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imperiuswrecked · 5 months

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pssst can i please ask you to spoiler the raven baby reveal to me...?

So the summary of X-Men Blue: Origins (2023) Mystique is wandering around New York acting crazy and mumbling about her lost baby, Kurt catches up with her and tries to talk her into calming down.

Kurt gives Raven his sword which breaks the mental barriers and it's revealed that while Raven was married to Baron Wagner, she and Irene were an on again, off again, couple who would hook up with other people whenever it helped their goals.

Raven had hired Irene to be the housemaid so she could stay close while Raven was married to Wagner, using his money/influence as they wanted and having a torrid love affair with Irene in private. Azazel shows up and Irene encouraged Raven to have an affair with him as well, because she had visions of the future.

Basically Irene wanted a love child with Raven, but needed Azazel to believe he was the father because she knew that unless Kurt was set on a path to be his constant foe/destroyer of his plans then Azazel would rise to power.

Irene's visions aren't something she can stop and she lives her life according to how to bring about her visions but she doesn't tell Raven any of this until 5 years after Kurt's birth. So she and Raven have a child, Kurt, and from my understanding of the reading, Mystique can copy the genes down to a molecular level and took the gene patterns from Azazel and Baron Wagner and impregnated Irene. So Kurt doesn't have 2 parents, he has 4, well 5 including Margali Szardos who was his adopted mom. Kurt is now battling for the #1 spot for "most parents and most confusing parental origin in comics" and he's up against the Maximoff twins who have gone through 3 sets of parents.

Back to the story, Raven dumps Azazel who is such a pathetic loser, I love that lol. Raven fakes being pregnant by shapeshifting to look like she is pregnant as the months go by. Baron Wagner discovers his wife's affairs, and being the homophobe he is, is stabbed by Raven who then spends the next few months switching between forms to make people believe that the Baron and his wife are both still around, waiting until Irene gives birth. I'm guessing because Raven intended to use the Baron's money/pretending to be him so she and Irene could live in comfort or until they wanted to move on.

Irene is the one who gives birth to Kurt, and Raven overcome with joy/love for Kurt doesn't want his first sight of her to be human so she reveals herself.

The townspeople are of course in an uproar, want to kill the demon woman and her demon child, Irene tells Raven to get to safety and that she would be ok, but Raven fears for Irene so she leaves Kurt under a tree and rushes back to kill the people who would hurt her wife and discovers Irene is missing, she runs back to find Kurt and he's gone too.

Five years pass and she finds Irene again, this time watching a young Rogue, Irene reveals everything to Raven, the Azazel vision, Irene needed Kurt to be raised as an outcast etc. Raven and Irene both know they are in a toxic relationship, but they love each other too much so they went to the one man who can make everything worse, Charles Xavier. Of course Xavier does what he does best, erases people's memories and implants new ones.

So now Kurt has 2 deadbeat mutant moms, 1 deadbeat demonic mutant father, 1 dead human father, and 1 adopted mother and they all give him the most drama & trauma that you will ever see in comics! Love wins (?)

I am currently taking donations to hire Kurt a therapist (who isn't Professor X), save an elf's sanity and donate /jk

I will say that this origin, though very messy, does at least confirm that Irene is just as messy/toxic as Raven, so I hope they continue to be totally bad for each other and 100% in love, which is very refreshing to see in wlw couples and I really hope they do not try to soften their edges, especially Raven's, I do not want a "good mother Raven", but time will tell. Also finally Kurt is Baron Wagner's son technically due to partially copied genetics so it finally makes sense for why Kurt has the Wagner last name, which is something that always bugged me, because imo if he had zero connection to the Baron then he wouldn't have the Wagner last name. Also this doesn't invalidate the Azazel retcon from before because again technically Azazel believes Kurt is his son, and Kurt does have partially copied genetics from Azazel.

I think it was a really tough balancing act to have to write, I wish it could have been written a bit better or the thoughts of Rogue actually being Irene/Raven's daughter would have worked better. Like imagine if Raven and Irene were both pregnant, Irene had Rogue and Raven had Nightcrawler or Irene had them both as twins, then they wouldn't just be foster/adopted siblings but also bio siblings, and it could have opened up the door for more stories involving them as brother and sister trying to deal with their mothers. Marvel constantly ignores the potential for Rogue and Kurt's sibling dynamic and I wish we got more of it in the comics. I get that the writer was trying to keep to the old canon while creating the new canon and using the original plan for Kurt's parentage, so while I feel it's way too complicated this is also comics where complicated plots and retcons have been a long standing tradition meant to torment us readers.

#kurt wagner #nightcrawler #mystique #raven darkholme #irene adler #destiny #baron wagner #darkholme family #rogue #azazel #imp answers #wednesday spoilers #x men

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racefortheironthrone · 2 months

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I have come to realize, I don't quite understand what a back-up story is? Like, do some comic issues just sometimes have too much space for the main story so they include another, smaller comic at the back?

No, it's usually the reverse: the creators have a story they like, but that's too short to make up a full comic, so they attach it as a bonus feature after the A-story.

To me, the acme of how to do backup stories are Chris Claremont's Classic X-Men. In an era before trade paperback and omnibus collections were common, in an era before there were digital comics libraries where you could access the entire back catalogue of entire companies on demand, Classic X-Men reprinted everything from the Roy Thomas/Neal Adams Silver Age through to the big hits of the first hundred or so issues of the Claremont run with edited captions and dialogue and interstitial panels and pages of new art.

However, Chris Claremont wasn't satisfied with tinkering around the edges, so the first 44 issues of Classic X-Men included backup stories by him and Ann Nocenti. These short (usually ~8 page) stories included a lot of "deleted scenes" - so you get to see how things that are alluded to but not shown in the main narrative, like the beginning of Logan and Jean's attraction in the immediate wake of Giant-Size #1, or Emma Frost's Hellfire Club scheming against Jason Wyngarde or Selene during the Dark Phoenix Saga, or Jean Grey wrestling with what it means to be the Phoenix with the help of Storm and Misty Knight, or why Nightcrawler stopped using his image inducer and came out of the closet as a mutant, etc. These scenes "danced between the raindrops" of canon, where they added richness and flavor to the main story without being essential reading.

But more and more, Claremont and Nocenti used these backup stories to fill out backstories through "period pieces." It is in these stories that we see Max Eisenhardt escape Auschwitz and tragically lose his daughter Anya, or go from being a Nazi hunter in South America to a mutant separatist terrorist when he learns the truth about Operation Paperclip. It is in these stories that we see Jean Grey's psychic powers awaken when she experiences the tragic death of her childhood friend Annie Richardson from inside Annie's mind, and how that shaped her understanding of life and death and what it means to be a mutant.

I would argue that these stories are essential reading, because they're often where Claremont (and Nocenti) found the emotional core of his characters, the motivational drives that make them who they are.

Alternatively, backup stories are where creators could take advantage of free "real estate" in anthology books, team-up books, and annuals to tell more fantastical and imaginative B-stories that wouldn't have fit within an overarching narrative. So we get weird stuff like Margali Szardos casting her adopted son Kurt Wagner into the literal Inferno of Dante Alighieri, or straight-edge Harlan County miner's son Sam Guthrie romantically abducted by an intergalactic cat burglar who also happens to be a cockney Joan Jett, and so on.

And that's what I like about backup stories - they're like miniature paintings, where the artists get to stretch their creative muscles free of the burden and pressure of the magnum opus.

#comics #comics meta #xmen #xmen meta #claremont run #chris claremont #ann nocenti

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setokaibapetty · 10 months

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5 + 1 Fic Friday Roundup: Adoption

It's still family month apparently so have some fics where either legal adoption or just taking absorbing someone into the family without paperwork takes place.

The Business of Family (AO3) - Oswald Copplepot aka The Penguin (from the Batman comics) takes in the Fenton siblings (from Danny Phantom) since adopting kids worked to improve Bruce Wayne's rep, why not his?

Empty Vessels, Gravel Roads (AO3) - "The Winchester brothers come to Gotham. Really, how could Dean say no to a hunt in his childhood hero’s hometown? But an easy case gets complicated when they run into our favorite zombie-Robin fresh from the grave."

Another Brother (FF) - "There weren't supposed to be any survivors, but Chief Hakoda couldn't bring himself to kill the Fire Nation boy. Against his better judgment, he brought him home. A Zuko joins the Water Tribe story."

Greater Love Hath No Man (AO3) - "Twenty years after the Clave brings the Circle's members back into their ranks after Valentine's death, an infant warlock is left on the steps of the New York Institute. Alec Lightwood will blow up the ground he stands on for those he loves."

Odin's Son, Tyr's Son (AO3) - "This whole thing sprang from a prompt wherein someone [Tyr] saw Loki being mistreated, myth-style, and stepped in to stop it."

Bonus: The Demon of Gotham (AO3) wherein Kurt Wagner is taken in by Jason Todd after some unexpected dimesion travel.

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samasmith23 · 1 year

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Mystique and the Theories of Relativity

A little over half a year ago, I marathoned the entirety of both the 90s X-Men crossover event, Age of Apocalypse, as well as its direct prequel Legionquest in giant-sized hardcover format. One issue from the Legionquest omnibus in particular which greatly stood out to me was Theories of Relativity from X-Men Unlimited (1993) #4 by Scott Lobdell & Richard Bennett, due to how it heavily fleshes out one my personal favorite supervillain in comics, Raven Darkhölme, aka Mystique!

Although the 4-part Wolverine: Get Mystique arc by Jason Aaron & Ron Garney’s still stands as my personal favorite Mystique storyline, Theories of Relativity is easily a very close contender! If you want to hear more about my praise for Get Mystique, here's a link to the essay "The dualistic rivalry of Wolverine & Mystique" which I posted here a few weeks ago:

Theories of Relativity is quite notable in that it not only reveals for the first time in-continuity that the X-Men member Nightcrawler (aka, Kurt Wagner) is indeed the biological son of Mystique, but it also showcases the long-awaited family reunion between Mystique and Kurt along with the latter's adopted sister/fellow X-Man Rogue (aka, Anna Marie), and half-brother/anti-mutant bigot Graydon Creed. The issue's plot centers around Nightcrawler & Rogue investigating the assassination of a US general who sold weapons to the anti-mutant hate-group "the Friends of Humanity" and its leader Graydon Creed. They soon discover that Mystique killed the general in order to send a message that she's out for Graydon Creed’s blood after he hired his father Sabretooth (aka, Victor Creed) to assassinate Raven in a previous miniseries. Nightcrawler & Rogue are then cryptically sent to the latter's old Mississippi hometown where she was adopted by Mystique. However, the two are then intercepted by Creed who reveals that he is not only Nightcrawler's step-brother, but that they are both Mystique's biological sons. She had abandoned Creed when she discovered that he was not born as a mutant, and she threw an infant Nightcrawler off a waterfall whilst fleeing from an angry mob that perceived them both to be demons (Nightcrawler's was born with his blue-fur, while Mystique accidentally reverted back to her true appearance due to the pain of childbirth).

While X-Men Unlimited #4 is not a perfect issue by any means since some aspects like Mystique's foresight about Nightcrawler & Rogue specifically showing up to prevent her from killing Creed felt rather contrived, overall this was an emotionally powerful narrative which shines a spotlight on one of my favorite characters in not just the X-Men franchise, but in comic books as a whole!

Theories of Relativity effectively illustrates what makes Mystique such a complex and multilayered villain! True to her nature as a shapeshifter, Mystique is a woman of contradictions. On the one hand she's perfectly willing to sacrifice the lives of other people if it either means preserving her own life, or if said-person fails to fulfill her own agendas. But on the other hand Raven is portrayed as being capable of showing genuine love and affection towards individuals that she see parts of herself reflected in.

This dichotomy is most effectively demonstrated through the contrasting relationships between her two biological sons and her adoptive daughter. While Mystique expresses zero regrets regarding her cold mistreatment and abandonment of Graydon Creed & Nightcrawler, she conversely shows legitimate love towards an abandoned and orphaned Rogue, with Raven stating that she could relate to Rogue’s inability to physically touch others due to her own history of utilizing her shape-shifting powers to prevent others from touching her. Raven even goes as far as to claim states that both Rogue and her then-late wife Destiny (aka, Irene Adler) were the only people she ever felt genuine feelings for.

These conflicting aspects of Mystique’s personality are elements of the character which have always made her such a nuanced and compelling villain to me. Elements which have carried over into the modern era, such as with Wolverine: Get Mystique emphasizing Raven's duplicity and willingness to unashamedly sacrifice others in order to fulfill her own interests, while it’s direct prequel X-Men: Messiah Complex emphasized said-villainous traits as simultaneously being derived from Mystique's selective love for individuals like Rogue & Destiny.

In a broad sense, one could interpret Mystique’s hardened exterior and boastful pride of seemingly only caring about for herself as yet just another contradictory facade. A metaphorical form of shape-shifting that Raven's developed over the past century she's been alive for as a self-preservation mechanism which allows her to prevent others from hurting her, consequently hiding elements of her true self from the rest of the world in the process.

This is an interpretation which Theories of Relativity supports through its climax, wherein Mystique surprisingly sacrifices herself so that Rogue can save Nightcrawler from death despite referring to her son as "unwanted" earlier in the issue. Yet another contradiction in Mystique's facade, one which heavily reminded me of the plot twist from the Wolverine Goes To Hell storyline wherein Raven betrayed the Red Right Hand after helping them banish Logan's soul to Hell upon discovering the organization's plans to manipulate Wolverine into unknowingly slaughtering his own children. And Raven did this simply out of respect Logan's friendship for her then-deceased son Nightcrawler, putting aside her own selfish hatred for the sake of someone she genuinely loved.

Overall, X-Men Unlimited #4 is a prime testament to what makes Mystique one of my all-time favorite comic book villains. Additionally, there's a lot of fascinating queer themes which the reader can derive from this issue. These can include themes found-family through Rogue & Mystique's relationship, as well as Graydon Creed's status as a normal human who hates his two mutant parents being reflective of real-life instances of familial rejection occurring between cis-het adults and their queer parents.

The latter example is a theme which transgender YouTuber Vera Wylde from Council of Geeks mentioned in her brilliant "Mystique - Queer Icon!" video:

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Plus, the issue also contains some truly hilarious scenes like Mystique shape-shifting into Abraham Lincoln whilst calling out the U.S. general's dishonesty before assassinating him!

And as a fun bit of trivia, I love how the dust-jacket of the Legionquest Omnibus which reprints this issue also refers to Destiny being as Mystique's "lover," even though this story came out in the 90s before it was confirmed that the two were a lesbian couple!

But yeah, overall, Lobdell & Bennett's work on X-Men Unlimited #4 definitely ranks highly among the quintessential Mystique stories IMO!

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spongebobafettywap · 8 months

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I'm gonna preface this by saying I'm neither a hardcore Nightcrawler or Mystique fan but as a longtime X-Men reader my main question is : Why does Marvel keep going back to retcon/rewrite Kurt Wagner's origins (especially after 20 years too man, I mean come on) like there's something wrong with who the bio parents he never/barely spent time with are (and in many realities never even finds out about) yet they still keep his first canon love interest (and the girl he constantly goes back to when she barges back into his life again) his own (adoptive) sister??

Ain't gonna tell me they can't finally split up Jimaine Szardos from Amanda Sefton now after they did it for Betsy Braddock and Kwanon in 2019

Don't care about who this elf's parents are or should be, if Marvel still went back to have him date the sister he was raised with since birth in 2014 (less than 10 years ago tf) like it was the most normal shit these people got no standards or priorities cuz that was and will always be fucked up and weird especially when there's nobody acknowledging it in either the writers room or character cast

Excellent point anon. They focus so much on his parental origin even though he rarely interacts with Mystique and actually seems to interact with Azazel more as one of his own rogues.

But yeah apparently Mystique and Azazel being both his parents are the problem not you know Jimaine Szardos and Amanda Sefton being the same person. Yeah that's fine his foster sister being his love interest isn't a stupid storyline element at all that should be iron clad canon and never changed at all ever.

#Maz answers #Nightcrawler #I think its because most people dont even know who Amanda Sefton is

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bamfdaddio · 1 year

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X-Men Abridged 1985: Adventures in Asgard

The X-Men, those Asgardian mutants that have sworn to protect a world that hates and fears them, are a cultural juggernaut with a long, tangled history. Want to unravel this tapestry? Then read the Abridged X-Men!

(X-Men & Alpha Flight 1 - 2, New Mutants Annual ‘85, Uncanny X-Men ‘85 ) - by Chris Claremont and Paul Smith, Bob Wiacek, Arthur Adams

Yes, you see that correctly. That little falcon has a teeny-tiny mohawk on its tiny-teeny bird head, because comics are ridiculous. (New Mutants Annual ‘85)

You know what would really spice up the X-Men? To let them visit the most boring part of the Marvel Universe: Asgard!

As said before, for the Uncanny X-Men, 1985 has been a disjointed year. This was not helped by a sort of interlocking plotline that spread throughout one limited series and two annuals, all of them tied together by the presence of Loki. So that’s what we’re doing: we’re going to cover the reason why Loki takes a special interest in our merry mutants (Alpha Flight & X-Men Limited Series 1 and 2) and what happens when they are whisked away to Asgard. (New Mutants Annual ‘85 and Uncanny X-Men Annual ‘85.)

If you’re super-duper not into the Thor-part of the Marvel Universe, you can skip this one. All we really need to know, continuity-wise, is that Danielle Moonstar somehow becomes a Valkyrie and adopts a pegasus. If you’re not deterred, well…

Because this storyline deals with three superteams, the cast is absolutely huge. Hold onto your butts!

The Uncanny X-Men:

Cyclops: Scott Summers, red eyebeams. Currently on sabbatical to enjoy married life with his wife. Enjoy him while you can, because there will be massive character derailment coming up soon.

Madelyne Pryor. Cyclops’ wife. Bears an uncanny resemblance to his deceased girlfriend, Jean Grey, but I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

Storm: Ororo Munroe, currently depowered. Is on a spiritual journey to find herself.

Wolverine: Logan. Clawed ball of anger.

Colossus: Piotr Rasputin. Russian tin man. Cuddly communist.

Nightcrawler: Kurt Wagner. Fuzzy demonic elf. Bae.

Shadowcat: Kitty Pryde. Phasing powers. The one teenager on the adult squad.

Rogue. Former villain, current flying brick. Steals powers and memories with a touch. Also bae.

Rachel Summers. Jean and Scott’s child from a future-that-never-was. Has yet to tell him this. Telepath. A little dramatic, even for an X-Man.

Professor Xavier. Telepath with boundary issues. The original dreamer and mentor to the X-Men and the New Mutants.

The New Mutants:

Psyche: Danielle Moonstar. Cheyenne, illusionist. About to have her backstory needlessly complicated.

Cannonball: Sam Guthrie. Human… well, you can figure that out. Good old boy.

Sunspot: Roberto daCosta. Fiery ball of anger.

Wolfsbane: Rahne Sinclair. Scottish werewolf who hates her human side and loves her wolf side.

Magma: Amara Aquila. Lava girl from not-so-Ancient-Rome.

Magik. Illyana Rasputin. Teleporter, demonic sorcerer and ruler of an infernal dimension. Has the most impressive resumé out of these young ones, also Colossus’ younger sister.

Cypher. Douglas Ramsey. Innate linguist. Cutie, perhaps not suited for the life of a superhero, but is just so very excited.

Warlock. Robot alien that can change shape. Pacifist born to a warrior race. Class clown.

Karma. Xi’an Coy Manh. Telepath that got possessed by a villain for a good long time, recently returned to the fold.

Alpha Flight:

Shaman: Michael Twoyoungmen. Chirurg turned sorcerer. V. man of science/man of faith.

Snowbird: Narya. Canadian half-goddess. Cool as fuck.

Heather McNeil: wife of the late Vindicator (ugh!), soon to be the next Vindicator. Leads Alpha Flight despite being human.

Puck: Eugene Judd. Tiny rubber ball man.

Sasquatch: Walter Langkowski. Canadian werebeast who loves his human side and Aurora’s human side.

Aurora. Mutant. Superspeed and supersparkle powers with her twin. Has a ‘split personality’, as written by someone who has no idea what that means. One side of her has access to her mutant powers and is fun, outgoing and flirty; the other is an introverted school teacher. The latter hates the former.

Northstar. Twin of the above. Superquebecois. Still kind of stuck in the closet, in a time where even the existence of the closet was vehemently denied.

Talisman. Elizabeth Twoyoungmen. Daughter of; magical conduit.

THEY UPPED THE LIMIT FOR PICTURES I CAN HAVE MORE THAN TEN PICTURES?!?

Madelyne and Scott are flying a crew of scientists over Canada, since Scott is trying his hand at being a regular non-X-Man person. They’re caught in a freak storm that Scott recognizes, because when you hang around Storm for long enough, you become a bit of a meteorologist yourself.

While I have full faith in Madelyne as a pilot, I'm still not sure it's wise to make Scott your co-pilot, since those ruby quartz glasses mean he’s essentially colour blind. (X-Men and Alpha Flight 1)

Half a continent away, the mayday is received by the X-Men. It causes Rachel to go haywire, because what if her dad dies and she never told him that she’s actually daughter? (There is actually an easy solution to that, but whatever.) Due diligence is for dummies, so she immediately goes on the attack.

Just as Snowbird arrives in the Alpha Flight headquarters to deliver some Grave Tidings©, Rachel arrives and easily mops the floor with Snowbird, Shaman and Heather, wife of the recently deceased Guardian/Vindicator. (A character I only know to be an asshole. Northstar tends to hate him, so I will do so too.) Aurora tries to turn the tide but…

Either Claremont wrote Rachel to be a grade A bitch here, or he has no idea how to write DID. Or both. Either way, not a great look for either of them. (X-Men and Alpha Flight 1)

Like Legion, Aurora has an interesting (if problematic) history in regards to her disorder and mental health. Unlike Legion, who has been allowed to flourish as a character since his inception and whose autism evolved together with our society’s understanding of it, Aurora tends to be defined almost solely by her dissociative identity disorder, which doctors these days aren’t sure even exists. While her history of abuse in a Catholic orphanage rings painfully real, the way her character tends to be portrayed as a vehicle for DID and little else is a disservice to such a promising character. (Read more here.) I’m glad that these days, she’s getting some love and agency in X-Factor and Marauders. (Even though I don’t understand one iota of the current Marauders run, but what the hey.)

Anyway, while I don’t love what Rachel is doing to Aurora here, I do feel that her mopping the floor with half of Alpha Flight is correct. Rogue swoops in after her to clean up the stragglers and she deals with Northstar by kissing him.

Hmmm. I wonder what secrets she possibly could have plucked from his head?

Anyway, after Rachel has calmed down, Shaman explains he had nothing to do with the freak storm and Xavier has been a hypocrite, the groups decide to join forces and find Scott, Madelyne and the missing crew. Let’s go, telepathy!

We then cut to Loki petitioning some shady old gods for power. However, in order to win their boon, he must give humanity a gift. A proper gift, freely given and willingly accepted. Hmmmm…

The X-Men and Alpha Flight fly off to a desolate mountain range – Kurt gets to wear a dashing hat! Jean-Paul and Rogue scout ahead and bond, which is my favorite character beat in this story. The two biggest misfits of these teams, it makes sense that they would be able to relate.

If only this had not been a case of Incompatible Orientation, perhaps some other French-speaking outcast mutant could have stolen Rogue’s heart. (X-Men and Alpha Flight 1)

In a field that is way too verdant for how high up they are, they stumble into a mysterious castle where they are greeted by Scott. He tells them everything is better than fine. They’re forced to believe him, because they can look him straight in his baby-blues! Scott is cured and can control his eyebeams!

See, all humans on board of the aircraft got imbued with super powers! Madelyne got transformed into Anodyne, and another into Cornucopia, capable of creating food, and others into evocative names like Lord of the Plants and Pathfinder. Madelyne immediately sets to work, curing Puck.

I don´t know if Madelyne´s powers made her taller or if she always was the size of a baby giraffe, but damn. Goblyn Queen got legs. (X-Men and Alpha Flight 1)

Madelyne also cures Rogue, although it’s a little unclear if her mutant powers are removed or if she can just control them. In any case, what follows is another cute moment between Jean-Paul and Rogue, where he willingly offers himself up as a guinea-pig for her to test her lack of powers on. She knows how much of a sacrifice that is for him, potentially opening up like that, and yet he follows through anyway.

It's adorable and I wonder if there´s such a thing as shipping but for friends, because I’m hardcore shipping Rogue/Northstar right about now.

Xavier pulls his usual bullshit when he reveals publicly that he senses another mind in Madelyne, forcing her to admit that she’s pregnant. (Boundaries, of course, only apply to people other than Professor X. God, sometimes you just want to bash him in his spherical head.)

Don’t run away, Rachel! This is the perfect soap opera-esque moment to scream out that you are the daughter they will never have! (X-Men and Alpha Flight 1)

Did… did the eighties really have leg warmers that came up all the way to your thighs?

While Kitty and Talisman follow Rachel after her self-imposed time-out, a powerless Heather takes a little dip in the magical fountain and gains powers (the aforementioned Pathfinder). At the same time, Shaman’s magical pouch gravely injures its owner, seemingly turning against him. What is going on?

Talisman and Kitty follow Rachel and discover an ancient Viking village hidden underneath the tundra. There, they try to talk the redheaded stepchild from the ledge: Rachel is out of her wits, realizing that her father getting a boy means that she will never exist. Kitty points out the inherent paradox in that statement, but then the village starts to collapse. They flee, but Kitty deduces someone is trying to hide something from her. She’s beginning to doubt this utopia.

When they return, they bear witness to Madelyne burning out Wolverine’s berserker rage. Kitty points out that she wouldn’t have survived Ogun without Logan’s berserker side, which is a fair point. (When does it stop being a cure and start being a catch-all for everything in the world you don’t like? Also, I bet she’s aching to get her hands on Aurora…) Kitty then presses that Wolverine go check on Snowbird, who is withering away. Wolverine, who is besties with Narya (who wouldn’t be? She’s arguably the best member of Alpha Flight), thinks that it isn’t a coincidence that both Shaman and Snowbird – magical creatures – are affected. Maybe there’s something rotten in paradise, after all.

Rogue, on the other hand, is enjoying the fuck out of it.

I don’t blame you, Rogue. I would also pick the haughty Quebecois over any of the other bozos on this trip. (Kurt’s the sole exemption, but you two are sort of related.) (X-Men and Alpha Flight 2)

Wolverine crashes the party and reveals that this utopia has a steep price: the extinguishing of all magic and their magical friends. (Which is an odd way to describe Snowbird, but in some ways, you could view her as a magical woodland creature. In any case.) The group splits down the middle, with most X-Men taking the stance that an utopia can’t be bought in blood and and most Alpha Flighters agreeing that the ends justify the means. (Yes, they are the worst.) Interestingly, Rogue, Cyclops and Northstar side with the X-Men, while Colossus, Rachel and Madelyne side with the Alphans.

You’d think this rift would maybe amount to something, but it’s quickly under rug swept. Sad. They could have done a Superhero Exchange Program and swapped Colossus in for Northstar.

Anyway, the obligatory fight erupts, until a few of the people on the Alphans side realize they’ve also been rendered creatively sterile. (The cook-turned-Cornucopia can’t think of new recipes, the architect-turned-Master Builder can’t dream up new buildings, etc.) That’s when Loki appears, all: “nbd, you’ll be as gods!” When the superpowered humans disagree – killing all magic is fine, but they draw the line at being robbed of their imagination – Loki gets angry and tries to force these ungrateful wretches to accept his gift.

That doesn’t go well for him.

They Who Live Above: “Swear you won’t harm these people! Swear on the dad you hate!” Loki: “...kay.” (X-Men and Alpha Flight 2)

Loki reverses everything, because Status-Quo is quite literally God, and Madelyne is stripped of her powers and Rogue and Cyclops are back to being not in control of their powers again. Also, Rachel still doesn’t tell Cyclops he’s actually her dad, so Loki’s new vendetta against the X-Men is literally the only thing of consequence in this godawful crossover.

Well, other than Kurt’s snazzy hat. (X-Men and Alpha Flight 1)

Loki’s vendetta carries us through to the New Mutants Annual, where the Lord of Lies is admiring Ororo through a mystical TiVo. He wonders what she would do to get her powers back and orders the Enchantress to fetch him Ororo.

After rescuing Karma from being possessed by the Shadow King, Ororo and the New Mutants end up on a Greek island to take a deserved holiday. While all of the New Mutants are hanging out on the beach, Karma is hiding out inside, afraid to face the world. Not only does she have to deal with all the evil things the Shadow King did while using her body, she also has to deal with the way the Shadow King abused her body.

While it’s not the tac I would’ve chosen, you could do a worse “reason to live” than spite. (New Mutants Special ‘85)

There’s an opportunity here for a storyline, one where Karma either has to work hard to go back to where she was or has to work hard to accept her new self. How cool would it be to have a fat superhero in a comic populated by people with idealized bodies? That’s not what we’ll be getting: instead, Karma will be shedding the extra pounds quicker than she did the Shadow King: I think it’s gone before the end of the issue.

Not begrudging anyone their body, thin or thick, but I do resent the implication that she was only fat because she was possessed by evil.

Anyway, all the skinny New Mutants are at the beach and Warlock is trying on bathing suits for size.

Warlock is reenacting that video where the model dresses in swimwear through the ages, going from the swimsuits of the 30’s to the oversized shorts of the 90’s to (hopefully) the men’s swimwear of 2023. (New Mutants Special ‘85)

Then, a cloud of darkness whisks them away to Asgard! Loki gives Ororo an avian makeover while he scatters the New Mutants, who go off on their own little side quests. Seriously, check them out, it’s like a DM took a chance on a Random Make-Your-Own-Adventure table.

Magik gets chained to a rock while the Enchantress, Loki’s sexy crony, tries to tempt out her wicked side.

Karma gets stuck in a desert and saves a kid from a Shai-Hulud. Apparently, a grueling trek through an inhospitable landscape is just the regimen she needed, because this is how she gets skinny again (fully off-panel).

Cypher becomes a serf in a mead hall. Next!

Wolfsbane falls in love with a wolf prince but then runs away from him, afraid of her feelings. It’s very furry avant la lettre.

Warlock breaks out of Hel and goes off to find his friends.

Roberto becomes embroiled in a bar inn brawl and is then hired as a glorified security guard. He’s treated as a big strong hero and is not-so-secretly loving it.

Magma is adopted by the fae, who get her drunk on their mead. This turns her into a pointy-eared fae as well. Whoops!

Cannonball saves a wench from dwarves and gets promptly adopted by them. His last name does not become Ironfoundersson.

Danielle saves a pegasus, rolls a natural twenty on her Wild Empathy check and adopts it. She names it Brightwind, not understanding that mounting her My Little Pony means she’s become a Valkyrie. Whoops!

Never figured that Danielle Moonstar, of all people, would become a horse girl. (New Mutants Special ‘85)

Loki orders the dwarves to make him a new hammer for a new thunder god. He’s barely gone before they start gossipping, saying his new falcon familiar is an enchanted one. Sam quickly deduces that it had to be Storm, because of the interesting colouring of the falcon’s feathers. (Not the MOHAWK? dafuqyousay)

The Enchantress manages to distill Magik’s Darkchylde out of Illyana and sends her out into Asgard. Evilyanna manages to recruit Wolfsbane, Sunspot and a fae-corrupted Magma, while Warlock (the only one who’s got his eyes on the plot) saves Doug and picks up Karma, Dani and Sam. The group then finally reunites and Karma makes quick work of the Enchantress’ hold on Illyana. In retribution, Magik sends a manacled Enchantress to Limbo as a gift to S’ym. (S’ym is not to harm her, which sidesteps some unfortunate implications. Phew!)

Sam cautions them to get the X-Men, but since they all have unfinished business on Asgard and want to screw things up for themselves, the New Mutants decide to save Ororo all on their own! Claremont thinks differently, however, deciding to add yet another team to this already bloated cast.

See, apparently, Kitty and Illyana now have a psychic link, despite neither of them being telepathically inclined. Kitty dreams of Asgard and sees a Thorified Storm fighting the Darkchylde, because apparently this connection is interdimensional! This is enough to convince the X-Men to go to Asgard and save the New Mutants! And they will travel to this otherworldly realm using the magical thunderbolts that some C-lister villain left behind three annuals ago!

Yeah, Claremont is definitely taking a few narrative shortcuts here. But who cares! It’s time to suit up!

This is about the least subtle DUN DUN DUN I’ve ever seen, and I watch daytime soap operas. Oh, Maddie. (X-Men Annual ‘85)

While I get that the Phoenix makes for a cool style guide, Rachel, you’re kind of dressing as the thing that killed Cyclops’ wife. And even if he’s not on the team, you’re also kind of dressed as the thing that killed Wolverine and Colossus’ friend, so…

Like I said, narrative shortcuts.

Also, we’re at the point where Rachel told the X-Men Cyclops is her dad, but not Cyclops himself. Cyclops, on the other hand, suspects but is unwilling to ask. ffs

In the grand style of villains everywhere, Loki reveals his masterplan to his pet bird: he plans to groom her as the new God of Thunder, replacing Thor and making him the ruler of Asgard! Evil! Feminist, but evil. He also reveals Storm is under his magical thrall: for example, he is turning her desire to get her powers back against her. Meanwhile, the New Mutants are following Loki until he suddenly shoots them down! (It doesn’t help that they’re riding in Warlock, who’s transformed in an airplane, which are decidedly not native to Asgard.) Once again, the New Mutants are split up. Most importantly, Douglas and Warlock are separated from the rest and they use that opportunity to have sex for the first time.

There is (once again) no heterosexual explanation for this. (X-Men Annual ‘85)

The X-Men, meanwhile, save the wolf prince that’s simply smitten with Rahne from some trolls. As Hela comes to collect the souls of the trolls, she commends Phoenix for being the new, well, Phoenix! (Which is perhaps a clue that your choice is slightly problematic.) The wolf admits to tracking Rahne and the X-Men follow him until they run into the City of Asgard. Here, they split up: Kitty, Rachel and Wolverine infiltrate the city while Rogue, Nightcrawler and Cyclops follow the wolf. But first… Rogue gets them some outfits, so they can blend in.

I’m assuming Rogue raided either a temple or a brothel. (X-Men Annual ‘85)

In the City, these three reunite with Roberto, who does not want to go home. He is blinded by the glory of being a beloved hero in Asgard, plus he’s on the outs with his parents, especially his dad. Wolverine’s pep-talk is interrupted by aggressive rock trolls and though they emerge victorious from this battle – thanks in part because of the melded Douglas/Warlock – Wolverine ends up horribly poisoned! Oh no! (This was before Wolverine’s healing factor gave him basic immortality, so there’s actual stakes.)

The other three chase the wolf and run into Rahne, Karma and Illyana, just as she’s doing a locator spell on Loki. (My God, this recap would be six times shorters if all these people just fucking stuck together in cohesive groups.) Loki plays a reverse Uno, using Magik’s spell to teleport to them and, together with an enthralled Storm, he captures them all.

Dani, meanwhile, sees a death omen around Wolverine and finally realizes she’s a Valkyrie. Don’t look a winged horse in the mouth, etc.

Loki throws a banquet to commemorate the deification of Storm! That’s when the X-Men and the New Mutants attack! (All of them! Some are disguised as Vikings; the others just escaped from Loki’s cell.) Despite the X-Men trying to stop her, Storm still grabs Loki’s big hammer.

Fair’s fair, this would have been a great way for Claremont to give Storm her powers back. Besides, this look is dope enough to warrant a shift in status-quo. (X-Men Annual ‘85)

Wolverine begs Storm to see reason, but then he keels over due to the poison. Hel, always a professional, appears, comes to claim Logan’s soul. This causes Storm to snap out of her enthrallment and together with Phoenix, Cyclops, Dani and Dani’s new sisters, they chase off Hel and Wolverine survives.

Kitty, meanwhile, indulges in her favourite hobby: shouting at people in authority. She tells Loki off, informing him that he can’t hope to stop them all. What’s worse, they’ll spread the truth about Loki’s perfidy throughout Asgard – which, if my Norse mythology serves me well, they should already be aware of, but whatever – which will endanger his plans of Asgardian domination.

Loki, who’s finally had enough of this storyline – as have I – relents and gives them one rule: either they all go, or none of them go. And they have to forfeit everything they got in this land, including Rahne’s wolf lover (aw!) and Amara’s elf form (yay!). In order to prevent this storyline from being completely useless, Karma keeps her physique and Dani keeps her new horse. Yeah, even Loki doesn’t give a fuck anymore about the rules he established two panels ago.

He offers Storm godhood one last time and this time, at her full wits, she denies him again. She’d love to fly again, but not at the expense of helping Loki. (It’s a nice narrative trick, because at this point, the audience is also rooting for Storm to get her powers back and this would be the perfect way to do so.)

Loki falls in love with Storm because she tells him no, presumably providing some keen insight into the hearts of men both mortal and divine, and then clicks his heels three times to send them home. They disappear and this finally, finally, ends Loki’s interest in our merry mutants.

DONE!

Fine, two more highlights. Here’s Warlock saving the day as the Enterprise:

And here’s Warlock, proving he’s watched more Star Trek than Vikings:

My God, this plotline dragged on so long, it took me a year to write this.

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bothsidesofaquestion · 5 months

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If you could develop your own canon storyline with Kurt, what would it be and why? How would you want it to affect the character going forward in terms of his legacy in Marvel Comics?

And also: GIVE US YOUR BAMF HEADCANONS.

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::ooc:: I don't think I'd change it drastically, mostly his past; probably the circus background cause I've always found it confusing. I need to sit and think of a proper timeline cause you know how Marble is with those and all these countless retcons.

I'd write him pagan, Margali is a witch and she wouldn't hide it from her family, in my head that makes no sense. He certainly would have a little knowledge ( not as much as Margali and Jimaine though ) and obviously, Jimaine is just a sister. I believe she'd try to kick his ass along with Margali after finding out he killed Stefan.

And Stefan's death? He didn't unintentionally kill him (to align it with my main/default verse); it was completely on purpose and that's something that always torments Kurt no matter how justified it is.

Kurt becomes catholic in his late teens and that's thanks to father Wagner (I have a lot to explain about this part of his life tbh) and that's how he adopts that last name. He was previously Kurt Szardos.

Aaaand... I'm going to stop right here cause I'd write pages of what I'd like to do, I've put a a lot of thought over this for decades.

Most of the things I'd change would be to make more sense, I don't really dislike any of Kurt's background besides The Draco and that's mostly because of what Chuck Austen did however... These things are part of him, even his death so, i'd probably just re-write here and there to make it more cohesive and I'd obviously add Raven and Irene.

I've always considered him the underdog despite being a well known loved character and honestly? I like that for him so, I would and want to keep his legacy. He represents something important that other mutants won't and will never because of his physical appeareance.

Now, regading the Bamfs, I do have a few headcanons, I'm linking them here :) [1] & [2] and, I don't mention this often but I have it in my muse page, Kurt is sans bamfs in my main/default verse and I'll aways write him lbamfless unless they're requested so, if someone replies to me and adds/mention the bamfs I'd go along with the flow but I think it's important to mention this, to clear things up cause I'd love for my verses to be acknowledged by my rp partners.

#themckaytriarchy #::munday meme #::ooc for ic meme #::mobile #::long post

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honey-minded-hivemind · 7 months

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The Main 🐉Wings of Fire AU Characters' List: Names, Powers, And Tribe/s

(Everyone gets a new name, so as not to cause confusion between the separate tribe aus, and to let them have their own story special to this main au, plus a small description, to help imagine them as dragons. For this au, I imagine the X-Men Evolution versions of everyone, with a few added elements of the Animated Series😊)

• Charles Xavier/Professor Xavier: NightWing

• Name: Chary

• Description: charcoal gray and faded black scales; silver scales on wings are scattered like dewdrops on a leaf; has a partially paralyzed tail, making flight difficult; has a British-sounding voice; green-gray eyes

• Ororo Munroe/Storm: SeaWing/IceWing hybrid

• Name: Maelstrom

• Description: snowy white and pale dawn blue scales; has IceWing ruffs around head and down back and tail, all as white as the ocean foam; has webbing between talons; has some bioluminescent scales along her face, belly, and tail; cool to the touch like a river stone; diamond blue eyes; Splash's aunt

• Logan Howlett/Wolverine: HiveWing

• Name: Wasp

• Description: lemon and orange scales, zig-zagged with shiny, iridescent green-black stripes; has long wrist stingers, with a toxin that sedates others; warm brown eyes; adoptive group dad; is Yellowjacket's dad, and possibly related to Vespid

• Hank McCoy/Beast: SilkWing

• Name: Heath

• Description: navy blue, peacock, and blue-gray scales; sometimes wears glasses, which wrap around his horns; his wings have some streaks of caramel brown, cream, and maroon; has large talons; deep blue eyes

• Scott Summers/Cyclops: SkyWing

• Name: Cardinal

• Description: crimson and goldfish red-gold scales; descended from a firescales SkyWing; wears red quartz glasses due to being near-blind in bright environments unless properly shading his eyes; has hazel eyes

• Jean Grey/Marvel Girl/Phoenix: LeafWing

• Name: Jasmine

• Description: forest and grass green scales, with reddish-orange wing and sail membranes; has powerful leafspeak; kind; has emerald green eyes

• Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat: NightWing/RainWing hybrid

• Name: Shimmer

• Description: usually has lavender, rose, and misty gray scales; sometimes walks around in camouflage mode; is a vegetarian; the scales under her wings are in the shades of the rainbow instead of completely silver; has pale pink eyes

• Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler: RainWing/SilkWing hybrid

• Name: Kirinia

• Description: sapphire and midnight blue scales; has not yet gone through Metamorphosis; has a prehehnsile tail; has warm yellow eyes; is the son of Majestic; adopted brother to Rootworm

• Anne-Marie/Rogue: HiveWing

• Name: Rootworm

• Description: rust red scales dotted with spots of pale butter yellow, green-gold yellow, and dark black; has deadly toxins in her wing claw-tips and talons; has russet red eyes; has an accent; wears a black choker

• Remy LeBeau/Gambit: LeafWing

• Name: Redwood

• Description: gray-green, bark brown, and tan scales; membranes are a reddish-pink; has a small amount of leafspeak; can influence plants and their fruits to grow, and sometimes make them explode; reddish-pink eyes

• Jubilation Lee/Jubilee: RainWing

• Name: Lemur

• Description: usually goldenrod yellow and rose pink scales; can make a pattern go across her scales that look like fireworks; flares her ruff bright red when angry; bubbly; sunny yellow eyes

• Evan Daniels/Spyke: SeaWing/ 1/4 IceWing

• Name: Splash

• Description: pale lagoon blue-green scales; has a few sharp spines along his back, each a pale greenish-blue; webbed talons; has a few IceWing spikes at the end of his tail; pale green eyes

• Bobby Drake/Iceman: IceWing

• Name: Beluga

• Description: icy white scales with hints of sky blue; shiny; is cold to the touch; has a forked blue tongue; warm personality; has frost blue eyes

• Rahne Sinclair/Wolfsbane: SilkWing

• Name: Regal

• Description: soft brown and clay red scales, with triangles of lime green down her spine, and small freckles of orange across her cheeks; has not gone through Metamorphosis; has acute sense of smell; bright green eyes

• Samuel "Sam" Guthrie/Cannonball: MudWing

• Name: Cashmere

• Description: warm brown and amber scales; scrawny; considers the younger X-Men (the New Mutants) his sibs; red-egg powers; has caramel brown eyes

• Roberto da Costa/Sunspot: SkyWing

• Name: Robin

• Description: vermillion and golden-orange scales; is a firescales; wears as much treasure as he can in human form; fiery golden eyes

• Danielle "Dani" Moonstar/Mirage: SandWing

• Name: Dune

• Description: sandy yellow-brown scales; brown sail; has a dusky black tail barb; wears a pendant necklace; deep brown eyes

• Illyana Rasputin/Magik: IceWing

• Name: Alba

• Description: ice blue scales; sharp horns and spines; bright blue eyes; slightly stand-offish at first; protective of the younger ones; Polar's younger sister

• Piotr Rasputin/Colossus: IceWing

• Name: Polar

• Description: silvery-gray scales, akin to polished metal; large; friendly; loves his friends and family; Alba's older brother

• Laura Kinney/Wolverine 2.0: HiveWing

• Name: Yellowjacket

• Description: tangerine scales with speckles of pollen yellow, swathed in bands of iridescent black; has wrist stingers, that contain a sedative toxin; bright golden-brown eyes; is Wasp's daughter

• Tabitha "Tabby" Smith/Boom-Boom: RainWing

• Name: Boa

• Description: usually in shades of hibiscus and flamingo pink, dappled with banana yellow and cherry red; aims her venom well; loud; has berry red eyes

• Erik Lehnsherr/Magnus/Magneto: IceWing

• Name: Elk

• Description: dark gray scales, with silvery streaks across them, akin to fur; sharp blue eyes; wears a silver helm; father of Penguin and Warbler; possibly once dated/was friends with Chary

• Raven Darkholme/Mystique: RainWing

• Name: Majestic

• Description: usually royal blue and wine red, with a few golden scales; mother of Kirinia, and partially adopted mother of Rootworm; is an expert at changing her scales and positioning her ruff, tail, and spines to appear as dragons from other tribes; bright orange-gold eyes

• Victor Creed/Sabretooth: HiveWing

• Name: Vespid

• Description: pale yellow, amber, and burnt orange scales, with dusty brown and black stripes; sharp, dark amber eyes; sharp claw stingers, each containing a painful toxin; possibly related to Wasp

• Pietro Maximoff/Quicksilver: IceWing/SkyWing hybrid

• Name: Penguin

• Description: cloud white and pale greenish-blue scales; sky blue eyes; has the wings of a SkyWing, but mostly resembles an IceWing; son of Elk; Warbler's twin brother

• Wanda Maximoff/Scarlet Witch: SkyWing/IceWing hybrid

• Name: Warbler

• Description: scarlet and burgundy scales; dark red-brown eyes; resembles a SkyWing mostly; daughter of Elk; Penguin's twin sister

• Lance Alvers/Avalanche: SandWing

• Name: Arid

• Description: tan scales with a diamond pattern, akin to a snake; dusty brown sail; dark black eyes; shiny black tail barb

• Mortymer Tonybee/Todd Tolanksy/Toad: MudWing

• Name: Tadpole

• Description: ochre brown and greenish-yellow scales; small; pale yellow-green eyes; views Blowfish as his sib; uncertain about the others

• Fred "Freddy" Dukes/Blob: SeaWing

• Name: Blowfish

• Description: green-yellow scales, like kelp; giant; eel green webbing and sail; shady green eyes; sees Tadpole as a younger sibling

• St. John Allerdyce/Pyro: SkyWing

• Name: Pyrite

• Description: orange-gold scales; flame orange eyes; skinny; loves to burn things; possible pyromaniac

#honeycomb thoughts #platonic yandere marvel #yandere platonic marvel #platonic yandere xmen #yandere x-men #platonic yandere #platonic yandere x reader #🐉Wings of Fire AU #Main 🐉Wings of Fire AU

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mjrkime · 8 months

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Thanks to the @synapticsim I can have my own AU of X-Men. A whole damn cozy X-Hood where a bunch of mutants, one reformed tyrant and some strange people live in the sleepy suburbia. And where my sim-self is married to Kurt Wagner, ofc.

Consider this a personal heartfelt THANK YOU I wouldn't get the idea to build this personal escape heaven if I didn't stumble upon the forum with all the good stuff during one of my CC shopping sessions.

I've been playing this for a while and there were some hilarious and wholesome events. There were things I couldn't predict but those that fit into the canon vibe of each character, like Kurt being absolutely obsessed about his pet parrot and playing tag with his kids (Yes, one of them is Mystique, because my joke on the source-material keeps on giving) in the middle of the night or Doom being an absolute comic relief with his petty evilness, eventually falling in love and finding joy in his son, or little Anna Marie picking up the immense confident attitude from her adoptive mothers, or McCoy and Ororo being incredibly good friends, informal leaders of the Xavier's Legacy Estate but keeping up the respectful distance and also being patient and nurturing.

This hood is one of those things that warms me up when it comes up in my mind during the days when the horrors of the real world are just too much.

Thank you again, @synapticsim .

I'm not adding any tags to either Sims2 or X-Men because I don't want to)

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Rogue: my dad loves lady gaga

Kurt: your kidding

Rogue:...*shows a video of Tony singing judas*

Kurt:...what happened to your pipes *laughs dodging her swatting*

Rogue: to think captain America adopted your gremlin self

Kurt: because I am cute ja?

Rogue: *signs out hell no*

Kurt: I'm hurt *feigns fainting before he bamf out*

#rogue #anna marie (rogue)#kurt wanger as a child #kurt wagner being adopted #rogue is part of this i love the idea for this #ultron rogue and morgan are siblings #silly headcanons

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soapkaars · 2 years

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What kind of music would each medical malpractice gang member listen to?

This week is easing up on me, so I can finally answer this ask. (Either you sent it twice anon, or there are two people curious about my takes of the medical malpractice gang). I’m not going to make a drawing for it, sorry! I’m busy with several films at work and my own personal project, so I’ve been too tired to draw anything. I hope you don’t mind!

On to music! The first one is dr Gogol. He’s a pretty well developed character so there are actually some clues in the film as to what he likes! After all he doesn’t care much for Stephen Orlac’s piano playing (he was, admittedly, distracted by Yvonne but still), calling it ‘very modern’ in a very weak attempt at hiding his disappointment in Yvonne and clearly not being able to deal. Which means he doesn’t care much for his time’s contemporary music like Schönberg’s atonal music, or the popular references to Jazz you could find in pieces by George Gershwin, or Aaron Copland’s more filmic music like Appalachian Spring… Gogol is old fashioned, though I think his tastes are behind by like, say, thirty to forty years in his time. A bit like those people who only listen to classic Rock even though they weren’t even born when the Beatles were popular. We hear him operate to some soft violin music (we see a nurse put on a record) and of course he plays his organ (atonally when he’s gripped by madness!). If I were to pin him down, I’d say he’s definitely into Romantic music - as in music from the Romantic Era. Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Mahler, Dvorak, Smetana… not Wagner though!

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He likes Grand Guignol, doesn’t he? He’d definitely like this.

Next up: Professor Karl Fenninger. Which isn’t even his real name! Cold, aloof, elegant… what would he like? The complete opposite of Gogol, that’s for certain! Fenninger would absolutely love his age’s contemporary music, and he’d have some pretty clear opinions about which composer he loathed and which one he’d be in line to see a performance! He might even like Stephen Orlac and be heart-broken when he had to retire from his career after that horrific accident! Composers I think Fenninger would definitely like or be interested in: Schönberg, Kurt Weill, Debussy, Satie, Prokofiev, Stravinsky, Shostakovich. He might also have a huge soft spot for Jazz composers such as Duke Ellington, Count Basie, and good old Louis Armstrong! Also he’d positively loathe George Gershwin and Aaron Copland.

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Dr Arthur Lorentz, on the other hand, wouldn’t know a Prokofiev if it came up and punched him in the face. Let alone an Aaron Copland. He’s a country man. Which doesn’t sound too bad until you realise he likes Jimmie Rodgers.

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And finally we have Herman Einstein. What would he like? I'll adopt @medical-malpractice-malewife 's canon that he did cabaret in Germany, so let's roll with that. We're talking Weimar era Jazz. 'Lilli Marlene' (as sung by Marlene Dietrich), 'Mein Berlin'... You know, those soft chanson-like songs sung with nasally voices and the brass going hoompa-pa, those extremely scratchy recordings where the noise is sometimes louder than the music itself. In fact, I think Einstein might also like Chanson, and even Schlagers, though that last one is probably more of a guilty pleasure. He'll sometimes sing those old student songs from back when he was studying at Uni - 'Die Gedänken Sind Frei'. Meeting Johnny might open up his tastes to more American artists though, and if this duo managed to live beyond the 40s and into the 50s, I'm willing to bet he'd be extremely into rock and roll.

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#medical malpractice #mucho texto #music #dr gogol #dr arthur lorentz #professor karl fenninger #herman einstein #mad love #the boogie man will get you #youll find out #arsenic and old lace #musings #peter lorre

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feathered-mushrooms · 2 years

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JeanWanda and my headcannons for the family

For the sake of these headcannons to make somewhat sense, let’s say Jean and Wanda are living together on Kroaka and are planning to get married. Now let’s through the kids of there’s into there for some chaos.

Jean is well aware that Wanda has the twins. She’s even met them on previous occasions albeit in the middle of battles. The same goes with Wanda in regards to Jeans daughter from another dimension Rachel.

However Jean and Wanda made a mistake when they started dating again(the first time being decades ago when the x-men was still new and Wanda was in the brotherhood), they really didn’t tell anyone in fact. The first time Pietro and Scott found out was after a year or so when Wanda moved into Kroaka with Jean.

Eventually the two decided that life is no longer short because of resurrection and that since they have loved each other since they were teens, they might as well try to get married.

And then they realized that before they announce there getting married, maybe people should know they are in a relationship.

They do this with a series of ‘family dinners”, the first being between the ‘parent and sibling dinner’, where they invited Erik, Charles(because he was the best stand in for a father Jean could think of), Pietro, and Lorna. There was a lot of shock on Charles and Erik’s end, yet Pietro and Lorna just rolled there eyes in a sibling way.

The second dinner was ‘X- men found family’, they invited Scott, Logan, Emma, Kurt, Ororo, Kitty, and a few others. Those closest to Jean from the beginning just nodded at the confirmation, Scott for example congratulated Jean and then later that night had a conversation with Wanda about Jean and how to be there for Jean, which ended with them sharing dating stories. Logan just raised his beer. Others who hasn’t know of Wanda and Jeans previous affiliations, very shocked and there was a lot of surprise yelling. Emma brought up that Wanda was still the ‘pretender’, which made the dinner table go silent. That was until Kurt changed the subject.

The third dinner was the ‘Avenger found family’, they invited Steve, Tony, Simon, Vision, Stephen, and Natasha. Vision gave a very sweet congrats, and Simon gave Wanda a big smile. Tony went and got the good wine and Steve sat back and nodded. Natasha just gave Wanda nice slap on the back.

The final dinner was the ‘dreaded kids dinner’.

The twins, Nathan, and Rachel were a little shocked but the twins warmed up to the idea pretty quickly. Billy being a fanboy was very excited to be sitting across of Jean and excited to know he would see her more often. Tommy was just excited that his mom was happy and asked later during the dinner if Jean could be his other mom. Jean turned red and said it was up to him. They have decided to see how things go. Rachel was a little taken aback but she accepted it and thought it was nice that Jean was reaching out. Nathan smiles like his sister, Scott had accidentally slipped up and spoiled the surprise a few nights before on a father, son, day.

(In all honesty I don’t know much about Rachel or Nathan, as much as I would like to, I will have to do more research but as far as I aware this is an accurate response, please correct me if otherwise)

And who knows, now that resurrection is a thing, maybe they could resurrect a mutant baby that died soon after birth, or they could just adopt the regular way. Either way, Wanda deserves to be able to raise an actual child of her own, and Jean deserves to be happy with her wife.

Bonus: TJ Wagner drops in, says hi to Wanda and says she thinks it cool that she has a wife.

Anyway some random thoughts I have thought of the past few days about the girls and there family.

#x men #xmen #xmen comics #marvel #wanda maximoff #jean grey #JeanWanda #WandaJean #tommy shepard #billy kaplan #tommy maximoff #billy maximoff #rachel summers #Nathaniel grey #Headcannon #kroaka

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⟨ chloe bennett. demi woman she/they. 26. ⟩ LOADING FILES … did you know BRUCE BANNER AND DAISY JOHNSON’s child’s name is ANDROMEDA 'ANDY' LILIAN BANNER?! i’ve seen them around town listening to UNSTOPPABLE by GIZZLE! they seem to be quite charismatic, but also reckless, but it makes sense given they are a AGENT at SHIELD. i’d watch out for them, though, official files say they’re a INHUMAN/MUTANT skilled in SUPER HUMAN STRENGTH, GENIUS LEVEL INTELECT, VIBRATION MANIPULATION, AND HAND TO HAND COMBAT. no surprise there ! ⟨ alix, 25, est, she/her, none ⟩

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spongebobafettywap · 8 months

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i see this topic was brought up here and you seem to have spent sometime in the marvel fandom before dropping out so I have to ask you, as someone who's new to online fandoms: were X-Men fans always this worked up over Nightcrawler's origins whenever an element was added or slightly changed...? Like baron Wagner no longer being Nightcrawler's father?

i feel like i'm the only old time fan that never got bothered by something like this happening, even the last one as controversial as it sounds

as of late, I hear a lot about how baron Wagner "represented/was the source of nightcrawler's humanity" and how this part was "fondamental to parallel Kurt with Graydon's character" who was born from two mutants but turned out human (and embraced human supremacy) while Nightcrawler was born from a human and a mutant but turned out mutant (and embraced his mutant self) so "the retcon ruined all that"

... but was this really the case?

objectively, baron Wagner is a non-character: you could have had him be any human with any kind of background and it wouldn't change a thing because he never had a face (X-Men TAS made all his design up) or spoken line to begin with. he didn't even have a firstname before the retcon and his lastname is a direct plothole (how come nightcrawler ended up with the same lastname as a well known aristocrat who died around the same timeframe he was born in and lived not that far from where Margali found him but he never once investigated it...?). his title isn't even consistent: sometimes he's called a baron, sometimes a count. even after finding out he was related to him, Nightcrawler didn't try finding more information on the guy from the people he was managing or looking after. he couldn't care less about this human parent who ended up being a direct victim of this whole situation

i'm all for parallels but Nightcrawler and Graydon aren't archenemies or even directly antagonized each other on the long run: they only ever interacted with each other during the family reveal and then never again! because next thing you know, Mystique goes on to assassinate him. Nightcrawler doesn't ever talk about Graydon or this parallel once. this isn't a deep "Gara vs Naruto" situation in how these characters parallel each other, it's a "乁⁠(⁠ ⁠•⁠_⁠•⁠ ⁠)⁠ㄏthey found out they got that in common that one time and then dropped it"

Nightcrawler's adoptive family is the only element of his origins/backstory that represents and IS the source of his humanity even if they were magic users (let's not talk about what the comics did to them time and time again tho). if it was a case where the baron and the Szardos were a blended family and Kurt was raised by him as his biological son amongst is adoptive siblings then yeah that retcon does ruin a few things... but Nightcrawler never interacted with him... And he never could after the reveal as the baron's first ever mention already had him be dead. Nightcrawler also always believed his biological parents were humans that abandoned him at birth (because of his appearance) like just Graydon did because, like him, the idea that either one or two of them were mutants was far too outlandish: Kurt living his entire life under this assumption (and growing up loving himself to counteract) only to face the fact he was abandoned by a mutant parent at birth because he wasn't enough/wanted due to his appearance still is a far stronger aspect of the reveal than who the parent turned out to be and that wasn't taken away with the retcon

idk, what do you think? am I missing something about this topic?

I joined around the early 2010s there was some discussion on people not liking the Azazel as Kurt's father but it was more from a case of they just disliked the implications of Kurt being a demon. But there wasn't a demand for Destiny to be his biological parent, it was more they hated the origin story's implications. Maybe over time they started to demand the Second Origin story Claremont came up with, I would guess thats the case. I actually remember more people wanting Wolverine's German Sword wielding Mutant buddy Maverick to be Kurt's father which makes way more sense than Destiny. Some people wanted it to be Sabretooth.. which idk I feel like Sabretooth should only really be related to Wolverine if anyone he makes more sense as a member of that family tree. I do suspect some of the reason why they want Destiny to be his parent is some kind of way of trying to "fight against lgbtphobia in comics" but I don't see why Kurt has to be her child for that to work. They could literally demand Rogue be the biological child of Mystique and Destiny and that would actually work in canon because she doesn't really have a clear origin and she is connected to both characters, Kurt BARELY interacts with Destiny as we have discussed many times here haha. But then this does make me wonder how much biological functions can Mystique replicate if she could have a child with a woman biologically? she's not really able to replicate other abilities of characters beyond appearance.

I don't remember anyone caring about Baron Wagner at all, and frankly the idea that Kurt gets his humanity and morality from an absurdly rich German Aristocrat is absolutely hilarious. I'd say it would be more likely he gets his humanity and morality from Mystique. Sure she's a violent extremist but at least at times she actually believed in something and fought for others to live better lives.

So you're right he is a Non Character, but not only that he's not even a character where Kurt would inherit anything decent from if we are going by his lifestyle and position he was born into.

Graydon isn't really used by Marvel as a whole, he's interesting in that he is somehow not a Mutant despite his parents being Sabretooth and Mystique and he's a bigot against Mutants. I think he suffers as a villain because he's a human child of two extremely interesting Mutants, a child of Sabretooth and Mystique makes you think of a very interesting set of powers but he doesn't have any so why even use him when you can use other Human X-men villains?

Personally I would actually have him experience a mutation as a late bloomer but still have him hate Mutants and make him into a Boomerang Bigot. I think that would be interesting as at that point he would be a villain like both of his parents but he would be working against his own kind.

And yeah you're right Kurt got his humanity from being raised by the Szardos and the circus he grew up with, there's no Biological origin of his morality. I mean its pretty clearly laid out in the comics in the AoA timeline where Kurt WAS raised by Mystique and had Sabretooth as a father (though he was implied to be abusive) and in that universe he turns out to be a male Mystique...

I do love Kurt Darkholme because of that distinction and I wish he wasn't killed off as he would be a good alternate version of Kurt to keep around and maybe form a weird brotherly relationship with Main Kurt.

Personally I think it always made more sense to me that Mystique only wanted to abandon Kurt because of how dangerous her lifestyle was not that she didn't want him. In the 90s cartoon it was because she could no longer live that rich lifestyle with the Baron as the child gave away her mutant status but also because she wanted to protect him. I think the abandoning to protect angle always makes more sense than Mystique didn't care. Also she's a shapeshifter so its kind of crazy to me we don't have stories of her monitoring him growing up lol.

#Maz answers #X-men #Nightcrawler

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