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discoursecallie · 2 days
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vivziepop is the true villain of hazbin hotel
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bump-inthe-night · 2 days
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Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss were made to cater to fandom instead of being real shows. Both are mainly focused on shipping, especially male/male ones, and introducing characters that we’re supposed to immediately love or hate, despite how one-dimensional they are. 
Hell is an hollow, confusing world due to little world-building and information that’s constantly contradicted and changing depending on the characters and situations. Vivziepop tells us more about how Hell is supposed to be than actually showing it. 
Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are empty, making it easy for people to build off the little information about her characters and Hell by filling in the blanks and making it into their own stories. Fans are more in love with the fanon versions they’ve created because they're more interesting than the canon Vivziepop has created. 
Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss serve as nothing more than story bases for fans to use instead of actual shows. 
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moldy-lemons · 3 days
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you. have got. to be kidding me.
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spopsalt · 2 days
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Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are the most childish adult shows I've ever seen.
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This is just a nitpick of mines but I hate how all Vivzepop characters look and sound young like stolas and stella have a daughter who is 17 years old yet both them look like they haven’t age past 20 which is weird same thing with Lucifer and Lilith Charlie is a adult why her parents look like they are around her age???😭 especially Lucifer he looks like her twin brother than dad
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penguinofspades · 22 hours
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The angels not knowing the rules for who gets into heaven makes zero fucking sense when the 10 commandments are right there.
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You could even use it to point out how corrupt Heaven is. For example, perhaps Sir Pentious is not accepted into heaven despite him genuinely redeeming himself because "sorry dude you didn't honor your parents lmao" or some shit like that.
Meanwhile, a more vile person (let's use Val as an easy example) could be on their deathbed. They make a last minute conversion and as a result they're accepted into heaven since they technically kept all of the commandments.
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cubeymccyrilson · 2 days
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Being honest here as much as I like the concept of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, it’s pretty much a wattpad adapted into a show that is pretty much a tv-14 show slapped with tv-ma to prove its older and “edgy” when it’s actually secretly aimed to edgy teenagers who crave that edge and all. You don’t believe me here’s PROOF
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teeth-cable · 2 days
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I need more people to talk about how just like the POC designs, the writing is terrible at clueing the audience what race and ethnicity the characters are.
Beside stereotypes, the racial coding in the writing is little to non-existence. The characters don’t have mannerisms from their cultures, speak in slangs or idioms relating to their group from their time periods, or make cultural references.
Without having to rely on outside sources (Livestreams, looking up VAs, leaked audition sheets, etc), the only characters I would successfully guess would be Vicky, Val, and Velvette, and even then, it doesn’t mean the racial coding is good.
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Vicky is the only one from this list whose racial coding isn’t atrocious. I can tell she’s Latino because she curses in Spanish, but that’s it. This is admittedly nick-picky , but I wish when cursing she would have used Salvadoreño specific slang and curse phases to signal she’s Salvadoreña.
Val, I can tell is Latino too, because of his accent and him cursing in Spanish, but it’s egregious. The accent fluctuates so much, it’s strong, then weak, then strong again. Not sure if the VA was struggling or if this was an intentional direction given to him, though the fact, I and other people were confused, at the direction, speaks for itself. Another issue with his accent is how it’s sexualized, contributing to the Latin Lover stereotype of his character.
Velvette, I won’t sugarcoat it. I wouldn’t even guess she was supposed to be black though the writing or the majority of her designs until the finale. The finale, the last episode of the season and the only time she has textured hair with her screen time being around two minutes and sixteen seconds in total.
Visual designs isn’t where race coding ends. This is important to remember because it ignores the good coded characters (King Dice from Cuphead, Darwin from TAWG, the Funk trolls from Dreamwork’s Trolls) and how Viv failed and could have done the racial coding better.
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For Viv, she has to rely on other coding methods too because there are characters who aren’t humanoid enough, or even humanoid at all, for visual coding to work. There really isn’t anything I can say to explain why the race coding sucks beside Viv doesn’t care about representing POCs.
I wanted to create this post to highlight how Viv fails at coding in every aspect. The fandoms and critics shouldn’t praised her for giving Velvette textured hair or darkening Sera’s skin from her leaked audition sheet. We need to stop praising creators, especially white ones, for doing less than the bare minimum (The bare minimum being making POC characters look POC) when creating POC characters, or worse, justify it. I’ve seen people tried to justify the terrible POC designs by using one of Carmilla’s daughters as an example, as if one decent POC design in a sea of ashy and euro-centric or erased features for the majority of the POC cast suddenly invalidates the criticisms.
I’m also getting tired of the fandom making posts questioning why people have and still draw the POC characters as white, as well as people harassing artists for accidental whitewashing. I’m hate the whitewashing too but in this case, it’s different because this is Viv’s own fault due to her poor racial coding. Not every fan will have the same intense knowledge you do or even should, to know what a character’s race or ethnicity is, that’s Viv’s responsibilities as the creator.
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Mind you, these were the human designs we had before the show aired. Alastor being mixed creole and Niffty being Japanese yet they look white as hell here.
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showtoonzfan · 2 days
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Bro your not black ya'll folks need to stop telling black people what there supposed to be offended by if we have a problem with something we don't need you folks to defend us let us speak up and do it ourself it honestly Annoying when other people who are not black or any other people of color gets offended for us do we sometimes Appreciate it yes we do but we don't need you people to do it all the time please let us do it ourselves yall Seriously make it seem like we can't speak up if we have a problem we'll do it ourselves okay have a good day.
1. I’m mixed creole
2. If this has something to do with how Viv treats her POC characters and the discourse behind that, I’m not telling people how to feel. That’s just me giving an opinion and inserting my two cents. Same for Viv’s controversy on SA victims. I’m not going to tell y’all how to feel, nor am I going to talk over people. You guys all have brains and can think for yourselves.
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Why Husk doesn't have a beer belly? Like he drinks alcohol why does he have twink body instead of having a belly????
If you dont draw Husk like this youre a liar and a coward
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gh0stygray · 1 day
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HAZBIN REDESIGN [WIPS]
YALL I PROMISE IM COOKING, we do a bit of design tweaking.
I wanna talk about them so badly!! BUT I CANT CRAFT MY REWRITE, HEADCANNONS AND LORE STUFF TILL IM DONE EM!!
I hate designing Angel and I’m not even done yet 😭
Feel free to ask me stuff about them cuz it’ll probs help me cook stuff up for em while getting out what I wanna say!
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-Hazbin hotel rant-
The only ship I actually like and see a chemistry in is Charlie x Emily,Like not even five minutes in and they already have a deeper connection with each other that I don't see with Charlie and Vaggie throughout the entire damm thing,
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Charlie x Vaggie is basic af,Like I'm totally fine with people shipping it and stuff but they are such a boring couple.They feel more like 'known for one week girlfriends' than 'been a couple for a few year's girlfriends'.
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Vaggie follows Charlie's plan not because it's also her plan but because It's Charlie's plan and she wants to feel useful to her and support her redemption idea but not even once does Charlie ask to Vaggie if Vaggie also want it or not,But Emily follows Charlie's plan because she actually believes in it and has the exact same ideas.Charlie and Emily are both very passionate about it and share such a bond that Vaggie just doesn't connect with.Just imagine if we actually got to see Emily showing Charlie around the zoo,Come on Vaggie would be totally third wheeling that.
Be careful Vaggie,Emily is about to steal yo girl.
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flower-boi16 · 3 days
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I find the comic dubs of Hazbin hotel before it came/ after it have better world building, character writing, and focus on the hotel more then the actual show itself.
Honestly, a lot of fanworks for HH and HB are better than the actual shows. Like I feel like the fans are better writers than Viv herself...I think some of them should be writing Hazbin lmao.
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dyssonant-skyline · 20 hours
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Hi! :] For the little edits/changes ideas post have you considered doing edits of charlie with a more gold/blue palette? Something that would fit more in heaven given her character o: that or lucifer with something more violet since that's the biblical color of Pride?
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(This was really really fun to do, like making alt color palettes for a fighting game lmao, also excuse the janky pixelated lineart, I am NOT good at extracting it)
I didn't make any alterations to add patterns or anything, just flat fills where color already was. I think they turned out well!
For the pride purple, I added a golden undershirt since I think it contrasts well and all
The heaven design has the original pilot pupils, with a lighter pink blush as more human-ish features on her design. I wanted to keep the yellow pants, but I thought they might be a bit too bright and attention grabbing so there is an alt.
Thanks for asking! :D
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spopsalt · 1 day
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Soooo who's gonna tell Viv that she can write complex female characters without bare-bones personalities?
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resisteverything · 3 days
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The fact that Charlie, the resident innocent un-demon like character, swears like a sailor at random unfitting moments, saying fuck all the time but rarely saying less serious swear words, it’s kind of bizarre. I respect their restraint at having the Seraphim angels never swear, it’s a good contrast that makes the world feel more real, but the fact that Charlie in most situations doesn’t ever swear but also swears at extremely out of character moments, that feels wrong.
The pilot was better about this. The one time she swore as far as I remember was her clearly forcing it to seem tough, but now she just swears because that’s what Hazbin characters do and it’s a gimmick I guess. Like there are people tallying each characters swear words in youtube videos like they’re so amused by the fact that this adult show used adult language (see what I meant by this not being a real adult show?).
So I guess we have to simultaneously make her a character who swears but also doesn’t swear, to the point that she cusses out an annoying old lady in one scene but doesn’t cuss out a rapist, and says sorry before hitting a genocidal soldier but says “die motherfucker” to that same soldier two seconds later.
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