#pro plural

[sysmedsaresexist]

Changing mindsets, from a Real Anti Endo™️

The Release of the (Pro/Endo) Golden Goose

I hope everyone from all sides will give this important, heartfelt post a read.

It's likely something you'll want to be aware of if you have a vested interest in syscourse and the validity of endogenic systems. Please give this a chance.

It's been almost three years since I started my blogs. Wow. I've been on tumblr a hell of a lot longer, but I really wasn't involved in the system community. I started out firm and loud. I probably inadvertently fakeclaimed (I went into this with the rule that I would NOT directly tell anyone they were faking, it was a boundary that I knew would ruin me socially if I crossed it, but I'm sure I probably did without meaning to), I name called and made fun of people and things. I was disrespectful to people. I invaded tags to get my message out there, though I was quick to stop once I realized I was making the tags unusable for the community I claimed to want to protect.

I learned very quickly what was appropriate and what wasn't, what I could get away with and what I couldn't. It started to become a numbers game, influenced by the risk of the post.

I made a lot of friends and a lot of enemies, and I amassed a following of over 2k. More people have come and gone from my little community than I ever thought possible. People made fanart of me, and I cherish those so deeply. I have over 300 asks because I struggle to delete the ones thanking me.

And the more I was thanked, the nicer I got, the more thanks, the nicer I got, rinse and repeat until I had trouble NOT empathizing with pro/endos. The more I was willing to listen, the more legitimate sources I came across that disproved my original ideas about consciousness. The people sharing the sources were more respectful than I thought they'd be. Things were starting to look a bit cloudy.

I talked to my colleagues about how they, as therapists, would handle some of these endos in their practice, and while their belief in the concept varied, kindness and attempts to understand was the consistent answer. When had I lost that kindness and understanding that had driven me to that field to begin with?

Colleagues, yes. For those who don't know, I have a degree in social services and counselling (plus three other degrees). It's why the current situation with the antis turning on me is so funny. I still can't get into the mindset of some of these new anti endos, I just can't imagine justifying that level of cruelty. I had lines that I wouldn't cross, and I didn't think people could be worse than me.

... That might have been a trauma thing, looking back on it.

So I got desperate.

I spoke to the actual doctors who wrote some of these papers all of us are quoting. Everyone was arguing the meaning of the words, so I went directly to the source.

Dr Colin Ross, who wrote about endogenous multiplicity in the 80s. I told him everything-- about plurals, non-traumagenic systems, syscourse, what was being debated, how I and others interpreted his words, and what I wanted to learn.

Was plurality only trauma based?

And back and forth and back and forth we went, with me asking over and over again in different ways, NEEDING to hear that it was.

But I never got that answer. He meant what he meant. He said what he said and he meant it.

That plurality was not only found in the aftermath of trauma.

And I said nothing to anyone because I couldn't reconcile it.

Don't try to read between the lines, I assure you, there isn't some hidden meaning to be found there. I can't share all of the messages because some contained personal information, but my final response will tell you all you need to know.

(It did NOT, in fact, make sense, and it took me three years to "rethink my paper" that endogenic plurality wasn't possible, I did not win that conversation, it was a dying stance that was not supported)

I've been accused of paying too much attention to my follower count, but I can't really help it. It's really scary when you make a post and see a sizeable drop. It means a lot of different things. My posts have less reach and support. I've upset people. I've done something wrong. My community is leaving me.

I'm in a weird spot, where I'm blocked by so much of the pro/endo community that I have nothing to join, and the anti endo community, who I still wholeheartedly support, continues to leave me for -checks smudged writing on hand- being too nice??

Misinformation about DID is a massive problem, and it's why I still consider myself anti endo and support that community. I relate to them in such a way that I'll always gravitate to and empathize with them.

Or at least, that's what I thought.

At this point, though, how can I not be pro/endo when Colin fucking Ross says it's possible?

I've already written about how I'm really struggling with these labels, and I love the people that have stuck around while I struggle to figure this out.

I hurt when I see the people that once supported me leave.

My (online) world is shrinking. Literally.

That's scary.

When you've watched so many turn away, you start to wonder, with every post, where is the line where the rest are going to leave? Is it this post?

I just want to be me, us, we want to laugh at the stupid crap people say, system or not, I want to talk about my disorder, I want to combat misinformation, I want to have productive, fun conversations about ideas and concepts with people who disagree and have different interpretations. I want to play devil's advocate and get people thinking. I want to be able to comment positivity and kindness on any post I see, I want to feel comfortable talking to more people about their ideas. I sympathize with anti endos, I relate to CDD systems, I still firmly believe that CDDs and plurality are different, unrelated concepts.

My priority will always and forever be the CDD community first and foremost.

However, I am a hypocrite. I have gone straight to the horse's mouth and failed. I've seen so much research that I finally get it. I'm grappling with holding on to this conversation with Dr Ross, wondering what harm I could have prevented if I'd gone public with these emails earlier.

Since when has being open to change been a bad thing?

Since when has showing respect to lived experiences been a bad thing?

What am I? What label describes this?

How do I go forward from here?

What are you going to do with this information?

I promise you, hate isn't the way forward.

#syscourse #not syscourse #pro syscourse conversation #anti endo #pro endo #anti plural #pro plural #debunk #endogenic safe #system safe #pro system

[interstellarsystem]

Nonhuman expressions of affection are great. Purring. Exposing weak points as a show of trust. Head bonks. Preening and chewing. Nuzzling. Biting. Intertwining tails. Feeding each other. Little chuffs, chatters, beeps and squeaks. Fluffing up of feathers, fur or other things. Dancing to impress. Cleaning their fur, scales, feathers or skin. Sharing body heat. Ears pointing toward those you care about to show your full attention is on them. Slow blinking.

#we need to write a longer post on this but for now have this #otherkin #otherkind #alterhuman #nonhuman #plural #plural system #plurality #endo safe #pro endo #system #therian #therianthropy #didosdd #actually did #fictive #extranth #theriolink #animallink #otherlink #copinglink #pluralgang #op #merlin (xe/he/they) #everything althu #althu experiences #nonhuman identity #animal identity #althu expression

[tombodabombo]

EVERYONE EVERYONE look

THANK YOU THAT'S ALL :D

#bugs #isopods #plural #plural gang #did #did system #plurality #simply plural #endo friendly #system #anti endo #endo system #endo #actuallyplural #endos fuck off #endosfuckoff #endogenic #pro endogenic

[musings-from-mars]

As awareness of plurality continues to spread online, that also means more and more people will realize they are plural. And unfortunately, there will be a response from certain gatekeepy exclusionist types, who will push back against these newfound systems and insist on invalidating them. They’ll insist they’re just hopping on a trend, or just fooling themselves, or whatever other justification they can make up to maintain the idea that being plural is extremely rare and being plural means suffering for it.

Don’t fall for it. Being plural presents challenges and difficulties without question, but being plural also can bring joys and clarity that weren’t possible otherwise. Being plural can be hard, and it can be beautiful.

No two systems present and function exactly the same ways. No two systems are plural for the exact same reasons. So we can’t expect there to be an absolute common trait present in every system. So any attempt to weed out the “fakers” is pointless and malicious.

If someone believes themself to be plural, they have good reason to. No further “proof” needed. If someone comes to us believing themself to be plural, we will help them along without critique or question. And above all we will be happy for them. Even if someday they realize they aren’t plural, that process of being allowed to question and experiment is so important, and they should be allowed to do so regardless of where they end up.

Plurality is a spectrum that encompasses a vast swathe of experiences and outlooks. It can be difficult to reckon with, which is why community is so vital. And as that community online grows and becomes more and more visible, we should all do our part, systems and singlets, to make sure these newfound systems feel safe, seen, and welcome.

#plurality #plural system #pro endo #endo friendly

[1buk1m1d04]

“We need more weird people” ya’ll can’t handle non truamagenic systems

#pro endo #actually plural #endo friendly #endo safe #endogenic #plural system #plurality #system #non traumagenic safe

[finnslay]

#random meme #did #osdd #osddid #endogenic system #endogenic safe #pro endogenic #endo friendly #endo safe #pro endo #system #osdd system #did system #cdd system #dissociative system #fictive heavy system #median system #polyfrag system #plural system #questioning system #sysblr #fictives #system stuff #system community #plurality #actually plural #plural #plural gang #pluralgang #plural community

[loveloveplural]

plurality is not defined by switching.

plurality is not defined by headcount.

plurality is not defined by an inner world.

plurality is not defined by distinct headmates.

plurality is not defined by communication.

plurality is not defined by getting along internally.

plurality is not defined by an origin.

plurality is defined by multiple consciousnesses/identities in one body. if you say you’re plural, we and many, many others will always believe you. no two plurals are the same, and no one can tell you what you are or aren’t 💞

#✨ — Cillian #🍰 — Vince #endo safe #sysmeds dni #pro endo #plural positivity #system positivity #pluralgang

[theswiftheartsystem]

#did #pro endo #did osdd #did system #endo friendly #dissociative identity disorder #traumagenic system #actually plural #endo safe #did alter #fictives #fictive heavy system #factive #introjects #plurality #factives #system stuff #system memes #plural memes #plural culture is

[dolleriumfluffle]

I just desperately want more recognition of traumagenic experiences that lie outside of the usual "childhood abuse" assumption that everyone forces on that label. what about trauma from bullying? what about trauma from undiagnosed illnesses? what about trauma from queer experiences like transphobia? what about trauma from medical experiences like surgeries, hospitalizations, psych wards, and other areas where the medical field failed you? what about trauma from eating disorders? what about trauma from racism?

there are so many experiences that can fall under traumagenic, but are yet swept under a rug in favor of a strict, stereotypical narrative that's easier to comprehend. I think we as a community need to make an active effort to expand our understanding of traumagenic, especially where it may overlap with experiences traditionally considered endogenic, and understand that trauma can come in so many different forms. so often people are shunned for trying to create roles and labels that describe their specific traumagenic experiences, and I don't understand why. there can be no progress towards acceptance for all systems if we don't accept that traumagenic is an umbrella label too.

#dollerium speaks #🎠 | reona (he/she/doll/bun/eld/spell) #this came out very rambly #but just know if you have trauma that's considered 'not traditional' or 'not enough' #I see you and I appreciate you #plural #plural things #actually plural #pluralgang #plural system #actually did #hc did system #did osdd #a lot of these are things we experienced in life that 100% contributed to our system's function #and yet it feels like we're not allowed to talk about them #because they're not the 'usual' accepted trauma that's discussed in traumagenic spaces #pro endo #endo safe #endo safe blog

[sawyer-is-eepy]

>be me

>decide to change your name and pronouns

>tell your friends

>they are supportive and try their best

>a week later you suddenly dislike being called that name or the pronouns and the gender doesnt suit you anymore

>"i must be genderfluid!"

>actually, you're plural

>you idiot

>what have you done

#endo safe #plurality #pro endo #multiplicity #plural system #endogenic system #soulbond #endogenic #pro endogenic

[sysmedsaresexist]

Thank you

I want to send out a really quick thank you to everyone.

If you took the time to read about my journey, to like my post, if you took the time out of your day to write me one of these kind, amazing asks...

Thank you.

I really want to respond to them, but I'm still getting my bearings. The response to my post was the total opposite of what I expected. I came back to such an amazing flood of support that I genuinely don't know what to do with it all. I'm still going through my activity after a couple hours already.

I've read every single ask and mention, I've memorized your name, they've touched me and my heart.

I want to reply to all, but if I just hold on to yours because it makes me so happy, trust that I'll be looking for you in the tags and I hope to interact in the future.

I should have done this sooner, honestly.

#not syscourse #only kindness #pro endo #anti endo #pro plural #pro system #did #osdd #CDDs first #actuallytraumagenic #actuallyosdd #actuallydid

[luckyclovercollective]

“THE FUTURE IS PLURAL”; All plurals deserve acceptance, The world will be educated

Flags from left to right: Quoigenic, Mixed Origin/Multigenic, Endogenic, Traumagenic, Plural

#Plurality #plural #pluralgang #endo safe #pro endo #endogenic #traumagenic #traumaendo #mixed origin system #system positivity #our art

[the-ice-cream-squad]

#endo system #plural #actually plural #plural gang #endo safe #pro endo #plural poll #plural polls #tumblr polls #maplesys #endogenic

[tuonelabound]

plural lawyer call that a justice system

#lunar system rambles #sysblr #pro endo #endo safe #endo friendly #endo system #endogenic system #pro endogenic #sysmeds dni #system #plural #plural community #actually plural

[jatravess]

struggling with your identity?

try dissociation!!

dissociating from my identity worked great for the last 20 years.

i mean i am 6 people now but im sure thats completely unrelated.

#transgender #trans egg #plurality #plural #funnier as a system #plural system #system memes #pluralgang #pro endo #egg carton #lgbtq #enby #nonbinary

[non-dys-sys]

My good rule of thumb for avoiding unsafe plural communities is: if it is unsafe for some systems it’s unsafe for all systems. Anyone can decide you’re one of the “bad ones” and target you. -Ange

#pluralgang #plural gang #endo safe #endo friendly #anti endos dni #pro endo #pro endogenic #inclusive plurality #actually plural #plural community #plural stuff