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#like. come on. they looked two seconds from homosexual relations.
akechi-if-he-slayed · 7 months
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do you guys think hamilton and jefferson explored each other’s bodies
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what-even-is-thiss · 8 months
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could you share your thoughts on Christianity and the lgbt community? Not in a like "'oh yeah well how are you this and that if you're REALLY Christian"' kind of way, I'm asking from the perspective of someone who's been struggling with their spirituality because I don't know how I can believe and god and also be gay. Feel free not to answer this though, you shouldn't have to explain yourself to random people every time you mention your religion
There’s not a lot of mentions of what we would consider to be homosexuality in the Bible. Paul mentions it most explicitly but there’s some important things to remember about Paul. First, he’s just some guy. He did important work spreading the religion but that doesn’t mean that he’s right about everything. Second, his only exposure to homosexuality likely came from the Roman elite. And the way they did it usually involved raping slave boys and hiring young prostitutes. They didn’t usually have same sex relations in the way we think of them now. Men didn’t generally have romantic relationships with each other into adulthood and a full adult citizen being passive during sex was considered to be scandalous. Any actual romantic relationships between adults of the same sex were likely kept secret or at least weren’t talked about loudly. So Paul is living in this environment. And people aren’t completely separate from the environments they live in.
For the most part stuff in the Bible that’s translated as condemning homosexuality is referring to certain cultural practices common in the Mediterranean at the time that we also wouldn’t like today. Such as pederasty, also known as a romanticized form of pedophilia that even people at the time in cultures that practiced it heavily criticized. Consenting adults often did have romantic or sexual relations together but they weren’t commonly open about it.
Overall, the Bible just doesn’t have much to say about liking someone of the same gender if you look at instances outside of things alluding to some of the worse stuff the Greeks and Romans did. So if the Bible doesn’t say much about it, that leaves it up to us to logically deduce our personal feelings about it.
Okay. So what are the two main commandments Jesus gives us? Love your neighbor as yourself, and love god with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Basically: love God, love others, love yourself. These are said to be the rules that all other commandments stem from and supersede all other commandments in terms of importance.
So. Does being queer stop you from loving God? Loving others? Loving yourself?
Science is real. It helps us learn more and more about the universe God created all the time and science has proven time and time again that being queer isn’t a choice and that people are happier when they live more authentically.
God made you the way you are. You cannot control whether you’re queer or not. So it’s not a mistake in you that can be “fixed”. If humans were made in the image of God, you too are an image of God. So some tiny part of God, however small, looks like you. All of you. Including the queer parts.
So then. Are you loving God? Including the parts of God that are like you? Are you loving your fellow humans? Including your fellow lgbt humans? Are you doing your best to love yourself? Every part of yourself?
I don’t take the Bible fully literally. You can’t. It contradicts itself constantly. But even if you did, the world it was written for and the society that made the oral traditions it was based on no longer exist. At least not in the exact same way they once did. What the Bible does have in it is stories that can give us examples and have informed the formation of our culture as Christians. Christianity has changed a lot over the last 2,000 years. Many forms of it have come and gone. Ultimately it’s up to us as modern Christians what kind of world we want to be apart of and contribute to and what culture we want to make among ourselves. I can’t pretend to know the true nature of God but I do know that God inspires me to reduce suffering and speak up for injustice where I can.
Ultimately your interpretation is up to you. But I personally don’t see needless self flagellation over something you can’t control as an act of justice or love. Just a form of self torture that’s ultimately not adding much to the world. Adding some of your own happiness to the world in my opinion isn’t a problem.
If you want to know how being queer has affected my faith, I’ve never doubted for a second that being lgbt+ is fine. To be honest I’ve been more afraid of secular society not accepting me than God. God and I have wrestled before, but almost never over that. I am how I am and if God didn’t want me to be this way he probably wouldn’t have flipped the gay switch in my brain.
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That Panderverse hug drives me so crazy. Cartman was so scared of being separated from his Kyle forever he had to hug him in front of half the goddamn town the minute he returned? Kyle pretending he's annoyed but letting it happen, like always?
Why were there only two adults shown paying any attention to this, and one of them was town closet case Stephen Stotch, and the other was Kyle's homophobic dad? And they both look like they think this is a sus as fuck interaction? That was A Choice I need to talk to Mattrey about 😂
YES!!! This hug drives me insane!! There’s so much to uncover with this one- I feel this specific interaction between Cartman and Kyle says a LOT about their friendship/feelings/dependancy/obsession with how far they have come over the seasons.
Cartman’s true, honest to god, unfiltered reaction coming back to his universe, dialing down and putting all his focus and energy onto Kyle, the way he RUNS so so so quickly into Kyle’s arms like his life depends on it, not caring one second about anyone else around, UGH!! This is truly his “war is over” moment in my eyes, sure Cartman and Kyle’s back and forth situation may be the sub-plot to this special, but my god that boy was HAPPY to see and feel and grasp HIS Kyle at last 😭🙏
And yes, like always, Kyle just letting it happen, letting Cartman fall onto him in that hug, letting Cartman be happy in the moment. It’s so painfully obvious how Kyle pulls this pretend annoyance 🤣 every single time. He gets so sassy, an eye roll, looking at anyone else but Cartman, yet still letting Cartman relish in his return. If Kyle truly didn’t know which Cartman was hugging him, Kyle would have shoved him off!! Kyle was so relieved, I know it, that his Cartman was back and things would go back to normal. He was- unsurprisingly- so uptight and stressed about Cartman the entire special 🫶
Mattrey knows what the hell they are doing, they KNOW what they write, know what they put into every episode detail by detail.. so looking at the two and only two people paying attention to kyman’s tender moment, being Stephen and Gerald is a REAL interesting choice.. considering the characters relations/acts/views on being homosexual. Very interesting.. Mattrey we are onto you guys, you know what you’re doing 🫵 I need to interrogate them..
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sneezemonster15 · 5 months
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Okay yeah this. Gotta share this. So I love watching cute animal vids like all the other thousand people per square mile, and recently I stumbled onto this one. And of course it reminded me of them, like duh, look at them.
Also now look at the comments and how not so eerily similar they are to the dialogues that go on here. @teddywiththumbs is the op, owner of the cats.
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Now just to be clear, yeah cats can be gay. Along with most other animal species. Homosexual behaviour and courtship has been widely documented across species. And yeah, there is the issue of anthropomorphism (the attribution of human-like qualities to animals) as well. But I just can't help but notice how people like the commenter simply don't see what they are actually responding to when they get offended with a woman, the owner of the cats, simply stating a fact about the cats she owns. They don't see it so they think they aren't being homophobic but they are.
This is a response that I am sure some of you will relate with.
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Hahahaha. No seriously, this is the case isn't it?
Sometimes when I see these posts made by SNS fans here, and in spirit they read like the creation of bards of the yore who crooned graphic songs of eternal, fantastical love about two boys who once were and were made for each other.....and I wonder if the term shipping came from 'worshipping'? Maybe it did.. Heh.
They are talking about the love, the absolute spectacle of the romance of Sasuke and Naruto, aren't they? But all that is reduced to an outcome of the mental illnesses that plague these fujoshis and dirty lesbians. What this says is, this kind of bias doesn't exist just in fandoms, it is simply a reflection of the larger society, fandoms are made of the same people. This gives us a look at how people generally think of homosexuality, fandom is simply one of the many microcosms.
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Hehehe accurate. Or friends, brothers, comrades, etc.
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No seriously, just to see how quickly reactive people become when it comes to homosexuality, like what a potent trigger it is. How easy it is for people to be so upset at something that is simply natural, a fact of life. And this is just cats they are talking about, but how well it translates to other things...
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Like the outrage, the desperate need to explain it away in a 'safe way'......they really harassed the op for talking about her own cats. Like no one even waited a second to google how it is possible for animals to be "gay", just like some fans here who could have saved a lot of trouble if only they had used the internet for things other than reading het smut.
What I am saying is, look how similar the narratives are. It doesn't matter if it's cats or humans, it's not about that. It's about ingrained homophobia. It doesn't say so much about cats and love, it says how uncomfortable it makes people to even consider normalising homosexuality, that seeing it so clearly portrayed or documented in media really triggers their prejudices so unquestioningly, so unerringly, so insidiously, so organically, that they don't realize what they are actually reacting to and how deeply biased they are. Good thing the op was quite insightful.
It really says a lot about people's attitudes and sublimated prejudices. The op knows homosexuality makes people deeply wary, feel deeply wronged, they feel as if they are entitled to their outrage. It results in reiterating the "natural order" of things and showing righteous indignation at what they think 'maligns' it. It is the same blueprint, settings may differ.
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flowersforfrancis · 9 months
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Who's your favourite TSH character and why?? Thank you!
Francis. Why: (A question I believe you’ll regret asking as I’m simply incapable of shutting up. (Skip to the end if you don’t want to read a myriad quotes from a book you’ve obviously already read))
— “Cubitum Eamus” “what?” “Nothing”
— “Does it ever strike you, in a horrible sort of way, how funny this is?”
— “Kind of a Jean Cocteau touch, isn’t it?”
— In reference to Francis: ‘I thought (erroneously) that he dressed like Alfred Douglas, or the Comte de Montesquiou..’
— ‘Francis, stooping to talk to a cat on a doorstep’
— ‘..Francis, in a swish of black cashmere and cigarette smoke’
— ‘I saw Francis Abernathy stalking across the meadow like a black bird, his coat flapping dark and crowlike in the wind’
— ‘he said mockingly’
— “Demigods,” said Francis, laughing. “We could sit on thrones in the town square”
— ‘Though Francis may or may not have been homosexual - and could just as easily have been a really dangerous type of ladies man - he was certainly of that vulpine, well dressed, unflappable sort..’
— ‘The pebbled drive was silver in the moonlight. Francis was standing in the shadows under some trees. When he saw us coming he stepped suddenly onto the lighted path. “Boo,” he said.’
— The country house. Just the country House.
— Francis and Richard’s relationship. I just adore it.
—*Francis cooking*
— “For my bath”
— ‘Francis sat curled in the window seat with a plate of little sandwiches in his lap, reading, in French, the Memoires of the Duc De Saint-Simon…He had gone to several schools in Europe and spoke excellent French, though he pronounced it with the same lazy, snob accent as his English; sometimes I got him to help me with my own own lessons in first-year French, tedious little stories about Marie and Jean-Claude going to tabac, which he read aloud in a languishing, hilarious drawl that sent everyone into hysterics.’
— ‘he was singing, and his high, clear voice, slightly out of key, floated out the kitchen window’
— ‘ “Really,” said Francis, I think I just need an Alka-Seltzer.’
— ‘Francis, Barefoot and still in his bathrobe, stepped over rocks and branches, balancing his glass of ginger ale. Once we got to the lake he waded in, up to his knees, and beckoned dramatically like Saint John the Baptist.’
— “Mother of god”
— ‘To my surprise Francis laughed, a humorless little snort’ 
— ‘Francis, lightning a new cigarette of the end of old one.’
— ‘He held up an imaginary newspaper. “Crazed Hippies Indicted for Rural Thrill-Killing”. “Cult slaying of Old Abe So-and-So” ’
— ‘ “After a minute or two-“ “it was only a few seconds,’ Henry said. “- after a minute..” ’
— “Forgive me, for all the things I did but mostly for the ones that I did not”
— ‘ “you idiot,” he said chuckling. “Did you know your shirt’s on inside out?” ’
— ‘ “Well I know what I’m going to do”, said Francis. He stood up unsteadily and pulled with his forefinger at his collar. Startled I looked up at him and he laughed at my suprise. “I want to sleep,” he said, with a melodramatic roll of his eye, “dormir plutot que vivre!” ’
Anyway, sorry, sorry. I’ll stop before I just write out the entirety of Francis’s lines.
In the end he’s just simply relatable; I too am a queer, anxious, dramatic, admittedly contemptuous, smoker, who makes out with boys (and others) solely because they’re ‘there’ (let’s say this as if it isn’t because I have a habit of destroying/avoiding relationships), who traipses around in elegant black coats, and drinks far too much whisky and red wine. Oh and… I’m also a hypochondriac who despises doctors appointments… And no, this isn’t me saying I’m drawn to Francis because oh, he’s like me. It’s more of a strange idolization of sorts. Of someone who feels like an idyllic version of myself. And so, being the self hating - yet narcissistic - boy that I am, in summary favor Francis.
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blueshistorysims · 8 months
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Early January 1909, Willow Creek College, England
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“How was your winter holiday?” Joel asked the moment Byron stepped into their dorm. 
“Horrible. I thought summer break was bad, but…” He sighed. “My poor sister.”
Upon returning home for the summer, Alexander and Byron learned of the argument Edeline had with their parents, and her refusal to even eat dinner with their mother. Byron pitied his sister greatly, and he felt anger at his mother for saying such horrible things. The summer only got worse since Alexander smartly decided to spend all his free time with his beau Edith so they could snog all day, leaving Byron to comfort his two sisters.
Christmas had only multiplied the awkwardness. Edeline still refused to speak to their mama, and Rebecca refused to apologize. Byron honestly thought that Edeline was going to run away and never come back, and he wouldn’t blame her. He had never been more glad in his life to leave after New Year’s.
“Well, maybe they will make amends.”
“I pray to God that they do,” he muttered, sitting next to his friend. 
“I still can’t believe next year is your last.”
“I know,” Byron replied. “I’m turning 14 next month, and I’m already looking at universities.”
“Good luck.”
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The friendship he had with Joel was far different from the friendship he had with Reggie. It was a different connection, a different feeling, and Byron didn’t know how to describe it. He was always happier when Joel was there, and sometimes, when they messed around, and Joel would touch him, his heart fluttered. 
He didn’t know what to make of his feelings, so he went to the one place he found refuge, the library. More often than not, he found himself reading Leaves of Grass by Walt Wittman, The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde, among others, books that had been decried by Victorian society for their depictions of homosexuality, and yet, he couldn’t stop reading them. The words were comforting, relatable.
So perhaps it wasn’t surprising that it dawned on him, reading in the library late at night that reason why he connected with the words so much. The descriptions of the men and their relationships was how he felt about Joel. He was attracted to Joel. He was attracted to men.
The revelation shocked him, and if he hadn’t been in a library, he would have screamed. He liked men? That couldn’t be. He’d had crushes on girls in the past. He liked women. He was horrified by the thought. 
Unknowing what else to do, he went back to his room, close to tears, and to his relief, found it empty. He slammed the door shut and sat on the floor, leaning against his bed. “My god,” he whispered, tears spilling from his eyes.
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So of course, five minutes later, the door opened, and Joel walked in, pointing at something. “Byron, are you  in t-what’s wrong?” He asked, surprised to see the state his friend was in. 
Byron looked up and wanted the scream. He was the last person he wanted to see. “...It-it’s nothing.”
Joel frowned and sat next to him. “I know we’ve only each other this year, but you can trust me. I consider you one of my closest friends.”
Byron wanted to scream. Instead, he wiped his face and shook his head. “...I couldn’t. I shan’t. Besides, isn’t it normal for us Englishmen to ignore our feelings and never speak of them?”
He laughed. “I am not like most Englishmen, Byron. I don’t think you are either.”
He turned to him, unsure of what to make of his words. “...What?”
Joel swallowed, his face growing pale. “I’ve seen what you’ve been reading lately,” he said, his voice barely a whisper. “I’m about to do something very stupid.”
Byron barely processed what his friend had said before Joel pressed his lips against his.
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Byron blinked. Joel was kissing him. He was kissing Joel. He liked kissing Joel. After a second, he just closed his eyes and went with it, deciding for once not to care about the consequences. 
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three--rings · 1 year
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Hi! I come from the danmei fandom and wanted to ask you if you pls have some good novels from the west to rec? What I'm looking for is: BL, fantasy & good plot. I'm not looking for political agenda just for a good read where the focus is on the plot and romance. I seriously don't know where to start looking. I tried checking out recs on google but honestly after the danmei books mostly everything looks unappealing to me. I was hoping you could help me out. Thank you in advance!
Ooo, yeah I can come up with a few things.
(All links are Amazon, but of course if you can buy elsewhere it's recommended, especially author sites. But if you buy from these links I get like a few pennies.)
The Magpie Lord (and rest of the series) by K.J. Charles - This is honestly the book that got me into reading modern m/m historical romance before I ever discovered danmei. 19th century England, magic, romance.
The Whyborne and Griffin series by Jordan L. Hawk - An incredibly long series of adventure novels set in a Lovecraftian 19th century America, starring a shy scholar and brash detective who get pulled into supernatural highjinks and romance together. The author's other series might also appeal. I'm a big fan of their Hexworld series which is recommended if you like the ideal of shapeshifters and their destined soulmate partners.
Lord of the White Hell by Ginn Hale - Fantasy European setting in a boys boarding school. Kiram is the first from his religion/ethnicity to attend this prestigious school and has to room with a boy who is supposed to be cursed by hell. Magic, religion, culture clash coming of age, and a fantastic romance. I love this whole world and series so much.
The Archer's Heart by Astrid Amara - Fantasy India setting with a rigid caste system where homosexuality is punished with death. So the romance between a prince and a warrior has very real stakes. Lots of politics and suffering for the characters. Sorta epic political fantasy but with queer romance. Definitely danmei esque.
The Nightrunner series by Lynn Flewelling - An older series in which a young man is taken as an apprentice to a thief/spy/rogue in a typical European fantasy world. Very interesting political and magical intrigue. The romance between the two main characters doesn't become textual until the second book and definitely is not a main focus or very in your face, most likely because of the age of the books. BUT I love everyone in this bar so so much. And they are explicitly the fantasy equivalent of married in later books, so it's not NOT a thing.
The High King's Golden Tongue by Megan Derr - A young man is trained to be consort to a king his whole life, but the king in question isn't interested in him because he's still mourning his late husband. Fantasy world with normalized queer relationships, slow burn romance development, a very gentle book without a lot of drama. (I haven't read the rest of the series but I think each book is a different couple.)
Okay and then a couple additional recs with special circumstances.
A Taste of Gold and Iron by Alexandra Rowland - I haven't read this one yet because I just haven't had time, but I've read some of their other works and trust that it's good. The author is @ariaste whose MDZS fic you may have read.
The Hands of the Emperor by Victoria Goddard - The reason I haven't read the above yet is because I've been deep in reading this and all the related books/stories in this world. Absolutely I think danmei fans need to read this book. The worldbuilding is fantastic and immense. The political intrigue is more West Wing than Game of Thrones. It's a book about making incremental change from inside a flawed system. And it's a book about two men opening their hearts to one another glacially slowly, with so many barriers in the way, but so much love.
The caveat is that it's not precisely a romance or primarily a romance so it doesn't meet your criteria. It's super long (again for danmei fans) but while these two (an emperor and his secretary) love each other so much, it's not explicitly romantic or sexual? At least not yet. (Next week, sequel next week aaaaaahhhh.) So...it's a weird one to rec. Which is why I've been waiting and putting off writing it's own rec post. But it's a magnificent novel I can't say enough good things about.
So yeah, that's what I've got for now. Thanks for asking, clearly I'm always just waiting for someone to ask me to rec things.
Other folks feel free to add your own recs in reblogs if there's stuff I've missed.
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0owhatsamsays · 6 months
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Dark Horse - Good Omens
I am down the rabbit hole again.
Ever since I heard that phrase several times in s2, it bugs me. People keep saying "It's a common phrase". Yeah, I know. However, they repeat it several times, and there is an actual dark horse statuesque that Crowley leaves his glasses on.
I decided to look it up. Of course.
Besides the common meaning of the phrase - "someone who surprises you with some hidden quality", I didn't know exactly where this phrase derived from.
It comes from the book "The Young Duke" by Benjamin Disraeli.
The first thing that caught my eye here was the "Duke". So I searched the book. The second thing that caught my eye was that it was published by "Henry Colburn and Richard Bentley".
The subtitle of the book is "A moral tale, though gay".
I found out that the phrase is taken from Byron's Don Juan. But why?
There are several interpretations of the connotation the word gay had in the past. Quoting from an article that I read and to which I will add a link below if someone is interested in reading it, "(The world ‘gay’ did not carry its present connotation as relating to homosexuality, though an 1857 Punch cartoon reveals that two decades after The Young Duke it referred to prostitution). William Kuhn suggests, Disraeli associated ‘gaiety’ with cheerful disposition, although Kuhn finds ‘a hint of Byronic licentiousness in Disraeli’s quotation’ and speculates on his latent homoerotic fascinations with good-looking young men (104). In The Young Duke, Disraeli introduces not only episodes from his early adult life but also presents his passion for politics. He makes a satirical picture of the English aristocracy that indulges in a hedonistic lifestyle while avoiding its political responsibilities.")
Then I decided to check Disraeli, and forgive me, I am not from the UK and I didn't know, but it turns out he has been Prime Minister of the UK twice.
Also, he was the 1st Earl of Beaconsfield, and Terry Pratchett is born in Beaconsfield.
Disraeli's sexual orientation has been questioned by others.
I read the article by William Kuhn that is cited above and this is what it says:
"Disraeli's previous biographers have noticed that there were some romantic irregularities in his past: he preferred old ladies to young women; he married late; he had a passion for male friendship. The standard explanation for this is that in those pre-Freudian days there was a Romantic cult of friendship and that love between men was sexually "innocent" (the underlying assumption being that sexual contact is "guilty"). Some of his earliest biographers (such as W. F. Monypenny and G. E. Buckle) explained away Disraeli's odd history of affectionate relationships by saying it was due to the "oriental" part of his nature. By this they meant that he was Jewish and thus partly "foreign" and un-English. They were also hinting at a Victorian prejudice that sexual license, including same-sex contact, was more common in "the East" or what we would call the Middle East. Lord Blake, whose 1966 biography is still authoritative, hinted that Disraeli was a lot like Oscar Wilde, and left it there. Two more recent biographers (Sarah Bradford and Jane Ridley) have been more comfortable referring explicitly to the homoerotic element in Disraeli's personality, but neither has regarded it as important enough to give it more than a page or two."
Anyway, let's leave his sexual orientation aside and go back to the book.
The book plot: The protagonist of the novel, George Augustus Frederic, Duke of St James, is an orphan, who has inherited an enormous fortune. The young Duke becomes an unprincipled dandy who wastes much of his wealth on luxuries, debauchery, and gambling. He wears effeminate clothes and has adulterous affairs with women. Gradually, he becomes reformed by his honest guardian Mr Dacre, and his lovely daughter May, whom he eventually marries. May helps him realize that his privileged social position requires him an extraordinary sense of duty and commitment to society.
Basically, the story follows the Duke’s slow transformation, under the discreet influence of a beautiful and benevolent woman, from a self-indulgent, selfish dandy to a responsible aristocrat who takes part in the social and political life of his country.
So yeah, I don't think "dark horse" was just a used phrase. Nothing in GO is "JUST"
Link to article:
https://victorianweb.org/authors/disraeli/youngduke.html?fbclid=IwAR0fuLb1df0cow0xgwRoah5KegHArLf7-XCHsulME5q6oCWEoJBKWr7hNVw
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ingravinoveritas · 11 months
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Why is Anna suddenly coming out with new headshot photos on the day of the good omens trailer release? Girl your desperation for attention is showing immensely if you think choosing to post on today of all days will make anyone forget about the husbands and focus on you instead. Also, wtf re: Georgias insta stories? One question; WHY? Another question; Why are you always talking about and thinking about vaginas and penis’s?? Why do these two always have to be competing for attention whenever the boys have anything? Why can’t they just be normal partners and be supportive without trying to undercut them?
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Holy wow, okay...my inbox blew up. Yes indeed, lots of goings on today, most notably the amazing GO 2 trailer, which I've watched several times and has filled my heart with unbridled homosexual glee.
As for the rest of today's happenings, well...oof. First off, for those who haven't seen, let's get the visuals up, starting with AL's new headshots that she posted and Georgia calling her Barbie:
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And here is the video/screenshots from Georgia's Insta stories:
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...Quite a bit to unpack here, it seems. In terms of AL's headshots, some of you mentioned this (as have other folks who DMed me privately about them), and I agree that they were purposely posted on the same day as the GO 2 trailer release. It's just flagrantly transparent at this point, given the number of times this has happened with previous GO 2 news, and so yes, I do think Anna was trying to capitalize on the news stories and social media chatter around GO 2 to bring attention to herself.
That being said...I'm really not sure who told her that these were good head shots, but they were not at all being honest. The lighting is terrible, her hair looks dull, and the pictures for whatever reason seem...flat, to me. There's no life in them, no spark, which is not helped by her seemingly vacant expression. (Why is her mouth hanging open in disgust in the first picture? Why is she staring into the abyss in the second? I'm so confused...) The pictures are reminiscent of a photo shoot she did last year that inexplicably involved sitting on a radiator while she was pregnant, and the common thread between the two seems to be that either the photographers did not give her good directions, or she just doesn't know how to "relate" to the camera, which...is probably not a good thing, given her chosen profession of acting.
But what really was striking to me was the caption on this new post. The disingenuous tone of "I will admit, not the biggest fan of having pictures taken" coupled with the fact that these pictures were deliberately posted on the day of the GO 2 trailer release makes it seem like she is fishing for compliments/praise. Add to that Georgia sharing the post and referring to AL as "my very own Barbie" (which comes across as incredibly fake) and it becomes clear that this was again coordinated, this time not only to gain attention via the GO 2 trailer, but also Staged 3's impending release on the BBC.
Which then brings us to Georgia's Insta stories. Lord help me, I don't even know where to start. Well, it's been brought to my attention that "Would you rather" is a game, one that is often played on long car rides/road trips and used by parents to entertain restless children. I don't think I ever played it myself as a kid, but the basic gist seems easy enough to understand. What's less easy for me to understand, however, is (as several of you pointed out) Georgia using said game to talk about penises and vaginas.
I'm the first one to acknowledge that I talk about sex a lot. It's part of the work that I do as an autism sexuality advocate, and I'm all in favor of using correct anatomical terms and teaching people about human sexuality/development, and therefore not at all one to begrudge someone talking about genitalia. But with Georgia's stories, I get the sense that she is doing it for shock value more than anything else...and when you talk about penises/vaginas as much as she does, after a while it starts to come across as crass instead of shocking.
By her own admission, Georgia has said she needs content, and so logically, talking about something spicy would be a good way to drum up engagement/generate content. Yet I couldn't help thinking of the fact that Georgia has numerous trans and/or gender non-conforming followers, and given the current climate around transgender issues in the UK (and US)--especially things like "bathroom checks" and the despicable obsession GCs have with trans people's genitals--her stories just edge too close to something unsettling for me. I'm not saying this was necessarily intentional on Georgia's part, but the fact that she then shared people's responses without knowing (or caring) whether people were okay with it made it even weirder and more disquieting.
Both Georgia and AL posted the trailer to their Insta stories after posting the things above, and again this seems calculated because then you have to view the stories about them before getting to the GO 2 trailer. But as @phantomstars24 said, the focus was swiftly pulled off of them (rightfully so) once that trailer was out. They absolutely could have chosen to depict themselves as supportive partners, but chose to come across as opportunistic and self-serving instead. I can't begin to fathom why, but...there it is.
So yes, there was quite a bizarre incongruity between what was happening on Instagram vs. Twitter/Tumblr today, and the fact that it came from Michael and David's own partners makes it even stranger. I'm sure Georgia and AL have been tapped to help with the promotion for GO 2 (and Staged 3), but it really does seem like they missed the mark here. Cringe for days...
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@wolfstarmicrofic - prompt: back - sorry if this makes no sense my brain's mush rn! masterpost (this part jumps back in time)
It was after Christmas of their fifth year, Sirius newly sixteen and back from the last holiday he ever spent in that London house. Everything must have been so near breaking point, and they all watched how he drew away, acted up, put up a splintering wall of bravado around the hurt he wouldn’t let anyone near. He always took a while to unwind and settle, after coming back from the holidays, but there was something different about this time that not even James could get to him. 
To say that Remus was worried would surely be an understatement. He’d never before woke up in the middle of the night to find Sirius gone. He felt such coldness plunged into his stomach, he immediately wished it might never happen again. And he was infinitely relieved, when it ended up being resolved with Sirius gathering them all to declare, with a raised-chin defiance, that he was gay.
Peter’s mouth dropped open in shock, and James stared at him silently with a blank expression for five solid seconds, before his expression broke in revelation.
“That’s why you’ve always seemed so disinterested!”
“Well, yeah? I was just looking the other way.”
“That’s why you’ve never gone out or done anything with girls!”
“Er.”
James had a positive glint in his eyes. “Wait, does that mean you’ve— I mean, have you—”
“Had sex with boys?” Sirius arched an eyebrow. “Well, ye. A few times.”
“And… that’s where you were those nights you were gone?”
“Yeah. Sorry about that, by the way, wandering out unannounced and all…”
It really was funny, Remus thought, that the interrogator was flushing deeper than the interrogated. 
As for himself, he would have accepted the fact with a blink and a shrug. The idea seemed remote. Homosexuality. But he’ll probably just add it to the long list of things he admired Sirius for. Truthfully, Remus had never quite thought about it in relation to himself before, it wasn’t as though any of this relationship business interested him in the first place. He briefly entertained the idea, considered the possibility of placing his lips against another man’s— perhaps even Sirius’... and decided that he didn’t mind, not really. But it didn’t make him that, did it?
By Sirius’ side, James was still stuck in some intense inner turmoil.
“So, um. What— what is it like?” he asked.
Taking in his best friend’s flustered state, Sirius began to smirk. “You know, Prongs. I could show you, you only have to ask.”
James’ eyes went comically wide. “You would?”
And because they were clearly imminently threatened with the two of them beginning to strip on the spot, Remus cut in. “Alright there!”
For a moment, Sirius’ eyes flashed to his, with the slightest bit of hurt— a doubt, a question. 
“We all still love you of course.” Remus hurried to say, “just, not that much.” 
With that, Sirius grinned beatifically. “Really Remus? Can’t I convince you? I bet Moony would let Padfoot—” 
“Don’t you dare—” Remus’ eyes widened as Sirius began to laugh. Then even as he proceeded to tackle Remus to the ground he let out a sigh of relief. 
And, because the matter was barely brought up again, that, they decided, was that.
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Tensimm + Donna Incorrect quotes (pt3) with star-guest, Jack
Pt1 Pt2
Doctor: When I said you should try being friendlier this isn't what I meant.
Master, stirring a cup of tea aggressively: Oh, so now I'm TOO friendly? There's no pleasing you.
Jack, who broke into their house an hour ago: Two sugars please.
Master: Coming right up.
Donna: How did you even get in here?
Jack: The Doctor’s window! Or, as I like to call it, "Jack’s door"!
Doctor: I’m closing the window.
Doctor: This food is too hot... I cant eat it.
Master: You’re very hot, and I still eat you.
Everyone at the table: *silence*
Jack : YOU GUYS ARE DISGUSTING!
Donna: One dinner... I just want ONE DINNER!
Master: I love you.
Doctor : I love you too. I've waited so long to hear you say that.
*The Master and the Doctor kiss passionately*
Donna, to Jack: You owe me 20 dollars.
Master: Jack, you'll be working with Doctor and Donna.
Jack: Alright! My fantasy threesome!
Everyone else: *blank stares*
Jack: ...Of people on a team.
Donna : What is love?
Doctor: An emotional minefield.
Master: A neurochemical reaction.
Jack: Baby don't hurt me.
Donna: Time sensitive question how flirt girl.
Doctor : Throw rocks at she.
Jack: Hot Dogs.
Master: Kill her.
Donna: Thanks guys.
Jack: What do you want then?
Donna : Er… something work related.
Jack: What department is this?
Donna : Sorry?
Jack: Well, if it’s work related you’d obviously know what department this is. What department is this?
Donna : *looks at Doctor and Master* Some sort of homosexual department?
Doctor, teaching the Master to drive: Okay, you're driving and Donna and Jack walk into the road. Quick, what do you hit?
Master: Oh, definitely Jack. I could never hurt Donna .
Doctor, massaging their temples: The brakes. You hit the brakes.
Master: We need a way to lure in new customers?
Donna : Maybe we could have some fun, interactive events!
Jack: Doctor bath water.
Doctor: ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Donna: I'm bored.
Master: Wanna commit first degree murder?
Donna: Sure!
Doctor, hearing them: No- Stop, don't do that! Put that knife down! Put Jack down!!
Donna: Do you love the Doctor?
Master: Yeah, I do.
Donna: Jack! I told you I knew it! You owe me 100 bucks!
Jack : We all love the Doctor. You should've asked if they were IN love with them.
Master: I thought that was implied.
Donna : ...
Jack: ...
Master, looking straight at Jack : Congrats Donna, you just won 100 bucks.
Doctor: I am convinced Jack and Donna share a brain cell.
Master: And it's not in use very often, it seems.
Donna: Jack is taking credit for Master's work, getting them to deal with everything, and making fun of them! You know what they sounds like?
Doctor: You?
Donna: No, I meant... You know Master. In spite of being clever and sarcastic they’re also... fragile and weird and they have trouble fitting in. And Jack is taking advantage of their weakness! You know what that’s called?
Doctor: A Donna?
Donna: ...Yeah, but I’m the only one who should be allowed to do that, okay?!
Doctor: What do we think of the Master?
*pause*
Donna : *sighs* Nice pal.
Jack: I think they're gay.
Donna : What’s wrong? You look 10 seconds away from ripping someone’s throat out.
Doctor: Fucking Jack and Master were trying to invoke one of the minor gods again last night. I didn't get an ounce of sleep, thanks to their bloody chanting.
Donna, filling out legal paperwork: Were you guys born AMAB or AFAB?
Jack: Bold of you to assume I was born at all.
Doctor: I personally was created in a lab.
Master: I just straight up spawned lol.
Donna: Everyone synchronise your watches.
Jack: I don't know how to do that.
Master: I don't wear a watch.
Doctor: Time is a construct.
Master: You have friends and I envy that.
Doctor: You're welcome to share my friends.
Master: *looks at Jack and Donna*
Master: I don't want those.
Donna: Made you all playlists!
Donna: Master, yours has only heavy metal, and is dark like your soul.
Donna: Doctor, yours has sad songs and blues to pair with your crippling depression.
Donna: And Jack has the ABBA Gold album.
Donna: What are you getting the Doctor for the holidays?
Master: I don't know. It's kind of hard buying a gift for your partner when they already got everything they could've ever wanted when they married you. So I'm not sure yet.
Jack: I'm getting the Doctor a divorce lawyer.
Donna: It’s Christmas! Are you all in a Christmas mood?!
Doctor: Merry crisis.
Jack: Jingle bells, jingle bells, single all the way.
Master: Hoe hoe hoe.
Donna: Guys, please.
Master: Doctor, my old friend!
Doctor: I think you tried to kill me at some point.
Master: That was obviously just my way of getting to know you.
Jack: sapnu puaS.
Master: What??
Doctor: What language is that.
Jack: Turn your phone 180 degrees.
*Jack was removed from the groupchat*
Doctor: Jack, keep an eye on the Master today. They're going to say something to the wrong person and get punched.
Jack: Sure, I'd love to see the Master getting punched.
Donna: Try again.
Jack, sighing: I will try to stop the Master from getting punched.
Doctor: Did it hurt when you fell-
Master: From heaven? Wow, I didn’t think you were such a flirt-
Doctor: No, I meant when you fell down the stairs.
Master: ...
Doctor: You just laid there for 15 minutes.
Donna: *eating a cinnamon roll*
Jack: Cannibalism.
Donna: *confused chewing noises*
Doctor: I have feelings for you.
Master: Why? What's wrong with you? Are you sure you're okay?
Jack: What's worse than a heartbreak?
Donna: Waking up in the morning and your phone wasn't charging.
Doctor: Waking up in the morning.
Master: Waking up.
Master: I still don’t have a New Year’s resolution.
Jack: You could lose a few.
Doctor: You could be less lazy.
Donna: Don’t be such a bitch.
Master: Okay DAMN, SHIT.
Jack: Why is Master crying on the floor?
Donna: They're drunk.
Jack: And?
Donna: They saw a picture of Doctor's spouse.
Jack: But they're Doctor's spouse.
Donna: I know.
Jack: Hah! 69! you know what that means?
Master: What?
Doctor: That you're a child.
Donna: HOW YOU GUESS MY IQ?!?
Donna: Truth or dare?
Doctor: Dare.
Donna: I dare you to kiss the hottest person in the room.
Doctor: Hey Jack?
Jack, blushing: Yeah?
Doctor: Can you move? I'm trying to get to the Master.
Donna: Could you guys at least try to see this from my perspective?
Master: *crouches down*
Jack: *kneels down*
Doctor: *sits on the floor*
Donna:
Donna: I hate all of you.
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Xenogenders on Wikipedia
This is a segment from the main non-binary Wikipedia article. There aren't that many at all, actually. There are a couple others loosely related to a non-binary identity, but this is from the main one.
This is listed among about ten other identities under the list of identities under the non-binary umbrella, others including genderfluid, agender, bigender, and pangender (those last two having the same definition, by the way, but that's a different discussion).
Anyways, the last one is this:
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I've seen people on Tumblr make cardds that explain xenogenders better than this. And of course, if you know me, I still don't think that xenogenders are necessary and I believe that they cover up other things that aren't related to gender. But this section in the current Wikipedia article for non-binary states that a section of people under the non-binary label use "gender identities that are described with terms outside standard human understandings of gender."
How long has the LGBT community advocated for being seen as human? Wasn't it one of the main insults back in the day for homosexuals, bisexuals, and transgender people to be demeaned as "inhuman"? And this is really what we need right now?
Also, this part made me question peoples' common sense, but there are two references to that xenogender section. The first leads to a book that I believe has something to do with counselling, while the second one… you can't make this shit up… leads to an article about a "tranimal hippo" (direct quote), and as the tags of the article say:
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"Transpecies" is literally something that even mogai/xenogender people all over the internet dislike, and even if it's a metaphor, being transgender is anything but. You don't transition from one gender to another as a metaphor, you do it permanently to become the other gender.
Seriously, this is what people mean when they say that it makes the LGBT community look like a joke. I don't have a problem with otherkin, but what I do have a problem with is identities relating to otherkin diving into the LGBT community when it's something completely different.
Can you imagine yourself genuinely researching non-binary as an identity, completely new to the topic, and then you come across a crossover between transpecies and non-binary people? I honestly think a lot of people are confused about where the line is drawn, and when it makes them bigots to think that the line is only drawn when it's far enough away from being transgender to the point that you identify as a celebrity, then I really think people need to be wiser with that line.
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ALSO this bit from george washington, which isn't necessarily as a response to people's qualms abt his character per se, but it's fascinating for so many reasons to me:
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i don't necessarily think it means george washington condoned homosexual relationships, but it's notable that he can separate the way people live their lives from their professional abilities, and to additionally not use it as a judgment of their character. i want to know so much more. was it intentional on his part to surround von steubon by ppl who wouldn't judge his character? was it because they were willing to work with /him/ or was it an acknowledgement of their common queerness/sexuality? does it reveal anything about the attitudes people historically had towards queerness? could it be that there was a somewhat open community of people in the seventeen fucking hundreds? does george washington gay ally? (thats a joke, kinda)
but also, it makes me excited for wind/water and any potential interaction between ben and washington, or what that *could* look like.
I've put out some feelers on the ole Turn Discord (which I haven't been active on in ages) as I'm certain someone there was the resident expert on Washington's stance on homosexuality based on his treatment and relationship with, among others, Von Steuben and his aides.
Your quote sounded so familiar I thought you were quoting William Benemann's "Male-Male Intimacy in Early America", but I don't think you are. What Benemann does have to say about it is this [pg. 98]:
Worldly as Franklin may have been, he probably shared the prejudices of most Americans when it came to charges of men having sex with young boys. Perhaps his distaste accounts for the coolness Von Steuben sensed from a man otherwise renowned for his easy humour and deft diplomacy. But Franklin was also a hardheaded businessman with few illusions about human nature. If he disapproved of the Baron's sexual practices, he was willing to overlook them if circumstances required it. The Continental Army was in desperate need of both tactical know-how and international prestige, both of which would come from a perceived alliance with the Prussian military machine. The Baron was to some extent "damaged goods", but he was the best Franklin could acquire at the moment, and if Von Steuben was not exactly the personal envoy of Frederick the Great, King of Prussia, no one in America need know. Franklin welcomed the Baron to the American cause, and the marketing of Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben began.
This whole chapter of Benemann's, Gone for a Soldier, is fascinating for the many connections that seem to radiate outward from the Baron that include a degree of male intimacy. Starting with Laurens and Hamilton ironically being assigned to be his first interpreters in camp, to his first two official aide-de-camps, Captain Benjamin Walker and Captain William North, who seem to have shared a close romantic understanding or experience with each other as well, and possibly in some relation with the Baron. And of course Washington and his aide-de-camps, the subject of much discourse at the time and now.
And then of course the writer brain kicks in, not that I would take on the full job of writing a Washington first person POV and having to flesh out his characterization that much (bit rich for my blood and there's not enough years on this earth to read all the accumulated research on him...). But North and Walker would be interesting to explore. In general I like second-in-commands, there's just more room for expansion.
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Queerbating- it’s history, the beauty and my thoughts
Introduction- my thoughts on Queerbaiting and Queercoding  
Let's talk about queerbaiting. Now Queerbaiting itself is a huge topic, so I will only focus on Queerbaiting in the film industry.The word queerbating comes from the word queer and bait first what does either of these  terms mean, Queer means not fitting traditional ideas about gender or sexuality, especially the idea that everyone is either male or female or that people should only have sexual relationships with the opposite sex while Baiting means:something that is said or offered to people in order to make them react in a particular way.  When combined Queerbaiting is seen as when a person or character is hinting that they are in a way queer . This is done mostly to attract queer audiences and since they lack much representation I would say queerbaiting  works most of the time.There are multiple examples of queerbating, one such example is Sherlock and  John from the 2010 BBC show Sherlock or Dean and Casitel from the 2005 show Supernatural.The second question asked would be ‘why would someone? The answer to this question is fairly simple to me. Homophobia. I personally would say that the reason writers result to queerbaiting instead of giving us an actual proper queer character is the fear of the conservative viewers disliking it.Thus, they write in a subtly queer character who would attract queer people while still allowing the show to not be considered homosexual just so that the age criteria of the show does not become too high  in order to attract a larger audience. Though, One might say it's the best of both worlds, but it really isn’t.
What started Queercoding in films?
When looking at the cause of Queerbaiting, one has to look at the “Hays Code” that old Hollywood had to abide by . From the early 1930s to the late 1960s, The Motion Picture Production Code or better known as the “Hays Code”, restricted what could or could not be shown in Cinema. Queer content was not allowed to be explicitly shown as it was against the rules that state: “ The sympathy of the audience should never been thrown to the side of crime, wrong-doing ,evil or sin”. Homosexuality obviously was seen as a sin in the 30s and sadly still is by some in the present day. Thankfully, this did not stop many filmmakers from still bringing up such topics in their works. This brings us to one of the founding fathers of cinema, the late Albert Hitchcock.
 Albert Hitchcock-  One of the most influential people in the history of cinema 
 Albert Hitchcock is known for his many film masterpieces such as Psycho , Vertigo , Strangers on a Train and my personal favourite Rope. Most of Hitchcock’s films, regardless of genre, have something in common- subtle queerness. Arguably two of Hitchcock’s favourite actors to use in his projects are John Dall and Farley Granger, who both were undeniably queer. Which only adds onto the queer subtext in his works. Through making these characters more feminine or creating strong sexual tension between male characters, we are  able to depict his characters as queer. Which was a bold move for someone in the 1960s. This method of adding in subtle queer characters is one of the many early example of queercoding in films.
What inspired the phrase?
 Many would say that the phrase “Queerbaiting'' dates back to the 1990s as a variant of the equally controversial phrase “race-baiting”. Which according to the Cambridge Dictionary is “The act of intentionally encouraging racism or anger about issues relating to race, often to get a political advantage”. Tumblr users in 2010 however have a different view. They say they were “baited” like fishes with bait on the hook. Like they were baited or tricked into thinking there was LGBTQIA+ representation in the show they were watching. Thus the term - Queerbaiting.
Back to the modern film industry.
 Now in many films we watch, Queerbaiting is still widely present. However, I would argue that the representation of LGBTQIA+ community has improved dramatically as there are more Queer Characters in mainstream cartoons. For example, in the Cartoon Network series, Adventure Time, after 10 whole seasons and 8 years of the show, the ship “Bubbline” (Princess Bubblegum and Marceline)was finally confirmed in 2018.There is also an increased number of LGBTQIA + people shown in mainstream media.Like the Netflix reality show, Queer Eye. Such representation is important as it shows queer questioning youths that they are valid regardless of their sexuality or gender identity. Although the situation is a lot better compared to the 1960s, there is still room for improvement. Many countries still have a ban against LGBTQIA + representation in mainstream media, one such country is here in Singapore.
 Shipping within the fandom
With the idea of Queerbaiting,"baiting"fans into watching the show. How do fans coping with their disappointment- shipping.  According to Wikipedia  the definition of shipping is:”the desire by followers of a fandom for two or more people, either real-life people or fictional characters to be in a romantic and/or sexual relationship. It is considered a general term for fans' involvement with the ongoing character development of two people's character arcs in a work of fiction.” Now there are multiple popular ships that are widely known, for example,“Stucky” or Captain America and his longtime best friend Sergeant Barnes from the Marvel Franchise. This of course happens with real people as well. One popular example is the ship “ Larry” which consists of Harry Styles and Louis Thomlinson from the band One Direction however the focus of this is on Film so we would not be going into that . Many fans would come up with a large amount of evidence from the shows or films to back up why their ship should have been canon. Fans could look into the smallest details like the way the characters' eyes react or the characters' subtle hand actions. I personally am guilty for taking part in  shipping as well. 
 Luca- the 2021 disney pixar film[ my favourite animated film]
To Serve as a summary,I want to dissect the film Luca . The Conversation has an article written by Kodi Maier on queerbaiting in animation and they mentioned the film Luca and brought up some valid points. That article is one of the many things that inspired the writing of this. Now this is personally one of my favourtie films of all time and although throughout the film there are little to no queer representation shown. It is to me one of the best examples of queerbaiting in film .Let me explain why I as a Queer person really enjoyed this film and why i think Queerbaiting was indeed present.  The film focuses on our two main characters Luca Purgo and Alberto Scarfano, throughout the film they share a very close relationship or what many might interpret as an achillean relationship. Luca can also be seen going through what many LGBTQIA +youths go through: the fear of being different and the fear of their parents finding out about that difference ; Luca finds out about the joy of going to the surface which is what started his relationship with Alberto however due to his parents or most sea monsters fear of the surface, Luca is forced to hide about his adventures and Alberto. Throughout the time Luca and Alberto spent on the surface they still have the fear of getting caught as sea monsters, it is only towards the end of the film when the small town accepts them do they finally feel comfortable in their own skin. The connection of Luca and Alberto’s fear and the fear LGBTQ people have to go or  went through is what I would say make this a fan favourite. Not to mention the director of the film Enrico Casarosa has said that he discussed the two main characters having a romantic relationship in the animated adventure. It is kind of disappointing that it was decided against , even in the film  the pair is split by an added character, a town girl ,Giulia once again following a hetero pattern. Despite everything, it is still a very good film I feel everyone should watch at least once.
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ryuzakemo128 · 2 years
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Peaky Blinders Incorrect (Part Eleven)
(Part One / Part Two / Part Three / Part Four / Part Five / Part Six / Part Seven / Part Eight / Part Nine / Part Ten )
(Dividers by this person here )
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Michael: What’s wrong? You look 10 seconds away from ripping someone’s throat out. Gina: Fucking Thomas and Red were trying to invoke one of the minor gods again last night. I didn't get an ounce of sleep, thanks to their bloody chanting.
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Gina: Is the plural of milf/dilf milfs/dilfs or milves/dilves? Red: Milfs. Thomas: Milf/dilf is an acronym, you can't change the spelling to milves/dilves. Gina: Wait, they're acronyms? What do they stand for??? Michael: Mom in late forties, dad in late forties. Michael: I learned that from the movie called M.I.L.F that I saw the trailer of in theaters probably 5 to 7 years ago. Thomas: Mom/dad I'd Love to Fuck. Gina: WAIT, WHAT THE FUCK— Gina: I NEVER REALIZED IT WAS ACTUALLY HORNY! Michael: Oh, is it not mom in late forties? Red: What? No! It isn't! Michael: THE MOVIE TRAILER LIED TO ME! Thomas: Michael..... Michael: THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T THINK CALLING PEOPLE MILFS WAS ALL THAT BAD BECAUSE IT STOOD FOR SOMETHING HARMLESS IT JUST HAD A SLIGHTLY SEXUAL CONNOTATION! Thomas: I am entirely unsurprised that this is coming from you. Michael: GINA, DOES IT MAKE SENSE WHY I CALLED THE DIARY OF A WIMPY KID MOM A MILF NOW BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS LITERALLY JUST A DESCRIPTOR WITH FUNNY CONNOTATION! Gina: The word milf has been ruined for me. Red: THAT'S ITS DEFINITION, IT CAN'T BE RUINED THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS! Thomas: Y'all are dumbasses.
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Gina: Die. Red: Please don't die! Gina: DIE! Red: PLEASE DON'T DIE! Michael, confused: Why are they yelling at a plant? Thomas, watching while eating popcorn: They bought it together and Red wants Gina to accept it as their kid.
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Red: What’s up with Gina? They’ve been laying on the floor for like….an hour now? Thomas: They're just a little overwhelmed. Red: Why? Thomas: Michael smiled at them.
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Red: I give up. I am so tired. Michael: Get the emergency supply! Gina: *carries Thomas and places him in front of Red* Thomas: *smiles* Red: AND I AM BACK BABY, LET’S GOOO
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Red: We can bake these cookies at 400 degrees for 10 minutes or 4,000 degrees for 1 minute. Gina: No, that's not how you make cookies. Thomas: FLOOR IT!! Red: How about 4,000,000 degrees for 1 second?!? Gina: yOU'RE GONNA BURN THE HOUSE DOWN- Red:I'M GONNA HARNESS THE POWER OF THE FUCKING SUN TO MAKE COOKIES! Michael: DO IT! Gina: NO-
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Red: What do you want then? Gina: Er… something work related. Red: What department is this? Gina: Sorry? Red: Well, if it’s work related you’d obviously know what department this is. What department is this? Red: *looks at Michael and Thomas* Some sort of homosexual department?
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Red: Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, and wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad. Gina: That's deep. Michael: That means that ketchup is a smoothie. Gina: That's deeper. Thomas: ...You guys are idiots.
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Michael: Thomas’s gonna kill me. Gina: No, they'll probably make me do it.
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Red, talking about Michael: Is this a friend of yours, Thomas? Thomas: Kind of? Not really. They're in my life and there's nothing I can do about it.
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Thomas: Okay, can we all stop saying stupid shit for a moment, please?! Red: Alright. Michael: Hey, I- Thomas: SHUT UP! Michael: I HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED MY SENTENCE!! Red: It was bound to be stupid.
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Thomas: Wow! Gina made you cry? Red, tearing up: Yes, and they said some really mean things that are only partly true.
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Michael, knocking on the door: Thomas, open up! Thomas: It all started when I was a kid. Michael: That’s not what I- Red: Let them finish!
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Michael: *Holds a sign that says "Prom?" outside Red's window* Michael: OH my God, Yes! Thomas: *Yelling up* No, tell Red! Michael: Red! I'm going to prom with your lover!
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Michael, watching Gina do something stupid: Thomas, you're officially only the second highest risk here. Thomas: Hell yeah! I'm gonna— Michael: Don't finish that sentence, you'll move back up.
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Michael: Red is a perfect cinnamon scone who’s never done anything wrong in their entire life! Thomas: Never done anything wrong?! They set a city block on FIRE!
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Michael: Red, I know you love Thomas. I mean, we all do, he is a very nice person and I respect him immensely. Michael: But I think he might be a fucking idiot.
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Red, grinning: Before you were what? Michael: Before I was- Red: What? Michael: Before I was inter- Red: Before you were interrupted? Michael: Cut me off one more time and I swear I'll- Red: What? Michael: *makes frustrated sound* Gina, nervously: Stop that. Before he hurts you.
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Red: Thomas annoyed me today so I told him that I can’t wait to see what he has planned for our special day tomorrow. Michael: There is nothing special about tomorrow. Red: But there is something special about watching the color leave his face as panic takes over.
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Gina: Michael has no survival skills, his need to win has replaced him. Thomas: That can't be true! Gina: Watch this. Gina: Hey Michael, race you to the bottom of the stairs! Michael: *Throws himself out a window*
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Red: Protip is you do not feel good about yourself after eating tomato sauce on iceberg lettuce. Michael: What's wrong with you?? Red: I literally JUST said I ate tomato sauce on iceberg lettuce?? Pay attention. Gina: No, he means other than that. Red: Ohhhhhh. Red: I haven't slept in 4 days.
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Red: I hate to to tell you this, but one of you was adopted. Gina & Thomas: Gina: Was it Thomas?
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Gina: YOU CHEATED! Red: So did my dad, but hey, my mom knew it all and even sorted out their wedding, so what’s the problem? Thomas: I… can confirm that that actually happened. 
Gina: …What.
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Gina: Did you take out Thomas as I requested? Red: Thomas has been taken out, yes. Gina: You have my grat- Red: It was a great restaurant. Red: We had a romantic candlelit dinner. Red: Thomas proposed afterwards- we’re filing the wedding papers.
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Thomas: Michael gave me a get better soon card. Red: That's sweet! Thomas: I wasn't sick, they just think I can do better.
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*Something crashes* Michael: Shoot- Red: *running into the room in a panic* WHAT FELL?! Gina: *walking by the room calmly* What died?
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Red: Hah! 69! you know what that means? Thomas: What? Gina: That you're a child. Michael: HOW YOU GUESS MY IQ?!?
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Thomas: I’m so happy two of my favorite people are getting along now. Michael: Uh, Red and Gina are not getting along. Thomas: They’re not trying to kill each other. Michael: You may have a point.
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Gina: Is stabbing someone immoral? Red: Not if they consent to it. Thomas: Depends on who your stabbing. Michael: YES??!!?
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Gina, texting in the group chat: I wonder what Apple shots would look like? Red: *Sends a picture of of a syringe with an apple slice shoddily edited inside* Michael: *Sends a picture of a shot glass with an Apple poorly drawn inside* Thomas: *Sends picture of person dunking a Basketball into the hoop but replaced the basketball with a poorly resized apple* Gina: I hate all of you.
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Michael: Those darn tall old people. Thomas: Darn em' indeed. Gina: Don't worry, they'll be gone soon enough. Red: *sharpening knife* Yes. Dead. The Squad: Red: Hahaha. Red: ...Is this self-destructive behavior?
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Gina: Where's Thomas? Michael: Don't worry, I'll find him. Michael, shouting: Red sucks! Thomas, distantly: Red is the best person ever! Fuck you! Michael: Found him.
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Michael: We might have gotten into a bar room brawl back in the city. Thomas: Well, that was entirely predictable. Michael: One of them punched a gang member. Thomas: Gina? Michael: Red, actually. Thomas: Oh, that was going to be my second guess.
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Michael: That's ridiculous, Gina doesn't have a crush on me. Red: Yes she does. Thomas: Yes she does. Gina: Yes I do.
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Michael: *falls down the stairs* Thomas: Are you okay? Red: Stop falling down the stairs! Gina: How’d the ground taste?
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Michael, watching Thomas and Gina fight: Are you sure they should be fighting? What if they get hurt? Red, not bothered by the chaos: It’s fine. They’re too evenly matched to hurt each other. Michael: Then... who’s the strongest out of you three? Thomas: Red. Gina: Red. Red: Me.
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Thomas: Why is Michael crying on the floor? Red: They're drunk. Thomas: And? Red: They saw a picture of Gina's spouse. Thomas: But they're Gina's spouse. Red: I know.
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Michael: How late were you up last night? Gina & Thomas, in tandem: Me? Michael: No, not you two. You stay up late all the time. Michael, to Red: You.
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Thomas: *tapping fingers on table* Red: *taps fingers back furiously* Gina: …What’s going on? Michael: Morse code. They’re talking. Thomas: -.-- ..- .-. / - …. . / -.-. ..- - . … - Red: *slams hands on table* YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
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Red: Sometimes I drink milk straight from the container. Thomas: The cow?? Red: What? Gina: Thomas, W H Y?
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Red: What if people had food names and food had people names? Gina: Hey, spaghetti, we’re having Red for dinner. Thomas: What is wrong with you people? Michael: Shut up, chocolate.
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Thomas: You’re such a dumbass (affectionate). Red: Aww, you’re such a whore (complimentary). Michael: How are you talking like that in real life? Red: Witchcraft (derogatory).
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His Literal Downfall
Life flashes before Bobby’s eyes, but instead of happy memories, all he has in mind are the negative scenarios he encounters, such as the guilt he feels while his having fun, various of programs he participated in to be "cured,"  the judgmental looks people gave him, and most importantly all the times his mother condemned his actions, echoing their last conversion “I won’t have a gay son.” before he plunged to his death from an overpass. This is Bobby Griffith’s final moments, but before he took his own life something happened in between that led to this moment. Reflected from the beginning scenes, it is clearly notice that Bobby’s family are homophobic as his older brother mocks “gay” mannerism while his whole family laughs, the mother feeling disgusted about the act and his grandma commenting stuff to the extreme as she suggest that “queer should all been lined up and shot”. Bobby, conflicted with his sexuality, writes his thoughts on his diary, describing a hindrance to him becoming his own self. He then attempted to commit suicide by aspirin overdose but didn’t continue because, regardless of whether he died by killing himself or by living as gay, both equated to him going to hell anyway. After coming out as gay, it seems like everything change for Bobby as his family, especially his mom, is tying to find “cure” for his homosexuality as if it was some sort of disease. Reflected through his conversation with the psychiatrist, Bobby doesn’t want to renounce his homosexuality but just wants to get closer to his family again when asked if he doesn’t want to be gay. He was forced to conform to his family’s beliefs by attending bible study, going to a psychiatrist, being set up with a girl, and correcting his “gay” mannerism of putting his hand behind his hips. But none of these stopped Bobby from wanting to have relations with people of the same gender. When he left his home and lived in Portland for two months, he felt liberated for the first time and could be his own person. Once he got back home, he was confident enough to talk about his new boyfriend with the family. It seems that the whole family slowly accepts Bobby for who he is, except his mother. Bobby argues with his mom that him being gay is what he truly is, but his mother deflects this idea. With Bobby’s final plead he gave his mother a choice "accept me as I am or forget it", this was the moment where his mother rejected Bobby by saying "I won’t have a gay son." When Bobby comes back to Portland, he has fallen into a state of depression. Longing for comfort, he went to look for his boyfriend, only to find out that he was cheating on him. This ultimately drives Bobby to take his own life seeing as his boyfriend is his only reason for him to live but was let down by his infidelity. Bobby had enough. He drove across the overpass, circling back to where we started. 
One factor that contributed to Bobby's demise was his family's influence brought upon their religious beliefs. They suggest that if only he could pray hard enough or strengthen his faith, he would turn “normal” again. Another factor could be the silent judgments he received for being queer from the people around him, like his psychiatrist and his schoolmates. But the turning point in his decision to end his life was his mother’s rejection of his sexuality. Bobby was unable to convince his mother that his homosexuality was not something he chose but was born with. Bobby’s mother even prayed for her son’s downfall as she prayed to God to "continue to convict Bobby’s heart of sin." In the end, it all led to Bobby’s literal downfall as all these factors continued to ring in his head and he felt that death was his only escape from all this mess. 
The person who is severely affected by the aftermath of Bobby’s death is Mary, his mother. Throughout the second half of the film, which mostly revolves around Mary, it is noticed that she is going through the five stages of grief. Denial: She thinks that Bobby’s suicide was part of God’s plan since he, as she puts it, "wasn’t in his right mind." Anger: As she reads Bobby’s diary and learns about his internal struggles, she feels anger toward herself and the church she is attending. Bargaining: She starts to question the interpretation of the bible from the Metropolitan Community Church, who are accepting of the gay community. Depression: She starts to attend a meeting of Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) and have come to realize that Bobby was different from the very day he was born and blames herself for not seeing it sooner as she states that she killed her own son. Acceptance: With all this roller coaster of emotions encountered, her speech from the city council meeting highlights her overall relationship with Bobby as she admits that it was hard for her to accept Bobby’s sexuality and that she is reluctant to abandon her religious convictions but now sees it as nothing but "bigotry" and "dehumanizing slander." She has come to the conclusion that Bobby is made in God’s image despite his homosexuality and his death was the cause of not accepting this fact due to poor parenting. She ended her speech by encouraging people to think before reinforcing homophobia disguised as "teachings" from the Bible. 
Mary Griffith said, ��Before you echo Amen in your home or place of worship, think and remember. A child is listening.” This is one of the film's most memorable lines, and it is a lesson that we should all remember. The irony of religious people is they depict God as a forgiving father but prays for the downfall of sinners so they could come back to Him. They have faith in the scriptures but blindly follow them, cherry-picking the ones that fit with their own narrative. We tend to say Amen in agreement with what the priest preaches regarding the teaching of the Bible, without questioning its interpretation and meaning behind it. The quote mentioned means that proclaiming amen might mean death wish to your loved one as they hear what these absurd teachings such “all homosexuals will spend eternity in hell” and feel dejected. 
Overall, some of the themes seen throughout the film are family drama, change vs. tradition, and death. This film’s theme is a family drama because it depicts the main conflict between Bobby and his family over his sexuality. Bobby tries to make them accept his homosexuality despite his family, especially mother’s traditional christian beliefs highlighting the theme of change vs. tradition. Most importantly, the turning point of the story was the theme of death, as Bobby took his own life, making the story revolve around Bobby’s mother, Mary, as she slowly copes with Bobby’s death while becoming closer to the gay community as a tribute to Bobby’s legacy.
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