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somehow-a-human · 1 day

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Moonlight Serenade & Good Omens &... Lost...?

DO NOT ASK NEIL ABOUT FAN THEORY.

First off: I am a certified former band kid. I've been playing the trumpet for 17 years. I did marching band in high school & college, I served pep band march madness basketball realness, I'm a bona fide concert hall bitch, and I considered becoming a professional musician.

Because of this, the music of good omens is something I have been ACTIVELY avoiding! The risks of hyperfixating and spiraling into it are HIGH!!! I spent so much of my life deeply entrenched in music, all genres, all time periods & It's hard not to have a proclivity toward it. But I also expect it to be a huge topic and a deep hole to inevitably fall into.

But could I hold out forever? no. and something finally pushed me over the edge. Wait for it..... Lost. Yep. The fucking TV show Lost. WAIT WAIT, don't leave! STAY WITH ME!

Why Lost? And what does it have to do with Moonlight Serenade and WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH GOOD OMENS?! Well my lovelies continue under the cut with me and keep an open mind...

Okay so... Lost. Yes, the insane 2004 mystery plane crash island adventure drama. It's a wild ride, and a masterpiece and a little bit crazy, but overall pretty damn good. I've been on a rewatch spree and wouldn't you know it... parallels between lost and Good Omens kept popping up in my brain!! I mean they are both detailed intricate mysteries so it makes a tad bit of sense but there was one little detail that *might* be a *clue* so I figured I'd make a post cause why not? I promise you don't need to know anything about Lost to follow this!!

First off, what are some of the recurring themes of Lost the TV show you might ask?

Life & Death

Timelines & Time Travel

Literary Allusions (Catch-22, The Bible, A Tale of Two Cities)

Prophecies & Premonitions

Symbolism of Black & White

Yeah okay, that tracks, but look there are 121 episodes of Lost and 12 episodes (so far) of Good Omens so there's bound to be some overlap for these two ineffable mysteries.

You'll be thinking about now, "BUT WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH MOONLIGHT SERENADE?!" I'm getting there, shhh, lemme pet your hair gently and keep giving you background information to build it up shhhh...

If you've never seen Lost there is a very good chance you're mighty confused at this moment, so let me reassure you, you don't need to know anything about it to understand the connections I'm going to make. A brief synopsis is: Oceanic flight 815 crashes on an island. The plane crash survivors quickly discover the island is more than it seems to be and holds many secrets and mysteries. A lot of people die, most of them are murdered, it's giving Lord of the Flies. That's honestly all you need to know.

Time Travel & Alternate Timelines

Time travel is cannon in Lost. It's super confusing and I'm not even going to try to explain any of it here. It's honestly just not worth it. If you'd like to try and read about it, the abridged version is here, but I don't think the details are important. Just know it's real and confirmed and exists.

Okay so, In Lost season 2, episode 13 "The Long Con" two of the plane crash survivors are trying to find a signal on a radio they've found. While scrubbing they come across a signal playing Moonlight Serenade by Glenn Miller. One character mentions it must be from somewhere nearby, but the other counters that this type of radio can pick up signals from anywhere in the world. There is a beat and then another character jokingly adds "Or any time. Just kidding, dude."

It's later confirmed that the Lost characters in 2004 are indeed picking up a radio signal from 1940 that is playing Moonlight Serenade, a product of time travel.

Congratulations, you've made it to the point where I'm going to bring Good Omens into the mix. In season 2, episode 4 "The Hitchhiker" we open seeing Aziraphale driving back from Edinburgh late at night/early morning. Uncomfortable with the darkness and silence he asks the Bentley to "play something that's got a bit of swing? I'm in the mood for something modern."

The Bentley obliges the angel, as she always will, and we are shown a shot of the radio specifically lighting up, so we know she's tapped into the radio to play this for Azi.

But hold on. Aziraphale asked for "modern"? Moonlight Serenade is most certainly not modern. It was recorded in 1939! I'd say in 2023 it's anything but modern, maybe not in Aziraphale's long lived opinion, but certainly in the Bentley's opinion, given she's only a 97 year old car.

I think you can see now what I'm saying here. I think the Bentley picked up a radio signal from 1940, maybe 1941? Episode 4 is of course our 1941 blitz magic show bullet catch flashback extravaganza, so... it makes sense. I know we like to headcanon Crowley and Aziraphale listened to A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square in the bookshop in 1941 after the bullet catch, but what if they heard Moonlight Serenade on a radio instead?

What does it mean?

I think it could be a *clue*. A reference to this small moment from Lost and a nod to the first hint of the canonization of time travel in that series. We know Crowley can control time to some extent and we can see some evidence of time discontinuities and possibly time weirdness in season 2 so is it a hint that timeline funkiness IS happening? Do I want to get into the fact that the main character in The Hitchhiker, the Twilight Zone episode this episode is named after, is actually dead? No I don't, not now anyway.

SO! There it is... weird little connection that I couldn't get out of my brain. It just seemed a bit too... ineffable.

As always this is all for fun and all for fans! Don't ask Neil about these things, they're for us to have fun with. And something else that I don't think some people on here understand about meta-analysis; the goal of it is not to be correct. Refuting peoples posts, theories, analysis, and headcanons because you personally don't agree with them doesn't achieve anything. Meta-analysis is an exercise in critical thinking and creative writing. You could write meta about how Spongebob is a critique of the loss of christian values in modern society and you wouldn't be right or wrong, you'd just certainly be a person who wrote that for sure though. Just, be kind to each other, share ideas, you're allowed to disagree with someone's ideas or have different ones of your own but don't be cruel in saying so, don't call someone stupid, that's just silly.

Love you all, do something kind for yourself today <3

ps. The moment I see Michael Sheen with blonde hair come January I'm gonna bark like a dog, that's all. Thanks.

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lookingatacupoftea · 2 days

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Hive mind, I need help. I'm sure we've talked about this before, but my brain is spinning on it tonight. As always, Occam's razor says that the face value interpretation is the most likely option. But, if we entertain something more unusual (please don't tag or ask Neil about fan theories) --

What is really happening in the lightning scene?

GIF by fuckyeahgoodomens

Here are my issues:

Crowley has big feelings, yes, and he's never very careful about hiding his otherness from humans. But this is such a flashy move to make in public!*

The writing is a bit clunky. Good Omens characters rarely tell us or each other directly how they're feeling, which is how we end up arguing over lines like "You go too fast for me" and "I forgive you." But here he straight up tells us he's angry.

The lightning only hits the coffee shop, no other buildings on the street.

During the lightning, some people on the street appear to be frozen but not everyone*, and Maggie and Nina aren't frozen. Afterward, the crowd walks on, unphased.

The sky brightens back to daytime and Crowley walks on. He does not go to the Bentley. We see the Bentley through the coffee shop window for the rest of the scene where Nina and Maggie discuss being locked in. But the next time we see Crowley, it's dark and the Bentley is parked in the mews.

What I'm suggesting here is that this scene is faked. Crowley is acting, and overacting a bit. To what end?

*These could cancel each other out. Let's say Crowley is genuinely losing his temper, but not enough so that he forgets he needs to momentarily hypnotize humans in the vicinity so they don't see this display. But it doesn't work on everyone because some people on Whickber Street are actually demonic/angelic spies on the hunt for Gabriel.

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bwlkins · 3 days

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Ineffables watch each other calming the angelic-demonic crowd down.

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sonkitty · 1 day

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Crowley S2 Hair Post #32

(For reference: The Sideburns Scheme)

Crowley, Good Omens 2, Episode 2, The Clue, lonely

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Hairstyle Notes

This style is the shorter, more fluffy and curly style found at the start of the episode though it has some variance within the scene, depending on the camera angle. Much like the space in the starting scene for the minisode, no humans are around. I have looked and cannot find any human-built or human-inhabited structures around either.

Instead of a large supernatural fireball during most of the scene, there is a large, natural body of water.

There are no goats or other visible animals, but there are plants and rocks.

So, again, this space is like an open, younger Earth.

The camera shots closer to Crowley from a front view have a lighter red. Crowley's right side of his head is not as fluffy compared to other angles. The camera shots closer with a view from where Aziraphale is show a darker red and a stronger fluff on the right side of Crowley's head.

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Earthly Objects

(For reference: Earthly Objects)

The main earthly object of the scene is the rock being used as a seat. So, the touches are mainly self-clothing or self-skin-contact touches during or between using the seat.

Crowley's first line is a question, "Go where?"

Paying attention to the pockets...

Crowley briefly makes a pocket involving his left thumb and robe when saying, "and your neat white..."

Otherwise, the main pocket of the scene is the closing shot that shows both Crowley's and Aziraphale's back on the rock. It's reminiscent of when they sit on benches together later, chronologically, in season 1.

The structure also helps ensure no one's back is to the seat since there is none. As a reminder, Aziraphale is the character shown many times to be avoiding a back to the seat.

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Story Commentary

As noted back in the post about the minisode's first scene, this one is more serious. The music is solemn.

The information we have about how angels fall is limited.

From what I have pieced together from the show, I understand it as the following:

There was a rebellion led by Lucifer that Crowley was a part of. As punishment for losing, the angels in that rebellion became demons. For Crowley, that involved doing a million-light-year freestyle dive into a pool of boiling sulphur. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that happened to the rest, based on lines from Hastur and Dagon in season 1.

The demons were forever changed and became vulnerable to holy water. It's not clear if all of the demons have an associated animal, but the ones we get to know by name do.

That's the main Fall referred to for most demons.

However, angels could still fall and become demons after that point. It doesn't seem like something that happens often, but it happens often enough to be mentioned with lines like Crowley saying asking questions was all it took to be a demon in the old days.

Gabriel has not truly fallen in the season 2 present day. He has left Heaven, and Hell is looking for him, but he found refuge in the bookshop with Aziraphale. Most supernatural beings cannot recognize Gabriel as Gabriel, due to the amnesia and/or the miracle performed to hide him.

This scene here at the close of episode 2 starts with Aziraphale deeply troubled he has become a fallen angel because of his actions in lying to other angels for Job's family. He says to Crowley, "I'm like you now." It's true that Aziraphale doesn't want to be a demon, and it's true that season 1 showed us Crowley doesn't like being a demon. Still, a demon is what Crowley is, and the wording is other-ing him.

Crowley finds this laughable at first, I assume based on how deeply his transformation affected him and what the experience actually entailed.

Nonetheless, Aziraphale is still scared and troubled, so Crowley eases up and stops laughing about it. By this point in the conversation, he's already said he won't take Aziraphale to Hell because he doesn't think Aziraphale would like it. Now, he adds that so long as neither of them tell anyone, nothing has to change.

So, Aziraphale doesn't fall.

The exchange shows Crowley considering what Aziraphale himself would have wanted. He didn't ask, but the assumption was correct.

We receive the third of the three lines by Crowley associating a demon with lying as Crowley says, "I'm a demon. I lied." These word are verbatim from the second one. The words are literally the same but contextually different. In this case, their meaning as an admittance of a lie to oneself, Crowley denying loneliness in choosing his own side.

That meets a Rule of Three within the story and thus, probably, the Earthly Objects game. It closes out the whole minisode and episode too, as part of the back bookend/pocket to both.

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That's it for this post. Sometimes I edit my posts, FYI.

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Main post:

The Sideburns Scheme

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crowleys-hips · 6 months

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ok i know everyone's analyzed the shit out of the Job minisode. but i think everyone has overlooked this Very Important detail, and it's this:

do you see it?

golden kermit collar

thank you for listening

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inafever · 10 months

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Oh my god I've been so stupid

GIVE ME COFFEE OR GIVE ME DEATH

It was an outright goddamn death threat

You either take the coffee, or take the death

Metatron you nasty little piece of shit

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hoarder-of-dragons · 6 months

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[Season 2 summed up]

Aziraphale's thoughts: Oh I shall team up with Crowley and make Nina and Maggie fall in love and make them confess. Oh what if I also confess then. I need to prepare everything to set the scene.

Still Aziraphale's thoughts: Ooohh a ball with dancing and tiny snacks to make it fancy and it will be like a Jane Austen novel coming to life and then I will ask Crowley to dance and all our problems will go away as I stare into his eyes....

Crowley's thoughts: Keep Aziraphale safe Keep Aziraphale safe Keep Aziraphale safe Keep Aziraphale safe FUCK YOU GABRIEL Keep Aziraphale safe Keep Aziraphale safe Keep Aziraphale safe PLEASE HOLD MY HAND AZIRAPHALE Keep Aziraphale safe JANE AUSTEN WAS AN AUTHOUR?!?! Keep Aziraphale safe-

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sighed-the-snake · 7 months

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Wait a minute. Wait a minute. This line hits differently after S2.

You two?

The Antichrist KNOWS ALL ABOUT THEM?

What did he do for them that he told them so confidently not to worry about their future? What did he change while he was in God Mode editing reality? WHAT DID ADAM DO?

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youryurigoddess · 25 days

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Imagine the amount of Good Omens relationship drama that could have been avoided with Aziraphale conducting one simple Google search and finding undeniable proof that Crowley is interested in him.

Crowley rubs his chin while watching Aziraphale, walks in a suspiciously undulating way, circles around his angel protectively, pushes and nudges him.

The biting part though? Remains to be seen.

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writingdinosaur · 9 months

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I don’t think we talk enough about how the head demons used to be Crowley’s friend group up in Heaven. I really desperately want to know more about “Lucifer and the guys.” I want to know about him piggybacking around with Furfur and how he and Beelzebub used to tell scary stories to cherubs.

I want to know what happened after The Fall. Did they drift apart slowly? Did it start before that? Did it happen all at once? Did he tell them he never wanted this? When did the people he once thought to be his friends start dragging him down to Hell for punishment? When did Lucifer begin to terrify him? When did Beelzebub? Were Hastur and Ligur a part of that group? When did they decide he wasn’t worth trusting? When did he start to dread the next time they would meet? Did the loneliness set in gradually or did he realize with a start that he was all alone?

The more I think about the differences between the Crowley that we know and the Angel we met in the season 2 opener, the more tragic it becomes. They used to be his friends.

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microclown · 9 months

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Been thinking more about this scene because like..

It's clearly an "Oh" moment

But how tf am I supposed to believe that Crowley, who we all know has been feeling love for Aziraphale since the garden of Eden And has spent thousands of years living amongst humans, engaging in their customs, watching their movies, listening to their music never identified "oh! this feeling is kind of similar to human love"

But like... it would be so Crowley to just think it was a singular experience. To just be so swept up in the enormity of his emotions, and to believe he is the only being that's ever felt this way. Why would he ever think to link it to it to humanity? it probably feels much bigger than that, humans could never understand. and if this feeling truly started on the wall in Eden, he wouldn't have had the human context to frame it with yet anyway It's not until Nina reframes it for him that he's like "oh, shit"

"It was just love this whole time"

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siriusly-the-best-bi · 10 months

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guys the kiss was so important especially from a narrative and storytelling perspective because it was literally Crowley taking everything that's happened between them, every unsaid intention and every unspoken promise, and making it physical.

He's taking their arrangement and every other bullshit excuse they've ever used to hide how they feel about each other and throwing them out the window to put their feelings into an undeniable physical action that holds a lot of meaning to humans in order to be absolutely sure that Aziraphale knows exactly what he means when he says "we could have been Us." He wants to be absolutely sure that there are no misunderstandings between them and know that Azirphale will be committing to this decision with absolute reassurance that he's been understood and rejected anyway.

he's taking a human action with so much meaning and so much importance, and he's using it as a way to desperately make Aziraphale completely and undeniably aware of what he's stating. No more charades and no more lies or cover-ups. There's no denying this thing between them now, and Crowley did it the human way. Because he and Aziraphale love humanity and it's everything to them in their own ways.

There's a reason we saw a kiss between Crowley and Aziraphale, and not Gabriel and Beelzebub, despite them both being undeniable foils.

and really if you just think about that isn't it so god damned beautiful?

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byleranalysis · 10 months

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Both the opening scene and “Every” share a small theme/musical melody that creates a deep emotion context to the pairs inner feelings.

Listen below to how the notes ascend and descend:

Pre-Fall Crowley’s still has an angelic choir, a holy radiance and innocence we haven’t heard associated with him before. The theme sweeps into a bright major as he laughs at the joy of his hard work and the birth of something bright and new.

However, Crowley making a nebula fills him with the same joy as a kiss with Aziraphale. The melody plays in dramatic strings that cry out with a smaller choir which slowly drags away. A melodic interpretation of the fallen angel. Yet, the music falls to minor after the initial hope of the kiss. Sadder. Slowly falling apart.

This isn’t a birth of something new like his joyful nebula, but potentially a loss.

In conclusion: Season 2 is actively slowly killing me. David Arnold went insane this season.

More GO Analyses:

- The Metatron is a Parallel to Original Sin/the Serpent of Eden

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bwlkins · 3 months

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Together?

Aziraphale's desire to be together is so strong it hurts

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sonkitty · 1 day

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The Sideburns Scheme - Episode 2 Links List

(For reference: The Sideburns Scheme)

This post is to help avoid worrying about putting 100+ links in the main post linked above.

Episode 2: The Clue

Post #17 (permit)

Post #18 (meeting with Shax in the car)

Post #19 (the pub)

Post #20 (crossing street from pub to bookshop)

Post #21 (your boss)

Post #22 (so were the goats)

Post #23 (blameless goats)

Post #24 (quite sure)

Post #25 (a blue one)

Post #26 (my side)

Post #27 (God talks to Job)

Post #28 (shoemaker)

Post #29 (Introducing the Tied Hands)

Post #30 (Mr. Six Espressos in a Big Cup)

Post #31 (technically)

Post #32 (lonely)

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Crowley’s Sideburns & what do they mean?

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idliketobeatree · 2 months

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The lighting in the S1 1941 flashback is so painfully dark I was rewatching it on a 150% brightness and perhaps I am five years late, but how come I've never noticed that this

is how Aziraphale gazes at Crowley before the "little demonic miracle of my own"???

This is him before the love realisation, just after Aziraphale miracled them both safe from the bomb exploding on the church with the Nazis. No heartwarming acts of service yet — best to his knowledge, Crowley was only there for moral support, because he "didn't want him to get embarassed". And his gaze is— I don't know what to say. Like it would kill him to look away. So fond, so immersed, "oh God, there you are", like hundreds of years have passed, not decades since they saw each other last. Books? What books? What air raid, what war?

Arguably the best part of the scene happens literal seconds after. If you pay close attention to the whole shot, you'll spot the brown satchel on the side. Which Aziraphale would notice earlier too, if he could focus on anything other than Crowley.

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