#pro prequels

[inquisitor-apologist]

I love the Star Wars fandom. People will say objectively insane things like “the baby murderer did nothing wrong! It was actually the babies’ fault (and also the one black man in a position of power) that they were murdered!” and “the real bad guys are the religious minority that the evil space fascist empire (which is clearly styled after Nazi Germany) murders and hunts!” and you’re just supposed to act like those are normal and reasonable opinions to have.

#i was going to have something about the Thrawn fans who don’t think he should be a villain bcuz he’s ‘trying to protect his people’ #but that one’s just so mind-rottingly dumb that I couldn’t #and also it made it too long #star wars #Star Wars fandom #pro jedi #pro prequels

[auditect]

Ladies, if your strong female character...

is a skilled pilot

can use force lightning without turning to the dark side

hails from a force-sensitive lineage

her weapon of choice is either a blue or a yellow/orange lightsaber

That's not your strong female character! That's Plo Koon!

#star wars #star wars eu #star wars legends #plo koon #rey of jakku #star wars sequels #sequel trilogy #star wars sequel trilogy #prequel meme #prequel trilogy #pro prequels #star wars prequel trilogy #prequel memes #prequels #sw prequels #star wars prequels #rey #rey palpatine #star wars meme #star wars memes #star wars crack #sw crack #starwars #Kel'Dor #Keldor

[foundfamilynonsense]

I know people hate midi-chlorians and that’s valid but I will say I’m forever grateful the ability to control the force is something you’re born with not something you get from wisdom.

Like, to use the force intelligently and kindly you have to be wise and thoughtful. But the ability to control the force is more a genetic thing. More luck. All types of people can be force sensitive.

I like this because before TPM there were a lot of fans who thought the ability to control the force was something anyone was capable of if you were wise/ deep enough. Which isn’t quite what was insinuated in the original trilogy but I know quite a few people thought that.

But the problem with that belief is not only does it make non force sensitive people inherently lesser than force sensitives (Han solo can’t use the force because he’s Stupid and Arrogant vs Han Solo can’t use the force because he doesn’t have that gene) but it also tells us that people who use the dark side are wise and thoughtful and whatever. Which… is not true. Against everything Star Wars is about. They are just pieces of shit who got the genetic lottery.

Force sensitivity being a genetic thing even helps improve the image of the Jedi, in my opinion. You’re born with magic powers and you’re raised to use them to help everyone not for monetary gain or power or whatever and you honor that great tradition.

And then we’ve got room to play. Sure not everyone is force sensitive, but everyone has the force. You just have to be connected to the galaxy, know yourself, have faith, whatever and you can do things that are extraordinary. Han Solo can pilot a ship through an asteroid field because he has a cause and he needs to. Churrit can walk through blaster fire for the same reason.

And if Lucas decided the way to make this canon was to talk about little life forms in people’s blood than that’s his choice. As long as it’s not about a person’s character or strength of will because we know that’s not true (see palpatine)

#this might be nonsense but I had some thoughts #star wars #midi-chlorians #star wars prequels #pro prequels

[jedi-enthusiast]

So you guys know how the Jedi Order is filled with people from pretty much every world and species? Think about all the unique cultural things the Jedi would practice simply because the Order is basically a giant melting pot.

A Kalikori made out of Akul teeth, passed down through a lineage and carved in multiple different styles to represent the cultures of each of the lineage members.

Different Jedi taking inspiration for their cultural face tattoos from their Togruta master's lekku or their friends' facial tattoos or the designs on a Council member's cultural headdress.

Recipes that are fusion foods made of like five different cultural dishes because a group of friends all got drunk together, got the munchies, and fucked around in the kitchen until something tasted good.

Like, just everyone sharing their cultures with each other and then people adapting their cultures based on their lineages and the shared culture in the Order, shared culture being a form of expressing love and adopting someone into the Order/a lineage.

Obviously there would be things that are off limits and permission would have to be given and the Jedi would probably emphasize learning the culture before ever adapting it, but I just think that after thousands of years their would be a lot of shared culture among the Jedi.

Oh, and languages! With how many languages are probably spoken in the Order, I wouldn't be surprised if the Jedi basically spoke bastardized versions of every language mashed together---it'd probably be an always moving/changing/evolving thing that no one but the Jedi can understand because the Jedi use the Force to bridge any gaps there might be in someone's understanding.

A lot of words and phrases would be taken from Dai Bendu, just because it's my personal headcanon that the Jedi still speak it, but then it would branch out from there into Twi'leki and Togruti and Durese and everything else all mixed together.

I just...I love the idea of the Jedi having a mixed culture that reflects the diversity of the Order.

#star wars #sw prequels #pro jedi #pro jedi order #jedi appreciation #jedi culture #jedi culture appreciation

[bbygirl-obi]

"the jedi don't have therapists-"

jedi philosophy, and in particular the practices and teachings that jedi were expected to implement in their everyday lives, was therapy. dialectical behavior therapy (dbt), to be exact. anyone who's familiar with dbt knows where i'm already going with this, but like genuinely look up the basic tenets of dbt and it's identical with what the jedi were doing.

dbt, to put it simply, is a specific therapy technique that was designed for ptsd and past trauma. it's pretty different from traditional talk therapy. it combines a few different environments (individual, group, etc.), recognizing that no single format of treatment can stand alone.

the key focuses of dbt include:

emotional regulation- understanding, being more aware of, and having more control over your emotions

mindfulness- regulating attention and avoiding anxious fixation on the past or future

interpersonal effectiveness- navigating interpersonal situations

distress tolerance- tolerating distress and crises without spiraling and catastrophizing

i'm sure it's already clear from that list alone how much the jedi teachings correspond with the goals of dbt. the jedi value, teach, and practice the following:

identifying and understanding emotions

mindfulness and living in the present

compassion, diplomacy, and conflict resolution (on interpersonal scales, not just planetary or galactic)

accepting and tolerating certain levels of distress or discomfort (particularly mental, such as discomfort at the thought of losing a loved one to death)

idk man seems almost as if jedi mental health practices and dbt are two sides of a completely identical coin. (fun fact: both star wars and dbt are products of the 70s.)

and guess what? dbt was specifically designed as a treatment for borderline personality disorder. remember that one? or, if you don't, maybe you remember a specific character, the one who was literally used as an example by my professor in my undergrad psych class when she was teaching us about bpd?

tldr: simply existing within the jedi community, practicing jedi teachings, surrounded by a support network of other jedi of all life stages, was the therapy for anakin. even when viewed through a modern lens. it was even, more specifically, the precise type of therapy that has developed in modern times to treat the exact types of mental issues he was struggling with.

#dbt #dbt therapy #dbt skills #dialectical behavior therapy #bpd #borderline personality disorder #anakin skywalker #anakin #star wars #sw #prequel trilogy #prequels #jedi #jedi culture #jedi philosophy #pro jedi #jedi appreciation #jedi order #attachment #non attachment #mindfulness #in defense of the jedi

[nateofgreat]

A reminder that Bail Organa, upon seeing the Jedi Temple in flames, immediately flew straight over to investigate himself with no guards and no weapons of his own. And upon being told there was a rebellion by the clone troopers there, he attempted to walk past them and see what was happening himself.

It was only after they aimed blasters at him that Bail leaves with a newfound resolve to stop Palpatine. He didn't wait until Palpatine declared himself Emperor to know he had to do something. He knew he was bad right there.

#Bail Organa #Bail Organa appreciation #Star Wars #Star Wars prequels #Pro Jedi #Jedi Order #pro Jedi Order #pro Bail Organa #Order 66

[antianakin]

I never, ever say the Jedi were flawed, and here's why.

It's not because I don't think people can BE flawed, or that I don't think GOOD people can be flawed, of course they can. Even people who are genuinely doing good things and making good choices and trying their best to be selfless and kind and compassionate can make mistakes and have a bad day.

But there's really only two reasons I see anybody bring up "the Jedi were flawed."

The first is from Jedi fans who are trying to stave off the Stanakins and the anti Jedi crowd by adding that in as a disclaimer. "OF COURSE the Jedi are flawed, but it doesn't mean they aren't good people!" It's a meaningless statement because the side saying it doesn't even really believe it to be true and the side they're saying it TO thinks the Jedi being flawed means they all deserved to die. This is the kind of statement that leads to people deciding that individual Jedi are okay but their culture needs to be completely reformed in order to allow people like Anakin to just do whatever they want whenever they want and then they can all live.

The second is from people who DON'T really like the Jedi much and will insist that "the Jedi are flawed" is part of the whole point of the narrative of Star Wars, especially the prequels. This is the kind of statement that leads to people like Leslye Headland INSISTING that George Lucas intended for the story of the Jedi to be one of failure and criticism and casting the Jedi as "the evil institution" in her interpretation of Star Wars. This is what leads to stories like the Ahsoka show insisting that the Jedi were elitist bastards whose arrogance led to their own genocide. These people usually try to claim they like the Jedi, but they'll still cast the Jedi as the bad guys in the story instead of, say, Anakin. These are the people who genuinely have no idea what attachment is and don't care to learn. These people believe that, at best, the Jedi THOUGHT they were doing good, but that they had completely lost their way and were truly not that much better than the Sith anymore and their destruction was necessary to create balance in the galaxy.

I have no desire to appease people who don't like my interpretation of Star Wars, and I don't think that "the Jedi were flawed" was ever the point of Lucas's story and I genuinely think it takes a lot AWAY from his story to say that it does. So while I am perfectly happy to admit that people in general, even overall GOOD and kind and selfless people, are always flawed and can make mistakes, I will never, ever say that the Jedi were flawed. The Jedi lost, yes, but not due to their own flaws. They lost because of EVERYONE ELSE'S flaws, so what does it MATTER if the Jedi were flawed or not? If you truly believe the Jedi were good people who did everything right and simply lost due to other people's selfish choices, then what does it add to the story to insist the Jedi were flawed? How does it change anything, for the better or otherwise? The Jedi were right IS the point of the story, so insisting they were flawed actually takes away from that by distracting from how the Jedi were RIGHT, and it's people choosing not to listen to them or trust them or act like them that brings about the downfall of an entire galaxy.

The Jedi weren't flawed. The Jedi were RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING and that is the hill I will die on.

#star wars #jedi #pro jedi #prequels jedi

[rmstitanics]

Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being. Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways.

— The Revenge of the Sith Novelization

#sw prequels #mace windu edit #mace windu #pro jedi #mace windu appreciation #star wars edit #star wars #revenge of the sith #sw creations #sw creators #* callie’s content

[cerulianvermillion]

I love the Jedi Temple. It must have been breathtaking, beautiful, jaw-droppingly gorgeous- the Jedi Temple must have been everything. A little taste of paradise, hidden in plain sight, the beauty of a thousand dreams nestled in the hearts of the Jedi. It was a home, a school, a place to be safe, to be whole.

#star wars #sw: the clone wars #sw prequels #i love the jedi #jedi #the jedi order #jedi appreciation #jedi culture #pro-jedi #Jedi temple

[david-talks-sw]

These are the only three flaws I will concede, when it comes to the Jedi during the Prequels.

“They got lax/complacent.”

Yeah*. If you listen to the director’s commentary, George Lucas states the scene in AOTC with Jocasta Nu is there to indicate how unprepared the Jedi were before the Sith’s plan. They thought they were secure and ready but they were not and it turns out humble restaurant owners like Dex know things they don't.

*HOWEVER: Who wouldn’t be complacent, in times of peace?

The Sith were thought to be extinct and Dooku was once a Jedi, a revered one at that. Nobody could have suspected he’d betray the Order that raised him and loved him.

Nobody could've suspected that he'd abuse of their trust and delete a system from the Archives using the credentials of his best friend who he'd had assassinated. That's a verrrry specific scenario, and expecting them to be prepared for that is unreasonable.

"They should've sensed something!" Well, by this point in time, everything surrounding the Jedi was tainted by the Dark Side, which clouded everything. So on the one hand, this situation granted Sidious the gift of foresight and allowed them to always be one step ahead, and on the other, it caused the Jedi to be stuck trekking ahead in a fog, unsure of what the next move would be.

“They were politically-inept.”

Yes**. That’s how the Sith ran circles around the Jedi. They figured “there’s only two of us, if we march into the Temple we’ll get slaughtered, but wait, the Jedi serve the Senate and the Senate is run by politicians… what if we become the politicians? Then we can destroy the Jedi and the principles from the inside!”

**HOWEVER: The Jedi were politically-inept by choice.

After all, their function isn’t setting policy but carrying it out. They’re not politicians, they’re diplomats and as such they're not allowed to get involved in the political process.

But if they were... they still wouldn't. Because power corrupts, and if you let the space monks (who already have magical powers) have political power too, then that will lead to a very dark place.

The Jedi knew that if they tried to play politics, they’ll lose because they have neither the ruthlessness nor the status to do it well, so they make it a point of never going anywhere near it.

Unfortunately, that leaves them open to situations where the Senate or Palpatine corner them into doing something they really don’t wanna do.

It's how they were forced to expel Ahsoka, how they lost the favor of the citizens and it's how Dooku, then the Emperor, framed them as power-hungry sorcerers with his propaganda.

“The war made them hypocrites.”

Sure***. The Jedi were meant to be diplomats, not soldiers. By waging war instead of keeping the peace, they’ve compromised on their values.

***HOWEVER: The Jedi know this and they’re not happy about it at all.

Firstly, because they were forced into this situation by the Senate and Palpatine, who drafted them into service.

Secondly, because they know they’re essentially moving ahead blindly and playing right into the Sith Lord’s hand by fighting this war he orchestrated.

But finally, it’s that they know that not joining would’ve been worse. Sticking by their principles would’ve resulted in the enslavement and genocide of many populations. Sometimes, the spirit of the rules must be prioritized over the letter. Either do nothing and be true to your principles, or go against them but save lives.

It’s a bad choice to make, but not as bad as not making one.

It's a bad choice, but it's motivated by a desire to do some good and it did. They saved countless lives (sometimes at the cost of their own) and inspired countless more to form the Rebellion, later on.

So... three flaws.

But they all come with asterisks. There’s a reasonable (sometimes, even admirable) justification for each of them.

I’m pointing these out because a lot of people seem to conflate “the Jedi were flawed” with “the Jedi were at fault” when talking about their own demise. And the answer to that is:

No.

The Jedi were not at fault. Everybody else was.

The Senate was at fault for growing corrupt and self-serving.

Big Corp for their never ending greed.

The Separatists for being so blind and naive as to think Big Corp would tooootally value their principles and absolutely not commit war crimes every chance they get.

The Sith for being the mass-murdering egotistical assholes who started this whole mess.

And the citizens of the galaxy for not taking up arms in the face of blatant injustice.

Sometimes bad people win.

That doesn't always mean the good guys are at fault. Sometimes, the bad guys are just… better at the game. Mostly because they see it as a game, and the good guys don't.

Luckily, 20 years later, most of the above faults were rectified by the Rebellion, which was led by the best of the Senate, and composed of Separatist remnants and brave citizens of the galaxy.

#star wars #jedi order #clone wars #prequel trilogy #pro jedi #in defense of the jedi #long post #sw meta #this came up in a discussion I had on Reddit and I figured I'd share it here too

[kanansdume]

I have SO MANY feelings about Kanan, Zeb, and Rex all being some of the last few survivors of dying cultures.

Even though the Jedi can pass on their teachings and there will always be more Force sensitive people in the galaxy, the specific culture of the Prequels Jedi that Kanan grew up with will never completely come back. Jedi like Ezra and Luke will share a lot of similarities, obviously, especially philosophically, but their way of life and traditions will look VERY different, as will whatever ends up evolving from them (and from Rey if we include the Sequels).

Similarly, Zeb finds the Lasat on Lira San, but those Lasat will presumably have a VERY different culture than the one that existed on Lasan. The two groups of Lasat have been separated for so long that Lira San has become legend and is thought to not really exist and even the people who believe it exists don't realize what it actually is and that there are other Lasat on there. This implies that it's been an EXTREMELY long time since the Lasat of Lasan originally left Lira San and the two groups have probably diverged quite a bit. Lira San itself is also just not going to feel like Lasan, it won't have the same landscapes or wildlife, the cities will be different. The language might even have some significant differences that the last three Lasan survivors would have to navigate. And there's no getting back that culture from Lasan, it's gone. There's only three known survivors and they're going to end up just... engulfed into the Lira San culture without a lot of ability to pass on what they remember from Lasan. Lasan might end up like... a chapter in a Lira San history text and that's probably it. The nuances of its culture will be lost completely.

And the clones. The clones are just going to completely disappear. People will likely only remember the clones even existed because the war got named after them. All they'll be remembered FOR is violence and death. Depending on who is talking about them, they'll either be the traitors who destroyed the Jedi and allowed the Empire to reign, or the poor pawns that the Empire used to destroy the Jedi and keep the galaxy under its thumb. Who they were will be completely and utterly lost. And there's no way for them to continue in any form. While it's POSSIBLE that a few of them might have sired children out in the galaxy somewhere, we never have any confirmation of that, and nearly all of them are dead by the time the Empire falls. Their friendship with the Jedi, what little culture they were able to develop, all of that is lost to time and will disappear once the final clone dies.

It's such a horrific thing that is happening to these three characters, a slow dying out that that's literally happening in front of their very eyes. It's the worst kind of connection between the three of them, but something that's probably really important in their various relationships. No one else understands this grief the way they do, no one else quite understands how this feels, the helplessness and hopelessness. There's absolutely nothing they can do but try to keep going and remember their people as best they can and live according to the culture the Empire has tried to eradicate.

I like to think the three of them end up discussing it one day, maybe one Empire Day they all just decide to go drinking and be maudlin together. And Kanan ends up talking about how the Jedi believed that there was no death, there was the Force. Everyone who dies rejoins the Force, so even if they're gone they're still impacting the galaxy and the people living in it, regardless of whether those who remain can feel them or not. Maybe you get a burst of inspiration or have a lucky break or meet someone you instantly click with, and maybe that's the people who've left before you still touching your life through the Force, binding you together no matter what. Zeb and Rex really connect to this belief and end up finding comfort and even a little healing in it.

#star wars #kanan jarrus #caleb dume #captain rex #garazeb orrelios #jedi #clones #clone troopers #lasat #lasan #lira san #prequels jedi #pro jedi #tw genocide

[foundfamilynonsense]

When I was in middle school (6th grade) we read this poem in English class that didn’t capitalize the word “I.”

The poem didn’t capitalize names or the first word in a sentence either. It also spelled a few things wrong.

The teacher asked us why and I decided not to answer bc I was shy and didn’t speak back then. A bunch of kids eventually raised their hands. One said perhaps this was a poem written by an old student and an example of what not to do? The teach was like no no this is a published poem.

Then the answers continued. Did the publisher make a mistake? Did the author make a mistake? Was there an issue with printing? It went on for a pitiful amount of time before the teacher snapped and said no this was written and edited and published by professionals. They might have made mistakes but not this many. Not so easy to see that even a class of six graders could fix it. Published authors know to capitalize “I”.

Us few who knew the answer from stage one were kinda embarrassed for staying quiet for so long and so I raised my hand and gave the answer I and a quarter of the class had assumed was obvious: the narrator is a small child. He mentions his grandfather. The misspellings were artistic choices.

This is what fandom feels like.

The number of people in fandom spaces that just assume the writing is flawed or the choreography sucks in a show or movie instead of looking for an artistic choice behind those things is just. Incredible.

Let’s look at Star Wars for example. I’ve seen so many people call the fighting choreography in Kenobi terrible because of that episode where Obi-Wan is kinda pathetic and weak. And like.

Do people really not see that that’s the point?

Do people really think that that lightsaber battle went through months of practice and choreography, shooting, editing, lighting, etc and every step of the way paid professionals were like “yep that looks like great fighting from Obi-Wan”

You think all these professionals missed it but your keen eye picked it up immediately?

Of course not! He was bad on purpose! And to add insult to injury that’s his entire arc!! He starts out bad so he can get better!! It’s not even hard to find Vader full out says it in the last episode.

And y’know what? Yeah I think the writing in the prequels is bad but no where near as bad as people say it is.

“Why does Anakin come of as so whiny in attack of the clones” oh idk maybe because that’s exactly what the writers and actors were going for??

Hayden KILLED IT as Anakin. His acting was excellent! Were there some lines that he had nothing to go on? Sure. The sand line for instance. But if he was acting creepy or cringe? Hey. Maybe. Just maybe. The guy with tons of acting experience, the director, the actors he shared scenes with, the writers, and the editors didn’t all just miss this or decide it was good enough. Maybe that’s actually what they were going for with his character.

Yes, movies can be bad. Lots of movies are bad. But their flaws are usually more nuanced like “they didn’t understand the fan base” or “the trend to make movies pitch black has become annoying” or “they were underfunded” or “there was a pacing problem due to a writer’s strike”. Not “these paid professionals are just worse at this than I am”.

At least giving professionals the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing. You don’t have to agree with their artistic decisions but like come on people. Sometimes things are “bad” or “wrong” on purpose.

#star wars #kenobi #obi wan kenobi show #pro prequels #star wars fandom #star wars prequels #anti fandom #I suppose #obi wan kenobi #anakin skywalker

[jedi-enthusiast]

Ngl I have no idea why some people hate Mace Windu.

He's literally like one of my favorite Jedi, probably like my 2nd favorite if I had to give him a ranking, and he's just like...so awesome!

He's kind and compassionate.

He's brave.

He's intelligent.

He's witty.

He has a purple lightsaber.

He's such a talented duelist that he kicked Jango and Grievous' asses.

And almost beat Palpatine (something even Yoda couldn't do, like come on--that's badass!)

Like seriously, what's not to like???

#no this is not an invitation for y'all to air your grievances about him #I literally do not give a shit about them #either reblog this with more appreciation about him or other Jedi or move along #star wars #sw prequels #the clone wars #pro jedi #jedi appreciation #mace windu #mace windu appreciation

[jewishcissiekj]

ugh one of the most tragic things about Order 66 and the Jedi Purge is the erasure of all that history by the Empire and by time. More than just history, it's the erasure of culture, the purposeful cleansing of the Jedi ways and people from the Galaxy. All these stories and people were lost, not to time, but by the intentional extinction of everything they ever were. In Crimson Reign #3, The Archivist (written by Charles Soule) puts it in a way that genuinely struck me when I was reading it.

You don't have to read all that, but I feel like it drives the point across wonderfully. The Jedi Order not only died because of Order 66 and the Purge, but the very idea of it was also made into a death sentence. Each Jedi's life, before the Empire, was preserved through the seemingly eternal memory of the Order, the Jedi Archives, or their lineage, and those who took their path. The Empire erased any trace of that memory, collapsing the tradition of millennia. As a Jedi, you are almost ensured to be remembered, and your actions are certain to have echoes throughout the ages. The Empire, and more specifically Palpatine I should probably say, did everything to take it away. What's left of The High Republic? What's left of the heroics of generations of Jedi? What's left of their life stories? Their meditation or lightsaber techniques? It's the tragedy of the Jedi order, and it goes so much deeper than the awful loss of about 10,000 Jedi during Order 66 and the purge (not that that should be underestimated).

#the jedi mean a lot to me #i haven't watched the sequels yet but honestly i understand how to throw on luke the responsibility of restoring all that could lead to #disaster #sw #star wars #jedi order #the jedi #jedi #the jedi order #pro jedi #jedi positivity #all that #crimson reign #order 66 #sw prequels #star wars prequels #darth sidious #emperor palpatine #palpatine

[simpleslugs]

My favorite thing about Star Wars is the hilariously inconsistent descriptions of the force. Is it in us all? Is it magic? What is a midachlorian?! Who knows!! But, that silly lil monkey lizard in Jabba's palace is named Salacious B. Crumb, so there's that.

#star wars #anakin skywalker #padme amidala #star wars fandom #anakin and padme #star wars prequels #the force is strong with this one #the force works in mysterious ways #the force is with me #jedi #jedi order #star wars meta #sw meta #pro jedi #the force awakens #the force unleashed #midachlorians

[devondeal]

If you live long enough, you see the same eyes in different people...

#luke's anger isn't any less valid than anakin's #luke skywalker #anakin skywalker #star wars #pro jedi #a new hope #attack of the clones #star wars original trilogy #star wars prequels