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#jack is VERY much like sam earlier on but he's too much like cas to have the same fear responses f;aeifha;ew
shallowseeker · 3 months
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SAM, if I were your brother, I'd have hit you in this episode. Or at the very least put hair-dye in your shampoo!
Ok, so I finally finished re-watching Don't Go Into the Woods, and I noticed that Sam is doing the same thing he did with Claire Novak a little bit!
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So, at the start of the episode, he doesn't even seem all that aware of the stress Jack, Dean, Cas are under. In the previous episode, Peace of Mind, Sam is wrapped up in his own grief and failings, and Cas steps in to mentor him (note Cas also wanted to let Dean get some much-needed sleep).
Here, in Don't Go Into the Woods, Sam starts out gung-ho about the hunt, but by the end of the episode, he's clamped onto his moral-fixation-of-the-moment, inspired by the case-of-the-week, where a Dean-and-Cas coded sheriff has lied to a son to protect him.
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And here's the thing. I's a little bit true, right? Dean is tiptoeing around Jack, chipperly telling him that "his mission is SHOPPING!"
BUT.
Sam's being sanctimonious-Sam here.
Dean's been the one trying to take care of Sam AND Jack when Sam was running everyone ragged by diving into case after case...when Sam was trying to forget about losing the AU hunters.
Now, weeks later, Sam checks back in to trying to be apart of the co-parenting village.
I'm impressed Dean is keeping patience enough to listen to him. I'd have laid on Baby's horn and screamed, probably. Or turned on heavy-metal and let it rattle the windows.
DEAN: So telling the kid--you think that's the best idea? SAM: What? You don't? DEAN: It doesn't make his life any better, you know?
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Oof. Ow.
Dean is so sad.
He knows something is wrong with his kid, but he doesn't know how to fix it. BECAUSE it's not simple.
But Sam? After weeks of being "out of it," Sam has hyper-focused on The Thing (TM) he thinks is gonna fix it.
For Sam, it's simple. Don't lie, and everything else solves itself! :D Talk, and all your problems just melt away.
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DEAN: I took care of it, okay? We took care of it. SAM: No, no Dean. We did not take care of it.
(BRB, hitting Sam with a newspaper.)
Sam is framing this as a "Dean is so controlling" issue, when in fact, it's a part of the larger "Sam is checking out," one.
And hey--we are absolutely sympathetic to Sam checking out, to using hunting to ease his turbulence.
He's not the only character to do so!
However, Sam is a character that tends to check out, come back, and immediately go into sanctimonious LECTURE mode:
SAM (judgily): No, no Dean. We did not take care of it. You did.
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Yeah, Sam. That's kind of the whole friggin' point here!!!
For weeks now, Dean and Cas having been taking trying their darnedest to care of YOU, of Jack, of everything! Dean is even the one who checked in on the phone with your friend ROWENA.
Cas is going the other direction, taking on too much. He's out trying to take care of things ON HIS OWN AS YOU SPEAK. Dean's on the -hold-down-the-fort-homefront, and Cas is on the big-solution-oriented-battlefront.
All Dean does is exhale a little. "Ha..."
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SAM: And do you think you really took care of it the right way?
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Sam. Sammy.
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Anyway, so Dean. He's hit with this...blunt, hamfisted unkindness rom Sam after his Michael-possession and superhuman efforts to take care of everyone, so he scrambles.
DEAN: "Jack said he was fine."
And obviously, Dean knows Jack isn't fine.
HE'S the one that was wanting to give Jack more space and time before hunting, after all. And in the beginning of this ep, Sam wasn't even thinking about Jack's wellbeing at all. It just...hasn't been on his radar. He was the one berating Dean for not wanting to bring Jack along and sassily reminding him that Jack was (via Donatello) "is in the clear."
And so, Sam pushes the lying issue:
SAM: "He's a kid. And when we were kids, how many times did we tell dad we say were fine just to make him happy?"
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Oh.
Like you did earlier this very episode, Sam?
*coughs*
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Sigh.
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In the context of the last few weeks and his cluelessness in the beginning of this episode, wanna know why Sam is using this issues to throw such a bitch-fit?
Because now that Sam's checked into the village parenting club again, he's latching onto something that's easier to control than everything else: words.
Cause Sam's simplifying the whole sitch.
(It's why Sam's boundaries with Jack tend to be "easy-mode" parenting, like his berating Jack's sugary sweets/diet. These are tasks that allow Sam to remain "the good guy in Jack's corner" without doing the "hard-mode" parenting that turns the parent into a Bad Guy.)
And Sam he thinks talking out "the truth" will magically fix Jack's complex issues...ones Sam's been conveniently ignoring for weeks.
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And Dean is being so beautifully understanding about it. Acquiescing and trying things Sam's way.
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Sam slinks in the background at first, letting Dean do the greeting and the talking at first, waiting for his moment to swoop in and provide "sage, Sammy-time advice" That he has no doubt been rehearsing silently in the car.
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And Dean...despite shielding Jack from the truth, is being honest in other emotional ways. He emphasizes how he didn't particularly like the gross parts of the hunt.
[[Remember, in the very beginning of the episode, Sam judgmentally raked Dean over the FUCKIN' COALS for jumping at the sight of the dead body. "How many years you been doing this job, Dean? You're embarrassing me here.")]]
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Enter Sam. Parent mode activated!
God help us.
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DEAN, comically annoyed that Jack didn't get the beer...
....and MAYBE wondering if Sam's bull-in-the-China-shop parenting is going to work right here at this ill-timed moment or not.
The thing is, Sam is right about some aspects of this! It's a good thing to talk to Jack about his powers! Like how Cas needs to talk to Jack about the snake! How Dean needs to stop being so afraid of the truth that he goes into denial mode.
BUT!
At its base, the Sam method tends to chafe.
Jack's been INCREDIBLY defensive lately, something Cas and Dean know well and have clearly talked about with each other freely. In Peace of Mind, they both used the snake to talk to Jack soas not to trigger Jack's defensiveness.
But Sam? Sam's been way outta the loop. And it shows.
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SAM: Jack LISTEN. Dean and I wanted to talk to you about your powers.
And again, I'm not saying Sam's wrong. He's just...unfortunately very Sam about things even when he's right. He's able to occasionally give good advice, like to Mary about AU Bobby!
There's no real...100% wrong stance here.
After all, maybe it would've been better for Jack to come along with them (or maybe it would've gone terribly)?
And Dean may have good intention in wanting to lie to protect his son Jack, but Dean definitely doesn't want his partner to lie to him to spare him pain.
(Or, actually, via the script, that's not quite true. He SIMULTANEOUSLY wants Cas to tell him about the snake, and he DOESN'T want Cas to tell him about the snake. Lol, oh the humanity.)
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ANYHOO. Dean gracefully enters the conversation, trying to be frank but IMHO clearly having misgivings about this approach and timing:
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DEAN: It was crappy of us not to tell you. You know, we were trying to be nice. 'Cause we care about you. But because we care about you, you deserve the truth.
And Jack has a moment of indecision here, clearly thinking about his own lie. Ordinarily, Jack might come clean about how his powers injured someone (and then healed them). But not now. Not with how things have been lately.
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But here...psychologically wounded from consuming Michael's grace, feeling flat inside, feeling guilty and disconnected from everything...he remains quiet.
Not to mention, Sam's up in his face like this:
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Jeebus. No wonder Jack didn't say anything.
Make no mistake, Jack is annoyed by the constant hovering. He says as much in Game Night, but something about this cerebral-scripted-Sam-method IMHO works the least with Jack.
(We see that in Tombstone, too.)
I think Dean realizes that Jack's withdrawing here, that this method, despite it's moral clarity, wasn't entirely effective or successful for getting through to Jack:
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At least with Cas, Jack allowed himself to get mad, to speak freely. (Same with Mary in Game Night. He lets his real emotions show.)
But this? Sam's pushing?
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He shuts down:
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Dean tips his head back, like "Oh crap." Perhaps thinking to himself, HOLY MOLEY THAT DID NOT WORK AT ALL.
He even makes a Cas face about it:
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And the fun part is: Jack knows that Dean knows.
You can see it in the flash of eyes he gives him here. But when Jack looks back to Sam, he does this little "I'm so innocent" act.
And Sam? Sam looks overjoyed because he's a dumbass who missed...everything.
Dean on the other hand...is...more understanding of the fuck-all progress that actually made here. Which is basically none. He swings his arms like, "Whelp. That was useless."
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Sam is like YISSS I HAVE DONE IT I HAVE CONQUERED PARENTING IN ALL MY WISDOM
DEAN (sarcastically): Great. And I guess I'll go get some beer.
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v-cain · 2 years
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"Game Night"
Request: HEYOO! I’m probably annoying you at this point 🤪Buuuut I was wondering if you could do something with Sam and Dean x sibling reader and any other characters (choose your favorites and make it fun if you want :D) and they all have a game night? If not no worries <33
Fandom: Supernatural
A/N: found this in my drafts...sorry @book-place R gender is not specified, buncha swearing
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It wasn't often that you would get a break. It was always stopping one apocalypse, fighting some bad guys, go on a hunt, and maybe get a few hours of sleep along the way. So when opportunity strikes to have a little fun, you're going to take it- hence Game Night.
Game Night was when yourself, Sam, Dean, Jack and Castiel got together and played any board games you could get your hands on. Whether it be 'Sorry!', 'Monopoly', or 'Pictionary', its guaranteed to have a lot of laughs involved. And, of course, a lot of fighting.
"No! You fucking idiot! How does that look like a dog to you?!" Dean yells at his younger brother, who looks ready to run for his life. You're almost in hysterics at this, barely getting a breath in. Castiel is clearly worried this will turn into an actual fight, but is amused nonetheless. Jack pipes up, "Actually, I think it does look like a dog, Dean"
If looks could kill, Jack would very very dead right now. "Ok, ok is it a...hat? A snake hat?" You fall off your chair from laughter, tears streaming down your face. Jacks alarm on his phone goes off, "And that's time!" Dean groans and drags a hand down his face, and exclaims "It was a fucking snail!" Sam shouts in confusion "What?! There's no way that was a snail!" The brothers continue to bicker while you're regaining your breath on the floor.
"Uh, I believe it is mine and Y/n's turn?" Castiel says, catching the groups attention. You prop yourself up and swap places with your older brothers, "So, Cas, who's gonna be drawing?" you grin at him. "I think I'll try to draw." You take a seat and Cas turns the page over, thinking of what to do draw. After a minute or so, he says to start the timer.
Now, in hindsight, maybe you should have insisted that you draw the picture, because Castiel has never needed to draw something before. This was his first time ever drawing, and if you had to guess he learned by looking at the others turns. Basically, you were completely and utterly fucked.
What Castiel was trying to draw was an otter, as he knew it was your favourite animal. He even coloured it in with the brown marker that Jack left on the board!
"..Is it an poop?"
Castiel slowly turned around to stare at you, while Dean starts laughing loudly and Jack giggles from his chair. "No, Y/n, I did not draw a poop." Now Sam is laughing too, almost as much as you were earlier. "Well-I-it's-well?" you stammer. Cas rolls his eyes, "Y/n, this is clearly a drawing of an otter." you groan putting your head in your hands as Jack stands up and shouts "Disqualified for cheating!"
"Aw c'mon man.." you stand up and walk back over to your chair, sitting down like a sad puppy. Castiel looks at you and then back at the drawing, before walking over to you. "If it's any consolation, I do see the resemblance of an poop." he smiles at you.
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castielcommunism · 2 years
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I'm curious... what do you think dean should have said during the trap purgatory apology? Like if you'd been in charge of the show
well the problem is that I think by s15 deans behaviour is totally unforgivable (jack. in the box.) so I would like to take the purgatory prayer scene and imbed it earlier in the show, like in s11/12. post demon dean where sam and cas are just kinda whatever about the whole thing and he’s like oh wow that’s horrifying I need to do better. that also works I think because he seems very motivated to improve himself when mary comes back, so like emotionally it works.
there’s a lot of stuff I like about the prayer scene and I think “I don’t know why I get so angry (…) it just comes out” is good emotional context for Dean as a person & demonstrates emotional awareness about his own behaviour. It doesn’t work in the context of s15 (he gave cas the silent treatment/treated him poorly over the span of weeks(? cant remember timeline) which isn’t really so much anger coming out during a fight but prolonged mistreatment), but that line works in the context of a lot of Dean’s fumbles, which is him lashing out and then being like uhhh I’m sorry I did that I didn’t mean to be an asshole. I also love “and I forgive you, of COURSE I forgive you” because it is both silly (cas doesn’t need to be forgiven lol) and also good (he’s telling cas in his own insane poorly communicated way that no matter what happens between them he will always love cas and want to resolve whatever they’re fighting about).
so like I don’t have a solid answer because I’m genuinely not interested in the last 3 seasons of the show at all and find them very depressing, BUT I think the emotional core of the apology being “hey cas my behaviour is unacceptable and I’m sorry and I hope you forgive me because I care about you a lot” is generally solid and should have just been about that. I like that Dean isn’t great at communicating, especially emotionally, so like in practice I’m fine with the apology being kinda fumbled, i just don’t think it works in s15 because of the context and because again, by that point, it’s kinda too late
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antigonewinchester · 10 months
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15x19
Blessed are the meek, for they shall... inherit the earth.
The ending scene, where Sam and Dean and Jack go up against and defeat Chuck, has a lot of echoes to 5x22: Lucifer killing Cas/Bobby for trying to help Dean > Chuck killing Michael for trying to help Sam & Dean; Lucifer wailing on Dean > Chuck wailing on Sam & Dean; Sam taking back control from Lucifer, taking back ‘his power’ over himself and saving Dean/the world > Jack gaining power from Sam & Dean’s beating and then taking Chuck’s power for himself, although instead of Sam jumping into the Cage into Hell, Jack ascends to Godhood/Heaven, so a much happier end. 
CHUCK: This... This... This is why you're my favorites. You know, for the first time, I have no idea what happens next. Is this where you kill me? I mean, I could never think of an ending where I lose. But this, after everything that I've done to you... to die at the hands of Sam Winchester...  Of Dean Winchester, the ultimate killer... It's kind of glorious. DEAN: Sorry, Chuck. CHUCK: What? What? DEAN: See, that's not who I am. That's not who we are. CHUCK: What kind of an ending is this? SAM (to JACK): His power. You sure it won't come back? JACK: It's not his power anymore. SAM (to CHUCK): Then I think it's the ending where you're just like us and like all the other humans you forgot about. DEAN: It's the ending where you grow old, you get sick, and you just die. SAM: And no one cares. And no one remembers you. You're just forgotten.
There’s a poetic justice, in Chuck misusing his power, never really caring about his creations, and thinking himself above humans, then getting turned into one of those weak, powerless humans himself. But it also makes being human into something of a punishment in a way that feels depressing to me, like it’s humiliating for Chuck to be dragged down to humanity’s level.
Buckner & Ross-Lemming really do go back again & again to the “Dean as a killer” idea, huh. I wonder how much it was them who shifted this theme, because there are elements of it in Kripke/Gamble’s seasons but it’s very much connected to Dean’s abusive upbringing as a child hunter in a way that gets lost / downplayed / minimized as the show goes on. Kind of paired with how hunting isn’t the same in later seasons as it is in earlier ones, too.
JACK: Dean, I'm not coming back home. In a way... I'm already there. DEAN: Where? JACK: Everywhere. SAM: So you are Him. JACK: I'm me. But I know what you mean. SAM: What if we want to see you? You know, or have a beer or whatever? JACK: I'm around. I'll be in every drop of falling rain, every speck of dust that the wind blows, and in the sand, in the rocks, and the sea. DEAN: It's a hell of a time to bail. You got a lot of people counting on you, people with questions. They're gonna need answers. JACK: And those answers will be in each of them. Maybe not today, but... someday.  People don't need to pray to me or to sacrifice to me. They just need to know that I'm already a part of them and to trust in that. I won't be hands on. Chuck put himself in the story. That was his mistake. But I learned from you and my mother and Castiel that... when people have to be their best... they can be. And that's what to believe in. Well... I'm really as close as this. (JACK puts his hand over his heart). Goodbye.
Even knowing the Jack becomes God ending, I can understand why some Jackgirls really don’t like it, and it does feel a bit melancholy to me, although I do think it is intended to be bittersweet. It’s Jack coming into his power, and because he’s a good person, he knows how to use it well--healing Sam & Dean, restoring the world. Even though Jack is in ‘everything,’ there’s still a sense of loss, a separation from him and Sam & Dean. Jack saves the world but loses the chance at a normal life, even if the possibility he could have one was pretty slim. (Or maybe I’m just thinking too much abt how Jack’s ending parallels Dean’s, heh.) I don’t care for the baby!Jack fandom trend, but I think I get where it’s coming from, in giving Jack a normal childhood that he never had and never gets (plus Destiel being dads, usually).
There’s also that Jack very much ends up a Christ figure in the story, with the last 4 eps of the season seeing Jack’s “death,” resurrection, and ascension. ...oh, and that actually gives an interesting spin to 15x17 in Dean denying Jack as family right before trying to lead him to his death, huh.
(Although that makes the optics of Jack as a Christ figure defeating Chuck, this cruel & unforgiving ‘older’ God who was also a character created (and sort of representing) an earlier era of the show led by a Jewish showrunner & many Jewish writers look, uh, Very Not Good. I don’t think it was intended, but yikes...)
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mlobsters · 4 months
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supernatural s13e14 good intentions (w. meredith glynn)
well that was a little bit of the old spn spark for a second there, with the hallucination/vision/whatever hot!zachariah was giving jack. very sweet and sad. something about the sound design and the dialogue.. of the offscreen voices of sam and dean, it had sort of a... theater feel to it? (watching with headphones and maybe a little bit high so, grain of salt) plus just the very... childlike wish fulfillment of kiddo with absent parents.
DEAN You know what? We made it, though. You, me and the kid. Finally under one roof. SAM And you know what, honestly, it doesn’t matter where he’s been. I’m just glad Jack’s back. DEAN Right, home safe. Where he belongs.
like 💔 i didn't realize they really went with this nuclear family thing straight out
also when the fake fire is happening sam and dean sound about as distressed (maybe more?) as you'll ever hear them in this show and that was distressing even knowing it couldn't be real
ZACHARIAH Yes. And not just a single one-way ticket like the prophet’s spell. This boy, he can open a rift big enough to march an army through. He has so much power. We just… have to make him use it. MICHAEL Then make him.
ok but like. why doesn't michael make his own army of nephilim? he's an archangel still right? what am i missing
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i'm sorry donatello but all i can think is
the zachariah!cas sending the images of destroying the environment and wars etc to jack for proof of why humans are bad, reminds me of the fifth element?? i think? leeloo discovering all the bad parts of humanity? and then i think only will save the world? by the power of human love from bruce willis??? lol i've seen that movie a ton but it's been a long ass time
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captions staying on for this screenshot 😂
this random fight scene with these random figures from the bible. and donatello being twitchy and obvious as fuck that he's clearly up to something. demon tablet not to be ingested while soulless and under asmodeus's influence?
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donatello choking out dean from a distance and laughing like a loon, all righty
so now mary gets the catharsis of hearing from an unbiased source that her demon deal is what ultimately saved the world
bro. there's some bizarro music going on during this fight over donatello being soulless what is HAPPENING. jay gruska, is that you? (of course it is). ugh, if only i wasn't committed to keeping that earlier video clip 😞 (fine it's so goofy i'm adding an mp3 of it) it's tonally a mismatch to the vibe onscreen and is just super random. the horns that come in... lol. anyway.
but we're escalating up to cas whatever, trying to torture it out of him?
SAM Our plan, Dean. The spell, get mom back. Donatello’s soul is gone. That’s not just something you come back from. DEAN You did. SAM Yeah, because you convinced Death to get my soul back from the cage, but Amara ate Donatello’s soul. There’s nothing to get back. It’s gone. CASTIEL And Donatello’s already corrupted. I… perhaps the kindest thing to do would be to end his suffering. SAM What? CASTIEL I don’t like it either. But if Donatello’s life ends, then another prophet comes into being and they can finish the translation. DEAN So what, you just wanna kill him? SAM No! No killing! We just need the spell.
interesting how frantic padalecki is going with this. terrified the Plan is being wrecked yet again
CASTIEL I am going to do something that I promised I would never do to a human being without their permission. I’m gonna strip the spell from your mind. DONATELLO You—you—you—you can’t. I—I’ve absorbed too much power. Y-y-you’ll fry us both! CASTIEL I might. DONATELLO Ardeat intus— CASTIEL I’m sorry, but I’m not going to let you or anyone hurt the people I love. Not again.
well then. cas saving them from the moral quandary again. like killing billie for them
i don't even know what to say about this apocalypse world business with bobby, mary and jack. jack's just. poppin angels, ready to throw down with michael
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SAM Well… guess you could say Donatello is alive. CASTIEL You told me not to kill him. DEAN Yeah, but, Cas, you turned him into… he’s brain dead. Machines keeping him breathing. What’s wrong with you? CASTIEL Nothing. SAM Cas— CASTIEL His soul was gone. He was corrupted. He was a danger to himself and to you and to all of humanity. Did you know that he was working with Asmodeus? SAM What? No. CASTIEL Not by choice, but he was. Some people just can’t be saved. DEAN Yeah, but who gets to make that choice? You? What exactly gives you the right? CASTIEL Nothing. I took it. And if I hadn’t acted, we would still be sitting around and talking about what to do next. We would be wasting time. And it’s time we don’t have, Dean. I told you, war is coming. War. And I did what soldiers do. Now we needed the spell to open the rift, and I got it. We need four major ingredients: the grace of an archangel… a fruit from the Tree of Life… the Seal of Solomon… and the blood of “a most holy man.” We find those things, we can bring everybody home. And together, we can beat Lucifer and Michael. This is the only way we win, and this is the only way we survive. It’s like you said, Dean. Whatever it takes.
i mean, surely sam and dean have made these kinds of decisions time and time again. especially when the "whatever it takes" is saving each other. but now cas can take the responsibility/blame for doing the ends justify the means thing
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waywardsunlight · 1 year
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People who didn’t watch Supernatural I am informing you that while destiel was the better ship in the fandom it literally had to get AUed after a certain point to work anymore because Castiel literally realizes that he deserves better, gets fed up with Dean’s behavior, and leaves. He comes back toward the end of the show pretty much for his own kid bc that kid for WHATEVER reason wants to stay with Dean. And then he does the love confession, after already just kinda being done with him after getting treated like shit.
Prefacing this with the fact that I was a destiel shopper from 2015-2020, but Castiel was putting so much into the relationship for most of the show, he lets Dean down a few times but only after Dean ignores him and values his own feelings over Cas’s. Cas becomes a villain because he repeatedly warned Dean he needed help, Dean refused, and Cas went to get help from somebody he ended up regretting working with. Cas would walk through hell for Dean and Dean would do it too but only if Cas was already five feet deep in lava and Dean could make it about himself.
The idea of destiel is funny and silly and I don’t care if you ship it, actually I totally understand and there are periods of the show especially seasons 4-5 where it was pretty romantic but Destiel is often an AU where Dean became a better person. The actual show is one person being in love and working hard to help the other and protect him, because Dean taught him humanity and love, and the other person is entirely selfish in the relationship and abuses Cas a ton. There’s a line that I think totally fits this where Cas says he’d watch Dean destroy the whole world because of his curse and he’d still be by his side but Dean literally treated him so bad that Cas left him LMAOOOOO.
Also, even if Cas hadn’t told Dean he loved him, nobody deserves to get treated in the way he did. Cas should’ve said something earlier (I think he tried in season 12, there’s also a love confession in that season too but Cas said “I love you, I love all of you” in a room with Sam and Mary in it too.), but like… even if he wasn’t honest about his romantic feelings he still just didn’t deserve to get treated like that as a friend. I was so glad for him when he left Dean and kinda mad when he came back for Jack bc Jack literally should not have been around Dean at all bc Dean just continues to be a shitty person to him until the very end of the show despite already learning the lesson and Jack’s mental health crashing bc of Dean’s own selfishness lmaooo
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suncaptor · 3 years
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please elaborate on how s1 dean and s15 sam are similar if u can! that sounds really interesting
when I talk about this I'm talking a lot about abuse dynamics!
One of the interesting things about Sam and Dean is their different fear responses change dramatically (and in some ways switch). Dean in season 1 has quite an intense fawn response (towards John) while Sam is more fight/flight. Sam switches these off by considering them quite evil or through more helplessness and goes more to freeze/fawn while Dean's fight response gets hardwired more intense at the show goes on. (which is extremely notable post Hell where his anger and sadism were the only way to escape torture, but also with the progression of the show in general).
So I think what I really mean to say is that like, in terms of the cycles of abuse, Sam generally becomes revictimised while Dean carries on the cycle of abuse as a perpetrator, but like in this Sam isn't the way he was earlier on to react to Dean even when the target isn't on himself. When Dean is lashing out and abusing Jack, Sam doesn't wish to see it, but he can't trust himself or find a way to really react a lot of the time. He is deeply trying to like, understand Dean's entire perspective because he's been shown time and time again going with his own is wrong and immoral ends with horrible consequences and he has to follow Dean's, but this is like, his downfall in terms of letting things that are bad to happen when it would be better for him to go against it.
So like, he is still in some ways complicit with what happens to Jack because he has a position of power over Jack (like Dean in s1), but neither of them are really... to blame as victims (though Dean I do think is a lot less aware while I think Sam is just untrusting of his own self and frozen).
There are like a lot of differences in them, but I also do think some of the ways they display wants and needs mirror each other (s1 Dean has regrets about wanting a normal life, feels trapped in this life, but also sees it as the only way to have connection and family. this is the same for later seasons Sam). Sam's personality later and Dean's personality early are also very much shaped by trying to react to an abusive person in their life too. Sam was an abuse victim earlier on as well, but even if in some ways he did want to believe John's perspective and was easy to switch fast, he was able to go against John with his fear responses and his own inner sense of self and ambition which is not present later on nearly as much at all.
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myaimistrue · 2 years
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sleep, pretty darling, do not cry (also available on ao3 here)
Dean wakes up screaming. 
He’d had a soul on the rack, flayed open before him. Everything was heavy with that rich-red smell of spilled guts and torture, the sick scent of Hell, and his favorite knife was in his hands. Now, he looks down at them, the way they’re shaking, and wonders how he doesn’t see blood stains.
Dean gets up, goes to the bathroom, splashes some cold water on his face. His breathing is starting to even out a little, and he white knuckles the edge of the sink as he tries to get himself together. He hasn’t had a nightmare about Hell in a while, but there was a time when he did this every single night. He’s good at this. He knows how to handle it. 
Eventually, he stumbles back to bed and flops down on it, the springs of the old mattress creaking beneath him. He closes his eyes, and he’s in the dream again, seeing the begging, twisted soul. And Dean tries not to feel it, god help him, he tries not to feel it, but like so many of his dreams of Hell, there’s a sense of homecoming. The weight of the knife felt so natural in his hands. Carving into the soul was where he belonged.
So he’s probably not falling asleep again tonight. Dean’s glad that Sam isn’t here, at least. He’s on a hunt with Eileen—because they’re serious enough that they hunt together more often than not these days—so Dean doesn’t have to worry about staying quiet to let him sleep. The hunt is finally over, too, after a slog of a week and four victims, so it’s not like he has anything to do tomorrow but drive home. He could turn on the television and watch infomercials until his brain plays static. He could read the old copy of Cat’s Cradle he’s got stuffed in the bottom of his duffle. He could jack off, even, if he could somehow get it up with Hell still dancing behind his eyes. 
Dean checks the time on his phone, and it’s almost two. He’s got a text from Cas, sent sometime after Dean fell asleep earlier. It’s a string of incoherent emojis, and Dean feels himself smiling. It feels strange on his face.
He doesn’t think very much before he clicks the call button. Cas doesn’t sleep, so it’s not like Dean’ll be disturbing him. He just. He just wants to hear Cas’s voice. He just wants to be reminded that there are good things in the world, things beyond this shitty motel and the mess in Dean’s head.
Cas answers on the third ring, and his rasping voice locks something loose into place in Dean’s chest. “Hello?”
“Hey, Cas.” Dean knows how he sounds, wrecked with exhaustion and emotion, and he knows it’ll make Cas worry. But he can’t bring himself to cover it. He doesn’t think he can.
“Dean? Are you alright?”
“Yeah. Yeah, I just…” Dean stares up at the ceiling and sees water stains in the shadows. “I couldn’t sleep. Thought I’d call, if you weren’t busy.”
“I’m watching an episode of something called Storage Wars.” Dean smiles again at the perplexed tone of his voice. “It’s very strange.”
“Yeah, it’s crap tv,” Dean says. He doesn’t even have anything to say, is the thing. He just called Cas because he misses him, because he wants to see him, because he’s got this sick fucking thing where he wants to crawl inside of Cas and never leave him. Because he loves him. “How’s, uh. How’s the kid?”
“He’s good.” Dean can hear the smile in his voice, the smile that’s always there when Cas talks about Jack. It makes Dean’s heart ache. “He’s asleep. Though he did convince me to let him stay up late and watch a movie.”
“Oh yeah?” It doesn’t surprise Dean; Cas is a total pushover when it comes to Jack. “What movie?”
“The Little Mermaid. It was good, and Jack loved the songs. He was still humming one of them when he went to bed.”
Dean pictures it: Cas and Jack side by side in the Dean Cave, passing popcorn back and forth and intently watching Ariel swim around on the screen. He pictures them, cozy and happy and far from danger, and hot tears well up in his eyes. He wants to go home so badly. He wants there to be someone beside him in this bed. He doesn’t want to be alone.
“Sounds fun,” Dean says after a pause that he knows was too long, his voice cracking under the pressure of not breaking down crying like a child. 
“It was,” Cas says haltingly. “Dean, are you okay? The hunt’s finished, right? I know it was difficult.”
“Yeah, it’s finished. I’ll head back tomorrow.” A sliver of light is coming in through the motel room curtains, the yellow-orange beam of a streetlight right across Dean’s face. He drops his forearm across his eyes to block it out, to cover his face and hope that can hold him together. “Cas, I don’t—” He doesn’t say more. He can’t say more, not if he wants to make it out of this conversation alive.
“It’s alright, Dean.” And Cas’s voice is so gentle. “Whatever it is, it’s alright.”
Again, he sees rack. Screaming, burning souls, all of them writhing under Dean’s hand. “I don’t know why you saved me.” It comes out broken, shattered, and Dean barely manages to keep his breaths steady. “I’m fucking—I’m bad, man. All I do is hurt people, you and Jack and Sam, and—and I don’t know how to stop it. I tortured souls and liked it, Cas. Something’s wrong with me, and I don’t know why—”
And then he’s crying, these sharp, stabbing wounded animals sobs, and Cas is on the other end of the phone, murmuring things like It’s okay and I’m here and you’re alright. Dean thinks he’s coming apart, that he’s in pieces, but with just his voice, Cas keeps him together. 
Eventually, it subsides, like it always does. Dean sort of wants to hang up the phone and get so wildly drunk he forgets this ever happened, but he doesn’t. He doesn’t, and then Cas starts talking again.
“I saved you because you are good,” he says. He sounds steady. Sure. “In Hell, even in all of that carnage and ruin, your soul was shining. And I knew then, like I know now, that you are good, inherently. You are kind, and loving, and you are good, Dean Winchester. I saved you then, and I’ve saved you since, and I will save you until I can’t anymore. Because you deserve it. Because you always deserve to be saved.”
Dean squeezes his eyes shut. It’s beautiful, what Cas is saying, almost incomprehensibly so, and it hurts. It hurts to hear something lovely like that. “My soul was shining?” he asks before he can stop himself, and it comes out kind of small. Like a kid, almost.
“Yes,” Cas says, and again, Dean can hear the smile in his voice. The warm curve of it. “It still does, but it stood out particularly in the pit. It was the brightest thing I’ve ever seen. The most beautiful.”
Maybe it’s the clarity of the middle of the night, the stark vulnerability of their voices connected only by telephone lines. Maybe it’s that Dean doesn’t have the strength to hold it in anymore. Or maybe it’s that Cas sounds like he’s talking about something he loves—like Dean is something he loves. Whatever it is, things suddenly seem very simple.
“I love you,” Dean says. It comes out of his mouth easily, like the words have just been waiting for him to say them, and on the other end of the phone, Cas takes a sharp breath. Dean forges on anyway. “I don’t know if you—I don’t know. But I do. I love you.”
“You love me?” Cas is the one that sounds breathless now.
“Yeah. I do.” Dean looks at that light peeking in through the curtains and hopes desperately that this is going to be okay. That maybe, maybe this could work, that maybe Cas—
“I love you too,” Cas says, voice breaking on the words, and Dean’s heart sprouts wings and starts fluttering around in his chest. “Oh, Dean. I love you. I love you too.”
They both laugh, these tearful, happy sounds, and Dean thinks it’s the best thing he’s ever heard. That maybe this is the best thing he’s ever done. 
“Cas, man, I really—I really wanna kiss you,” he says. “I wish I was there.”
“Me too. But you’ll be home tomorrow, and then we can…” Cas laughs again. Dean wants to hear him laugh like this for the rest of his life. “Then we can do everything. Anything. Whatever you want.”
“Okay,” Dean says, and his flying heart is banging against his rib cage. “Okay. Well, uh, I’ve got a few ideas, hotshot.”
“Good. I’m looking forward to it.”
It lulls for a moment, but it’s not weird—it never is with Cas. In the quiet, Dean thinks again of the nightmare, of Hell scraping around under his skin. He feels it all, still, but he feels Cas, too. And Cas loves him. Despite it all, Cas loves him.
“If it’s alright, I…” Cas trails off, and Dean can just see the way he’s furrowing his brow. “I’ll stay on the line until you fall asleep. If you’re okay with it.”
“Yeah?” The heavy fog of sleep would be less intimidating with Cas looking out for him, Dean knows it. “You wanna do that?”
“Of course,” Cas says like that would be anybody’s answer, like anyone would be lucky to listen to Dean’s unsteady breathing.
“Then yeah. I mean, no promises that I’ll actually fall asleep, but if you don’t mind, it’d be…” Dean feels himself flush a little, as if this is somehow more embarrassing or vulnerable than anything else that’s happened tonight. “It’d be nice.”
“Okay.” Cas sounds pleased, the rumble of his voice warm and golden. “Well, um. Goodnight, Dean.”
“Yeah. Night, Cas.” He turns on his side, tries to get comfortable. And then, face half-buried in his pillow, he adds, “I, uh. I love you.”
“I love you too,” Cas says. “Sleep well, Dean. I’ll be right here.”
Dean closes his eyes. He listens to Cas breathing, imagines how it would feel to hear him breathing next to him in this bed, how it would feel to kiss him in this kind of darkness. He thinks of Cas in Hell, seeing Dean at the worst he’s ever been and lifting him up anyway. Beautiful, Cas might have said. You’re safe now.
He’s not sure how much he actually sleeps. He drifts in and out, but every time he comes back to awareness, Cas is still on the phone. And when it’s finally light out and he’s awake for good, Dean opens the curtains up all the way and lets the early morning sunshine touch his face.
“I’m coming home, Cas,” Dean tells him.
“Good,” Cas says softly. Dean’s going to kiss him today. Dean’s going to do right by him. “We’ll be here.”
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@starrynightdeancas and @drgarth’s advent calendar event day three: watch a hallmark christmas movie
“This doesn’t make any sense. It’s literally the same story over and over,” Dean complains, slumped back on the couch, face pressed into Cas’s shoulder.
They’re three movies into the Hallmark Christmas movie marathon on television. Cas and Jack had insisted on watching it when they stumbled on the channel. Much more enthusiastic than Dean, Sam and Eileen had fixed everyone hot chocolate before settling into the other couch.
Jack perks from his spot in the floor, leaning against Cas’s leg. “I like them.”
“I mean…Yeah, me too.” Dean feels his face flush. Because it’s still a chick flick. “That doesn’t mean they’re good.”
Cas nods. “Enjoying something isn’t dependent on the quality.”
“Yeah, exactly. But they could at least get a little more creative.” Dean waves around the arm that’s not wrapped around Cas. “There’s always like some big city lawyer and a small town that’s weirdly obsessed with Christmas and a business that’s about to shut down, but then they rediscover the meaning of Christmas and fall in love and save the family business or something.”
Cas sits up, dislodging a disgruntled Dean’s arm, and takes a sip of his hot chocolate. “I appreciate the storyline.”
“That’s ‘cause you’re a sap, babe.”
“Really?” Sam gives him an incredulous look over Eileen’s head. “Cas is the sap. You’re the one trying to merge into Cas’s side and actually getting invested in these movies.”
“I’m not as bad as these two,” Dean says, tucking himself into Cas’s side as the angel sits back and wraps an arm around him. He’s not gonna argue the cuddling thing. He can’t help that Cas is comfortable as hell.
“You were yelling at the movie earlier.”
“She didn’t know why he really left, Sam! She didn’t know he loved her!”
“Yeah, okay,” Sam says, not convinced, “You seem to feel pretty strongly about these movies.”
“The story is still compelling. That’s how they’re able to make millions of them.”
A chill has Dean shivering, and Cas reaches over him to pull up their blanket from where it had shifted down in his rant, tucking it around both of their shoulders. Ignoring Sam’s smug side eye, Dean nestles into his chest, the material of Cas’s sweater soft and warm under his cheek.
Once he’s settled in, he takes a moment to marvel at the fact that this is his life now. He’s watching dumb Christmas chick flicks with his family, his kid sitting cross-legged in the floor, his brother and sister-in-law signing to each other and trying to not disturb the movie with their giggling, his angel wrapped around him. If he were in one of those movies, he’d call it a Christmas miracle.
“I’m rather fond of these movies,” Cas says, contemplative, his chest rumbling as he speaks, “It’s very similar to our lives.”
Dean snorts. “What? How are these movies anything like our lives?”
Cas looks at Dean like the answer is obvious. “Am I not the big city businesswoman secretly looking to escape her busy life and intolerable law firm? And are you not the humble yet charming lumberjack with the heart of gold who shows the businesswoman what really matters in life?”
“Uh…I guess.” Dean is too dumbfounded to make a smart comment about Cas calling him charming.
“And then they work together to defy the law firm and save the Christmas tree farm and fall in love.”
“Yeah,” Dean says quietly, a slow smile spreading across his face despite his burning cheeks, “I guess we are a Christmas movie.”
It’s the cheesiest thing Dean has ever heard. Although most of the things Cas says are pretty cheesy. But Dean has spent years getting used to Cas being painfully earnest about everything, including Hallmark movies. And he loves it.
“I’d watch that movie,” Jack pipes up, adding more whipped cream to his hot chocolate.
Dean smiles, finding Cas’s hand under the blanket. “Me too, kid.”
They’re well into the fourth movie when the protagonist slips on a patch of ice and the love interest catches them. They share a tense moment, a heated look, the music swells, and then they’re kissing.
“You’ve gotta be kidding me,” Dean scoffs, “That never happens. No one does that.”
“Dude, just enjoy the movie,” Sam whispers, careful not to jostle Eileen where she’s asleep on his shoulder.
Cas says nothing, pressing a kiss into his hair. Dean melts into his side under the touch and mutters, “Not realistic.”
Under the lull of the movie and gentle fingers running through his hair, Dean’s eyes start to grow heavy, his head dipping down into the blanket tucked around his neck, and his eyes finally drift shut.
When the marathon ends well into the night, Cas gently shakes Dean awake, and Jack helps Sam and Eileen put their mugs and blankets away.
Cas catches Dean’s hand as he starts to shuffle towards their room. “Jack wanted us to go outside before we went to bed.”
“Seriously?” Dean rubs his eye. “The kid’s already asleep. Can’t this wait until morning?”
“He was very insistent.”
Dean sighs. “Okay. Let me get my boots and jacket.”
Opening the bunker door, Dean sucks in a breath as the cold air hits his face. He blinks against the wind and his eyes grow wide at what he sees. Soft flecks of white flutter down, dusting the ground in white.
“Uh, Cas? Were we supposed to have snow tonight?”
Cas steps up to his side. “No.” He turns his face up to the sky, a slow smile growing on his face.
Dean tugs his collar higher and trudges out into the snow. The night is quiet, the forest softer with the layer of snow, every step muffled under his boots. It’s nice, peaceful.
Perks of having a god for a kid.
He chuckles under his breath and turns to Cas and—
His foot slips out from under him and he tips back, arms spinning to right himself. “Woah!”
A strong arm wraps around his waist and hauls him upright, pulling him in close. Dean’s hands fly up to grip Cas’s arms, his eyes wide, breath puffing between them.
They’re close enough for Dean to pinpoint the different shades of blue in Cas’s eyes, the gentle crease of laugh lines at the corners. There are snowflakes in his hair, giving him a soft halo.
The angel smiles at him, something small and soft and maybe a little smug.
Dean huffs. “Shut up.” And he kisses him.
Cas hums into his mouth and pulls him closer, wrapping his arms around him tighter as Dean brings his hands up to cradle the angel’s face. He’s warm, he thinks distantly.
After a few slow seconds, Dean barely draws back and murmurs against his lips, “If you tell Sam about this, I’ll kill you.”
“Of course,” Cas says, already leaning in for another kiss.
Maybe it’s cliche. Maybe it’s cheesy. But if Dean’s life is kind of like a weird Christmas movie where he gets to be swept up in Cas’s arms and kissed in the snow, he doesn’t mind.
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tinkdw · 3 years
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The Supernatural Finale Red Herring Theory
Or reasons why it was the AU guys we saw in the finale, not our Sam and Dean.
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Because:
1. It makes me feel better.
2. I can just see them doing this for the Ackles reboot because it’s an easy way to reopen everything.
Having felt better joking about this with @margarittet all morning I wanted to share it 😊
We see Sam and Dean walk away from Jack at the end of 19. From here is the split.
What we didn’t see:
Our Sam and Dean walk away from Jack... and head back to the bunker. En route Sam calls Eileen. She is alive! Duh, they all are, Jack brought them back. They liaise about where she is and Sam takes her car back to her, because he has her car and they are in love. A happy reunion and much motel shagging ensues, Dean jokingly put 3 packets of condoms in Sam’s bag before he went but they came in very handy, so Sam ain’t complaining.
Meanwhile Dean mopes and drives around, he’s happy for Sam but he’s devastated for himself. He calls Charlie to check she’s ok and yes her girlfriend poofed back and they flew to Vegas and got hitched within the day. “Gotta grab those opportunities for happiness Dean, I wasn’t letting her go again”. He can’t help but be jealous. He longs for Castiel. He might be happy for Sam and Charlie, but he can’t forget about Cas. He just can’t.
So of course as a recall to earlier canon, Jack feels his longing and resurrects Castiel for Dean as he did only a few years ago. But this time it’s more obviously because he romantically loves him back.
So while driving Baby aimlessly and thinking about Cas just a few days after the end of the world, Cas reappears on the side of the road, just as he did after purgatory. Dean, now he knows how Cas feels, wastes no time and they have a grand romantic reunion right there on the side of the road, then a less grand and more frantic reunion in the car, and when they’re arrested for indecent exposure, because Dean only now realises Cas chose to come back human (because of course Jack asked him what he wanted) and they can’t get poofed away, they have an awkward call with Sam posturing as an FBI agent to have them let go. Sam, of course, never wants to think about this ever again, while Eileen thinks it’s hilarious and brings it up mercilessly whenever she can. Sam and Cas have a wonderful brotherly reunion back at the bunker, then they all discuss how they want to retire now things are in the best position they can leave them in and they deserve it.
They pack up their personal things, call around various friends and family to let them know they’re retiring, but always at the end of the phone, and then they call their AU counterparts to let them know they can either stand down or take up the mantle. They decide on the latter as they are just ridiculously bored, and stupid, so they leave the bunker to them. There’s a lovely metaphorical scene where they hand the keys over at the bunker door.
What we did see:
Episode 20:
We follow AU Sam and Dean as they attempt their first cases as hunters pretending to be this world’s Sam and Dean so they can retire unlooked for and in peace. It’s kinda sweet, but they’re just a bit crap at it.
They continue to be charicatures of themselves. A fun indication that this is AU Sam and Dean is how their personal habits are flipped with Dean the messy one and Sam the tidy one. They make cheesy jokes and have a stupid faceplant pie scene. AU Dean is a dog lover. It’s all cheesy, because they’re the AU bros. They’re morons.
They remember a bit about what their counterparts told them about saving the world, they vaguely know of Castiel, who they ran into briefly years ago. When Sam brings up his sacrifice as told by the others, Dean thinks huh that’s a shame he’s dead he was kinda hot, but oh well he’d want us to keep living so meh, he continues to eat pie.
This is the only explanation, given our Dean has frequently lost the plot and even killed himself when Cas is dead. This guy doesn’t even know who he is. Ok then. Pie.
And well, unfortunately they’re just not that good at hunting and AU Dean gets rebared.
Tough gig. Didn’t last long fellas.
Dean’s kinda confused when he gets to heaven to find this guy Bobby but it’s ok his parents are round the corner and he likes them :)
Meanwhile AU Sam never even met Eileen so he just marries blurry wife #1 and carries on. He has photos of his mom and dad in his house because he had a pretty good relationship with his dad actually, in the AU, so that all makes sense too.
@asphodelesauvage adds: this also explains the wig because AU!Sam put so much product on his hair that his hair died and now looks like a dead rat.
In the end, it’s sad but these guys are just charicatures of our Sam and Dean, we saw them attempt hunting and fail miserably at the easiest hurdle, they have no memory of the people our Sam and Dean showed they loved deeply just a day before, and, basically, they’re just not very good at anything and they don’t act like our Sam and Dean, like at all, throughout the whole episode.
And that’s why it makes more sense that it’s these idjits, not our world’s Sam and Dean who we watched be massacred in the finale.
The End.
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Why Do I Have to Feel Like a Fucking Conspiracy Theorist -- OR -- How I Find a Semblance of Peace on Sunday Night
I’m also going to start this out with a GIANT DISCLAIMER.
I am about to theorize about what may have happened to the SPN finale. I have absolutely no insider knowledge. I am merely speculating here based on the panels and a bunch of Twitter and Tumblr posts that I have been reading over the last few days. If you are not in a good place to read such things, TURN BACK PLEASE. Go take care of yourself and your mental health. You and your feelings are valid and deserve to be handled gently right now.
Additionally, if you are here to give me shit for being unhappy with the ending, please walk away as well. I am here to reach out and share my feelings with people who might be struggling to make sense of something that upset some of us in very deep-seated ways. I am not here to bother you or critique you or tell you that you’re lesser because you liked the ending. If you felt it was good, then go enjoy it.
Long-ass post beneath the cut, everyone.
Alrighty folks...I debated whether or not to do this because I have been spiraling down the hell that is the SPN finale since Thursday. The travesty of what happened to our show--to this beloved show that seemed to have been so perfectly and precisely written for at least four years that it had basically already paved its own tarmac on which to land its plane and we all thought we knew exactly what we were going to get. And then we didn’t. We had a nigh Cas-less and entirely Eileen-less ending. We had no goodbye between Cas and Jack. We had Dean dying young after finally finding his freedom, only to ascend to heaven with no one but Bobby. We had the weird, weird, weird incest-y death scene. We had the bridge crane shot thing because...sure. You do you, Robert Singer.
It was so terrible, so truly awful, and I couldn’t seem to square any of it with anything we had known going in. I tossed and turned and cried and didn’t eat or sleep all weekend. I spent hours just reloading tumblr and twitter, going to the Misha panel, reading and reading and listening and trying to figure out what the fucking hell is going on because I needed to know exactly where to direct my anger. And after a fuckton of talking with @winchester-reload, I think we have at least a very plausible theory about what happened here--I’m laying it out below as much for my own peace of mind as anything else, because otherwise all of these thoughts are going to continue to spin around in my head for weeks and I won’t be able to do jack shit.
Now to start off, unfortunately I do think Dean was slated to die from the beginning of this season. I don’t know WHY they thought that was the best way to go, and I wish they had listened to Jensen on this one. Part of me wonders if it was an order from on high based on the discussion between Becky and Chuck earlier this season--the writers knew it wasn’t a great choice, but they were trying to signal to us that we should feel free to write our own endings to the story because they’d be better (I can wax poetic on the signs of why many of the writers probably wanted Dean to live, but that’s another post). I’m not defending that choice by any means, just laying it out there that I think they didn’t necessarily all want to kill Dean like they did.
However, what I THINK I can explain now is what happened with Misha and why we got so jerked around with Cas’s story. Consider what we know (I can’t immediately source all of it, but I did my best):
At the end of episode 15x19, Lucifer has been returned to the Empty after being killed AGAIN. He talks with Cas. Maybe harasses him a bit about Dean, idk. But then...Jack shows up. New God Jack. And he picks up Cas and pulls him out of the Empty, leaving Lucifer behind, because seriously. Fuck that guy (also leaving behind his abusive father is character growth for Jack, so yay for that).
-Misha was contracted to film 15 episodes this season. He was only in 14.
-Misha told Michael Sheen he had to go back to film 1.5 episodes after the shutdown in March. (Starts at 6:13)
-Misha was in Vancouver during filming of the finale.
-Mark P said at Darklight Con that the last scene he filmed was with Alex and Misha (and Mark P was only in episode 19).
-Misha implied that he was present for various filming moments, including Dean’s death (start at 35:15), and said that it felt like a “mini-reunion.”
-Various sources have mentioned that Jimmy Novak was supposed to be in the finale.
-After episode 18, Stands tweeted a fan who was angered and hurt by Cas's death that they could talk about the “bury the gays” issue after the finale aired.
-In episode 19 we know there were takes of the parking lot scene where the only thing fans observing could hear was Dean yelling “CAS” at Chuck (fuck I can’t find this one right now, but it’s definitely out there)
-Also in episode 19, we had a very strange, awkward montage at the end of the episode.
-In episode 20, we know there were a FUCKTON of missing scenes
-We also had no opening montage, but three other separate montages.
-Carry on My Wayward Son was played TWICE, back-to-back at the end of the episode.
-Episode 20 was shorter than normal and had surprisingly little dialogue. The pacing was VERY strange.
-The cast and crew has been almost completely silent about the finale since it came out. When they have spoken, it has been with an awkward excuse of “Uh...COVID?”
-Samantha Ferris has specifically noted that, despite the Harvelle’s being back in play and a big heaven reunion having been planned pre-COVID, neither she nor Chad Lindberg received any such invitation to return.
-Cas and Dean POP Funko figures were pictured together in a replica of Harvelle’s in 15x04.
NOW with all of this in mind (and I’m probably missing some stuff too because there is so much--feel free to add on to that list), please bear with me because here is what I think we were SUPPOSED to get POST-COVID (after it was determined that the reunion couldn’t happen because of the virus):
In episode 20, we start with our NORMAL OPENING MONTAGE, like always. It traces everything that happened during the season. We are reminded of Cas. The confession. Rowena. Eileen. Jack. Billie, God, the Empty, all of it. 
Things then follow along in the episode where they did up until Dean dies and wakes up in heaven. After his conversation with Bobby, he drives off to find Cas (who, in the script, was listed as “Jimmy Novak” in order to protect against script leaks--who wouldn’t want to do their best to avoid spoilers about the finale with the wrapping of a fifteen-year show?). He does indeed find Cas. We get Dean’s end of the confession. Hell, maybe we even get a kiss. And then Dean sets up his new heaven home in the recreated Harvelle’s. Maybe Cas even fucking moves in. 
Years pass. We get Sam having his life on Earth (still can’t explain why they cut Eileen and couldn’t even have Sam signing vaguely to the blurry brunette in the background; if anyone wants to take that on, go for it). Eventually, Cas tells Dean that it’s almost Sam’s time. Dean takes Baby and goes to meet Sam at the bridge. The cover of Carry on My Wayward Son plays during this much shorter sequence. End of episode.
But that’s not what we got. Instead, much of what I just wrote about was excised from the episode. The remnants were stitched together after shooting had been wrapped. Filler was added in the form of montages and long, unnecessary extra shots to get the episode to something approaching a reasonable length. 
But why? Why would they spend all that time and money and quarantining on Misha, only to almost completely cut him out of the finale? I struggled with why the fuck the CW would want this mammoth show to go down as the greatest queerbait in TV history when they had the chance to do something truly beautiful and monumental with it? It couldn’t just be sheer homophobia, right? Well, I think that factored into it, my friends, but here is where my head is at right now.
It was about cold, hard cash.
Now I could be wrong, but this is what I’m thinking at the moment: Supernatural is going off of the air. Supernatural, the CW’s cash cow for fifteen years. Sure there is still money to be made on blu-rays and merchandise and cons...but they need people watching their shows. They need that sweet advertising revenue. And you know what show they have about to premiere? A show that could, potentially, bring with it a chunk of that SPN revenue?
Walker.
And if any of you know anything about the original Walker Texas Ranger, you know that the show was predominantly a show about a very heterosexual white man being very excessively heterosexual. And for SOME REASON over the years, many of the execs at the CW still seem to think that this show, Supernatural, is really attractive to a lot of middle-American white men...whom they desperately want to watch this new show with this guy from Supernatural that they already know.
Now here’s where COVID fucked us. I think Destiel was greenlit by TPTB, at least in SOME form, before COVID. But then the pandemic happened, and they panicked. They got the cut of the last two episodes and watched them in their original, probably queer form. And then, the execs at CW looked at the economy. They looked at their cash cow, about to make its journey to the great beyond. And they looked at this new little calf Walker that they were so desperately worried about. And they made a choice.
They decided that it would be too risky to take the step with Destiel. They were worried about frightening off their ever-so-valuable hetero male demographic with the possibility that a traditionally masculine man in his 40s could be in love with another man in an overt way. It was homophobia mixed with greed, spun up by fear for their revenues because of COVID.
So they called in Singer, possibly Dabb, although I wouldn’t be surprised if they went straight to Singer. They told them that Destiel had to go: executive orders. And the only way to make it go in a way that removed any trace of what had been there was to rewrite what happened to Cas and cut him out from the last two episodes entirely. It was too late to reshoot anything. They had to just cut and stitch and fill with bullshit montages. 
They removed the scene at the end of 19, probably because Cas and Lucifer discussed Dean. All that was left of Misha there was his voice on that fake phone call. They may have cut other things too, but I would bet my life that they cut a scene from the end of the episode and replaced it with that very strange montage. Then they moved onto 20. They cut out every scene with Cas. And left in only two platonic mentions of him, neither made by Dean. They tried to imply that Cas might show up in Dean’s heaven at some point, but that was as far as the editors could go in the time they had. They filled in with montages, awkwardly long shots, anything they could do to fill all of those missing scenes.
And they even had to take the opening montage, because literally everything in it pointed to Cas being there at the end of it all. They wouldn’t be able to leave out his scenes, they were too critical to the season. They couldn’t cut his confession without raising eyebrows. So they cut the whole thing and moved “Carry On My Wayward Son” to one of the newly-added driving montages at the end. Which is why we awkwardly had both songs play back-to-back--again, such a strange choice unless they were out of options and couldn’t exactly buy rights to a new track or compose anything else.
And so we were left with the shadow of the finale that we deserved, that Cas and Dean deserved. We were left without resolution or happiness or words. Bobo told us the most important thing about happiness is just “saying it” and our characters were silenced without anyone ever knowing the truth.
I think the writers might have known and been given the new party line that “Misha never filmed, he couldn’t, sorry, it was COVID, no one’s fault!” But I don’t think most of the cast even knew it had happened until they watched the finale on Thursday with us (though they might have been confused why the bit from 15x19 was sliced, they could reasonably have assumed it was a time thing and also BL episodes don’t make sense anyway). Why do I say that?
Well, first of all, Misha started sending out a bunch of excited texts to fans with some old BTS pictures about an hour before the show started airing on EST. He also wanted his children to see the episode, his YOUNG children. Why would he show them such a traumatic episode if their Dad wasn’t in it? What if it was because he wanted them to witness what was going to be a monumental moment in queer television history that their DAD got to be a part of? And then that was all dashed.
Which is why I think the cast and crew went almost completely radio silent the next day. I don’t think they knew. And based on how they have been acting on social media since then, I think many of them are absolutely furious, but they have been silenced because of NDAs, because they want to find work again in a cutthroat industry, because they don’t want to bring down the hellfire of Warner Brothers Entertainment upon themselves. So the most we have gotten is a little acknowledgement from the MERCHANDISING COMPANY trying to validate our pain (god bless Shirts, she is a LIFESAVER) and a response to my salty tweet about keeping good stuff in the closet from Adam Williams (the VFX coordinator) that seemed to acknowledge the validity of my complaint.
Then there was a scramble behind the scenes, I would bet my life. Talking points were fed to the boys who had panels today, to CE, to all the cast and crew:
Toe the party line. Misha never filmed. This was always about COVID. Do not mention Destiel. Do not mention Dean’s feelings for Cas. Do not promote the Castiel Project or anything that validates the idea that this was anything less than a superb ending.
And that is why we have heard so little from the cast on this front, and what we have heard has been muddled and contradictory. That is why the writers are saying nothing. That is why we have been left adrift.
Now before I close this out, I do want to say that I really, genuinely do not think this was on the writers at all. I feel like they tried to give us the best ending that they could, in a writers room that we know is notorious for splitting along party lines about the overall story (BL and Singer, who have always been about the brothers and their man-pain vs. Dabb and the rest who always seemed to want more for them and for Cas). I think they did everything in their power to at least end with Dean and Cas happy together. If they could give us nothing else, they wanted to give us that. And then the network took it from them. From us. From everyone.
For the sake of fucking money. 
And the WORST PART OF IT ALL, for me, is that in the wake of this disaster, the fans have been left to try and figure out what happened. We have had to wade through a mire of conflicting information in the midst of all of our collective anger and grief over this garbage ending of a show many of us have loved and even relied on for YEARS, all the while wondering if we’re just fucking crazy, if we have all fallen collectively into the hole of conspiracy theories. That hurts ESPECIALLY badly because we have taken so many hits over the years from other groups on social media saying we were crazy for seeing things that weren’t there (especially Destiel), for writing meta and analyzing tropes and believing the evidence of our eyes and ears. The network has made us relive that entire nightmare WHILE processing our grief for a show we wanted so badly to celebrate and which instead we now have to mourn.
So again guys, I cannot prove that this is exactly what happened at all; this is simply my idea of what may have happened. But right now, it’s the most sense I can make from this mess, and to be honest, the act of typing it out has helped me enormously in my processing of it all. I feel like I can see more clearly, like I know where to target my outrage and where to direct empathy. I feel like just fucking maybe, I might be able to do my job tomorrow without bursting into tears at random moments. 
I really hope that this post has helped some of you to, in some small way, process this too. We get through this the way that Misha told us at his panel this morning, the way the writers have told us to do all season long...we throw out the story God gave us and we make it better. We write our characters the happy endings they deserve. 
We save them.
One last thing--if you have not already, please consider channeling your rage into a donation to one of the five causes our fandom has put together to pay tribute to our beloved show and to mourn the ending it should have had:
-The Castiel Project
-Dean Winchester is Love
-Sam Winchester Project
-The National Association of the Deaf
-The Jack Kline Project
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castiel’s guide to loving a human
for @emeraldcas’ creator celebration and for cas’ bee day event organised by @thenightwemetnatural 💚🐝
part 1 / part 2 / part 3 / part 4 / full version on ao3 / dean’s guide / the home guide
prompts: happy birthday castiel! and “there are no angels like me”
step 3: let him love you back
“Because angels don’t have birthdays, Dean.”
“Who cares, you’re not like other angels, Cas. We’re celebrating your birthday, and if I have to drag you to the dining room later don’t think I won’t.”
Cas refrains from mentioning that Dean isn’t strong enough to drag him anywhere. They’ve been having this disagreement all morning, ever since Sam sent Cas a text message expressing that he’s looking forward to Cas’ birthday dinner this evening.
Cas has been aware that they were having guests over today, Dean invited Sam, Eileen and Jack weeks ago. But over the course of the morning he found out that not only are Jody, Donna, Claire and the others also coming, but that this whole affair is in honour of a birthday that technically doesn’t exist.
Cas remembers a conversation with Dean years ago, about birthday dates, and back then, just to indulge him, Cas had chosen March 19th, because that date felt right. It’s not like Dean ever did anything with that information. No birthday wishes or cake or presents. He doesn’t understand why it’s suddenly important.
“Cas, why are you fighting me on this?” Dean asks, and Cas sets on to answer, but finds his mind void of any explanation.
“I just…” He starts, scrambling for any possible reason, but there’s nothing. He could say that it’s because he doesn’t even know exactly how old he is, too much time has passed, but he doesn’t really care about that.
When he realises that he won’t get an answer, Dean sighs. “Okay, I can just… tell everyone not to mention it. We can just have a big family dinner then.” Dean smiles, but it’s small and tight and not enough to fool Cas. Dean is disappointed. “I gotta start on that, actually.”
Before Cas can stop him, Dean has left their bedroom and a few moments later, Cas hears him shifting around in the kitchen.
He thinks about their disagreement, and wonders how it became a disagreement in the first place. Why Cas is so against celebrating his birthday. It unsettles him a bit that he doesn’t know his own motivation. Maybe it’s because of the fuss. Maybe it’s because it’s a very human thing to do and Cas isn’t human.
Cas tries to give Dean space. He fails after entering the kitchen ten minutes later, determined to set things right again. Dean is standing at the counter, looking over a recipe, and Cas walks up behind him and leans in, his arms around Dean’s middle and his head on Dean’s shoulder. Despite their earlier disagreement, both of them relax into it.
“Why is this so important to you, Dean?” Cas asks, tightening his hold on Dean in what he hopes is a reassuring gesture.
Dean’s hands rest on Cas’ arms. “It’s your birthday, Cas. And you… you’ve done so much for me, I just thought I could do this one thing for you.”
Cas starts swaying them from side to side. “Dean, you’ve done so much for me, too. You’ve changed my life. As much as I saved you, you saved me as well.”
Dean scoffs, but doesn’t reply. Cas isn’t sure what to so to make Dean believe him.
“You know what, why not? Let’s have a birthday dinner!” Cas decides, because in the end, it’s not really about the birthday itself. It’s about letting Dean show Cas that he is important. And maybe that would be good for the both of them.
“I thought you said angels don’t have birthdays.” Dean says, but there’s a smirk on his face and humour in his voice. Cas laughs.
“As you pointed out earlier. There are no angels like me.”
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chocolatecakecas · 3 years
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Quality Family Time: Baby Jack ficlet
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In Dean's humble opinion, the week was off to a pretty good start. Sunday, he and Cas took Jack to the library and let him go wild in the children's section, then let him run off his "excitement about literature" in the park, ending with lunch at their favorite diner, which is Dean's humble opinion qualifies as a pretty great Sunday afternoon. And then Sammy and Eileen finished up their hunt earlier than expected, and they even brought back Claire and Kaia as a surprise. Meaning they got to all have a much-needed family dinner, movie night, and catch up with the girls. And they decided to stay for a few days, which meant extra babysitters, which really meant, he and Cas could have their date night this week. And of course it also meant Dean had a few days to just hang out with his family, watch some movies, watch his kids bond, run some stupid errands, cook some big meals. 
Now it was Wednesday, and Dean was spending the day with Eileen and Jack, while the others opted to help Sam with the supply run. Eileen was getting a movie queued up for Jack's nap, while Dean got a start on some laundry.  
(read the rest under the cut)
He was currently running out to the garage to grab the blanket he keeps folded in Baby's trunk, smiling fondly at the memory of Monday's date night.  
So yeah as far as Wednesdays go, Dean was having a pretty good one.
At least, he was.
Dean's stomach dropped as he flicked the lights on, barely registering the clang of his keys hitting the floor, standing frozen in the doorway.  
He's hallucinating, he must be. There's absolutely no way that-
He squeezed his eyes shut, counting to ten while he tried to will away the hallucination with his mind. But unfortunately for Dean, he didn't have that kind of mind power, because that thing was still sitting there when he opened his eyes.
Fuck.
Forcing his feet to move, Dean stepped further into the garage, reaching out a shaking hand as he inched forward. 
He'll just touch it and his hand will go through it, and he can blame this hallucination on that questionable burger he ate at some local joint they all went to last night. It'll be fi-
Dean's blood turned to ice as his hand connected with cool metal. He quickly jumped back in shock, jaw hitting the floor.
Because last time he checked, Dean didn't leave an 18 foot long Lightning McQueen sitting in his beloved Baby's parking spot. 
He tried to speak but all that came out was an incoherent squeak, as he raced around the car inspecting every inch of it.
He couldn't get any of the doors open or the hood for that matter, but as far as he could tell it seemed to be a real car, despite being a cartoon look-a-like. 
Well, at least it wasn't talking. 
"Ka-chow"
Dean slumped over onto the roof of the car, banging his head, fists following in defeat.
Because there was a Lightning McQueen look-a-like with a toy voice box, parked in the garage of their super top-secret underground Bunker, in place of one of his most prized possessions. 
Maybe he spoke too soon about having a pretty good Wednesday. 
Why is this happening? How did this thing get in here? Where is his Baby? Is she alright? Can he even get her back? How the hell did this ev-
Son of a bitch. 
"Jack!" Dean called, voice coming out more strangled than he'd care to admit. 
Of course. Cars had become Jack's new obsession over the past week, they first watched it on Friday night and he's insisted on watching it at least once a day ever since. 
Dean groaned scrubbing his hands down his face. There's truly never a dull moment with a half-Nephilim toddler. 
Jack probably didn't even realize what happened. Sometimes his powers react before his mind can catch up with them, like when he subconsciously made all of his toys come to life after Toy Story became his favorite movie. The kid probably didn't even know about the Cars wannabe parked in the garage, besides his kid would never tamper with Bab-
"Dee! You found Lightning!" 
Dean's jaw once again found its way back down to the floor. His own kid.
He turned to see his four-year-old come bounding into the garage, practically bursting with joy.
"What the hell"
Dean tore his gaze away from Jack to see Eileen frozen in the doorway, who's jaw also joined Dean's on the floor. 
"Look see it's just like Lightning, Dee!" Jack cheered as he ran over to check out the car, regaining Dean's attention.
"Uh...ye-yeah buddy. I-I can see that bu-" Dean began sounding pained, only to be cut off by Jack.
"It's a real car, Dee. You can drive it! And look I gots all the stickers on it too"
"Yeah kiddo, bu-"
"And it can talk too! It says all of Lightning's things! Do you like it Dee? Where you surprised?" Jack asked as he wrapped himself around Dean's legs, smiling up at him without a care in the world.
Dean still mostly in shock, glanced up at Eileen who looked to be in the same boat, except she was holding back barely contained laughter. 
Great no help from his best friend, traitor. So Dean shakily knelt down placing his hands on Jack's shoulders.
"Listen, Squirt. I was definitely surprised. But yo-"
"Oh my god"
Dean's head jerked up to see Sam, Cas, Claire, and Kaia now standing with Eileen in the doorway, dropped grocery bags spilling out onto the floor. All of them too stunned to move, except for Cas who luckily must have noticed the distress in Dean's eyes.
"Jack, Baby. What is this?" Cas asked, quickly making his way over to them, quickly kneeling down beside Dean.
"I made Baby into Lightning! Ta da!"
"Wait, that thing is my Baby?" Dean asked voice cracking. 
And of course, that's what did it.
Sam doubled over in laughter, Eileen, Claire, and Kaia quickly following, and Cas was beside him, clearly trying to conceal his laughter.
"God this is the best thing I've ever seen" Sam wheezed in the background, and if Dean weren't still reeling he'd walk right over and punch him. 
Cas placed a grounding hand on Dean's shoulder, all while trying to bite back his smile. Well, Dean appreciated the gesture, at least he was trying to be considerate, unlike some people he knew.
"Bug, do you remember what Daddy and I told you about using your powers?" Cas begins, trying and failing to sound stern.
"That I can't make my toys be alive! And I didn't Baby isn't alive, and she's not even a toy!" Jack explains with a smile. 
"Yea-yeah Squirt, but the second part of that little talk was that you shouldn't use your powers unless you ask Daddy, or me, or Uncle Sammy or Aunt Eileen, remember?" Dean supplied after he finally got his gears spinning again.
"Ooooohhh. Oops, sorry!"Jack shrugs and he even had half a mind to at least look a little bit sorry, but it's drowned out by another fresh wave of laughter.
"I'm so glad we decided to stay longer, does stuff like this happen all the time?" Kaia laughed behind him, as Claire wiped the tears from her eyes.
"Oh I'm so glad my distress is amusing to all of you!" Dean shot back, voice still a little unsteady, which only caused them to laugh harder. Cas met his eyes, as he squeezed his shoulder, scooting closer.
"Squirt it's okay, just uh don't do it again....now where exactly is the real Baby?" Dean asked cutting right to the chase, not missing the look Cas gave him for glossing over the whole "don't use your powers without asking" lesson.
But there was time for that later, because right now his Baby was currently a firetruck red cartoon racecar with eyes.
"That is Baby. I just made her look like that, it's her. See!" Jack explained jumping up and dragging Dean over. Everyone else followed suit, Sam giving him a shit eating grin as he handed Dean the discarded keys.
To Dean's surprise, the key unlocked the car just like baby, and the interior looked exactly the same.
"Wow kid, this is honestly pretty cool" Claire complimented with a low whistle, which earned her a death glare from Dean, only making her laugh harder.
Unbelievable. All of his kids have it out for his car today.
Dean heaved a sigh as he watched his family examine every inch of the car, not bothering to hold back their laughter at this point.
"Well, I guess it's a good thing we didn't watch How to Train Your Dragon" Cas quipped wrapping Dean in his arms as he pressed a quick kiss to his lips. Dean flopped over and laid his forehead on Cas's shoulder, letting a soft laugh escape.
"Yeah well, at least my car wouldn't have been caught in the crossfire" Dean groaned back, feeling Cas' laugh rumble in his chest.
"Yes I know this is a tragedy, clearly the real live dragons would have caused less damage-well less emotional damage anyway"
"Woah, look at that, he's got jokes. Alright everyone step away from the racecar" Dean smirked, yelling that last bit as he pushed away from Cas' chest. He made his way over to Jack who was currently in the driver's seat (keys nowhere near the ignition of course), showing everyone how the horn says McQueen catchphrases now.
"Alright Houdini, while the Lightning McQueen trick was very cool, and we've reminded you that we don't use powers unless we ask. It's time to turn him back into Baby, capiche?" Dean said in the most no-nonsense tone he could manage as he kneelt down to Jack's level.
And of course Dean's very logical, very simple, very warranted request resulted in an uproar from his family.
"Wait you aren't even gonna take it for a spin?"
"You've literally got thee Lightning McQueen sitting in your garage"
"Dean c'mon one dri-"
"Nope. Not happening. Now way am I driving that thing" Dean cut in, flinging his arms out for emphasis and effectively silencing the traitor-his family.
Then he felt a little tug on his shirt.
"Please Dee? One time, then I change Baby back?" Jack asked with his best puppy dog eyes, and Dean quickly made a mental note to kick Sam's ass for teaching him that.
And as he slowly tilted his head back up, he was met with four pleading faces, all hovering around the car He desperately turned his gaze towards Cas knowing he'd be the voice of reason, he'd neve-
"Well, it would be a waste not to take the car for at least one ride" Cas shrugged almost sheepishly, barely hiding his grin. Dean stared back into his eyes trying to will him to change his mind, but he knew it was pointless.
Dean sighed his defeat, running a hand down his face. Damnit
"Fine, one drive-and I mean one. Twenty minutes tops" He shouted, throwing his hands in air in exasperation as everyone cheered.
And when Dean found himself driving back to the bunker four hours later, he and failed tried to hid his smile. He glanced in the mirror at Claire and Jack passed out, while Kaia and Sam held a whispered conversation in the magically (which Jack may or may not have had a hand in) stretched out backseat. Eileen turned in the front seat joining the conversation, as Cas sat in the middle, pressed up against Dean.
Cas gave his hand a squeezing, shooting him a knowing smile, which only earned a nudge from Dean.
So yeah, maybe Dean did almost have a heart attack earlier in the day. And maybe he did have to let a bunch of annoying people in the next town over pose for pictures with the car when they stopped for dinner. And maybe the horn said "Ka-chow" and "I am speed". And maybe the drive was more than twenty minutes. But in Dean's humble opinion, it was still a pretty good Wednesday after all.
Lightning McQueen be damned.
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mishasminions · 3 years
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The Last Time I’ll Write a Long Post About Supernatural (15x18-15x20)
15 YEARS OF WATCHING THIS SHOW. 11 YEARS OF RUNNING A BLOG ABOUT IT. IT’S BEEN QUITE A RIDE.
[15x20 Speculation + evidence at the bottom]
First off, I just wanna come clean and say, after all these years, I still think they should’ve ended at Season 5.
If you’re going to come at me with “Then why’d you stick around to watch it if you didn’t like it?”, your question is immature, and the answer is simple: I just want to know what happens next (I also love the main characters and their actors too). You can watch a show and still think it’s shit.
Call me a clown, but despite all the disappointment and trust issues that this show has given me, I would still look forward to the day where it might just turn itself around and bring back the quality it once had, or realize the potential of each story it was trying to tell, or at the very least, do justice by my favorite ship.
Never happened.
They’ve had a few good episodes here and there. I can’t imagine the SPN Universe without The Man Who Would Be King, The French Mistake, and Scoobynatural. Seasons 6-10 were enjoyable at times. I blocked out most of 7 & 11-15. 
If you’ve been following this blog since its heydays in 2010-2014, you’d know I’d try my best to defend Destiel and this show’s decisions regarding it no matter what.
Because you know what, as a CONCEPT, this show is good. If you take a look at all the worlds its storylines have birthed in fanfiction/fanworks, you’d see how much Supernatural has wasted its own story arcs. The writing got shittier as each season progressed, and they’ve obviously given up in production as well because the quality in the execution has noticeably gone down too, but if you take a step back and take a look at the bigger picture, you’ll see that this show still tries to make sense of itself.
[If you’re still following this post, please bear with me, I know this is long, but I just want you to understand how jaded and pessimistic I am with regards to this show, so maybe you can buy into whatever hopeful thing I’m about to say later on.]
SO LET’S TALK ABOUT DESTIEL
Never in my wildest dreams did I think that they would give us Castiel’s “I love you” speech. To the point where, if I weren’t so desperate for it, I would argue that it was completely out of character for him to word vomit the way he did (but I’m not gonna diss on that right now because I’ll take what I can get).
I’ve valued every meaningful and obscure exchange that Dean and Cas have had in the earlier seasons, and I was willing to accept their relationship as just that--undefined, without any clear boundaries as to what they really are. And I think that was beautiful on its own.
But now, they’ve chosen to define it.
After they’ve driven every possible wedge between Dean and Castiel in seasons 11-15, to try to explain away their feelings as something they offer to a collective.
Dean can’t mourn and pray for JUST Cas, he has to mourn and pray for EVERYBODY--even Crowley, even some chick he just met, because god forbid he cries about just the guy who has given up everything for him--that would be “too homo”.
They’ve even set Cas on a path to abrupt fatherhood just so he can care about something other than Dean. Make it seem as if Dean wasn’t his purpose through and through.
And after all these years of this stupid show trying to deny it, they choose to acknowledge it at the worst possible circumstance, at a time where they’ve been so far apart, that it seems so foreign for them to suddenly come together.
But here we are. And they’ve chosen to tell us.
Chosen to tell us that everything that Castiel has done leading up to his death, he has done it because he was IN LOVE WITH DEAN WINCHESTER.
Chosen to tell us that the ONE THING THAT WOULD MAKE CAS HAPPY IS DEAN WINCHESTER.
Chosen to tell us that BEING WITH DEAN WINCHESTER is something that CAS WANTS BUT KNOWS HE CAN’T HAVE.
And they’ve also chosen to tell us nothing about how Dean feels.
Sure, finding out your angel made a deal, the stipulations of said deal, his newfound happiness philosophy, his long-winded monologue of why he loves you and why you’re worthy of his love, and to top it all off he tells you that being in love with you is enough to make him happy while he subtly hints that he’s always wanted to be WITH you romantically, was a lot to process in the 5 minutes after you’ve just had an existential crisis.
It’s whatever, right? Let’s culminate 11 years worth of tension and feelings in 5 minutes. Let’s waste the entire episode with cringey expository dialogue, and irrelevant sequences. The whole season was a waste anyway.
You know what Supernatural? FUCK YOU FOR THAT. They deserved better. WE deserve better.
And I would love nothing more than to hurl every possible insult your way,
But for the last time, I’m going to HOPE that you’re finally going to try to make it better for the fans that stuck by you all these years.
No more baiting new viewers, no more placating casual viewers, no more excuses. 15 years. Bring it home for the people who have actually been around.
SO HERE’S HOW I THINK 15x20 IS GONNA GO
There’s two ways this series is gonna end. Horribly or Spectacularly.
First let’s all take into consideration what Andrew Dabb says about it:
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So, let’s start with
ENDING HORRIBLY
In this scenario, Misha is telling the truth about his last day of filming being 15x18. His “camping trip” during the last few days of filming 15x20, was actually a camping trip. He doesn’t go to Vancouver to shoot.
Jensen wasn’t “being careful” during the zoom interviews that it was just him and Jared quarantining for the shoot, it really was just him and Jared (althought most of these were done pre 15x19) Supernatural isn’t smart enough to do misleading PR, and they’re once again oblivious to the potential of their own story.
Misha hasn’t posted a “Goodbye Castiel” tweet because he’s probably saving it for last episode or he forgot because it was overshadowed by the Destiel trend that night.
So what we get is:
Sam and Dean are on the road again, up against the monster of the week. Only their world no longer has actual Supernatural beings anymore, so the monsters they’re fighting are humans.
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Humans end up killing the Winchesters (despite having gone up against literally every powerful being imaginable INCLUDING God himself). Dean and Sam end up in heaven and relive their greatest hits.
Meanwhile, Castiel rots in The Empty because he died after realizing that he was happy and gay. Jack doesn’t bother rescuing him—his surrogate dad, the guy who made this specific deal to spare him—even though it was so easy for him get Cas in and out of The Empty when he had a fraction of the power that he has now.
Dean never speaks of Castiel’s confession because despite all the hints of a profound bond in the earlier seasons, and the fact that Dean has never cared for anyone (who isn’t his actual brother) as immensely as he does Cas, Supernatural just can’t have its main macho character be “suddenly bisexual” because that would hurt the male ego or some shit.
His heaven would probably be living happily ever after with his family. “Family” meaning Mary and John Winchester--two of the shittiest parents ever (but they’re not going to include them in this episode like they were supposed to because of Covid) and Sam.
Sam also gets a dog. As usual.
I wouldn’t put it past Supernatural to do this. After everything they’ve pulled, this would be right up their alley. I actually expect this ending.
Anyway, onto the next possible ending
ENDING SPECTACULARLY
In this scenario, Supernatural tries to stick the landing, and Jensen’s whole “It didn’t sit well with me at first, but then I took a step back after talking to Kripke, and realized that I had to view it from an audience perspective, I am now really excited about it” (DC Con 2019) anecdote about his thoughts on the final episodes, were actually about Dean potentially ending up with Cas. (Which would totally make sense because Jensen at first didn’t see Dean as anything but hetero, but as of late, he has been throwing in Destiel jokes of his own, so he seems to have warmed up to the idea)
Backed with Misha’s tidbit (DLConline 2020) that he and Jensen had conversations about Destiel, and that they wouldn’t have gone through with it if Jensen wasn’t onboard with it, but Jensen didn’t push back at all. (Why would they need to check with Jensen if it was just Cas going all in?)
Robert Berens (writer of 15x18) also wrote the script at the beginning of Season 15, but made Misha privy to the concept a year prior (Season 14), so they went into this season knowing about Destiel going canon.
This one’s a reach, but this scenario also supposes that Misha was lying about his whereabouts during the filming of the final episode, and him saying that 15x18 was his last episode is part of the diversion to avoid taking away from the weight of Castiel’s death.
And that Supernatural is actually self-aware of its own material (similar to how they have wrapped things up in the past—lots of expository dialogue, poor execution, but fulfills the story arc)
Since Season 15 is basically a Meta Season (Chuck/God as a writer, pretentiously calling out how he created the worlds, its characters, and basically invalidating the past 14 seasons), and 15x19 is supposedly the finale for Season 15, written by two of the worst Supernatural writers, Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming (Bob Singer’s wife), then we can assume that 15x19 is where the shitty writers kill themselves--as Chuck, of course.
So we get a badly written episode that produces a bad ending, or as Becky put it, “All action, and no Cas”
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So we get the bad writers season ending at 15x19.
And 15x20 is where Sam and Dean write their own stories, and where the cast had a hand in pitching ideas for it.
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Dabb has mentioned that 15x20 (Act Two) is a SERIES finale, where they try to resolve the characters’ journeys.
Because as everyone has acknowledged, Supernatural isn’t about the story, it’s about the characters.
So here’s what we can get out of it:
With no more Supernatural beings left to fight, Sam and Dean are in a stalemate. They’ve resigned themselves to fighting to the bitter end, but the “end” has passed, and they’re still standing.
So they try to figure out who they are now, and what they want out of the life they still have.
Sam still wants a normal apple pie life. Before Dean dragged him out of college to go hunting with him, he had a whole life planned out for him. Become a lawyer, settle down with a nice girl, and get a dog. He gave all that up because they had work to do, but now the work is finished, he can finally go back to wanting that for himself again.
Dean finally realizes his self-worth after Cas saves him again. His prayer to Cas in purgatory may have helped him come to terms with his anger, but the whole “you’ve done everything you did for love” speech finally put him in his place, and he learns not to hate himself anymore.
But of course, he cannot fully reconcile with himself if he doesn’t get Cas back, and tell him how he feels.
Because Dean actually wants something for himself this time. Something he knows he can finally have if he can just salvage it.
So maybe this time around, with the help of Jack (off-screen), Dean saves Cas. Grips him tight and raises him from perdition.
They bypass The Empty deal by turning Cas human, and he lives the rest of his days with Dean.
Dean and Cas know they deserve to be saved, and they know that they deserve to be happy.
(Wishful thinking, maybe they kiss a little)
Anyway...
I’m just saying, there’s NO WAY that they’d have Cas go through that whole rushed speech, if they weren’t going to do anything about it later on.
But again, after 10 years of disappointment, I wouldn’t put it past Supernatural to pat themselves on the back and say, “Okay, we sort of gave them what they wanted. We’re good now”
If that’s the case, Supernatural, I’m sorry I wasted my time on you.
Here’s to hoping 🤡
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penny for your thoughts on salmondean codependency ?
Sure. Fair warning it’s long (was longer but I stopped myself.)
I think it’s complicated in a show that’s had so many different showrunners because they’ve all handled Sam and Dean’s relationship very differently. In Kripke’s era (s1-5) there was a romanticization of the bond. Sure there was a lot of in-depth exploration of how they wound up at the place they were at, spoiler alert: it was all because of John and his obsessive crusade to find the demon that killed his wife. That’s all he cared about and as a result, Sam and Dean had to be everything to each other. But Kripke had no intention of dismantling that at any point because he was (and always had been) writing a tragedy. Gamble continued that too. There was no room for anyone else in their lives and it would always just be the two of them against the world. So Cas had to go. Bobby had to go.
(Actually, it's funny because Gamble didn't intend this at the time, her plan was to kill Cas off, but by Edlund creating the masterpiece that is The Man Who Would Be King, he not only saved Cas from being seen as a villain, but he also deepened Dean and Cas' relationship in such a profound way and inextricably linked the two of them emotionally. And since Cas was eventually brought back, that laid the foundation for a lot of what their relationship would become.)
Up until this point, there hadn’t really been any significant dismantling of perhaps the more unhealthy parts of Sam and Dean’s relationship. Enter Carver. He stripped things down and started to explore what drove these characters. What they wanted and why they couldn’t have it. It starts with Dean being mad at Sam for not looking for him in purgatory, which sets up the whole speech in the s8 finale of Sam’s guilt about letting Dean down, but the thing is, Dean was never honest with Sam about his year away either. He never told Sam he could have gotten out much sooner if he hadn’t stayed to find Cas. I mean Dean had assumed Sam was up there alone doing God knows what to try to bring him back, and yet still he stayed in Purgatory because things were clear there. He needed Cas. Anyway, I just find that interesting, but Cas isn’t a victim of Sam and Dean’s relationship in s8.
Who gets the honour of being cast aside? That would be Benny and Amelia, two characters they introduced in s8 specifically to highlight that Sam and Dean’s relationship doesn’t allow for anyone else to be a significant part of their life. I mean that’s nothing new, we’ve watched that happen many times before. Lisa even said as much to Dean. The thing is this time? It’s framed as a truly sad thing. That moment at the end of 8x10 when Dean has just ended things with Benny and Sam leaves Amelia, and they’re sitting alone drinking beer and watching tv is such a hollow empty moment. This is not what they want. But it’s the way things have to be.
I’m actually fascinated by Sam and Dean’s conversation in the church in the s8 finale. Not so much Dean’s assertion that there is no one else he would put before Sam, but more so what provokes it, which is Sam saying “who are you going to turn to instead of me. Another angel? Another vampire?” See the thing is Dean saying he would always put Sam first is not news. We know this and it’s not really an unhealthy statement in itself either. A lot of people would put their sibling above anything else, not less a sibling who you raised and is the most important person to you. But in this context? After what Sam said? It just highlights how unhealthy they are if Sam believes that Dean having other people in his life means he doesn’t love him enough. That he’s a disappointment to him. That’s so profoundly fucked up.
(Note, Dean tells Sam that he killed Benny for him but he doesn’t say anything about Cas. I think like I said before, this is because Cas and Dean’s relationship has largely existed out of the Sam and Dean stuff up to this point - Sam and Cas don’t even really have much of a relationship yet besides both of their connections to Dean.)
And then from here, things start getting steadily worse. But we also keep being shown how bad they are. Dean lying to Sam, taking away his free will by letting Gadreel possess him. Dean sending Cas away, Kevin dying. It’s all awful. The whole “there ain’t no me if there ain’t no you line” from 9x01 isn’t really said by Dean, it’s Gadreel, but that is how Dean feels. He does think that’s all he’s good for. And over the season we’re shown how much of himself and what he truly wants he’s had to give up because of his ingrained “Save Sammy” and “Sammy comes first” mentality. It’s always been this way for him. In 9x07 we see that he had found a happy home, a good father figure, and his first love, a first love might I add that he had to leave behind with no real explanation because Sam needed him, and Sam comes first.
I mean just one episode earlier we had him rushing out the door elated about seeing Cas and spending time with him, only for their time together to come to sad and melancholic end when Dean once again leaves Cas behind without any real explanation, because despite what he wants Sammy comes first. What he wants doesn’t matter.
See I think after the Gadreel stuff comes out is where the narrative starts to get a little wonky for me. You can clearly see that this was intended to be a shorter story that they ended up stretching out to a much longer one because of renewals. There’s also the fact that this is a formula show so they can’t necessarily be separated for longer than an episode or two. S10 is a rough one to get through at times, I think the themes still mostly hold up but it’s a rough one to get through.
S10 highlights all the connections that Dean has, Cas, Charlie, Crowley even, but Sam doesn’t really have those bonds in the same way.  For Sam it’s just Dean, so he goes down a reckless destructive “do anything to save Dean!” path and so many innocents pay the price, and ultimately with the release of The Darkness, the whole world.
They skirted right up to the edge of exploring just how toxic and dangerous their relationship had become in the season 10 finale.
DEAN: I let Rudy die. How was that not evil? I know what I am, Sam. But who were you when you drove that man to sell his soul... Or when you bullied Charlie into getting herself killed? And to what end? A..a good end? A just end? To remove the Mark no matter what the consequences? Sam, how is that not evil? I have this thing on my arm, and you're willing to let the Darkness into the world.
I can’t say evil is the right word, they were never evil, but they were wilfully blind to everything and everyone else when it came to saving each other. S10 tested my love for the show because after watching it, because there was certainly a feeling that the two of them had become the villains of this story. And don’t get me wrong, I didn’t have a problem with that, it’s just after 2 seasons of this I can’t say I had a lot of faith that this was going to be properly addressed or if we were going to keep going in circles around it. Keep being shown, it’s bad and then nothing much being done to fix it. Your mileage may vary on how it was handled, but I think s11 did a relatively ok job considering it wasn’t the end of the story, and the show needed to keep going.
See from Dean’s side a lot of the codependency rests on 1. His father’s orders to always save Sammy 2. His low self-esteem where he sees himself as nothing but a blunt instrument. 3. His guilt at not being able to perfectly fulfil every familial role in Sam’s life 4. His belief that no one could choose to love him but family has to love you. 5. The unhealthy example of what it should look like to love someone that he got from John. You give up everything but them.
For Sam (and honestly it’s not as clear for me as Dean’s side is so feel free to correct me/disagree on this) 1. Everytime he’s tried to leave and create his own life it’s never ended well. 2. His guilt over wanting freedom and a normal life when he was younger (I’m referring specifically to Stanford era here) 3. His guilt over everything Dean has given up for him. 4. John. 5. Jess.
Ultimately it all comes down to isolation. They both had to be everything to each other, and the deeper they got into this fight, the more people that they lost, the tighter they clung to this notion of family and brothers. I think s11 (and 11x23 in particular) was an important turning point, both for Sam and Dean’s relationship, as well as for them as individuals. Because they weren’t alone there anymore. Cas was there. Sam let Dean walk to his death. Of course, it would devastate him, but he knew it was what had to be done. And he didn’t walk out of that bar and go back to the bunker alone. He had Cas, he had someone who cared about him and wanted to help him and talk to him. Sure Dean asked Cas to take care of Sam for him (you know after Cas offered to walk to his death with him) but Sam let him. He let him be there for him. We didn’t get to see much before the BMOL showed up and blasted Cas away, but still, we saw enough.
I think that’s a significant difference to note why their relationship was different in the Dabb era. It wasn’t just them anymore. Cas was an important member of their family and given a level of importance he’d never been given before and couldn’t have been when the story they were telling was of the dangers of their codependency. Mary was back. Eventually, Jack would become a part of their unit too. Just the two of them wasn’t enough for them anymore. This is made abundantly clear with all of Dean’s desperate attempts to get Cas to stay in s12, followed by his inability to keep going when they lose Cas and Mary in s13. Similarly, Sam really struggles when they lose Jack and fail to get Mary back later in the season.
Another big moment is Dean letting Sam go alone to lead the hunters against the BMOL in 12x22 while he stays back to try and reach Mary. Like he tells Mary, he’s had to be a brother, a father and a mother to Sam and he never stopped seeing him as his kid, but in that moment he makes a choice. He lets Sam take charge and he shows that he trusts him and believes in him. He knows he can handle it.
Sometimes it’s not even a character growth thing. Sometimes having other people there stops you from making destructive choices even though that’s still your first instinct. I’m thinking specifically of 13x21 after Sam was killed. Dean would have run headlong into that nest of vampires and got himself torn apart, but Cas was there to stop him. He was able to make him see reason.
Basically, I think that for a long time, they thought the only relationship they could have was each other, which then became a self-fulfilling prophecy because their desperate attempts to keep each other around led to them losing the people around them. They eventually started to learn that that wasn’t true, they could have more, they were allowed to want more, and that it wasn’t an either-or situation. Dean didn’t have to choose between Sam and Cas. They didn’t have to choose between each other or Jack. The same goes for Mary. Different relationships can coexist without threatening each other, and not say that their relationship in s12-15 was all smooth sailing, but it was certainly so very different from everything that came before.
(There’s maybe a point to be made about how they didn’t have anyone or anything in the finale and how that relates to the story we got, but honestly I have no idea what the intention was with any of the choices made in that episode so I’ll leave it at that for now.)
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four.
There are voices coming from the kitchen. 
Dean notices this when he gets up to go to the bathroom at five fucking am, because he can’t just drink beer and relax anymore (getting older is the pits). Dean’s intent on getting back into his warm bed, where Cas is still asleep (and probably hogging all the damn blankets) when he hears said voices--it sounds like Claire and Jack.
Jody, Donna, and the girls got here yesterday, and were supposed to stay with Sam and Eileen until Jack insisted that Claire stay at Dean and Cas’s. They’ve instantly become thicker than thieves, which Dean thinks is a little bit dangerous.
“Now you can’t tell Dean I gave you this, because he’ll think it’s unsafe or whatever.” That’s Claire, and Dean wonders what, exactly, she’s up to. Trying to corrupt his four-year-old, probably.
Four-year-old. Damn.
Dean’s emotions sometimes come fast, like a riptide, and at the asscrack of dawn he’s a lot more vulnerable. It’s hard to believe that Jack is four, even harder to believe that Jack is four and wants to live in his house (his house) and chat up his sorta-sister in the kitchen and trust Dean to plan his birthday party.
“He won’t mind and I don’t think Sam will, either,” comes Jack’s reply, “But Cas’ll say I can’t have it.”
Dean chooses that moment to come into the kitchen and see why his kinda-kids are having a party at five in the morning. “I’ll see if I can put a good word in,” he says, reaching out to ruffle Jack’s hair.
“You’re not supposed to be awake,” Claire says accusatorially and Dean returns her eye-roll with a matching one.
(Cas would say it was immature, if he was here.)
“Well,” Dean replies, “There were some people making a bunch of noise.”
“We were very quiet,” Jack says. “Claire was giving me this knife.” He holds up a utility knife, much like the one Dean remembers having when he was a teenager, and it makes him nearly chuckle that Claire gave someone with the ability to smite things a knife, but Jack looks so damn happy about it.
So Dean clears his throat. “Happy birthday, kiddo.”
“Technically,” Jack says, “I was born at night. So it’s not my birthday yet.”
“What, should we move your party? Cancel it entirely?”
Jack frowns. “Don’t do that.”
“I’m just kidding.” Dean pulls Jack towards him into a one-armed hug. “Don’t do anything dangerous, okay?”
“Weird warning,” Claire mutters.
“I’m giving it,” Dean says, “Because I’m going back to bed. I expect to see you two again at eight, and I expect the house to still be intact. You mess with Cas’s mug collection and we’re gonna have a problem.”
“Oh, we’re definitely waking you up earlier,” she says.
“You can only do that if you wake up Cas, too.” 
“Deal.”
Dean watches Claire and Jack make twin grins at him, and then heads out of the kitchen with a slight shudder. He definitely needs to keep an eye on them during Jack’s party later today.
The mattress sags slightly as he climbs back into it, and Cas rolls over, batting at Dean sleepily as he lays back down.
“Where’d you go?” he asks, voice fuzzy.
“Bathroom,” Dean replies, snagging Cas’s waist and pulling him in close. “We’ve got a few more hours.”
(He decides to keep Jack’s new knife a secret.)
Dean drifts off to visions of what the rest of the day will be like--Jack, who is essentially a preschooler despite being fully adult-sized, will try to find space in Dean and Cas’s bed while Claire stands in the doorway and laughs. There’ll be a big party with all of Jack’s friends and family (well, the family that counts), enough cake to feed an army (Jack couldn’t pick a flavor so Dean made......several), and at least four magical fiascos. It wouldn’t be his family if all of those things weren't included, and it hits Dean suddenly that he's way too fucking happy for the early hour.
Well, having something to celebrate will do that to a man.
And Jack is four. That’s sure as hell something worth celebrating.
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