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law-purpose · 2 days
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tinseltastic · 2 days
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A couple of little Flemish angels
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“i kin francis!” “i kin charles!” “i kin camilla!” nope! you are a richard papen kin. we are all richard papen kin’s, and tbh i believe that that was one of the points of his character. (unless, of course, you claim to be a henry kin. then you are undeniably bunny)
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barnbridges · 15 hours
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happy they killed bunny corcoran day!
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welivetodream · 2 days
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Just felt like I haven't re-read TSH in a while. So I wondered if I could write a full blown essay (not really, more like a brief analysis) on the characters from TSH.
I might not even end up writing them but I would like to know which characters people are most interested in learning in-depth about.
There's so much to say about this story that no one can ever stop analysing it. If Donna took 10 years to complete it, there must be so much we can discuss about it!!!
I will try to write a detailed analysis when I have the time to re-read TSH (studying for exams, writing a book and reading "The Bell Jar" and "Pet Sematary" for the 1st time lol)
I hope this will inspire people to make more post abt TSH theories/analysis/thoughts (been tired with the regular mood boards and quotes)
(PS: "Looking Through The Male Gaze" for Camilla is about Richard's gaze, not Donna Tartt's)
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bandaiddd · 2 days
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Richard Papen is queer because his entire internal monologue is basically him finding masculinity attractive in both men and women, not because he kissed a dude after repeatedly stating that they should stop.
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"What are you gonna do about it?!"
I will become rich, befriend you, become depended on you because you're the only one to make me laugh and then push you off a cliff.
But worry not! It is just redistribuction of matter.
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going to drop this here and run
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0bsessiv3s0ul · 18 hours
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Thinking about this.
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tendergraphite · 1 day
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Stripping Back Richards Perspective—The Macaulay Twins
When observing the twins, context is vital. Remember ‘’The Secret History’’ Is a confessional biography written by a murderer who excludes incriminating details. Richard is a storyteller at heart, he will choose folly over fact always. This is all to say, we cannot trust his opinions of the twins—Neither his demonization nor sexualization.
Richard views the world under the lens that beauty, leads to love. That his birthplace, ugly and tainted, has doomed him to a lonely existence. Because he’s been deprived his whole life, he only knows what makes a member of society earn adoration (Status, money, intellect, etc.)
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To put it bluntly: A man who’s never tasted water before, will walk right past it when parched—Opting to instead drink the blood of dear, as they’d seen the hunters do.
To Richard, touching greatness (The twins) is to be divine—To be worthy of affection. It's why he bolsters the twins impossibly high; he’s artificially made himself feel worthy of love. In doing so, he's removed all human flaw from these individuals.
Charles Isn't A Violent Dog
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During the river scene, we gain insight into the twins true dynamic. Camilla, immobile on the warm grass, asks Charles to pull the trapped glass from her foot. But he is incapable, growing sick and faint at the prospect. In the end, Henry out of frustration pushes him to the side, and pulls the shard out himself.
This speaks for two things—That Charles cannot hurt Camilla physically, but also that he cannot help her when she is in pain.
''But how,'' said Charles, who was close to tears, ''how could you possibly justify cold-blooded murder?''
Henry lit a cigarette. “I prefer to think of it,” he had said, “as redistribution of matter.”
Charles isn’t possessive. Francis framing him that way is purely due to his own denial of his abuse. When Francis attempted to kiss Camilla, she was drunk… A direct mirror of how he’d been assaulted by him already.
And in the later half of the book, Charles ‘’true colours’’ aren’t suddenly getting highlighted, he’s just reached his breaking point.
His mental break wasn't because Camilla pulled away, but because of the overwhelming guilt the murder left him with. Charles had consistently attempted to prevent that murder.
During the ravine scene, he’s the one asking to go home. And when that does not work, he says he’s hungry, because he’s desperate for an excuse to leave that won’t provoke anyone.
At every opportunity, Charles concerns are swiped under the rug and left to collect dust. Who’s forced to be complicit in a murder? Who’s then used for his soft-hearted nature to consol said murdered persons distraught family members?
Like Bunny knew Henry had been planning on murdering him, Charles had known too: Now what did both react with? Fear hidden beneath aggression; Charles never brought that gun because he was mad with jealousy, he brought it because he'd finally buckled under the pressure.
The Truth: Their History & Relationship
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What gets pushed aside, is that the twins are orphans. This is due to Richard, who assumed others had stepped in to fill the gaps that the loss of their parents would’ve created…
Well in reality, their parents died violently in a car accident. Their old-fashioned religious grandparents, who hadn’t expected to fill the role of parents again, had a societal expectation to raise the twins.
No matter how that is framed, it is traumatic for all parties involved.
The twins would’ve had no one in a world where you’re expected to get on and move on in the face of tragedy. This meant when Charles was sexually assaulted by a paster, he had no one to speak to or support him through it—Except Camilla.
Oh what? Ah yes, he was assaulted. How do I know this? Well Bunny, who Tartt establishes as being a reliable source to reveal others secrets. He’s the budgie squawking in warning as the group descends closer and closer into madness, and once he was silenced, they were already doomed.
Bunny is a lot smarter than we give him credit for. We’re misdirected in the beginning that he hadn’t know about the murder. It was an accident that he kept picking… But no, he knew the group likely had killed someone as soon as they’d walked in covered in blood.
That is all to say, when he stopped lying for the group [read more about that here. Seriously, he hates that group so much apart from Henry and Richard.] He specifically began discussing sexual scenarios to do with the church when it came to Charles.
It is in my belief Charles was assaulted, and his trauma response had been to become intimate with his own sister. Do I think it originally was consensual? What, no?! Fuck no. They were both children and didn’t know what was happening to either of them.
I doubt Charles realised what he was doing was wrong, and even as he grew older, he still hadn’t. Camilla however, had broken.
As for the "your fucking my sister" scene... Charles assumed it was to get back at him. Once again, it wasn't possessiveness.
Camilla Has A Perspective
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Camilla is co-dependent on Charles, but that is because she's been left with no other choice. Hampton isn't where rich prestigious students go, but the failing destitute youth who have nowhere else to turn. It's why Julian is a teacher there, it's all under the table and hush hush.
Further proof the twins were abused/isolated is the simple fact their Julian's students. He only goes for the insecure who will take in whatever he spews. (Wouldn't surprise me if he regretted taking Bunny on as a student due to that, so took Richard on to give Bunny the eventual boot.)
That's all to say, Camilla is bound to Charles and their poverty. Which meant she couldn't move out. She was trapped with Charles, and up until Henry hadn't had someone she trusted to turn to.
She reflected Henry in that sense, who hadn't had friends and was trapped with his abuser too. Her relationship with him would've been the first she had with anyone without sex being expected.
Once Charles alcoholism reached its peak, and Camilla couldn’t fathom why, she’d rejected him. Remember the broken mirror and glass in the fireplace? That likely had happened because she’d said no.
Camilla had loved Charles, it's why despite trying to get away from him she still worried so much about him (And not Henry, who clearly had been devastated and had cried over Julian's absence—No instead she asked about Charles.) But a trauma bond can only go so far, and Charles had begun to use her as an outlet to an extent she couldn't bear.
So, she lied.
Henry as I’ve discussed, is an abuse victim. So she’d faked physical wounds on herself, and asked for his help. Now, why couldn’t she have just said she was being assaulted? Because no one cared. The whole class knew, and when Richard found out, Francis and himself lamented how they were jealous and wished they had a sister to abuse too. Even Bunny brushed of the act as simple deviancy on the twins part.
When she asked Richard why he didn't believe her, she was frustrated. Which came off as "I want attention, believe me. I want things my way" but really was "when will it ever be enough?"
Richard knew Camilla was lying, it was all in how she diverted the conversation and refused to be direct. All in that moment, as the sun shun on her just as it had in Julians classroom, his belief he could be loved through being caressed by her light, shattered.
Final Thoughts & My Fairwell
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Camilla was trapped in an environment she couldn't escape from, and Charles was powerless to help her because he was the glass in her morning coffee. She did care about her brother, but too much had happened between the two of them for their relationship to be able to thrive again.
I know on the first read through it's devastating that they are strangers to one another now, but truly it was for the best.
Now, onto my final notes.
To be honest, the topic of incest was a poor choice for this book. It’s clear on reflection that it was there to create more depth, and to showcase how evil Richard is. But the audience doesn’t pick up on it, I’ve seen takes comparing it to things the Greeks/Greek gods have done and it’s grim.
At the same time, I understand you can’t control your audience. I’ve made many pieces of art only for them to be entirely misunderstood due to my own shortcomings. As an artist, you can’t guess what your readers will take away, and this book admittedly is old so has lost some of its historical contexts.
On the other hand, as a writer you can depict bad people whilst showing their perspectives are wrong. So, I’m not fully letting Donna Tartt of the hook for that one.
For those of you who’ve been reading my long (and old, wow so old-) posts, thank you. I see your likes, I see your reblogs, and I genuinely am grateful so many of you on Tumblr have taken the time to read my posts. Originally, I only wrote them because I was gathering my own thoughts—which I still do—and hadn’t expected any feedback whatsoever.
This community, although has offered many horrors, has given me so much confidence. I’m dyslexic, and never thought I’d be able to write as well as I do now. These posts have helped me with my disabilities so much, and I’m so glad I decided to be silly and write an insane theory about Richard actually being the one to push Bunny, and a bigger thought peace on proof that the Moutian Lion theory is indeed true.
I’m not ditching this account or anything, my posts just won’t be about TSH, but other media such as comics, tv shows, other books… You get the gist.
Sorry this post is rambly, I had to cut down a lot and got too exhausted past a certain point, hopefully my points aren't too hard to follow. Once again, thank you all for reading. Have a good one o7
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mmarkschwartz · 3 days
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So Henry and Julian
Oh.
Among the ancient Greeks, relationships between an adult man and a young man were considered the norm, including Achilles and Patroclus, Zeus and Ganymede, and many others
I think that although Henry was somewhat older than the ancient Greek youths, he and Julian had a similar relationship. A student and a mentor who are also lovers. Although julian was most likely attracted to henry, for henry, it seems to me that this relationship was a tribute to antiquity. Again aesthetics, Hellenes and no love
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PART 4
reading 'the secret history' by donna tartt for the first time, here are my thoughts after reading through chapter 4:
[CONTAINS SPOILERS] obviously
— holy hell
— THAT'S why richard thought bunny singing 'the farmer in the dell' would have "chilled them to the bone," i though it was just like a food-chain, plotting to kill bunny thing but no they killed a man in the countryside
— at first i was debating on whether it was murder or a suicide pact cause of the "if we'd actually gone"
— also i don't know,,,, whether julian is doing it on purpose or not (and i suspect he IS doing it at least somewhat on purpose) he is definitely putting ideas in their heads
— "cultic purity" yeah no shit
— richard is obessed with speculating over people's sexualities and relationships
— like that page+ where he speculated about henry being bunny's sugar daddy?????
— "so it's a sex ritual? what did y'all do then?"
— good lord richard
— "charles saw him in commons having a grilled cheese sandwich and a milk shake. that did it."
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springs-hurts · 3 days
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Lmao I just remembered, just before starting The secret history, I saw a Pinterest post and read that part where (I think it was-) Francis who kissed Richard (was it Charles? Or Francis? Not sure) anyway, I read that part and I mistook him for Henry (FOR SOME FUCKING REASON 😭) and this dumb girl thought Richard and Henry kissed and I waited the whole book to see it😭😭 like that has to be one of THE most embarrassing thing I've ever done.
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whimsifae · 6 months
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