliking it and hating the character design. They can die mad about it.
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I'm putting this under a cut because I know some of the people who follow me are more sensitive towards negativity re: the Hellaverse:
Yeah, I'm sort of in the same boat with you, anon. I've been on my way out with HB for a while now, but I think the fact that I'm consistently having more negative things to say about the recent eps than positive, and the fact that as season two goes on, the things that I dislike just keep piling on, means that it's about time I let it go.
I'm still going to give HH a chance, but if the first season is just a repeat of all the shit I dislike about HB...it's probably time to move on. I've been getting more and more disenchanted as time goes on, and I've come to the conclusion that, while I might love the concept of HH, I'm really not liking the execution from what I've seen so far. It honestly makes sense, with how different the series is from stuff I usually get into, tbh.
I can definitely understand why people might feel defensive when criticism is lobbied against something they love and deeply identify with, especially when Viv has gotten tons of legitimately bad faith harassment hurled at her. But you can't let something you like define you, y'know? There's definitely a happy middle-ground where you can be at peace with the fact that someone may not like something that you do, and I just hope that people realize this and harassment towards critics becomes a lot less normalized in this fandom...but I kinda doubt it, tbh, and that's another thing that's been pushing me away.
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ben-the-hyena · 2 years
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Another vent post you can ignore and am sorry if it's in the main tag (I only do that so I or my followers or visitors can find it easily on my blog)
Btw before anyone remarks it, when I often complain about the way the ancient demons are portrayed in HH and HB I actually don't care about demonology and angelology accuracy, they are copyright free in fact mythological characters we can use however we want, I love other media in which angels and demons are inaccurate to their real selves like Good Omens and all these headcanons and fan theories people have with the Devil from Cuphead. No, my big issue is how not only they are completely different characters their main recognizable traits become background stuff (Stolas isn't a wise teacher anymore but just the horny gay stereotype. And why is Paimon not a humanoid demon on a camel anymore he looks nothing like his OG self. I was explained why perhaps snowflakes being geometrical are associated now with Andrealphus but STILL it's a big contrast with what he is supposed to do. AND THERE IS A LITERAL DEER DEMON WHY DID THEY MAKE ALASTOR ONE WHEN HE ISN'T AND WHY ARE STOLAS AND ALASTOR NOT FALLEN ANGELS ANYMORE-) and make them all interchangeable (ALL so far are excited and slutty with youngsters voices and swears full their mouths ; like I DO know Asmodeus is often seen as the demon of Lust so it's logical he is slutty and owns a brothel but since everyone else is like that he does NOT stand out at all) with oversatured designs, they take so much room in tags and Google searches they overshadow the real ones or the ones that appear in other media and the most rabid of Viv fans will argue they are her characters and if you reuse them you do plagiarism. And that's because of these things that as much as I don't care for angelology or demonology accuracies and completely forgive them for other fandoms and original stories I roll my eyes so hard you can see white and red blood veins when it comes to these shows
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mxchineherald · 5 months
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petitprincess1 · 3 years
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Hey you don't have to answer this or even acknowledge it and I honestly would prefer if you didn't respond to it directly where everyone could see because I don't want you to face further trouble but I'm honestly glad trick and 6 dipped not only away from you but out of the HH/HB fandom. For them to take something so far out of context and for trick to even say you're the cause of his bf's spiral was out of pocket because in the end, its their responsibility to be adults and actually curate their own fandom experience. They did it to themselves by literally having a cow over imagined prejudice. Hearts needs to seek fucking help because I read a few of their posts about you after the racist one she posted and they're all unhinged and completely incomprehensible. She needs either help from a professional or to get the hell off tumblr.
But I also want to say that I really hope you're okay and that all this drama didn't take too much of a toll on you. I really admire you and enjoy your blog a whole lot, especially when you post hh/hb theories and strixxie headcanons. Plus, you're my main source of finding new artists to follow, since tumblr never shows half of the people who post in the tag.
I can't really force you to keep this to yourself, but I'd just prefer it. I hope you have a nice day and look forward to future HH/HB episodes 💖
Sorry, but I gotta give my thanks and the only way for me to do that is by answering this. I won't put it in the main tag, obviously, but I'll still keep it on my blog.
These are really nice words and, don't worry, this didn't really bother me that much. It def got a little tiring after a while. Thankfully, I had friends that were there to keep me on my feet and wonderful anons like you. Also, yes, Tumblr is shitty at keeping track of all the art that goes through. Honestly, @tranquil-slaughterhouse is mainly responsible for finding the art that I do, since they really go through the tags. I'd suggest following them to find more art.
Once again, thank you, so much. Not only to you, but to everyone that helped me on that whole madness parade. Something was definitely learned there......Idk what exactly, but I'm sure this is a lesson in the mess that was that "discourse".
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floralkittygambler · 3 years
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Reposting for reasons
Response to Honest’s post here: Doing this to spread this awareness more as I know theres a bit of a rift in the critical community - plus I really fucking go on. Im PISSED and I do apologise however it NEEDS urgent addressing. I know people will hate me for it but Im used to hate and honestly? Hating rather than helping to solve the issue only furthers my fucking point here. So yeah this is so more people are aware (no offense to any of those involved in said rift either, but this is an important message. Thank you for understanding and if I can do anything to make all sides comfortable, then please message me and I’ll do my upmost.) “ More awareness of this is needed. Even if it’s your favourite, you can’t justify their shit but rally against another’s shit. Have people tell you you’re experiences arent real or invalid because, like Husk, people have - in real life - shipped you with someone you are far from comfortable with but you still treat them like a person. Because you have basic respect. And people force you to accept harassment, touching, stalking, advances for THEIR satisfaction. People use you for their fantasies. But you’re just a ‘tsundere’ for it. Or you have addiction issues but people think being with another addict will ‘save’ you because you’re apparently too incompetent to save yourself. Love isnt some magic fuckin cure so stop romanticising it as a fuckin saviour. It’s gross and fuckin creepy. Get stalked and have someone NEVER accept your no just because you show youre still decent enough to not treat them shitty or any different from anyone else. Try having someone way older or way younger (both in morally fucked up ways) advance on you and people encourage that. People you’re supposed to feel safe around.
People touch you when you pull away or show discomfort. Follow you home. Have pictures of you and wont accept you dont like them like that and it’s not ‘playing hard to get’ or ‘the thrill of the chase’. Fuck. OFF. In fact, Im not only disappointed in the fandom. Im disappointed in the entire team who some should know better from their OWN personal experiences - or at least the bare minimal of being a fucking adult. Im disappointed in especially females (sorry idk whether girl or woman is more appropriate here-) who statistically are more likely to have experienced something similar at some point in their lives think this is a cute gay moment. No. Angel is made out as a fucking predator - Im not saying he is, Im saying that his persistence is very fucking unwelcome like one. People like Husk dont need that fucking invasiveness. They/We need patience and someone on our level. Angel’s I know are the fuckin polar opposite - and some of them I know are very sexually harassing, including unwanted touching. It’s a shitty way to present gay people. Gays are fuckin people. Some are cunts and some arent. It’s a HUMAN thing. But considering the shit theyve been subjected to, presenting a gay as a victim only to also show them as a perpetrator is insulting! And for those Ive seen argue this about how people like AD wouldnt know how to express their love normally and whatnot? His pig. His best friend. He’s in his fucking 30s. There are literal real life criminals who get molested as kids and then go on to molest kids. Not all who grow up like that turn into nonces. Stop just fucking STOP justifying and romanticising this bullshit! I used to see the good in AD but now he makes me fucking sick. Especially with my verrrrrry fucking real traumas and connections. But fuck me, eh? Because this fictional guy matters so much more. Fuck real victims. And whilst we’re at it, fuck AD too when it suits your fetishes! Sarcasm aside, the fans and the team need to straighten up their abhorrent behaviour. Stolas. Fucking clearly having an affair, knowingly fucking up his daughter’s mental health and bribing a guy into sex who only wants the book and nothing more. He even has a fucking warning button over Stolas- Guys, how do you think any of this is cute? Even the team gross me out- I genuinely see potential and talent and it’s all gone to shit to satisfy horny teens, horny adults, and literally everyone who doesnt for the life of them understand being an adult is more than sex, drugs, violence and swears! I REALLY want to keep enjoying HB/HH but it’s getting harder and harder with such ignorant and bordering lazy creators (note: lazy as in wont do the fucking research or actually listen to real criticism and victims), such despicable fans (yeah, some HDers fuckin mocked that they triggered my ED, yet they had the fucking NERVE to support Angel’s potential ED AND laugh and blame me for me getting treated so badly for actually having the balls to call Angel and the teams hypocrisy. I got told to kill myself, that my problems arent real - oh but Angels apparently is! Which... They *are* but AD isnt real so technically only onlookers will suffer and not a drawing  - and they just excused their toxic behaviours. These people are like “aww poor angie babey!” yet fuckin INSULT sex workers. All this red in Hazbin yet it feels everyone and they mama colour blind. The issues are getting worse and fans are outright becoming EVIL, VILE, Vindictive little bullies - from kids to adults. You SHOULD be ashamed of yourself if you conduct yourself in such a manner. And you need to readjust your attitudes and behaviours because the only fuckers getting hurt are actual fucking victims. Ever been violated and been gaslit so much you STILL fucking question it’s reality? So you drown that shit out yet somehow it’s effects still hit you? Fetishise it. Make it your uwu gae couple goals, you’re no better than people believing Harley and the Joker werent toxic af. If this shit happened to you, most of you would actually SEE where we’re all coming from. Also, stop making gay a fetish - you’re like those creepy old men in the alley heckling lesbians to make out so they can wank off. Gays, no ALL the LGBT+ are fucking people too. So dont give me that bullshit then start turning everything just gay or just straight to mentally wank off to. It’s degrading and dehumanising. And yes, fiction does effect reality. You crush on a fictional character? Mourn one? Support one? Hell, fuckin jerk off to one - that’s affecting reality. Remember how in fiction all blacks were treated as villians? Look how theyre treated IRL. JAWS, great classic unfortunately their was a spike in shark killings over a fucking movie - the shark in the movie wasnt even real for the most part because they dont behave like that! (Also the animatronic was so shit they genuinely had so many issues - I think they even took to naming each one! Some fun trivia there!). Tiger sharks are more nasty than great whites as tiger sharks will hunt and eat a human. Great whites prefer seals and dislike human flesh, they just mistake us for seals. Hell, theres the toothless basking shark - theyre often SWAM WITH by divers for being so friendly. Yet Jaws made people think all sharks are bloodlusting over humans. Slenderman was created for a fucking contest and that influenced a stabbing (NOT Victor’s fault). Watch a horror movie that isnt based on a real life event and tell me that at least ONE has left you peaking over your shoulder. Stella may be a bitch - we dont know for certain - but try getting cheated on. Y’know what? Try growing up in such a broken home like Octavia. Yeah reaaaaaal fucking cute now, huh? Funny how as well y’all petition for male victims to be taken seriously then laugh when fictional males experience this abuse, further adding to stigma. You can be hit on by the hottest mf on the planet but if you arent interested, that should be respected! Also we’ve all been inspired by at least one fictional character so yeah. Yknow, since I was little Ive been fighting for sex worker and homeless rights. But HH/HB treatment of both leave a bitter taste in my mouth. I’ll still fully support sex workers and the homeless, but that’s the fucking effect this show is having. Bearing in mind I wont ever share everything Ive been through - and I shouldnt fucking have to in order to be believed and validated (obvs proof is required in a legal case but that’s a whole other topic). Why should I share MY fucking pain especially when you fuckers have belittled and triggered it more so? We have our rights to our secrets but fuck ME you lot NEED to start acting appropriately and like decent fucking humans. ‘iTs HeLl’ yeah and welcome to Earth- the team and yourselves live HERE. You obide by THESE rules. And as someone with beliefs (and a LOT of ancient fucking texts and studies on this shit) their Hell isnt even a proper Hell! It’s closer to purgatory and even then it’s not. Regardless, it’s a poorly built world with the lore consistently changing per episode and tweet, with many plot holes, and is apparently easy to get into - even via accidentally watching porn according to a stream. If youre gonna parade youre a fucking expert and research into demonology and use real believed figures, at least get THAT right. In fact, Lucifer and Lilith (and Stolas tbf) are ESPECIALLY risky as theyre a lot more complex than most easy access texts will tell you. Likewise, Stolas’s first introduction and main focus is sex. He’s one of the FEW Goetia demons that dont have some involvement in relationship issues at ALL. He’s known for astrology, crystals and herbs but hes also known to aid MONEY troubles (it’s lesser known but it’s true! HB Stolas is an insult to the Prince). Turning Vodou into something evil is vile considering it’s powerful and liberated slaves. Pentagrams are nothing to do with Satan, they’re magic based sigils. Upside down cross is the symbol of a SAINT. It’s just some edgy attempt to trick people into believing they know more than they do. Also you should NEVER dabble and doodle sigils without knowing the meanings or respecting what they behold. Vox and Val, real fuckin cute way to make them look like a stupid fucking highschool drama instead of a fucking SEX TRAFFICKER (note: real pimps often target YOUNG folks too - aka minors - and groom them into sex work. Theres different types of pimp. Viv has shown barely any understanding of ‘the game’ and its a fucking insult to injury. Yes we KNOW what a fucking pimp and prozzie are! We dont need to see it. We need REAL AWARENESS.) and a fucking scheming bastard of a CEO salesman botman. And yet even THEN lets go a step further and make some yandere wuv on boyfweind aboose! Fuck off- Now I love a good anime but these tropes are getting fucking dangerous now. And unrealistic to real love and relationships. Kids nowadays know fuck all on a healthy relationship (neither did the fuckin 50s tbf) and Im seeing more romaticism and glorifying abusive situations. Like the show ‘You’. Ok, there’s a fuckin bloke online who slaughtered innocents and kidnapped yet people commented how cute he is on his IG and that they want to be kidnapped or killed by him next. Dont believe me? Look up Peter Manfredonia Connecticut and the comments people left him and then tell me why shit like whats being presented in HH/HB ISNT fucking concerning - because it is. For a series about redemption, it’s brilliant at the opposite (Quote from the creator herself, Viv has posted that it’s influencing her bad choices. Even as a joke, proof’s in the pudding). And the overall focus on sex in the way Viv does is so immature and really creepy, and this is from an ADULTS perspective. From one adult to another, Im concerned as to why any of them think this is a normal fixation. Then again they’ve hired quite a large amount of dodgy folks and even a child. Most of this shit gets avoided with a basic background check like most companies run. I DO like Hazbin. Or the premise. I love some of the cast and spite the others. In Helluva, I just like a tiny portion of the cast. And I critique it so harshly because Viv DOES need a wakeup slap, grounding to reality, people who arent going to big her up or kiss her arse for once and shape her up to be the best she can be. The actually reach and even surpass her potential. And to reach where you need to be, there’s a lot of harsh lessons youll face. That’s life. Shes chosen one of the most HEARTLESS industries and if she blocks out critique as ‘hate’ then she’s not strong enough and wont last. It’s just another unprepped YanDev again (except I dont believe Viv to be a nonce. Even with her dodgy past and dodgy present, I think her perspective on sex and relationship with sexuality is FAR from healthy BUT I dont believe she’s a pedophile. Ive bled my fair share and so far, I just think her sex perspective isnt healthy or mature for her age. But there’s little to nothing to suggest actual noncery - dont worry about accusations there. But YanDev is totally a dirty predator. Just clearing that up). Viv NEEDS some harshness and stability if she wants to do things right. And it’ll make her fucking cry but if she loves these projects as much as she claims to, then you’ll sacrifice blood, sweat and tears for that shit. Even the strongest points are mediocre at best when properly observed. She CAN do more, but she’ll have to face the harsh music. Viv wont see this, but if she does, I dont care if it upsets her. Why? Because this is that much of an issue - something she’s cultivated - that she needs to take action and not ignore it or be secretive about it. She needs to grow up and get tougher skin. Im not saying this to cause her pain. In fact, I wouldnt waste my fucking limited time if I DIDNT care. Trust me, I have duties to be met at a certain quota every single day. I say this shit only because I give a shit and care. If we met, she’d fucking hate me. But people like me are good for shaping people up to their potential. And we arent always this ‘tough love’ either. But when someone needs that level of harshness to help themselves, we’re not afraid to lose people or cause upset if the results end up being the best for them. If she ever saw this, she needs to re fucking evaluate her message, her story, and those she’s choosing to welcome into her circle. And all Im seeing is one rookie mistake after the other. Her paid patreon discord. Just like the messages Honest has posted on her side of being harassed (not in Vivs fyi), Ive experienced shit and bullying and even stay silent on their for being attacked for a group I fuckin paid to be in and yet I feel isolated. It’s all arsekissing and ‘thank you viv’ (thats an actual channel-) and it feels like a place of borderline worship and people trying to appease her 24/7 whilst kicking others with different opinions down. There’s so many I love but I aint kissin yer fuckin arse. Ask the closest friend I have - we’re fucking raw and wont just side with each other just because. We’ll call each other out if we think they’ve fucked up and then help each other build themselves up better. Because real fuckin people who actually care wont just want to be adored by you. They’ll care enough to point out your bullshit and help you, even if they upset you at the time. They’re real and upfront with you. People like us arent always the easiest to be close to either because we arent afraid of upsetting someone if it’s in their best interest and to help them. Likewise, we dont go out looking for fights either. Most times, we’re fuckin soft bastards- All this shit listed is the fuckin surface level of the real life hell of this fandom. And unsurprisingly, those who experience little to no toxicity have always been higher on that popularity ‘food chain’ - enough admirers and shared opinions that people wanna arse kiss regardless of their OWN feelings as well as neutral perspectives. I’d say you’re the lucky fans, but you’re not. You’re sheltered, and that isnt always the best way to be sadly. As for the fans. If Ive upset you. Well... I dont care. Because many of you have actively sought me out and weaponised my traumas against me. You never cared about my feelings then. Why should I care about yours? Im not doing this out of malice. Im fed up of humans behaving so pathetically yet claiming to be high and mighty. Most of you have been arseholes to those in and out of the community. The victims and non-victims alike. Hardly any of you considered once my real suffering. You put a drawing over a life. Many lives. You had the audacity to tell me Im full of shit. Some even using my real traumas to make a mockery of me and those Im around with a very similar history. Some with traumatic histories that differ from my own. You hardly ever considered the real lives of those effected. So no, Im not sorry for having the fucking balls to this day to still stand up for our rights and give us a voice that’s long been stolen. Im not sorry for being a fucking victim. Im not sorry for saying what desperately NEEDS voicing. And Im not sorry for not conforming to you or any fandom just to belong. We deserve better than to constantly be your fuckin arse monkeys (well... the trope is butt monkey but yknow-) and to be mistreated, misrepresented and harmed by you. You’re no different to the school bullies who give speeches on anti-bullying day. And I hope every single one of you starts looking into yourselves and improving. PS: Depending on the texts you read, Lucifer is said to have been redeemed or to be redeemed. Fun fact to haunt yalls with~ “
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dappercritter · 4 years
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About the friendship ended with viv,what did viv did?,sorry I'm not much on internet recently and I thought HH and HB has potencial?
Well, it’s a long and hard story to explain. Basically, there were some stupid things that Viv did and... well, it’s not easy to explain. One hand she already apologized for apparently, but the internet is divided down the middle between folks that think she’s a good person with lots of talent who deserves forgiveness and folks who aren’t convinced and think she’s still full of it. I don’t know. I’ve been following her stuff for a long time, to the point where she became a huge influence and also an embarrassing crush, and I don’t really know what to say anymore. I think that might have been too hard on her, but I also think that she still does some dumb things from time to time and I can’t say that I support everything she does now.
HH and HB are alright, as far as independent adult cartoons go. I think they have potential and we all know a show can be good regardless of its creator’s antics (*high fives Danny Phantom*), but they’re also adult cartoons that rely on the tried-and-true formula of “it’s vulga and it’s in a cartoon so it’s funny!” Which is not my style. Which really sucks because big musical numbers and colorful, stretchy edgy characters are.
Of course, if you like them and Viv herself, that’s fine. You do you, I’ll do me.
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movedtojowiccan · 4 years
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A bit of a ramble...
But I never really felt comfortable with the whole like, "you can like someones creations even when they can be a bad person at times."
But while watching Helluva Boss I have felt comfortable with the characters the moment I knew who was their VA's, Richard has been a huge part of my childhood from way back with Angry Beavers to Invader Zim. He influenced my childhood and helped me feel better when I was struggling with my parents neglecting me.
And to hear the spark I heard when I first saw a cartoon with Richard as a VA, I felt torn.. because stuff with my anxiety and comfort can influence me immensely and I have a good friend who gets exclusively uncomfortable when it comes to HH or HB or the creator herself.
Which I still feel uncomfortable with the creator, but even so I adore... Richard and I adore all of the hardwork he's done in his life. And I thank him for it.
I apologize for my ramble. But, people have their own expectations and experiences with different people and it's immensely difficult to portray feelings of admiration on the internet.
I love Richard Horvitz so unconditionally, I am a fan, I am a survivor of what I had to go through and his works helped me along the way.♡
I've met some people through Invader Zim who I love so very much and I don't feel like I have a right to meet those in the Helluva Boss fandom. Because of how I feel.
And for that I'm sorry for the followers who have followed me over Helluva Boss. But, I'm glad you all are enjoying HB as much as I am.
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