Well, that was interesting. I spent a couple of hours yesterday nursing a perfectly good theory about what that second episode means only to have it almost completely fall apart on a rewatch – tv will do you like that sometimes. But, yes, Loki does have my attention now.
Episode 2 The Variant
Loki (Tom Hiddleston) has agreed to help Mobius (Owen Wilson) find the other Variant Loki but, of…
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i had a sudden realisation!!! if the TVA's job is to destroy the variants and keep the sacred timeline as it is; it means that there might have been another way in Endgame; it means that all the possibilities Strange saw in which none of them died wouldn't work- not because they were wrong but bc the TVA didn't allow them to happen. it means the TVA not only allowed Tony Stark to die, they also made sure he did.
Now I can't stop thinking the TVA killed Tony, i'm not okay
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A question - are we to assume a week passes between each episode or did ep2 follow on almost immediately from ep1?
How long has Loki been at the TVA?
Obviously long enough to have been given some new clothes, long enough to have been expected to watch all the propaganda training videos.
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I'm sure I'm not the first to think it but because Loki has established you can do what you like during an apocalypse, would that extend to adding yourself back into the timeline?
What if Variant Loki goes to Ragnarok and he's the one who joins up with Thor and the rest of the Asgardians while 'real' Loki is off exploring the rest of the universe and being Extra™?
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Possible guess as to why Enchantress’ name is listed as “Sylvie Laufeydottir” instead of “Sylvie Lushton”:
Sylvie comes from a deleted timeline where Loki was never adopted by Odin. Laufey, having defeated the Asgardians, ends up adopting a human girl who survived one of the battles he won. He names the girl Sylvie and raises her alongside Loki.
Thematically, we have a role reversal of the Thor-Loki dynamic. Sylvie was the bitter, adopted sibling yearning for attention while Loki was the favored, biological sibling who was next in line for the throne. Also...Sylvie is blonde, just like Thor.
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I know in my heart they’re too much of a coward to make loki and mobius a romantic thing but now I’m deeply afraid of the alternative
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Screen grab from the latest teaser on Marvels Instagram.
Sorry for the awful quality, but this has to be Bermuda triangle related right?
The shipwreck in the foreground is one of the many that have gone missing and I thing there's a spaceship in the background which fits with some of the theories surrounding the triangle. The blue green shapes in the back might also be the sea of waves?
Maybe this is another TVA blind spot, like the apocalypses, where the loki variants can hide?
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Sylvie pretty clearly gave the kablooie so that the TVA would find her hiding spot. Her plan seems to be to get all the minutemen out of the TVA, but then why would she risk her plans being foiled by leading a team of TVA agents to her? The TVA can detect timeline branchings anyways. Without Loki, who figured it out in just a few minutes, the TVA would have probably never found her. And she did leave the door open for Loki, so I think that she left the kablooie specifically so that Loki would come to her at that point in time.
But how would she know that there would be a Loki working with the TVA? He would have simply been killed if not for Mobius, so this implies that she knows/knew Mobius. Based on his love of 90s stuff, there has been some speculation that Mobius is from the timeline and was brainwashed by the TVA, not created for it. So Sylvie might have known Mobius before he was taken by the TVA and relied on what is left of his personality post-brainwashing. She might have been pretending to be a Loki variant so that Mobius would keep a Loki variant alive.
The coffee rings have been speculated to be his way of trying to figure out how the TVA is messing with him. This would imply that he knows that he is being messed with. This is a bit of a wild theory, but perhaps he is a sleeper agent that Sylvie/whoever she's working with (king Loki?) put into the TVA specifically to get a Loki variant to come with her after she drops the reset charges.
One question still remains. Why bring a Loki variant with her?
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Putting these hypotheses out there so “I can say I knew it” when or possibly if I’m right about any of them;
The big twist in Loki will be that there was already a multiverse and the Timekeepers are just powerful wafflers
There are no Timekeepers
Loki is actually alive in the present sacred timeline having faked his death twice with Variant Loki’s help
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Concept for the Loki TV show:
It’s episode 5. Loki and Sylvie the Enchantress have realized that in order to figure out why the TVA are so devoted to the Sacred Timeline, they need to know what happens further down the timestream. They manage to recruit Mobius, who has become disillusioned with the Time-Keepers, and the trio sneak into a hidden part of the TVA where they can examine the Sacred Timeline.
And what they discover is absolutely horrifying.
In the far future, the entire universe has been conquered by Kang the Conqueror. Loki, hoping that Kang is eventually defeated, is dismayed when he sees that Kang manages to rule for thousands of years (this is where we see him as Immortus). Kang is never defeated and rules indefinitely without much opposition.
This is the moment Mobius realizes that Hunter C-20 went insane because she learned the truth; the TVA wasn’t protecting the timestream, they were ensuring Kang’s rise to power. And to make things even more horrifying, the trio learn that the Time-Keepers have been dead this whole time. The TVA is actually being run by Kang the Conqueror, who is using the Time-Keepers as propaganda in order to make sure no one learns the truth.
After learning the truth behind the TVA and the Sacred Timeline, the trio are cornered by Ravonna Renslayer and her team. Mobius tries to sway her to his side but Ravonna simply raises her hand and says, “You shouldn’t have done that.” Mobius then yells at her that the TVA is being run by Kang the Conqueror...which leads to Kang arriving to confront Team Loki. Ravonna then says, “I know. Of course I know.”
Kang smiles at Loki, Sylvie, and Mobius, then pulls Ravonna in close to his side to indicate that the two of them are lovers. Episode ends on that massive cliffhanger.
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The casting call for Young Sylvie says "in tears over a frightening situation, she relies on her intelligence and resilience to find a way out” so my theory about her is that she was a mortal girl who had something terrible happen to her as a child which was when the actual Loki Variant that is causing all that mess (likely Richard E. Grant's Loki) found her, took her under his wing, gave her powers and raised her (a shoutout to her being his "daughter" in the comics) which is why she is loyal to him, works for him, and wears his motiffs. He might even have made up her mind on the tragedy that happened to her having been caused by the TVA, which is why she's so bent on destroying them. I'm thinking of a backstory kind of like Selene's in the Underworld movies.
Ooooooohhhhhhhhh. I like this, I like this a lot. I'm just imagining Sylvie and Old Man Loki having a TLOU Joel-Ellie type relationship based on this write-up. Fingers crossed that this is what the Loki TV team is going for?
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It’s interesting that Mobius describes Loki to Renslayer as arrogant and believing in himself, when Mobius most certainly knows Loki doesn’t like or believe in himself. Is it possible that while Mobius is willing to use Loki’s issues and grief to make him join the TVA, due to compassion or a sense of decency he isn’t willing to expose them to anyone else?
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spoilers for Loki Episode 2 but i got things to say and speculations to make.
I think by the end of this season Loki and Sylvie (Enchantress/The Variant) are going to have a moment that parallels both Odin and Loki and Mobius and Loki’s relationships, but this time Loki will be in the place of the wiser older person and Sylvie will be the hurt younger person.
Sylvie in the comics is a creation of Loki in two ways. One in that she was given powers by him bc he wanted to see what would happen, but also she’s a creation of his in that she doesn’t know if she was ever a person Before Loki gave her powers. If he made her from nothing and just gave her false memories of a past before she was the new Enchantress. That’s a similar parallel to Odin lying to Loki about his origins as a Jotunn instead of an Asgardian and how he was fucking pissed about it. Sylvie seems to really not like Loki despite dressing in his ensemble and faking being him, which is from the fact that she has no idea if she even has anything other than what she is now.
When Mobius talks about how Loki looks like a scared little boy all alone in the rain that is exactly what Sylvie could remember being in the eventual flashback scene (we do have a confirmed actress for a young Enchantress.) Scared and Alone and taken in by Loki but again she’s not even sure if it’s Really what happened so she wants to destroy Loki- all Lokis- for doing this to her. In results, destroying the timeline.
And Loki has to take the responsibility of helping her understand that she is not alone and that there can be people who still love and care about you even if you’re all alone and feel like the worlds turned against you. Because he had to realize that too.
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never been less surprised by anything than the Time Keepers being the equivalent of Big Brother in the mcu
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Definite spoilers for future episodes and some more speculation
Seriously. A spoiler for future episodes was accidentally revealed in the credits, and you might not wanna see it.
If you're still here, let's move on.
The credits for episode two showed that "Lady Loki" is actually Sylvie. So yay! I was right about at least one thing 😁
Anyway, on top of that revelation, in the comics Sylvie was born in Oklahoma and she later moved to New York City, which is where Franklin Delano Roosevelt High School is located - the place where the mysterious pen that Mobius is fretting over came from. The one in New York is one of three by that name in the USA, and the only one whose mascot--a cougar--matches the picture on the pen.
So I am going to theorize here:
At one point, a Loki Variant came to Earth and adopted a young Sylvie Lushton, thinking that he could raise her and teach her magic like Frigga did for him. The TVA eventually found out about this and intervened, erasing the Variant Loki and resetting that timeline.
But (if my other theory holds true) they took Sylvie and mind-wiped her, turning her into an agent. It turns out she was the "Other Analyst" that Ravonna was working with. Sylvie somehow managed to break free of the mind games, though; and remembering what the TVA did to her father, and using her knowledge of how the organization and their technology works, she vowed to destroy them all.
Our Loki learns of this and sympathizes with her, remembering how it felt when he watched his mother get murdered. He says he can't help her destroy everyone in the TVA, though, because if most of them are brainwashed Variants, it wouldn't be right.
She scoffs at this, calling him weak, but he then offers another solution: send all the Variants back to their original timelines. Chaos will reign, and the TVA will be brought to its knees.
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I am now attached to Mobius and if he ends up being evil I’ll cry
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What if the Timekeepers are so involved with Loki’s case bc the sacred timeline points towards Loki creating the multiverse? OR because there’s a prophecy about a variant interpreted to be Loki who’ll create the multiverse? (Much like Ragnarök)
What if, because nothing is ever as it seems, the Timekeepers created the myth of the “sacred timeline” because it gives them power? What if there’s no such thing as a sacred timeline? What if they’re really just scared to lose their power with the creation of the multiverse? Wouldn’t we do the world a favor then by freeing us from their tyranny?
okay that last thing really sounds like an argument Loki would make akdjfk
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So the Time-Keepers essentially decide history, and even some of the most brutal moments they decide are okay. A few minutes ago I randomly thought how they were fine with the Holocaust happening. Like a prejudice-filled murder spree happened and they decided it belonged in the natural flow of time.
Armenian Genocide? Cool
Trail of Tears? Neat
Some guy who is late to work? Assemble the whole Time Agent task force cause we need to stop this fucker.
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Okay, just watched the second episode of the Loki series so hear me out about my theory, what if Sylvie (the blonde lady in the end) was created by the Lady Loki (variant)
Comic-wise it would make so much sense, Lady Loki is the one that explains that Sylvie got her powers because of Loki, it would explain why she is wearing Loki's horns, she found out she was created by Loki and decided to kill the Lady Loki -variant and take her place and is now on the run from TVA (because she was created by a time variant which makes her also a variant)
Also the narative of Sylvie killing the person who created her would fit the series' so well (Killing your own god? Changing your fate? Anyone?)
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The timekeepers clearly don’t exist.
They are Big Brother. They are a symbol.
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